 HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium join:2000-09-20 Phone Room kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| So if you think your speed is fast enough for me... why am i thinking of canceling and going with one of your competitors?
AT&T, you should seriously think about spending some capitol on network infrastructure rather than PACs, lobbyist, etc. -- I've come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and i'm all outta bubblegum. | |
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| Re: So if you think your speed is fast enough for me... If all the corporations didn't spent the money on lobbyists, and lawyers to interpret the law, they would have a ton more cash at hand to invest in the networks. They know this, and still chose not to do it. it shows that they are only interested in making money, and not pleasing their customers. | |
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 |  |  HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium join:2000-09-20 Phone Room kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: So if you think your speed is fast enough for me... that's right. you have to increase revenue so it will increase the price of your stock so that the stock holders will be happy and not sell.
as overheard in any random telecom/cableco board meeting since the mid 90's: "screw the actual customer and to hell with customer service cause they won't leave. our customers are too stupid to leave and they also don't want to pay any early termination fees. we've got our customers by the wallet." -- I've come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and i'm all outta bubblegum. | |
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | said by Harddrive:why am i thinking of canceling and going with one of your competitors? Most people only have the local cable system as a choice. Some of those are good and some are bad. The attitude of AT&T (and its investors) is one of the big reasons why the U.S. will continue to fall behind the rest of the developed world in broadband. It's another example of willingly giving up a lead in an area of technology. | |
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 |  |  SLDPremium join:2002-04-17 San Francisco, CA | Re: So if you think your speed is fast enough for me... Welcome to the world where corporations have outgrown their intended function and have become defacto goverments, either by political corruption (money) or by threat. | |
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| Re: So if you think your speed is fast enough for me... said by imidazol97:said by radougherty:Go ahead AT&T and think that way, that's why I don't have AT&T but TWC for internet/phone and DirecTV for video. In this area Time Warner is the archexample for not caring about the customer's real service. Lots of advertising and high prices especially after the first year sucker prices on a two year contract. The Time Warner trucks are everywhere doing repairs. In the four years I've had them for internet and two years for phone they've been out once to replace the modem and two short (less then 1 hour) internet outages. Guess I'm lucky or your area is unlucky. | |
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 |  N3OGHCertified GLG-20Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs kudos:1 Reviews:
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| said by Harddrive:AT&T, you should seriously think about spending some capitol on network infrastructure rather than PACs, lobbyist, etc. Yeah, that's your avatar laughing at that idea.
Seems like no one wants to do it the old fashioned way anymore. Every thing's a scam.
Whole country (world) is just one big "gotcha" anymore. Sneaky fees, unannounced phantom caps, "just pay processing and shipping", secret taxes, wall street bail outs, bank bailouts, credit card fees (got rid of them), auto company bail outs, Greece (need I say more).
We all struggle to make $40K a year, while these titans of industry and government fuck everything up and get to keep their fat salaries and corporate jets and limo rides.
Sorry
/rant off -- Petty people are disproportionally corrupted by petty power | |
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 |  | | said by Harddrive:why am i thinking of canceling and going with one of your competitors? AT&T, you should seriously think about spending some capitol on network infrastructure rather than PACs, lobbyist, etc. they dont need to do that its the CORPORATION OF THE US of A. PAY NOW and quit whining be thankful they even give you internet.
LOOK at canada they are trying to take it away from you by throttles , caps and user based billing to make it too expensive to use the net for web surfing. | |
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 |  |  HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium join:2000-09-20 Phone Room kudos:2 | Re: So if you think your speed is fast enough for me... as i've said many times before, welcome to the United States of Corporate America. -- I've come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and i'm all outta bubblegum. | |
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| said by Harddrive:why am i thinking of canceling and going with one of your competitors? AT&T, you should seriously think about spending some capitol on network infrastructure rather than PACs, lobbyist, etc. Yep, AT&T plays the blame game really well. Everything bad isn't their fault, the bad network speed, the poor deployment, the poor coverage, etc etc is all someone elses problem.
When I first moved to Dallas I was looking at two different homes, the first one was in FIOS area and we really wanted it but someone beat me to it. So the second one was a little bit further down the road and only had AT&T DSL which was a big bummer. Well within the first week of moving in Verizon FIOS trucks all showed up and started tearing the neighborhood apart to install FIOS. About 4 months later I was able to switch over and I couldn't be happier. The speed and performance are stellar to say the least. The AT&T was sub par and barely a decent speed (6mb/768kbps up) for the cost considering I got FIOS at 15/5 for only a few bucks more.
AT&T needs to stop making excuses and put some really money into fiber to the home and increasing reliability. -- 20" Imac 2.16mhz Core2Duo 2GB DDR2 ram FOR SALE inquire within. | |
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 | | If AT&T does... If they really do try to get that speed, and if I do see it, I will like them a little more. I'm already mad at them at their speeds now. 6MBPS is not fast enough on my network, as we have a high activity.
