AT&T, Microsoft, NBC Form Anti-Piracy Supergroup Lump illegal P2P in with viruses to push filter ideology... AT&T, Microsoft, Cisco, Viacom, and NBC Universal have joined forces to create a new lobbying coalition named "Arts & Labs," tasked with taking aim at piracy. The group is co-chaired by Mark McKinnon, former media advisor to the Bush and McCain campaigns, and Mike McCurry, who until last week was Chairman for the telecom-industry funded anti-net-neutrality group "Hands Off The Internet." McCurry outlines the group's purpose in today's press release: "We want consumers to have exponentially greater opportunities to access creative content in a variety of formats, and with confidence that they are safe from viruses, hackers, malware, illegal file trafficking and other net pollution that puts them at risk," McCurry said. There's no doubt the kids need to be protected from all the free TV shows they could possibly eat, but Consumer group Public Knowledge has a different take. "Combining the power and influence of AT&T and the entertainment industry means only that both are going to wage an all-out war for the right to filter every bit of data anyone sends across the Internet," says Public Knowledge's Gigi Sohn. Public Knowledge did have one nice thing to say about the new coalition. "We are pleased to see that Verizon continues to resist the incessant and misguided pressure from the entertainment industry," says the group. Verizon has consistently been one of the only major incumbent ISPs who've been very wary about the inherent dangers in becoming Internet content babysitters. Not coincidentally, most of the new group's members strongly favor ISP filtering of pirated content and apparently, lumping this content in with spam and viruses is the opening salvo of a new PR campaign on this front. AT&T has already stated they're testing piracy filters, while NBC Universal has gone so far as to suggest that piracy filters should be embedded in home networking hardware, something Viacom also agrees with.
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| Re: Piracy will kill the internet No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer. | |
| | | | | Re: Piracy will kill the internet I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.
The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. | |
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| Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by ninjatutle:I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. This has little to do with piracy and all to do with a stranglehold on commerce. Their press release is missing some text.
"...also aims to ensure that artists, creators and innovators can safely share their works through new online distribution channels that we, and only we control and profit from, with confidence that their right to earn fair compensation for their creativity is respected."
"Co-chair Mike McCurry emphasized that consumers are the biggest beneficiaries in the Arts+Labs' vision. He then could no longer hold his composure and burst out laughing."
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| | | | | | said by ninjatutle:I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief?  | |
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| Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by stomp357:said by ninjatutle:I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief? You're joking right? You should have used a different emoticon. probably one that was winking. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by MrMaster:said by stomp357:said by ninjatutle:I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief? You're joking right? You should have used a different emoticon. probably one that was winking. Yes. Going by Ninjaturtle's opinion on how everyone's guilty of thievery for using P2P, his not wanting caps must mean he wants all that speed, & enormous data use to steal. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | said by MrMaster:said by stomp357:said by ninjatutle:I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. Why would you need more than what the caps provide? Anyone needing more than that is obviously a thief? You're joking right? You should have used a different emoticon. probably one that was winking. You either don't have aa clue about the subject or about ninja's well-known anti-consumer and pro-RIAA/MPAA troll stature - either way your posts are hilarious.
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| Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by kamm:You either don't have aa clue about the subject or about ninja's well-known anti-consumer and pro-RIAA/MPAA troll stature - either way your posts are hilarious. I have no idea who ninjaturtle is but if he truly believes in his troll statements then I feel sorry for the person for his lack of brain capacity. He must be having a rough time graduating third grade yet.
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Piracy will kill the internet Heaven forbids people actually pay for movies and music now | |
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| | | | | excuze me poster child for the MAFIA or paid shill of the MAFIA. there are ways legal way to download massive amounts of data. | |
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Tulsa, OK | First, the piracy filters. Then the "Hate speech" filters. Then the "Patriotic" filters.... then the "Damage the Economy" filters.
Pretty soon, you'll either be in "Kiddie-Fun-Zone" walled garden internet.... or else you'll be a 'Terrorist' in the "illegal black market internet..."
