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join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| WTF?!?!? WTF ATT!?!?!
This Slingplayer for the iphone does more than just work on your stupid slow ass network. It can work on my home Wi-Fi net as well. Which is what I want it for.
So just block it off your shitty network and let it release to the Apple App store so we can use on home Wi-Fi nets.
Did I mention that you guys SUCK ATT?!?
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1 edit | Re: WTF?!?!? said by axiomatic  :WTF ATT!?!?! This Slingplayer for the iphone does more than just work on your stupid slow ass network. It can work on my home Wi-Fi net as well. Which is what I want it for. So just block it off your shitty network and let it release to the Apple App store so we can use on home Wi-Fi nets. Did I mention that you guys SUCK ATT?!? Pansies. R u kidding me? I have no problem with my HP Ipaq 910 watching videos and anything else on the network. Because its manufactured without AT&T having a say, that makes a big difference. Why do u think people dont bother with the Iphone upgrades? I can tether it and max out the tower speeds without an issue. | |
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join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
1 edit | Re: WTF?!?!? Was your reply for me? If so you missed the point. The point was that ATT blocking the sling app for their crap network is "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" because the sling client can be used on Wi-fi nets as well.
Why kill the whole app when only 1/4 of the app is a problem for ATT.
On top of that, you made my point for me, its anti-competitive to allow video on a HP Ipaq 910 and not allow it on an iphone.
Stay on topic please, your reply had nothing to do with "the price of rice in china." | |
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Baytown, TX | Can you say Anti-Competitive AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive | |
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive said by DarkLogix :AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive No, they are protecting their already overloaded network from going belly up. | |
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00000 | Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive Hardly. They just don't want people actually using the bandwidth they're paying for. | |
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive Where do you expect the bandwidth to come from?
Especially away from cities. It does not exists at this time.
To add additional bandwidth costs far more than you'd ever imagine.
One good idea would be to allow the App and have it not work on anything besides wifi. | |
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive I was referring the the subject at hand wireless data bandwidth on ATT's network(Iphone). It doesn't just appear from thin air. There is for now and probably much longer extreme difficulty and great cost in bringing bandwidth to cell sites outside cities.
Mobile broadband isn't for streaming as with your cable or DSL might be. There is only so much to go around and hogging it directly effects others.
Cable broadband I can't agree with you more, it's greed not a lack of bandwidth. | |
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1 edit | Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive My bad. I read the reply from my posts list (which doesn't show the post you were replying to) and I was most recently chatting about TWC backing off the bandwidth caps. Reading it again, it totally makes sense.
While my dataconnect plan has a 5GB limit, I read my iPhone TOS and it doesn't say anything about limits. A high bandwidth consuming app that runs from the phone could easily be problematic for AT&T. And even some of Apple's own apps, like some app store downloads can only (or could only) be done over Wi-Fi or installed when docked.
The alternative would be for AT&T to levy the 5GB limit that they have on tethering plans (like Blackberry w/ tethering) or dataconnect plans on the iPhone data plan. | |
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive said by adisor19 :said by GOLFnSUN :said by DarkLogix :AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive No, they are protecting their already overloaded network from going belly up. NOT. They are just stopping Sling from offering a service that would compete with their own U-verse service. Adi The topic was iPhone and Wireless network - NOT u-Verse and AT&T's wired network.
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive no the topic is AT&T blocked an app that could have even been used on an iPod touch and they are planning to release an app with similer functionality and don't want competition | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive Who says you need to have an iPhone or iPod to use Slingbox  | |
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join:2002-05-01
Saint Paul, MN
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :said by en102 :Who says you need to have an iPhone or iPod to use Slingbox I think this is about time where we make the realization that iPhone users have been getting the shaft since day 1. Even if the users still have the slingbox application on their iPhones, all Jobs has to do is hit a button and poof the application gets deleted. Same thing with the G1. You're understanding of the Android platform is... silly.
Google can remove an application from the application store, but that doesn't stop anyone from downloading it to an SD card and installing it. No hacking or modifying necessary. Google, T-Mobile, or other carriers can not stop you from installing applications on the Android platform. They just take away the easy to download application store link. | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | almost true but the word is that there will be an app like sling but that works with uverse (as was stated earlier) | |
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Woodside, NY
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1 edit | If you're in the business to make money, you might want to upgrade your network to satisfy customers. They want more bandwidth, upgrade and charge them more for the privilege. Why have a half assed network with data. It just makes people angry. That is the reason I didn't get an iPhone AT&T has a horrid network. | |
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive Same. AT&T is and has always been the reason that I think a majority of people are holding out.
