 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Hmmm... How much did 4chan.org pay AT&T for this publicity? -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|
 |  | | Re: Hmmm... probably not a cent. its too sweet of a deal for them. | |
|
 |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Hmmm... said by John McClane:probably not a cent. its too sweet of a deal for them. I must be getting cynical. I must admit that prior to this story I'd never heard of this website.
While I don't have any evidence to back up this assertion, I've come to believe that the saying "you can't buy this type of publicity" isn't really that true anymore. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|
 |  |  |  | | Re: Hmmm... 4chan did not buy publicity to reach the likes of you. | |
|
 |  |  |  | | I had heard of it but figured it was on the same level of crap as Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Hmmm... no. 4chan (especially /b/) is far below the likes of social networking sites. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Hmmm... said by John McClane:no. 4chan (especially /b/) is far below the likes of social networking sites. I saw what you did thar! | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  a333A hot cup of integrals please join:2007-06-12 Rego Park, NY | LOL!!!! I love /b/ !!! | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Re: Hmmm... said by a333:LOL!!!! I love /b/ !!! Personally, I can't look at it for more than 5 minutes without thinking that some of my brain cells have just died.
I'm glad people enjoy it, but it's not for me. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth, or by misleading the innocent. --Spock and McCoy stardate 5029.5 | |
|
 |  |
 |  |  |
 |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |
 |  |  |
 |  |  |  |
 |  |  CorydonCultivant son jardinPremium join:2008-02-18 Denver, CO | I'd say that the underlying assumption, that we need some kind of net neutrality, is sound regardless of the reasons for the temporary "ban".
Last night, AT&T demonstrated that they can block access to a particular site and that, under certain circumstances (whatever those may be), they are willing to block access to certain sites.
In this case, apparently 4chan was blocked because it was the target of an ongoing DDOS attack. Well what kind of message does that send to attackers? That if they make life hard enough for a big enough ISP, they actually do have the power to shut down access to their targeted site?
That's a recipe to guarantee that these attacks continue and, if anything, get worse. Who do the script kiddies target next? The RNC? The White House? AT&T just set a bad precedent. -- "Religion allows people who would otherwise be arguing about whether the Death Star could beat a Borg Cube to have a place of respect within society." | |
|
 |  |  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Re: Hmmm... said by Corydon:I'd say that the underlying assumption, that we need some kind of net neutrality, is sound regardless of the reasons for the temporary "ban". Last night, AT&T demonstrated that they can block access to a particular site and that, under certain circumstances (whatever those may be), they are willing to block access to certain sites. In this case, apparently 4chan was blocked because it was the target of an ongoing DDOS attack. Well what kind of message does that send to attackers? That if they make life hard enough for a big enough ISP, they actually do have the power to shut down access to their targeted site? That's a recipe to guarantee that these attacks continue and, if anything, get worse. Who do the script kiddies target next? The RNC? The White House? AT&T just set a bad precedent. I don't see it that way. The site is back up - probably after AT&T & the web site putting mitigation measures in place to blunt the effect of the DDOS attacks. A reasonable response to what occurred. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|
 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Hmmm... it does not matter why they blocked it. the point is is that they proved they have the means to do it and are willing to do it. net neutrality takes that job away from them. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Hmmm... Not if they claim the offender is attacking their network or their customers. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |
 |  |  |  |  |  |  SLDPremium join:2002-04-17 San Francisco, CA | Re: Hmmm... Whoh....nice bitch-slap, man! | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  | | AT&T is my dumb pipe, i wish that they would stay that way. | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  DennisPremium,Mod join:2001-01-26 Algonquin, IL kudos:4 Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse Host: Chicago Users find Hot Deals Users find Hot Dea.. Requests for Hot D.. Home Improvement
| Re: Hmmm... said by John McClane:AT&T is my dumb pipe, i wish that they would stay that way. I agree...at least in theory.