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| | | | | | | Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by KrK:First, the piracy filters. Then the "Hate speech" filters. Then the "Patriotic" filters.... then the "Damage the Economy" filters. Pretty soon, you'll either be in "Kiddie-Fun-Zone" walled garden internet.... or else you'll be a 'Terrorist' in the "illegal black market internet..." Walled garden internet? Don't give AOL executives any false hope. Shame on you
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Brooklyn, NY | said by ninjatutle:I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. Utterly irrelevant nonsense. | |
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Michigan City, IN | said by osubuck :
No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer.
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No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. <sarcasm>
Yah, exactly!
Artists and software programmers don't deserve to be compensated for their work. I say copy/distribute their work and starve 'em to death!</sarcasm> | |
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3 edits | Re: Piracy will kill the internet Except that they're not starving.
To the post above:
The only form of media that is being killed off is cd music because of a tyrannical business model. Software and movie sales are still rising, even with piracy being around every corner. Yes, it does hurt, but it's not making anyone go bankrupt, except for the music labels. But the artists are still able to profit large amounts of money by going on tour and self promotion through P2P and word of mouth. CD sales should completely die off, and the music should be freely distributed, and the Artist doing their own merchandise and touring to make money. If they are able to get out to millions of people, they don't need Epic Records swindling them out of 90%+ of the CD sales they generate. | |
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Chatsworth, CA | Long live P2P...
This group wont do squat to curb p2p, just another big waste of money. No anti-piracy organization will be able to stop the growth of P2P which is the millions if not more...
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Dallas, TX | Re: Piracy will kill the internet ninjatutle is a well known anti-piracy/p2p troll around here. It has already been demonstrated time after time that it is impossible to stop p2p in any way, shape, or form. Yet the MAFIAA which he and others of his ilk seem to support keep spending millions of dollars on so-called "technology" like Audible Magic's Copy Sense, only to have them fail epically and utterly.
Filters will not stop copyright infringement online, nor can they differentiate between "legal" and "pirated" content, no matter what anyone may say to the contrary.
And losses to the industry from p2p are a drop in the bucket compared to those from bootlegging, which is far more common.
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1 edit | Re: Piracy will kill the internet pretty much
and seeing how fast the net became accepted and then P2P
the law of excelrating returns says the what ever replaces P2P will become even bigger even faster
there for it this kind of stuff will never go away
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| said by Doctor Four: ninjatutle is a well known anti-piracy/p2p troll around here. It has already been demonstrated time after time that it is impossible to stop p2p in any way, shape, or form. Yet the MAFIAA which he and others of his ilk seem to support keep spending millions of dollars on so-called "technology" like Audible Magic's Copy Sense, only to have them fail epically and utterly. Filters will not stop copyright infringement online, nor can they differentiate between "legal" and "pirated" content, no matter what anyone may say to the contrary. And losses to the industry from p2p are a drop in the bucket compared to those from bootlegging, which is far more common. I love how people who have a differing opinion to what is popular is known as a troll. Is that just because they don't agree with your stance?
Oh, and since we are just throwing out opinions here....the losses to the industry from P2P are far worse than bootlegging. I know countless people who use P2P for software, music, games, and movies and don't spend a dime on these things in the stores. Bootlegging requires you to be in the right place at the right time to buy a physical product. Much easier to download and run. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Piracy will kill the internet A wise programmer once said, "don't worry when your software is pirated. Worry when it isn't." | |
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| Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by sivran:A wise programmer once said, "don't worry when your software is pirated. Worry when it isn't." Ha! That's awesome. Never heard that one. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by sivran:A wise programmer once said, "don't worry when your software is pirated. Worry when it isn't." i think this is very accurate, look at photoshop. great program and the piracy rates prove it.
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| | | | | said by chRoniX10:Long live P2P... This group wont do squat to curb p2p, just another big waste of money. No anti-piracy organization will be able to stop the growth of P2P which is the millions if not more... I agree.. I have used pirated software before (not going to mention what) but it was a few pieces of software that I could have never bought on my own and would have never learned how to use with getting a pirated copy..