I honestly would be very, very surprised if Apple gave AT&T another exclusivity contract. AT&T is going to fight for it tooth and nail since it's the only thing growing their subscriber base, but you've gotta wonder how it feels to be in their shoes right now, becoming the dumb pipe they hate becoming.
HSPA+ won't save them while their backhaul is still sucking. I think we've already beaten the horse to death over that issue.
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| I hate to do this, but I have to partially disagree with ya' on this one bud. I have an iTouch ipod which doesn't even use their network, only wifi. When I travel, I'll use my sling on my Moto9Q from Sprint or on my laptop to catch up with a couple shows that I've DVR'd and can't get while I'm gone.
This move is pretty hard not to come to a conclusion that there is someones interest being protected here.. I can see both sides of the story here, too. However, its destiny that apps like this are going to open debates and the big boys are going to have to suck it up a little at the same time. They've already got caps and overage charges, I honestly can't support a company charging a premium for a service and constantly spend time and money inventing ways to people not to use it.
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive Except in this case it's time shifted video which HAS NO BUSINESS running over voice centered cellular networks. If it's allowed to run just WiFi, someone will break it out to run over ATT on the jailbird phones, so it's best not to even release it. | |
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive said by JasonOD :
Except in this case it's time shifted video which HAS NO BUSINESS running over voice centered cellular networks. If it's allowed to run just WiFi, someone will break it out to run over ATT on the jailbird phones, so it's best not to even release it.
Umm, since when is HSDPA 3G voice centric? And if AT&T advertises their network as a 3G data network, they lost the right to differentiate between voice and data ... it's all data. | |
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| You couldn't be ANY more wrong in your post there guy. "Voice centered cellular network"? really? Voice is voice.. data is data. I don't think my data was interrupted by someone trying to use my data line to make a call.
And second of all, I really could care of the "what if's" in this argument. Someone can already break the network by writing their own app and running it on the phone. AT&T has Windows mobile phones and sling has an app for it now. So, what's different?
Hackers can hack an app, the phone, or open developers can make apps of their own that will do things that go against the system, so the potential is already there. So, with your thinking, should be constantly live in the fear of what-if? .. should be all be inside pulling the shades in fear that there is a possibility that someone may try to harm you? No.. we go on with out lives, and we deal with life in risk management. Right now, there is no major risk that needs to be dealt with. In society, you can't punish everyone for the possibility that a few may do something the rest doesn't like. So yea.. let's block out a million legitimate people from using WiFi on their iPod becuase a few may jailbreak the app.... seriously! .. give me a break.
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive Voice and data for the most part share the same frequency. In some cases data takes up more "Channels" on the backhaul than a single voice call.
Either way data really does not block up a site, but the wireless companies backhaul barely handles what's available and LTE is going to break their networks unless they upgrade to bigger pipes. | |
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| Re: Can you say Anti-Competitive No matter what is said "technically" here matters.. and is not valid to the point I was stating. It's not a "voice centered network" when they are selling a voice service and a data service. To me, the consumer, dropping $59.99 a month on data, it's a data network. When you spend what ever you do on voice, it's a voice network. I could care less how the back end technological points work. If they stopped selling voice service, then its a data network, right? And, if you say, as you did, "it's all data" then the problem lies with the fact they are over selling services they shouldn't in the first place.
It seems now we're getting into a semantics game. It is now becoming who's paid-for-services are more important than the others. If there isn't enough room for both on the network, they either need to upgrade the network's capacity, or stop selling a service, data, that they can't sell in the first place.. IF it's impacting the network's voice services.. that is, if VOICE is more important to them. (Or, better yet, raise the rates to something more sustainable and plow money into the network to increase capacity) This is one of those times where morals actually do play out in business. | |
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by DarkLogix :AT&T is clearly being Anti-Competitive No, they are protecting their already overloaded network from going belly up. There are other apps like Orb that have been approved though that do the same thing, only with ANY media. I'm not sure this isn't a concerted effort to knock out a potential U-Verse competitor. The problem with that of course is not all AT&T customers are served by U-Verse, so if that turns out to be true (I'm on the fence whether it is or not) it could open them up to legal troubles. | |
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join:2000-08-21
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| What do people expect? Seriously?