We've been wanting to switch to cable internet as they're faster, but they say cable is a shared connection. | |
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1 edit | Re: If AT&T does... said by Ben :
If they really do try to get that speed, and if I do see it, I will like them a little more. I'm already mad at them at their speeds now. 6MBPS is not fast enough on my network, as we have a high activity.
We've been wanting to switch to cable internet as they're faster, but they say cable is a shared connection. All connections are shared. It's just whether they are shared at the local node(usually with fiber piped in) or at the DSLAM back at the CO. In my area, cable absolutely kills dsl hands down, even though we only have DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem technology here. Verizon DSL: 7mbps/? for a select few and 3 mbps/768 kbps for most of the rest of us, unless said person is really unlucky and can only get the 768kbps/128kbps package. TWC/Roadrunner cable: 15/1 Turbo(not just for a select few) and you can go a bit cheaper without much performance hit with the 10/1 standard package(which I downgraded to because I'd want more upload to pay for that 15 mbit down). -- The new Sony rootkit-Using the ability to remove features you paid for. What's next? Boycott Sony products »[Rant] ps3 update = no more Linux | |
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 | | Really? I ditched AT&T because their DSL was no where near what I wanted in terms of Speed. Comcast's 15/3 plan is a huge upgrade and for nearly the same price has AT&T's fastest DSL. Not mention uverse isn't even available on my block! | |
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 |  | | Re: Really? They're mostly available in bigger cities. My aunt has it, and its pretty awesome. And she has comcast high speed, and I love how fast it is. | |
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4 edits | I left.... Reluctantly..... But I left I have had DSL forever... I had 6MB (Throttled back to 3Mb because it simply wouldn't work at 6Mb-- 8K From CO) for a few years, until I could tell (after begging) that I was equaldistant from the CO and/or VRAD..... So I'll never get anything faster than 3Mb Down/384 Up.
I do beta work, involving Multi Gb downloads. It got to the point where starting a download and going to work didn't cut it anymore... So I jumped ship....
The Ameritech, SBC, ATT, ____Techs I'd contact here were great... they tried multiple times to get me faster.
I'm now at Comcast... 12M Dn / 2M Up... I normally get 14 Dn and 4 Up...
I waited patiently..... (about 6 years since I tried to upgrade to 6Mb) and I even thought maybe UVerse would save me.... But I simply can't wait forever.... Sorry -- Looking for 1939 Indian Motocycle | |
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 | | Even 10Mbps is enough for general consumers I have 7Mbps today and actually need only 4Mbps (streaming video, netflix, hulu, etc.) and actually want to step down if it costs less.
Do 90% of consumers really need more than 10Mbps? Broadband providers need to build up infrastructure to keep up with increased load of more users, but most probably wouldn't go for over 10Mbps if it costs more.
WiMAX is coming to my area this summer.. I can see the site from my condo on top of another condo, LOS baby! If I can consistently get sustained 4Mbps+, I'll get rid of cable. | |
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 |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Even 10Mbps is enough for general consumers I believe you on that.
The only thing that somewhat ticks me off, is that I end up paying more for less on AT&T vs. TWC.
Triple pay will cost me +15/month more to start on AT&T ($100 + fees vs 117+fees) and I end up with 1 box (pay extra for an extra set - no CATV on Uverse), then that comes with a $3 'internet fee' and its for 3Mbps/1Mbps. TWC starts at 15Mbps/1Mbps here, and I've hit over 30 with boost.
I'm not saying TWC is perfect... but then I don't want to pay extra for what I already have... and them some. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Hey AT&T I got news for ya. Your broadband is crap. I pay for 6 meg and am lucky to get 2 maybe 3 meg on a good day. It used to be so intermittent that it was unusable, until the good people in the AT&T tech forum here fixed the issue. I'm praying every day for Charter (Thats right, I'm praying for Charter. Thats how bad AT&T is.) to put lines in our new subdivision so I can get some decent speeds. This slow, unreliable pile of crap you call DSL is a joke. -- Does Microsoft mean small and squishy? | |
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| Re: AT&T: said by DrModem:Our broadband is fast enough, our 3G network is reliable, our voice never drops calls. their full of shit too | |
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| Sad AT&T's statements here are all but an outright admission that they are hopelessly behind cable armed with DOCSIS 3.0, and now they're pinning their hopes on convincing everyone they don't need the speed. If I can get 50/5Mbps cable for a comparable speed to AT&T's fastest offering, whether or not I need the speed is irrelevant to me: cable is the better value for the money. -- "Don't steal. The government hates competition." Beyond AM. Beyond FM. XM | |
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1 edit | No AT&T its not, we, the USA are the Losers in broadband All because companies like yourself think that you can bilk more money out of the crappy service you already offer. You dont want to improve, or grow or be better, just find more ways to screw us out of more cash for the same slow service you were offering 5 years ago. Sorry thats not innovation thats stagnation, you have gotten FAT and are sitting on your butt like Bubba and we dont need that if we are to stay the most technically advanced nation in the world.