After I learned said software I convinced my company to purchase and begin using this software.. We have many machines running this software now and the company who wrote it made alot of money.. | |
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| | | Thanks Pirates, the Internet was good thing afterall. | |
| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Elbonia | Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by ninjatutle:Piracy will kill the internet as we know it... said by KrK:No. Corporate greed will.
Well I try not to be so pessimistic, but it's threatening to.
If anyone doubts the parent post, look at the press release (again) and instead of the bits about piracy, notice the language. The whole concept of the internet assumed there is a totally commercial one. Citizens are called "consumers" and expected to pay for all the "content" they "consume", buying it from profit-oriented vendors. There is no room in this vision for any non-commercial communication, public interest, or non-exploitive human relationships.
Free market capitalism can produce good outcomes, but the for-profit corporation with legal status of a person and power to influence government is a toxin to society just as HIV or asbestos is to the body. They are sociopaths, and their press releases are always deceptive advertisements. A pretence of civic-minded motives on the part of a business is a sure sign of lying for profit. | |
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1 edit | Re: Piracy will kill the internet said by swhx7:If anyone doubts the parent post, look at the press release (again) and instead of the bits about piracy, notice the language. The whole concept of the internet assumed there is a totally commercial one. Citizens are called "consumers" and expected to pay for all the "content" they "consume", buying it from profit-oriented vendors. There is no room in this vision for any non-commercial communication, public interest, or non-exploitive human relationships. They are very very careful in their choice of language. Notice, they can't call it "Information" or "Data" because then they would be saying "We need to filter and block information" which is 100% what they are actually TRYING to do, but it sounds very, VERY bad (and well it would be) so they refer to it as "content". The Internet was never about "consumers" being spoon-fed the content they WANT you to see. That's what TV, radio, etc is for. The Internet has always been about networking and sharing. THE VERY ESSENCE OF A NETWORK IS TO SHARE DATA, FILES, INFORMATION. Sure, it can be used to provide entertainment, but that's only a secondary concern.
However, for some people, everything is always about money, and how much more of it they can get, by any means. If the Internet is becoming a medium in which content can be distributed and sold for profit, then they want not a share, but control over all... they want to be able to block competition, and ensure all such content comes through them. They wish to be the gatekeepers, holding all the keys to the Internet, controlling all access, and only allow people to proceed if they approve of, and can charge a suitable fee for, said access.
Free market capitalism can produce good outcomes, but the for-profit corporation with legal status of a person and power to influence government is a toxin to society just as HIV or asbestos is to the body. They are sociopaths, and their press releases are always deceptive advertisements. A pretence of civic-minded motives on the part of a business is a sure sign of lying for profit.
It's sure heading that way... and it appears they want to "upgrade" the toxicity to the level of oh, say ingesting Cyanide.
This brings up an interesting related issue; That of Metered billing or overage charges. Once such a model is in place, their goals will have been greatly advanced, as "Consumers" will now be paying for information.... no matter who created it. In effect they will be able to profit off the works of everyone out there, without having to compensate anyone. They will make money by forcing you to pay for access to information. Even information you don't want. Man, what a cash cow that could be. The Toll-boothes on the Internet. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Piracy will kill the internet Pretty funny stuff krk. For someone railing on about semantics you certainly chose your words carefully. "Filtering information" certainly sounds ominous, but a game or DVD or song isn't "information".
And part of your "essence of a network" is CONTROLLED access to those data, files, and information. For as long as computers have been hooked together there have been passwords and security restrictions. Anarchy doesn't end up being much fun for anyone. | |
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1 edit | Re: Piracy will kill the internet That doesn't change anything I said, however. The very purpose of a network is to share files, data, and information quickly and efficiently. I'm not calling for anarchy, but neither am I for a Quasi-Government/Corporation match made in hell vetting and deciding what citizens can or cannot access, post, read, download, or whatever.
We already have sweeping, far reaching, extremely punitive laws on the books about Copyright. We don't need a new public/private agency to "protect" their business interests by quashing us.
It's a very small step from "Piracy filters" to "Illegal Information" filters.
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Elbonia | said by ninjatutle:Re: Piracy will kill the internet as we know it...