I have a G1 and I found a post on a cell phone board asking if someone would develop an app to run Bit Torrent on his phone so he could download stuff. WTF?!?!?!?!
If think they are going to get the same connection from a 3G network they get from their home cable connections, then they are going to be in for a rude surprise. | |
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Bit
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Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL
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| Still a rumor... Sling Media has said that they've not heard anything from Apple. It's all still up in the air.
Personally I would not be surprised if this app was banned. It doesn't matter that other phones on AT&T's network have been Slinging for quite some time now, because AT&T has no control over what those people install on their phones. With the iPhone, it is truly a closed system.
As the owner of both a Slingbox Solo and an iPhone, I won't be happy if this app gets banned -- simply because I would like to at least be able to use it over wi-fi! My hope is that, if the app really does get banned, they'll resubmit it as a wi-fi only app. Won't be as useful, but it'd be better than nothing.
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| Hey, a closed system that has over 34,770 apps. More than any other mobile platform! Think you will see Sling anytime soon an any VZW BB? No!
This story is foolish as it is based on nothing. Only an anonymous tipster to a flame bait website. Sling has already said they have no knowledge as to being rejected from Apple!! | |
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| Re: Still a rumor... said by SallyRider :
Hey, a closed system that has over 34,770 apps. More than any other mobile platform! Think you will see Sling anytime soon an any VZW BB? No!
This story is foolish as it is based on nothing. Only an anonymous tipster to a flame bait website. Sling has already said they have no knowledge as to being rejected from Apple!!
Two things:
1) It's these "flame baits" that actually bring a pre-uprising to the table and companies DO see them and react. With out them, I'll admit, companies will steam all over everyone and you wake up one day when it does happen and then it's too late.
2) Will you see sling on VZW BB? Sure.. do they have any Windows Mobile phones? If so.. they already have sling. I've been using Sling on my Moto 9Q on Sprint with the Sling app for Windows Mobile and it works pretty good.
So, the fact that the App Store is blocking the app, it's pretty clear that there is merit to the flame and people have a right to be upset.
As I said above, I use the iTouch which is pure wifi.. explain why that is being blocked. The iTouch is nothing more than an iPhone with out the phone side.. or, the iPhone is an iTouch WITH a phone, so the apps are mostly universal except for those that need constant data or GPS to work. | |
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So, the speculation that the App Store is blocking the app, it's pretty clear that there is merit to the flame and people have a right to be upset
There, fixed it for you. It's not fact but speculation from some rumor website. | |
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| said by SallyRider :
Hey, a closed system that has over 34,770 apps. More than any other mobile platform! Think you will see Sling anytime soon an any VZW BB? No!
This story is foolish as it is based on nothing. Only an anonymous tipster to a flame bait website. Sling has already said they have no knowledge as to being rejected from Apple!!
It's hardly based on nothing. Just a few days ago, slinging video was banned in the TOS until AT&T was properly embarrassed into changing their mind.
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TamaraB
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Brooklyn NYC | Not there? As of 11:00am Thursday I can't find it on the app store. A search for SlingPlayer and SlingBox turns up no results in iTunes.
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Hopewell Junction, NY | try this TV turner card (cheap usb one), $10 for orb live on the app store. watching tv. | |
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| Re: try this said by joe363 :TV turner card (cheap usb one), $10 for orb live on the app store. watching tv. The only problem is that OrbLive is an unstable POS right now. I used to use it and I'm not sure how they took a wonderfully stable app and borked it so badly when they started charging for it. | |
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join:2008-01-22
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| Re: try this said by Matt :said by joe363 :TV turner card (cheap usb one), $10 for orb live on the app store. watching tv. The only problem is that OrbLive is an unstable POS right now. I used to use it and I'm not sure how they took a wonderfully stable app and borked it so badly when they started charging for it. Really? OrbLive is an unstable POS? I use it on my Ipod touch and it works perfectly. It is difficult to configure but once you do it right, it works well. | |
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| Re: try this said by Harold Lloyd :said by Matt :said by joe363 :TV turner card (cheap usb one), $10 for orb live on the app store. watching tv. The only problem is that OrbLive is an unstable POS right now. I used to use it and I'm not sure how they took a wonderfully stable app and borked it so badly when they started charging for it. Really? OrbLive is an unstable POS? I use it on my Ipod touch and it works perfectly. It is difficult to configure but once you do it right, it works well. The iPhone app is fine, it's the Windows piece (the other side of the streaming equation) that has gone to crap. | |
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| Read Boy Genius please BG- UPDATE: Sling says that they “have had no word from Apple.” Yay!