AT&T is not now, nor has it been since 2003 a dumb pipe. They currently block ports 135, 139 and 445. They've also started blocking port 25 to cut down on spammers. None of these ports have met with any resistance because it was generally accepted that it was to protect the end user.
When an ISP changes the way IP's route for a specific situation (such as this) it is usually alway to mitigate a negative situation. They do it all the time the only difference this time is a group of people noticed and complained.
If every ISP was only a dump pipe (which again in theory I agree with) then the internet would be basically unusable. DDoS attacks, man in the middle and good old fashioned UDP packets of death would run rampant and we'd all still be on AOL 3.0.
There needs to be a balance between protection and nurturing...almost like being a good parent. That's going to be a difficult balance for any ISP. -- My Blog. Because I desperately need the acknowledgement of others.
Visit the Judd Family website to see my kids! | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | said by John McClane:it does not matter why they blocked it. the point is is that they proved they have the means to do it and are willing to do it. net neutrality takes that job away from them. I think that 4chan was the focus of a DDOS attack and the node was, innocently, sending back ACKs to the forged SYNs it received. If true, that's a good enough reason for AT&T to null route that IP and it's not a Network Neutrality issue at all. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth, or by misleading the innocent. --Spock and McCoy stardate 5029.5 | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |  |  dynodbPremium,VIP join:2004-04-21 Minneapolis, MN | Re: Hmmm... Right, because the kiddies at 4chan would never, ever be involved in perpetrating a DoS attack  | |
|
 |  |  Reviews:
·Insight Communic..
| Umm, who cares what anyone at DailyKOS has to say anyway? I hate that site, lol
Worse than 4chan even, lol | |
|
 |  |  |  |
 |  | | Well, AT&T blocked MySpace once blaming a "router issue." Even MySpace said it was an AT&T issue and they were working with AT&T. Funny, however, once Murdoch bought MySpace, no issues again.
It does raise the specter of AT&T blocking websites in the "public interest."
I don't know the truth so perhaps AT&T should publish it with facts to support it. | |
|
 |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Hmmm... said by cameronsfx:I don't know the truth so perhaps AT&T should publish it with facts to support it. There is legal precedent that would allow for AT&T to be punished for blocking any website. I would refer to the case of one DSL provider blocking access to VOIP providers a few years back (the details escape me).
Furthermore, I would imagine that AT&T probably does not want to play the role of content police. Blocking access to certain parts of certain websites would most likely result in AT&T losing "common carrier" status with regard to its Internet network. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|
 |  |  |  | | Re: Hmmm... said by pnh102:said by cameronsfx:I don't know the truth so perhaps AT&T should publish it with facts to support it. There is legal precedent that would allow for AT&T to be punished for blocking any website. I would refer to the case of one DSL provider blocking access to VOIP providers a few years back (the details escape me). Furthermore, I would imagine that AT&T probably does not want to play the role of content police. Blocking access to certain parts of certain websites would most likely result in AT&T losing "common carrier" status with regard to its Internet network. Hmm....I care if AT&T loses common carrier status? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
|
 |  |  |  |  |
 |  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ | Uh... They didn't pay anything. In fact, that'd be breaking the rules as a matter of fact.
I'm just glad AT&T went and fixed this before things got too out of hand. Backlash is probably still coming though.
I read that thread last night as this was taking off and agree with the one guy who asks if anybody's ever heard of spoofed headers. Why the hell would 4chan be DDoSing itself? This is a completely clueless statement made by AT&T to admit wrongdoing; it's their way of covering their a**es before the cogs of the internet hate machine got fully spinning. Perhaps wise, but unwise of them to not admit wrongdoing and instead mutter something about DDoS and ARP and reliability that doesn't make sense. -- "Some people never see the light till it shines thru bullet holes." -Bruce Cockburn
I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam: 12900+ messages currently using 406 MB. | |
|
 |  |
 |  | | said by pnh102:How much did 4chan.org pay AT&T for this publicity? As some people say, "Who cares?"