Actually, what astute readers can infer from the article is that the value of the internet is in danger of being killed by anti-piracy efforts. | |
| | | | eh? its like saying myspace kills the internet | |
| | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Corporations will kill the internet not piracy.
they already want to fill our computers with rootkits just to play their latest games or music CDs. and if that rootkit DRM detects something it doesnt like it wont run the said game/media.(there is a class action suit against EA atm about spore having SecuROM spyware err rootkit drm.)
P2P is causing zero noticeable loss to the industry, when something good comes out people still pay(each of the LOTR movies made close to a billion in theater ticket sales, not counting DVD and Collector sets sales) ironicly it was also the most pirated movie when it came out.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | you remind me of the gun control people who think guns can only be used for crimes.
P2P has legal uses, 10 million people do one of those legal uses whenever World of Warcraft patches.
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| | | | How many got broadband for downloading music?
I suspect piracy created the internet as we know it. | |
| | | | | Re: Piracy will kill the internet I got broadband so that......wholesome pictures....didn't load one row of pixels every 5 seconds. | |
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Southfield, MI | I use it mainly for newsgroups and email and web browsing. Large bandwidth use from me is typically a torrent to a new Mandriva ISO. Or maybe Eclipse.. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | i smell a Photoshop tester!!! 
i think PS has to be #1 on the pirated list.
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| | I'm not scared I've been downloading stuff online for well over 10 years. It's just as easy now if not easier to get what I want when I want today as it was when this whole thing got started. I suspect it'll be just as easy for the next ten years.
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San Diego, CA | Re: I'm not scared hehe if it will kill the internet as we know it then so be it. That would be considered progress you know I'd rather have 10 years of unhindered internet free from fear of being sued/jailed due to my 10 year old son downloading a movie when i'm not watching then 100 years of crippled internet with fear written on it. | |
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| | Unworkable Filtering content is completely unworkable. People are already using encrypted VPN's to access corporate networks. What makes anyone think they won't be used to access pirated content if some ISP decides to try to filter it?
In fact, maybe all traffic needs to be encrypted. I don't support piracy, but I don't see any legitimate reason my ISP should be filtering my traffic in this way. And who's going to be responsible when such a system hits on false positives and blocks legitimate content? I can just hear the ISP's now. "We're really sorry about that, but you have to understand that nothing is perfect, and you're going to have to accept some inconvenience so that pirated content doesn't get through. And besides, what the entertainment industry wants is far more important to us that what you want...I mean, what the entertainment industry wants is for all users to have a safe and controlled...um, I mean secure Internet experience." | |
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| Re: Unworkable I wouldn't say completely unworkable, but you bring up interesting points.
The "oops, we blocked you and reported you to our corporate overlords, the FBI, and um, sorry we thought you were a filthy pirate" excuse seems destined to become more common.
This will no doubt ruin the lives of some innocent people.
Even worse than the lawsuits currently happening I'm sure.
Sadly, apologists fail to see what's wrong with that. The whole "I ain't got nuthin' to hide" crowd will probably be herded along with minimal fuss.
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kudos:2 | So now we have to worry about legit companys.. Sending out virus's and spam. WOW | |
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| Re: So now we have to worry about legit companys.. said by DaMaGeINC:Sending out virus's and spam. WOW Please read the article and get back to us. I thought the same thing reading the title, but thats not correct. | |
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| | The ISPs Agenda The major ISPs, in partnership with the Federal government, will water down and filter the Internet so much that it won't be worth the $81/month for a subscription. Grab all the music and porn now while you can. | |
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2 edits | They can't stop encryption. Heck, even if they can break the current means of encryption in P2P, then the P2P community will only use algorithms that are more and more difficult to crack.
Filters don't work (on anyone knowledgeable enough to get around them).
Give me TV shows that I don't have to buy at ridiculous prices and ages after they air, and that are not festering with advertisements, then MAYBE I'll consider not "pirating" shows. | |
| | | | Re: They can't stop encryption. From what I've heard/read, the DMCA more or less says you can't crack or tamper with encryption stuff. I've read several companies using (or thinking to use) the DMCA to sue people that have cracked/tampered/or whatever to their encryption scheme. Specifically, I've heard how some group is claim they have broken HDCP and have a paper written, but are unwilling to release because of the DMCA.
