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 |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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1 edit | Re: I want said by fifty nine:I want one that does data as well so I can have 3G coverage in my house for my blackberry. I believe the femtocell will provide both voice and data services just like a regular cell tower does.
P.S.> does your model of Blackberry have WiFi? If it does, you would be better off using the WiFi router in your home for data access and would get better speeds and would avoid any bandwidth caps AT&T may put on you, if any, thru this new service.
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| |  NOCManMacChatterPremium
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO | Femtocells will offload internet traffic directly to the internet, any traffic that needs to go through AT&T will go to AT&T.
If they employ spit tunnels. | |
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| | | | said by Romney2012:P.S.> does your model of Blackberry have WiFi? If it does, you would be better off using the WiFi router in your home for data access and would get better speeds and would avoid any bandwidth caps AT&T may put on you, if any, thru this new service. My BB is an 8700 which I get courtesy of my job. No wi-fi in that model, otherwise I'd have just used that.
I don't care about caps and overages. This is going to be used strictly for e-mail, and more precisely only important, urgent emails that I absolutely have to get at home.
I don't even need 3G for that matter. I just need data service in my house, from AT&T | |
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1 edit | It would have to have data if it transmits an AT&T 3G signal.
AT&T's 3G network is UMTS/HSDPA. Even with just UMTS you have 384 Kbps of data built-in. If it can support HSDPA, it can do several Mbps if your broadband can.
Of course, AT&T could just deny the data portion altogether.. but technically, I don't see why or how they could. | |
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| Re: I want said by SterlingJ85:Of course, AT&T most likely will just deny the data portion altogether.. I don't see why would, but knowing AT&T they will do whatever hurts the customer and fills their coffers faster. Fixed your misstatement for you.
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But, very true! | |
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| quatrixPremium
join:2005-02-11
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kudos:2 | If you're at home anyway, why not just use your computer instead of a tiny BlackBerry? | |
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| | | | Re: I want said by quatrix:If you're at home anyway, why not just use your computer instead of a tiny BlackBerry? My blackberry is used for work to page me and I often don't get a signal at home. With the femtocell I will be able to have blackberry coverage in my house. | |
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join:2000-10-07 | Re: I want also the crackberry is attached to his hands at all times now. It was an outpatient procedure, covered by his insurance actually. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I want said by mob:also the crackberry is attached to his hands at all times now. It was an outpatient procedure, covered by his insurance actually. Not exactly. I just want to know when shit goes down at work and they're trying to reach me on a company issued blackberry. I spend little time on my bb otherwise. | |
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join:2001-08-18
Frisco, TX
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| I'd like to try one of these... AT&T coverage in my house can be a little spotty, so I'd love to try one of these femtocells. $100 doesn't sound like a bad price point.
Forgive my ignorance of the tech, but are AT&T's femtocells of any benefit if you are still using a 2G phone? Or do they only work with 3G phones? I notice only 3G phones were mentioned in the AT&T statement.
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1 edit | I like it I see this as a logical progression of the cell phone. People replaced home phones with cell phones because they're move convenient and offer more for the money. That being said, they still spend most their time at home. I'd bring in a femtocell if the provider offered unlimited voice/data while on my home network. They get to offload traffic from their backhaul and I get unlimited service which should be reliable as the "tower" is in my basement.
I work from home a lot and have a personal Verizon cell phone and a work-issued BlackBerry. I get fairly good service but they could be better. I don't have a home phone and having a femtocell would be nice to improve those monotonous conference calls about conference calls. I wonder what happens when Joe Blow (plumber/six pack/schmoe) gets one and he's trying to talk on the phone while his kids are downloading movies from the internet? I would envision them needing to explain quality of service to people a lot.
Finally, how do the providers feel about this? With the exception of Verizon, I don't think any really have their own cell phone division. How will they feel about their "tubes" being used to carry another company's service?
AT&T, if you're looking for someone to test it out I'd like to throw my name out there for consideration! 
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| | | Re: I like it said by mlong:I would envision them needing to explain quality of service to people a lot. Finally, how do the providers feel about this? With the exception of Verizon, I don't think any really have their own cell phone division. How will they feel about their "tubes" being used to carry another company's service? It would come with the same QoS issues as VOIP, so this is nothing new.
I think the ISP's like it when internet services are used because it means you're less likely to cancel their service. | |
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|  KoolMoeAw ManPremium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD | I like the concept.
I don't like that they're charging for the device and not giving any cap lift when they're offloading data from their network onto my internet connection.