Never been there, never will.
4Chan.org sounds like some group to promote Jackie Chan movies!  | |
|
 | | The internet hate machine will be watching.. This was really close AT&T.. almost too close according to a lot of pple.
Adi | |
|
 |  | | Re: The internet hate machine will be watching.. Indeed, be fearful, be very fearful, people, the ATT black helicopter fleet is loose. | |
|
 |  1 edit | said by adisor19:This was really close AT&T.. almost too close according to a lot of pple. Adi You rang? | |
|
 |
 |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Battle Plans ahh 4chan, a bunch of attention grabbing script kiddie noise makers.
i went there once to see what the big deal was, i wanted my 12 keystrokes and one click back. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
|
 |  |  Morac join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Re: Battle Plans said by Kearnstd:ahh 4chan, a bunch of attention grabbing script kiddie noise makers. i went there once to see what the big deal was, i wanted my 12 keystrokes and one click back. Love em or hate em they are still a force to be reckoned with.
A handful ants can be stepped on. Tens of thousands of ants can overrun a city. --
The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired. | |
|
 |  |  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | Re: Battle Plans said by Morac:said by Kearnstd:ahh 4chan, a bunch of attention grabbing script kiddie noise makers. i went there once to see what the big deal was, i wanted my 12 keystrokes and one click back. Love em or hate em they are still a force to be reckoned with. A handful ants can be stepped on. Tens of thousands of ants can overrun a city. why i spray the outside of my house with raid weekly 
q. -- "...if I in my north room dance naked, grotesquely before my mirror waving my shirt round my head and singing softly to myself..." | |
|
 |  |  StojkoPremium join:2007-10-20 St John's NL Reviews:
·voip.ms
·NBTel now Aliant
·FreePhoneLine
| said by Kearnstd:ahh 4chan, a bunch of attention grabbing script kiddie noise makers. i went there once to see what the big deal was, i wanted my 12 keystrokes and one click back. Same here.
I'm as much of a supporter of net neutrality as the next guy, but I wouldn't lose much sleep if my ISP blocked 4chan. | |
|
 |  |  | | said by Kearnstd:ahh 4chan, a bunch of attention grabbing script kiddie noise makers. i went there once to see what the big deal was, i wanted my 12 keystrokes and one click back. No, they're cartoon pr0n.  -- »Check this out! | |
|
 NOCManMacChatterPremium join:2004-09-30 Colorado Springs, CO | Explaining Why This was Blocked All mobile operators have a problem or bottleneck in thier network in terms of capacity. When phones are not transmitting data they're not using limited RF channel resources.
The problem is that tcp scans can wake up thousands of mobiles who now then try to register on the network and thus take up all available channels. So the solution to when this happens is that they block the offending ip in question usually on network edge routers.
I have no idea how intergrated AT&T's network is, but it suggests that the wireless and landline portions share a common network and thus blocks to protect the wireless side can impact landline broadband users. -- Play a Death Knight? www.theebonhold.com | |
|
 |  CorydonCultivant son jardinPremium join:2008-02-18 Denver, CO | Re: Explaining Why This was Blocked From what I was seeing last night, apparently AT&T's mobile network was not affected, just DSL customers. | |
|
 |  |  NOCManMacChatterPremium join:2004-09-30 Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Explaining Why This was Blocked Which was why I questioned the outburst, the site is not exactly mobile friendly.
So if it was not the mobile network, I'm not sure why they'd block it. -- Play a Death Knight? www.theebonhold.com | |
|
 |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | This wasn't on AT&T Mobility. Just the former SBC DSL network. | |
|
 cho0b join:2006-09-26 united state | lol trust me.. moot doesn't have the money to get AT&T do plan some sort of publicity stunt for 4chan. | |
|
 | | What?! You mean that thousands of AT&T customers couldn't get express their "/b/tard'ism" (sic)? I didn't realize that was a bad thing.