My idea, is why does the DMCA have to work only for the media giants and the MAFIA, can't we (the lowly buyers/users/etc.) figure out how to make the DMCA work for us? I'd sure love to see the day that the MAFIA is handed a DMCA notice for perhaps cracking/tampering with someone's encryption algorithm. I suppose it is time to pass the pipe now... | |
| | | | With encryption, there will always be an arms race, but, for the most part, the encryption programs will outpace those trying to crack it. HTTPS is hard enough to crack at 128 bits, and there's much more secure encryption tech than that out there. Hell, PGP was doing 1024 bits back in the '90s, I think, so let's see your average ISP try to crack that. Also, you can encrypt individual files, the data stream, or both. So, if someone transfers an encrypted file over an encrypted VPN connection, that will be next to impossible to analyze and filter. The only option would be to ban all encrypted traffic, and, not only would companies with employees using VPN's to connect remotely scream bloody murder, but all secure Web access would also be affected, and this would kill e-commerce.
There have been folks out there saying we need to encrypt all Internet traffic, and it seems they might finally get their way. And, from a security and privacy standpoint, I have to agree with them. | |
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| | Way to go Verizon Its funny how all the ISP's who are persuing to milk every last bit out of copper are the ones that are lobbying for p2p ban in conjunction with the film industry.
Verizon though knows, if somehow this lobby group gets its way and filters out all p2p traffic it wouldnt make sense anymore to deploy FIOS or provide fast speeds which they have an advantage at..
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| | | I failt to see how it's 'piracy' The shows are distributed OVER THE AIR FOR FREE! So what if I download an NBC show from a torrent site. It' not like they charged for it in the first place?
Let's be honest though. I haven't watched 'live' TV in YEARS. I had one of the first Tivo's and Replay TV (still have it), and I've never watched a commercial since then.
The ONLY commercials I've ever seen are when I'm watching football, and I always mute the TV anyway when a commercial comes on. In any case, downloading a TV show that was broadcast for FREE cannot be considered piracy, because, quite simply, they GAVE IT AWAY for free in the first place.
P2P will never go away. If the need arises, just download the TV shows in RAR format, so whatever 'filters' they use, just won't be able to catch it.
I have zero moral qualms about downloading all my TV shows, and I have a lot of them. Who are they to say what I can and cannot record (see: MS Media Center not allowing you to record TV shows). If it's broadcast, I'll get it, one way or another.
Hell, if they provided HIGH QUALITY rips of their tv shows with commercials from their web site, sure I'd download it from them. Of couse, I'd run it through a pre-processor to strip out all the commercials. I've got TONS of old tv shows, in near DVD quality (close enough), of OTA broadcasts saved on my server. Why in the world would they expect me to buy a copy of LOST on DVD, when I already RECORDED it and SAVED it?
As one of the other posters said, this is all about CONTROL. Control of what you watch. Control of making you pay again if you want to watch it again. Control of what devices you can watch it on, when and where you can watch it.
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kudos:2 | Re: I failt to see how it's 'piracy' What about all of the content not broadcast OTA for no cost? How does one go about justifying obtaining/using that content without consent or a license? | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Will NEVER work and why is simple Pirates will ALWAYS be able to circumvent the technology and the technology always creates headaches and restrictions for legit users. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Will NEVER work and why is simple The bane of all audio DRM: Audacity. | |
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| | | | Re: WTF! 2% of the people? Yeah right, more like 99% of the kidies online are doing it. So are the college kids. Kids today, no morals | |
| | | | | Re: WTF! said by ninjatutle:2% of the people? Yeah right, more like 99% of the kidies online are doing it. So are the college kids. Kids today, no morals LMAO - you're so incredibly misinformed/ignorant that you're a cliche of yourself. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | not that the record industry and their stooges are shining examples of Morals. they have no ground to talk about P2P.