What happens if ISPs start charging 'per byte'? Now I gotta pay even MORE for offloading my cell call to my internet connection since that data will increase...
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|  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| said by mlong:Finally, how do the providers feel about this? With the exception of Verizon, I don't think any really have their own cell phone division. How will they feel about their "tubes" being used to carry another company's service? They will feel the same way Verizon feels about Google leeching off FiOS but tough. | |
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1 edit | Why not? I think this should be the standard for all cell providers including Verizon, especially if you could use it in home with no charges or maybe a small monthly charge it would be well worth it(I take that last part back aobut the small monthly charge i pay enough to Verizon). I am a big fan of the Femtocells sign me up STAT!!! | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Why not? Spring has been doing this for awhile with Airave. Unfortunately 1xRTT only for data last I checked. Slightly expensive, too, considering what you can get on Sprint by way of unlimited calling. But that's just me, a person who has excellent coverage in both his apartment and his family'splace back home...and who wouldn't trust his family's internet connection farther than he could throw it. | |
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| | Similar to UMA Couldn't ATT just allow the cellphones to connect to UMA via WiFi just like TMobile? I feel that using UMA is easier for the user as not extra equipment is needed. I also think UMA is awesome since I can just connect to any open WiFi where I do not have any cellphone signal and voila I can make crystal clear calls. Also with UMA I get wifi speeds on my blackberry.
So in other words what would be the advantage of a femtocell compared to the existing UMA, besides the bigger phone selection.
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| | | Re: Similar to UMA Bigger phone selection is the primary advantage, not only for the carrier but also for the customer. Very few phone support UMA, which would negate the main advantage of GSM: namely, the ability to use whatever phone you like on your account. | |
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| | Is 3g data free over this? Will your cap still apply to it's Is 3g data free over this? Will your cap still apply to it's use? | |
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| Re: Is 3g data free over this? Will your cap still apply to it's said by Joe12345678:Is 3g data free over this? Will your cap still apply to it's use? My guess would be that the caps still apply.
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In the short term, however, it will be a challenge to get customers to adopt these new femtocells, and more importantly to get people to trust them before they start charging. If I were getting one now, I'd definitely be asking whether it would slow down my home internet speeds and if my neighbors would be able to piggyback off of my signal or if it would just be mine(I paid the $100 dollars right?)
This could in the long run lead to the elimination of cell towers completely with the burden of powering the network left to the consumers. It could also allow phone providers to monopolize areas(if say Buffalo, NY got AT&T femtocells in a majority of the city early on, competitors would have
SEVERE barriers to entry in that area).
Bottom line is this technology is a game changer for any company who develops it to the fullest of its potential. | |
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | Hello Caps? Sad state we live in. All this wonderful technology, but you're capped in doing so. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Hello Caps? said by Rally:Sad state we live in. All this wonderful technology, but you're capped in doing so. Agreed..
However, I'll open this one up..
CAPS - bad..
Overage Charges - acceptable
NO ISP should be able to cap and discontinue service to ANY customer at any time. I DO, however, support the pay-to-play model.
A customer has the right to data, in my view, but the ISP has a right to protect their assets. The goal is, however, to define what an "average" or (god forbid I say this one) "reasonable amount" of use and then define what it costs over and above.
I mean, cutting someone's account for legit purposes is wrong, I will agree. But, you also can't be allowed to consume anything you want with out a cost burden for doing so.. and those who P2P, run servers, download anything they can like they're on "Million Dollar Shopping Spree, the Prime Time Event" should have to pay too.
The sad thing, however, is that human beings will never all agree on something called "fair".. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Re: Hello Caps? said by fiberguy:The sad thing, however, is that human beings will never all agree on something called "fair".. Very true. I disagreed with almost everything in your post.  | |
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join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| they are neat... A friend has one through Sprint, connected to DSL.
Far as I know, all he had to do was open a few ports (on his router) and it works great. No stutter even while downloading things on the PC.
Only downside is that it will only allow Sprint phones. When I visited last, I still had a couple bars on my phone, but his Sprint phone was, of course, seeing max signal.
These things, whatever technology they're using (CDMA, for instance), should allow other users to hop on. Kind of unfair to lock them into specific carriers... If I can roam on Sprint's "real" towers, why not on their micro towers??? CDMA through Sprint isn't THAT much different than others, is it??? ...I admit, I do not know off the top of my head...