The flame bait site Boy Genius has since posted this above earlier today. So this is based on NOTHING but a few readers without knownledge! | |
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tivoboy
join:2004-05-10
Menlo Park, CA
| could see it I could actually see a problem with the slingplayer app for iphone, at least on the 3G. If you think that ATT has all the mobile hotspot offerings, and then there could be many iphone users in the same place (similar folk, similar tastes, similar bleeding edge tech users) then on the 3g connection at any given time at least in cities, there could be 2-3+ slingplayer users in one location, all trying to STREAM 400-500kps over the 3G network. I'm not sure what sort of bandwidth there is at the node, is it OC3, or higher, but one could eat up a lot of bandwidth at specific locations VERY quickly. | |
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| axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| Re: could see it You argument makes no sense since people are using the Sling client all over the ATT network already with HTC and motorola phones.
Banning only the iphone is truly anti-competitive.
Whats worse is that the Sling client can be used on Wi-Fi at home and that has ZERO impact to the ATT shitty 3g/Edge networks.
100% pure duchebaggery from ATT here. | |
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join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | one more reason... why the phone shouldn't be AT&T only... they have a say in what apps go out (even if its a small one)... which then also affects iPod Touch users also! which is BS... | |
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| Flawlessly TIME? @ TIME: Flawlessly? You must not use your device much.
My calls drop all over Irvine, Tustin, RSM and other areas of Los Angeles.
First ATT tells me it's my SIM so I replace it.
Then they tell me it was my 3G RAZR v3xx. So I replaced it.
Then they tell me it was my BlackBerry Curve. So I replaced it.
Now apparently it's my iPhone that is the problem?
Coincidence? Don't think so.
ATT needs some serious competition from the other carriers with the iPhone. Let them duke it out on price and let us consumers win. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| It's the network? I've been quite satisfied with ATT's 3G network and the iPhone in St. Louis. While I don't always get blazing speeds while moving, I periodically run the iPhone speed test application created by this site and it's fairly common to get around 1Mbps/down and a couple hundred Kbps up. Sometimes it's 1.5Mbps down and 300Kbps up. Of course, sometimes it's only a few hundred Kbps down and 100Kbps up but that's usually inside a building where there are only a couple bars.
Are my expectations low? Should I be getting multi-megabits/second down and equally faster up speeds?
When I run the same benchmark on my home's WiFi (Charter cable), the iPhone attains speeds of close to the rated 5Mbps down and 512Kbps up. I know the phone is capable of much higher speeds. I don't know if this is true but somewhere I read the iPhone's 3G speeds are throttled to enhance battery life. I think someone claimed that if they opened it up, it would eat batteries even more than it does now. Is there truth to this?
Regarding Slingbox, there's already things like YouTube and iTV and so forth. Is the expectation that SlingBox will use that much more bandwidth or simply that more people will use it than YouTube or the other video services? I know what SlingBox is and it's a fantastic idea. I don't have one but that's because I don't travel that much and when I have time to watch videos, I usually find myself at home where I don't need to sling the video. | |
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join:2004-08-05
Chicago, IL
| 3G in my area (Chicago downtown) took a nose dive... I work from home and have two towers nearby. Was getting on average 500k down for the first 6 months of iPhone 3G. Then about 2 months ago my data connection when to crap. I am barely getting Edge connection. Sometimes no connection–just a dot or nothing on toolbar. Got a credit on my data plan from ATT after they said they were working on nearby tower. Got a text a few days later saying problem had been fixed. Still no 3G around Van Buren and Desplaines, yet there are towers aplenty nearby. I've walked around the area and data is pretty much dead. I can't see ATT keeping iPhone exclusivity when they can't maintain decent data service in a populated area. | |
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