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| | There is a reason I tell people not to sign up for uverse The UVERSE salesman going door to door in my neighborhood acted surprised that the AT&T CEO proposed internet content restrictions and agreed that unfettered access is preferrable for consumers.
The real qwestion is: why would AT&T make this decision? I don't undestand; I think they gain nothing. | |
| | pbarrowPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: There is a reason I tell people not to sign up for uverse said by dont make sense :
The UVERSE salesman going door to door in my neighborhood acted surprised that the AT&T CEO proposed internet content restrictions and agreed that unfettered access is preferrable for consumers.
The real qwestion is: why would AT&T make this decision? I don't undestand; I think they gain nothing.
Don't you get it? Most of the Telcos and Cable Cos are trying to control all access on the internet so you have to Pay for the amount of data you transfer and get a % of the things you buy over the internet all in addition to paying for Internet access.
That are not satisfied to get x$ a month for Internet Access - they want THEIR share in all the ecommerce too and charge for every possible thing that can get away with.
They are just another set of scumbags like those with the current crisis on Wall Street.
Capitalism need a new mean in Webster's Dictionary = the ability to get rich by screwing the American Citizens. | |
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Eugene, OR | Re: There is a reason I tell people not to sign up for uverse Americans are just faceless cattle, er I mean consumers.All we have to do is stop thinking we need all the crap they are selling and give them the finger, then things will change. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | ISPs want to control content because they all supply content. cable ISPs have their VOD services(which is probally the primary seller of their digital cable). AT&T and Verizon have their portals and contracts with major content providers. all the major broadband ISPs like to keep you under their umbrella because they get ad dollars from eyes looking at their site and not google's.
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| | Fascist MAFIAA goons.. quote:
"We want consumers to have exponentially greater opportunities to access creative content in a variety of formats, and with confidence that they are safe from viruses, hackers, malware, illegal file trafficking and other net pollution that puts them at risk," McCurry said.
I don't worry about viruses as I don't use Winblows. Nice try, MAFIAA guy. I know you would like to make it illegal to watch movies or listen to digital music on any OS other than Winblows, as is obvious with your partnership with M$.
And putting piracy filters in routers? LOL. That will be hacked by some hardware geek within the first week.
The truth is, MAFIAA guy, you will not stop people from doing what they want to do in the privacy of their homes. Therefore, I say **** you. Damn fascists. | |
| |  a333A hot cup of integrals please
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Rego Park, NY | Re: Fascist MAFIAA goons.. Have the people in hell started building snowmen yet......?? | |
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| | ohh big deal and some one will make a new killer app them filters will be worthless with. | |
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4 edits | Here's what they REALLY mean! From the movie "Network"
You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it, is that clear?! You think you have merely stopped a business deal - that is not the case! The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back. It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity, it is ecological balance. You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations! There are no peoples! There are no Russians! There are no Arabs! There are no Third Worlds! There is no West! There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-variate, multi-national dominion of dollars! Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds and shekels! It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic, and subatomic and galactic structure of things today. And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and you will atone!
Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT and T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon - those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state - Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories and mini-max solutions and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable by-laws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime, and our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you to preach this evangel, Mr. Beale.
Beale goes on the air and says:
Last night, I got up here and asked you people to stand up and fight for your heritage, and you did, and it was beautiful. Six million telegrams were received at the White House. The Arab takeover of CCA has been stopped. The people spoke, the people won. It was a radiant eruption of democracy. But I think that was it, fellas. That sort of thing is not likely to happen again. Because in the bottom of all our terrified souls, we know that democracy is a dying giant, a sick, sick dying, decaying political concept, writhing in its final pain. I don't mean that the United States is finished as a world power. The United States is the richest, the most powerful, the most advanced country in the world, light-years ahead of any other country. And I don't mean the Communists are gonna take over the world because the Communists are deader than we are. What is finished is the idea that this great country is dedicated to the freedom and flourishing of every individual in it. It's the individual that's finished. It's the single, solitary human being that's finished. It's every single one of you out there that's finished. Because this is no longer a nation of independent individuals. It's a nation of some two hundred odd million transistorized, deodorized, whiter-than-white, steel-belted bodies, totally unnecessary as human beings and as replaceable as piston rods. Well, the time has come to say, 'Is dehumanization such a bad word?' Because good or bad, that's what is so. The whole world is becoming humanoid, creatures that look human but aren't. The whole world, not just us. We're just the most advanced country, so we're getting there first. The whole world's people are becoming mass-produced, programmed, numbered, insensate things...