BTW I hope you enjoy feeding your investors because with a attitude like that they will be ALL YOU HAVE as the customers will leave for better service. | |
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: No AT&T its not, we, the USA are the Losers in broadband said by rahlquist:All because companies like yourself think that you can bilk more money out of the crappy service you already offer. You dont want to improve, or grow or be better, just find more ways to screw us out of more cash for the same slow service you were offering 5 years ago. Ripping off American consumers has become the national pastime. | |
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 Lazlow join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Distance? If this is really more about distance, I wonder if at&t is not looking at stimulus funds for getting service out to those who cannot get internet. Yes, I know the stimulus money is pretty much gone, but if a player like at&t can show a reasonable solution, more will magically appear. If they can extend the range enough that they only need a RT every 5 miles (1-1/2 ish now) and be able to deliver 5Mbps service at that range, it MAY be an effective solution. | |
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 |  jeffro join:2007-04-20 Bay City, MI | Re: Distance? Where I am I can get either AT&T DSL or Charter's HSI. It's not even a close comparison. Fastest from AT&T is 6/768. Charter is 25/3 for now until DOCSIS 3 hits my area and then 60/5 becomes available hopefully. AT&T's mindset will be their downfall. Keep up or get the hell out of the way. | |
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 |  |  Lazlow join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Distance? Which is why I specifically mention "for getting service out to those who cannot get internet". People keep forgetting that there are tons of areas that cannot get any land line internet(above dial up speeds) and many cannot get cell based service either. That pretty much leaves satellite internet, which is fine for email but even heavy web browsing can bring it to its knees. | |
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 |  |  |  WhatNowPremium join:2009-05-06 Charlotte, NC | Re: Distance? It would be nice if they could get everybody with electricity to the house to get a minimum of at least 6 to 10Mbps reliable internet at the same time they go for the super speeds. | |
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 |  |  | | said by jeffro:Where I am I can get either AT&T DSL or Charter's HSI. It's not even a close comparison. Fastest from AT&T is 6/768. Charter is 25/3 for now until DOCSIS 3 hits my area and then 60/5 becomes available hopefully. AT&T's mindset will be their downfall. Keep up or get the hell out of the way. What are you going to use the 25Mbps for? Most consumers don't need it. Streaming video only needs about 4Mbps for near HD (like Netflix).
I'd like to step down from 7Mbps to 4Mbps if it would cost less.
ATT will do fine, but won't be able to service power users, which is a small part of the general population. Why spend billions when only a few % need that much bandwidth? The do need to beef up the infrastructure to sustain 10Mbps to end users but most user themselves don't need more than 10. Copper has some life left for the last mile. | |
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 |  |  sqinkyPremium join:2001-01-24 Fernley, NV Reviews:
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| I'm in the same boat, but made a different decision. I dealt with Charter here (in the Reno,NV area) a number of years ago (for a few years) and I would rather have my testicles pounded flat with a wooden hammer than ever have to 1) deal with that company again and/or 2) send them another penny. Their customer service was non-existent & their tech support was as attrocaus as my spilling, neither of which would have been too bad if their actual tv service & internet service would have been even remotely stable which it was not (so I had to deal with the other 2 types of service). For you Charter fans out there, I fully admit that it's been a number of years since my bad experience with them. But I'm still not going to put myself through that again. I still hear horror stories from friends of mine who have Charter (so I take it as a given they have not fixed themselves). Say what you will about AT&T, but my internet (and my landline) have been bulletproof for as long as they have been installed here (8 years for POTS & 5 or so years for internet). I'd like a bit more speed (ok I'll take as much speed as they will sell me), but I normally get a mid to high 4meg result on speed tests (not great, but better than cutting Charter a check) and I can't remember a single outage of internet since signing up with AT&T for internet. | |
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 gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall join:2002-04-07 Santa Cruz, CA 1 edit | Cavemen Here in ATT land US we live in caves and get 1.5 mb dsl. MuuuuugaaaaaBUGAAAAA!
Or is that Geico? Tell ATT I'm switching to Geico. -- Let them eat FIBER! | |
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 | | DSL bonding My company Charlotte Internet located in Charlotte, NC has been sucessfully bonding DSL in the 1.5mb x 2 chnls; 3mb x 2 chnls; 6mb x 2 chnls. We offer clients 24mb x 2mb speeds. You do need 4 DSL channels, but we've done it. Regards, Scott Huffman www.charlotteinternet.com | |
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3 edits | U-Verse is the way to go... U-Verse is the way to go for several reasons-the main one being that the largest cost for any system is at the home end of the connection-installation. I've heard that a FIoS install can cost Verizon upwards of 500-1000 dollars per home. If you can use the wiring that's already there then you save a bundle. Eventually, V-Rads will shrink in size small enough to be located on neighborhood utility poles and 100/5 will become the standard V-Rad speeds. I wouldn't be surprised is Verizon is looking at an on pole V-Rad solution as well-which is why they aren't expanding, even into areas where they already have fiber strung on the poles.