Sarcasm Complete. | |
|
 |  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX | Re: What?! One of the tags in the Slashdot coverage of this story read: andnothingofvaluewaslost.
It has since been removed. -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
| |
|
 |
 |  fatnesssubtleJanitor join:2000-11-17 fishing kudos:13 Host: Bright House Netwo.. Earthlink DSL TekSavvy Forum Feature Requ.. Need Site Help
| Re: From what it looks like here: »www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/4chan/
Now 4chans founder, Moot, has admitted the whole thing was kind of his fault.
For the past three weeks, 4chan has been under a constant DDoS attack, Moot wrote in an afternoon update. We were able to filter this specific type of attack in a fashion that was more or less transparent to the end user.
Unfortunately, as an unintended consequence of the method used, some Internet users received errant traffic from one of our network switches. A handful happened to be AT&T customers. | |
|
 |  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Re: From what it looks like here: said by fatness:» www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/4chan/Now 4chans founder, Moot, has admitted the whole thing was kind of his fault.
For the past three weeks, 4chan has been under a constant DDoS attack, Moot wrote in an afternoon update. We were able to filter this specific type of attack in a fashion that was more or less transparent to the end user.
Unfortunately, as an unintended consequence of the method used, some Internet users received errant traffic from one of our network switches. A handful happened to be AT&T customers. This part of his statement brings in to question whether the jerks at 4Chan didn't engineer the mess themselves for the publicity: quote: Were glad to see this short-lived debacle has prompted renewed interest and debate over net neutrality and internet censorshiptwo very important issues that dont get nearly enough attentionso perhaps this was all just a blessing in disguise.
Aside from that, Ill also add that there is some big news due later this week. Keep an eye on the News page, Twitter, and global message for updates.
As always, I can be reached at moot@4chan.org.
-- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|
 |  |  |  |
 |  |  DavidI have a son- d3Premium,VIP join:2002-05-30 Granite City, IL kudos:68 Reviews:
·AT&T Southwest
·DIRECTV
·AT&T Midwest
·Google Voice
| said by fatness:» www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/4chan/Now 4chans founder, Moot, has admitted the whole thing was kind of his fault.
For the past three weeks, 4chan has been under a constant DDoS attack, Moot wrote in an afternoon update. We were able to filter this specific type of attack in a fashion that was more or less transparent to the end user.
Unfortunately, as an unintended consequence of the method used, some Internet users received errant traffic from one of our network switches. A handful happened to be AT&T customers. Surprise, surprise, surprise. -- If you have a topic in the direct forum please reply to it or a post of mine, I get a notification when you do this. Koetting Ford, Granite City, illinois... YOU'RE FIRED!!
| |
|
 |  |  | 
approval from: ThrowDemsOut 
| Re: From what it looks like here:
I never thought I would be saying this but I actually side with AT&T here ! Don't get me wrong AT&T has done some pretty shady things in the past. I believe the network engineers involved acted responsibly and did what was necessary to protect the quality of service for its customers. 4chan has admitted that malicious traffic was coming from its network but downplayed the amount of traffic. It has also been shown that other network providers have blocked the site temporarily. I highly doubt that 4chans hands are clean in this matter due to the subject nature discussed on the website. | |
|
 Duramax08A Challenger AppearsPremium join:2008-08-03 San Antonio, TX | If you read this....... you just lost THE GAME. -- OM NOM NOM | |
|
 |  | | Re: If you read this....... i raged | |
|
 |  C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium join:2001-10-03 Davenport, FL | Oh goddamn it.  | |
|
 | | Considering the content that's on 4chan..... I'm surprised that BBR is even mentioning their name because there probably are members under the age of 18 that read this site. -- »Check this out! | |
|
 |  |
 xdeadhead220, 221, Whatever It Takes.Premium join:2000-11-08 Mechanicsburg, PA Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Comcast
2 edits | good news everyone! if you're reading this in my voice....you lose. | |
|
 |
|