I think this says it all-and is especially approriate at this time of Republican corporate Wall Street greed almost ruining the country and then leaving us the taxpayer, voter and citizen (not to mention many future generations too!) to clean up their greedy MESS! | |
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Lodi, NJ | Re: Here's what they REALLY mean! said by qworster:I think this says it all-and is especially approriate at this time of Republican corporate Wall Street greed almost ruining the country and then leaving us the taxpayer, voter and citizen (not to mention many future generations too!) to clean up their greedy MESS! NEWSFLASH!!! This wasn't the Boogie man Repubs who got us here. 2005 when they were still in power and fannie and freddie were blowing up then. They tried to fix it then who stopped them...wait for it.. That's right those good old Dems. These people killed any reform then by killing it in committee. And what came of that both firms making even more bad mortgages to appease the CRA. Give me a break the Repubs are no saints by any means but this was something they tried to fix. | |
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4 edits | Re: Here's what they REALLY mean! NEWSFLASH!! It took YEARS...MANY MORE YEARS then the (less than) two years Democrats have been (barely) in control of Congress to plant the seeds that grew this awful plant! The Republicans had control of the Congress since early 1993 and TOTAL control of the Government from early 2001 until early 2007! The blame for this falls squarely in THEIR lap!
NEWSFLASH!! The reason we had the HUGE gas price increases we have was due to speculation in gas futures. Who FOUGHT for law changes to allow this? Oil man/President GEORGE W. BUSH! He doesn't give two $hit$ about any of us! All he cares about is fattening his and his buddies' wallets!
NEWSFLASH!! The Republicans are NOT out to help anyone but the most elite of their coven, and the sooner the rest of you realize this, the better off the REST of us will all be!
NEWSFLASH!! John McCain claims that he'll "shake things up in Washington". If you believe that, I've got a bridge in NYC I'll sell you-CHEAP! Do you really believe that he'll turn on his Republican buddies? Not gonna happen! It'll be business as usual there. Even worse, he was one of the CAUSES!
Ever hear of the Keating five? Read about it here:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
McCain was one of them! | |
| | | | | | Re: Here's what they REALLY mean! said by qworster:NEWSFLASH!! It took YEARS...MANY MORE YEARS then the (less than) two years Democrats have been (barely) in control of Congress to plant the seeds that grew this awful plant! I can appreciate the sentiment here, but there is nothing noticeably different between Gee Oh Pee white collar criminals and spineless Democrats as they both represent and profit from the same criminal corporate entitities. The Democrats are a just a spineless version of the Republicans.
Both parties want the same thing: Money and lots of it. Don't kid yourself into thinking that the Democrats are some kind of citizen-centric group. LMAO. The only citizens they concern themselves with have the letters "Inc." or "LLC" after its name. | |
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1 edit | Re: Here's what they REALLY mean! said by SilverSurfer1:said by qworster:NEWSFLASH!! It took YEARS...MANY MORE YEARS then the (less than) two years Democrats have been (barely) in control of Congress to plant the seeds that grew this awful plant! I can appreciate the sentiment here, but there is nothing noticeably different between Gee Oh Pee white collar criminals and spineless Democrats as they both represent and profit from the same criminal corporate entitities. The Democrats are a just a spineless version of the Republicans. Both parties want the same thing: Money and lots of it. Don't kid yourself into thinking that the Democrats are some kind of citizen-centric group. LMAO. The only citizens they concern themselves with have the letters "Inc." or "LLC" after its name. I agree with you-to a point...BUT there's no way in hell that the Republicans (the ones who GAVE us this mess in the first place) should be trusted to dig us out of it!