V-Rads also can supply home voice phone power during power outages-and eventually that part of the V-Rad will be powered by the batteries located in the C.O. via copper pairs. Already Verizon has decided that they will NOT replace batteries in the UPSes they have provided for FiOS-so once the batteries in yours dies you're SOL. Of course, this also assumes that your phone doesn't require AC power to work-which is why I maintain POTS service and one corded phone at my house. | |
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| Re: U-Verse is the way to go... In my area maintaining a pots line just to have it cost around $26 month minimum including taxes, fees and the shinanigens they add in. This is metered phone plan (the cheapest) too. If it just for security to have a phone any ole Cell phone (active or not) you can dial 911 to get emergency services and that cost nothing. One thing I been meaning to do is test it some how with out getting into trouble or perhaps taking a walk to the police station to ask about the 911 on old cellphones. | |
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 |  Zoder join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL | said by qworster:If you can use the wiring that's already there then you save a bundle. Eventually, V-Rads will shrink in size small enough to be located on neighborhood utility poles and 100/5 will become the standard V-Rad speeds. I wouldn't be surprised is Verizon is looking at an on pole V-Rad solution as well-which is why they aren't expanding, even into areas where they already have fiber strung on the poles. What's your time frame for this? Something that fits inside of a cabinet is not going to shrink to the size small enough to hang on a pole in the next few years | |
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2 edits | Actually, it can... Actually it can, because the pole mounted ones would only support perhaps 30 houses, while the big V-Rads support about 10 times that amount. In front of my house I have a pole mounted cell site for MetroPCS. Fed by fiber, it's about one foot square and six feet long-and hangs right on the pole, complete with an electric meter. A few years ago, this site would have required its own building. | |
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | said by qworster:V-Rads also can supply home voice phone power during power outages-and eventually that part of the V-Rad will be powered by the batteries located in the C.O. via copper pairs. Already Verizon has decided that they will NOT replace batteries in the UPSes they have provided for FiOS-so once the batteries in yours dies you're SOL. Of course, this also assumes that your phone doesn't require AC power to work-which is why I maintain POTS service and one corded phone at my house. The batteries in the FiOS UPS are replaceable and not expensive. As was reported here nearly a quarter of homes no longer have landlines. I will add to that many landline phones are now portables and or have answering machines that have power supplies or chargers that plug in to AC power. Sooner or later AT&T will ask to be relieved from the responsibility and unnecessary expense of providing battery power from their COs. | |
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 | | RE:AT&T: Our Broadband Is Fast Enough I am so glad that I'm in a Qwest area and afraid to move to a AT&T area. I checked out my parents place in Fort Worth, Texas. The fast speed in that neighborhood is 6 Mbps, and I'm enjoying 20 Mbps with Qwest (soon to be 40 Mbps).
If you have DirecTV, 20 or even 40 Mbps is perfect for on-demand content. Wait until you have 3 or 4 users that like to play video games online, all at the same time. 6 Mbps is not fast enough.
AT&T's current attitude reminds me of Gates (founder of Microsoft) response over 15 years ago, "You won't ever need more than so many megabytes of ram." Lucky for Gates, he's not a hardware manufacturer or he would have been out of a job. | |
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 | | I switched too I lived at my previous residence from 2001 until 2006. I had AT&T DSL after struggling with Telocity/DirecTV DSL for months initially and went with AT&T (BellSouth at that time)...
I have to say I had absolutely zero problems with the service. Even during one of the hurricanes, with no electricity, I could plug my ADSL modem to a UPS, ignore the beeps from the ups and could surf from one of my charged laptops.
When I moved I wanted to give Comcast (then Adelphia) a chance. The speed is considerably faster and even pages start loading faster. I had some problems the first few weeks due to some internal cabling issues at my new place but since then it's been good. I'll say I've been for a total of maybe 10-15 hours in the past 3.5 years... | |
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 | | Waiting for U-Verse? U-Verse. You have got to be kidding! ATT went crazy installing V-Rads in Northwest Indiana 2 years ago. Then they decided not to do installs. Real good business plan. This seems to be common throughout the US reading different posts. | |
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 TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY | We know all about Pair bonding. AT&T Pair Bonding, as in Don't ask, don't Tell. AT&T translation; Don't ask what kind of Bull Sh*t we are feeding you, and We will not tell you.  | |
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