The biggest downside I can see with this is the extra radiation - how long before people start complaining about more cell radio waves causing cancer, killing people, or leading to deafness/blindness/dumbness  | |
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Washington, DC Reviews:
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| Re: I'd do it if... said by ISurfTooMuch:...it allowed me to lower my plan from FT 700 to FT 550 and there was either no recurring monthly cost or a very small one. I don't use all the minutes I have, so the ability to lower my cost would really help me out. I can justify the $100 cost of the hardware, since I'd save that money over a few months. I don't think the minutes are free just because it goes over the femtocell | |
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join:2005-02-20
Apopka, FL Reviews:
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| Re: Also being done by other companies I've had the Airave service since it was initially offered to the general public back in 2008 (I think it was October?).
I have the Samsung device and it was $100.
You pay $5 for the Airave service, however any phone on your family plan can use the Airave device and any Sprint phone for that matter as long as you don't have the Airave locked down to only allow certain cell #'s. I have mine locked down to only allow certain numbers. I'm not sharing my HSI bandwidth with anyone, so the Airave is locked down.
If another Sprint user's phone near my apartment winds up camping on my Airave device and attempts to place a call, they'll get a recording saying "You are in an Airave coverage area, please leave the Airave coverage area to make a call...." - I'm sure 911 calls would be allowed, however.
Only 3 calls can be placed at a time on the Airave, however I believe there is no limitation as to how many Sprint CDMA phones can camp on the Airave device.
If you do not add the $20/mo option for unlimited calling any calls placed on the Airave will be taken from your allotted monthly minutes, Nights/Weekends/M2M are of course free w/o the $20/mo unlimited option.
I used to have the $20/mo unlimited option, but about 90% of the calls made are to other Sprint phones and I have the 1500 min family plan with Sprint, so I ditched the unlimited feature and still hardly put a dent in my family plan minutes every month.
As for data services. My CrackBerry will latch on the weak native PCS Sprint EVDO network when I'm within my Airave's coverage area. All 3 phones on my family plan are 3G, so they have the same behavior.
If I initiate a voice call on the Airave (you hear a tone when you place a call to let you know the call is being placed via the Airave) and if I leave my apartment to go to my car, I hear another tone letting me know the call has been handed off to the terrestrial cell network. The handoffs do not work in the other direction, however....
All in all Sprint's femtocell service is awesome, incl. the 25% discount I get off of my Sprint services because of my employer. | |
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Leicester, MA | Awesome! Let's make up for the lack of well-placed cell towers by having paying customers essentially put up their own ... and use transport that said customers pay for ... and we'll charge them for it to boot. | |
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 scotsAre we there yet??Premium
join:1999-12-06
Raleigh, NC
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| Sign me up! Would love to try this out. My house is two stories. Outside I can get a full signal most of the time. In the house I usually get a pretty good signal on the second floor, but on the ground floor signal is abysmal...especially in the kitchen. If this would give me a better signal on the ground floor of my house I'd be all about signing up for this and going cell-only. | |
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Greer, SC | ATT playing catch-up to T-Mobile? Hasn't T-Mobile been offering this for awhile? | |
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join:2004-01-16
Indianapolis, IN | Do we have to use it at home? could we take the box on the road and attach wherever we are, across the country, across the world? how would they know where the box is attached? | |
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join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 | caps so.. offload their towers... use up your soon to be capped (( low caps to top it off )) dsl... Damn, double profit for ATT the death star their way, not yours...
Thought technology was supposed to get better/more effecient? | |
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| eakenn
join:2005-02-20
Apopka, FL | Re: caps"Damn, double profit for ATT the death star their way, not yours..."
AT&T...Your World Destroyed... | |
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More about my situation in case folks have comments:
I have abysmal AT&T coverage at home. I want to stick with AT&T coz they are the best GSM provider nationwide in terms of coverage. I want GSM coz I buy my own unlocked phones which I use worldwide. I am signed up for pre-paid coz I can't abide the roguery of contracts -- if AT&T sucks too much I'd like to switch to T-mobile (which is another can of worms, I guess).
I think femtocells are a great idea -- as long as the dudes don't get too greedy. As someone pointed out, if one has a femotcell one is actually doing them a favor, especially if one allows any nearby AT&T phone to go through it.
I'd pay $100 for the unit (even though its a ripoff) if there is no additional ongoing charge.
BayAreaCheapo
PS: By the way, I just got back after living 3 years abroad in Asia -- I had crisp 100% signal all the time and lived with my cell phone as a primary thing. I loved the fact that incoming calls and SMS were free -- it really makes for the right kind of behavior and SMS is used very extensively. In terms of coverage, pricing structures etc I must say its like going back to the 20th century to come back stateside -- and to Silicon Valley, no less!! | |
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