ANY change would be better then what we have now-and I'm sorry, but I am NOT convinced that John McCain represents any change whatsoever from what we have now AT ALL!
PS: Don't blame ME..I never voted for Bush! | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | said by mech1164:That's right those good old Dems. These people killed any reform then by killing it in committee. Bzzzt. Wrong guess. Set the "way back" Machine to 1994, and the Republicans sweeping into power in Congress... riding and waving their "Contract For America" like a baton.
And in that Contract were the seeds of this financial downfall. Deregulation was pushed heavily, and the removal of barriers that prevented financial firms like banks from owning stakes in say auditing firms, brokerage firms, insurance companies, etc etc etc all were happening.
"De-regulate the market!" was the Mantra. Well, the rules, safeguards, and oversights were indeed dropped or weakened... Now jump back to the future and SURPRISE look at the result.
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| | P2p, etc Well, the ISP that gets my money for slow 3mpbs internet is now wanting to play traffic cop with the packets I send and receive. AT&T, I warn you that with Caps and now this you are in the process of losing a customer who is currently happy with his service. If you tamper with it you WILL lose a customer and lose money from me. Think before you act. If you implement these filtering schemes its going to cost you more money and then your going to raise the price of my service to cover it of course. Why not just pass the packets on and let the RIAA/MPAA etc take care of themselves. They are already doing a good job of that. Also, I don't download illegal stuff (not in a VERY long time) and I do think that artists deserve to get paid for their work, etc. DON'T MESS WITH MY SERVICE. YOU WILL LOSE ANOTHER CUSTOMER. | |
| | | | Re: P2p, etc Who are you going to run to? Comcast? | |
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4 edits | There are alternatives It does seem that there is an all out war against piracy going on, and its bound to have some very negative effects on both piracy and normal Internet use. It's nice to know that even if they were successful in preventing illegal music downloads, there is another way to obtain mp3 files for free, and its quite legal: HD RadioPC is an automated system that records digital radio to high bitrate mp3 files. It can record several hundred mp3 files in a single day without user intervention. Imagine the time you would spend trying to locate and download even 100 mp3 files. Set it to run for an entire week and you have yourself quite an enormous music collection. | |
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| Bootleg If this ever gets really cranking, expect the Bootleg industry to make a big jump in sales and distribution. You thought worrying about container ships with trailers full of bootlegs getting into the US was an issue, wait till you see the boom in the bizz INSIDE the borders. | |
| | | Let's play Name That Party! Typical, article doesn't note that Mike McCurry ran Clinton's press office for most of the Slickster's adminsitration. | |
| | | Piracy Filters in Home Networking Hardware I could support that, but on one condition: The user would be able to turn the Piracy Filter on or off. So a parent who wants to make sure his kid won't share music via P2P can turn it on, but someone who doesn't care about the legal risks of share music via P2P* can turn it off.
I'm talking about sharing copyrighted songs without the copyright owners approval, of course. Sharing Public Domain songs or songs for which the content owner has granted permission to share are just fine.
And in the end, this is where a piracy filter will fail. There is no filter written that can know exactly what permissions have or have not been granted by the copyright owner of that incoming MP3 file, movie file, etc. Filters will either be completely ineffective (not blocking obvious avenues of piracy) or will have too many false positives.
So if someone wants to put their trust in a piracy filter, that's fine by me. I just don't want my Internet Connection being routed through someone else's idea of what constitutes piracy and what doesn't (especially of that someone is a big content provider with a motive to make things difficult for smaller, legitimate content providers).
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| | | super idiot group A) the entire bunch a them is gatherng together cause the rest of the world as we move on and explore culture and enjoy freedom they would take it away
they wish to make you pay pay pay.
THATS ALL.
Canada would save over 1.8 billion a year by tossing Microsoft from Government computers
OH does this tell you what your next version of windows will be like , better get supporting and using mac/linux today.
I give MS ten more years before it really starts to hemorage.
So what is google and ibm and SUN up to lately
maybe they should form with all the people and call it the citizens against stupid idiots that are too greedy and need a slap organization
be inventive come up with your own organizations | |
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