  benc Premium join:2007-06-17 Glen Carbon, IL | Hopefully This Won't Spread To Other Areas I already pay more than enough for my AT&T POTS! | |
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 |   Laughing Man Stand Alone Complex Premium join:2008-03-17 Louisville, KY clubs: 1 edit | Re: Hopefully This Won't Spread To Other Areas Only if your state has been spending its time eliminating consumer price caps.
Edit: Original reply meant for your title there, but yeah, POTS is expensive no matter where you are. | |
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| Re: Hopefully This Won't Spread To Other Areas said by pandora :have absolutely no monthly bill So you get high quality VoIP for free then? | |
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| Re: Hopefully This Won't Spread To Other Areas said by pandora :Yup. $200 for an Ooma core, then $40 to port my POTS number, after that, $0 per month. So you are paying $240 for what many VoIP providers charge less for equipment and 2 years of service. Plus the financial viability of Ooma still hasn't been proven as they are yet to be profitable. Give it two more years and see if Ooma is still around once the VC money has dried up.
On a second line, I have elected to pay $100 a year for premier service, mostly this lets me block unwanted callers and forward calls when the internet is down to my cell phone. So now the additional revenue stream comes into play. Yeah it's not a monthly fee, but it still pro-rates to about $8.33/month...cheaper then many traditional VoIP providers, but still not non-zero. | |
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| Hi. Pls explain *how* to go totally VOip as said in your post re: POTS prices going up (again) w/AT&T. Thanks. OBTW: no Windows here if that matters. I'm sure my linux box can handle anything but I'm curious how manage to get around AT&T forcing say, POTS in order to have DSL (Michigan); we don't have Uverse as option in my area just yet. TIA. robhwillyahoo.com Have A Healthy, Prosperous Day! ---rob | |
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join:2004-03-07 right here | Re: Hopefully This Won't Spread To Other Areas You mean that the CEO is snorting coke up his nose and needs the extra $$$ to pay for it? | |
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| U-verse............ If that what it takes for them to install U-verse faster in my neighborhood than I don't mind paying more for my landline. Right now I pay about $20.00 for my landline phone. I have Dish Network and AT&T HSI, Pro, and would love to get rid of Dish and switch over to U-verse. | |
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join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL 1 edit | Re: U-verse............ That's not how it works. In fact AT&T has cut capex spending from the previous year. | |
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| said by Madtown :If that what it takes for them to install U-verse faster in my neighborhood than I don't mind paying more for my landline. Right now I pay about $20.00 for my landline phone. I have Dish Network and AT&T HSI, Pro, and would love to get rid of Dish and switch over to U-verse. LOL.
But no. They are two separate entities. Because a great deal of many reasons, one of which that says that the farmer living 25 miles from the nearest CO should get phone service at the same price as someone living in urban L.A., land-lines are getting increasingly more expensive to maintain, and they are losing customers by the thousands. Simple math will tell you that it costs $20,000 a year to maintain a piece of equipment in a local CO that connects 5,000 users, and a few years later everyone has moved to cable-company phone service, opted for wireless only, or went with some other voip service like vonage, and there are now only 3,000 users connected and it is still dropping..... and at the same time maintenance on said equipment is rising due to salary raises, older equipment breaking more frequently, etc, etc....... you'll have to charge users more to make up the difference.
That being said, my Vonage phone bill is $24,95 + some taxes/fees = roughly $31 every month, and I can call the entire U.S., Canada, and about 25 other countries and not pay a penny more.
My SECOND line for business is still POTS. It has no features and no long distance, and is just for incoming calls. If it is getting too expensive to maintain that (I am also keeping the landline for emergency/earthquake reasons, last quake my cellphone and internet stopped working for hours, but landline worked) I may have to decide on an alternative and hope for the best with a quake.  -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" | |
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| Re: U-verse............ POTS equipment has been around for how long ?
A LOT of that equipment should have been paid for many years ago, when there was nothing but Telco monopoly. That $20,000/year for 5000 users = $4/year.
The 'carrier grade' service is where they can charge a truckload for.
On a similar note, if its 'cost of maintaining lines' argument, then the cost should be similar to cable, and for the price, ADSL (rural) or VDSL should be included in the cost.
I pay $36/year for Skype, and make ~3 hours of conference calls/day. | |
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In any way, I can see why it costs more to maintain. -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" | |
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join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | Maybe Cell phone data plans from AT&T will cost less. | |
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  Chris 313 Come get some Premium join:2004-07-18 Houma, LA clubs: | Glad I don't have them I don't even have a landline, haven't since 2004. CDV has been 39.95 ever since I got it. AT&T really needs to rethink. No wonder people are dropping land lines like flies and going to other phone methods. | |
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| Re: Glad I don't have them said by Chris 313 :I don't even have a landline, haven't since 2004. CDV has been 39.95 ever since I got it. AT&T really needs to rethink. No wonder people are dropping land lines like flies and going to other phone methods. Except some people don't have that option, I for one have Dish and regular DSL and that requires a phone line. | |
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1 edit | Re: Glad I don't have them said by Chris 313 :said by Madtown :said by Chris 313 :I don't even have a landline, haven't since 2004. CDV has been 39.95 ever since I got it. AT&T really needs to rethink. No wonder people are dropping land lines like flies and going to other phone methods. Except some people don't have that option, I for one have Dish and regular DSL and that requires a phone line. Sure, I'll give you the DSL bit. Excluding a Dry loop, or whatever DSL without phone service on the line is. But as far as I can remember, Sat TV,Tivo, etc. has moved beyond needing a phone line to do connections, you could do it over your internet connection now. Some areas do not offer dry loop. Dish still needs a phone line for ordering ppv and other things. -- To talk much and arrive nowhere is the same as climbing a tree to catch a fish. | |
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| Re: Glad I don't have them said by badtrip :said by Chris 313 :I don't even have a landline, haven't since 2004. CDV has been 39.95 ever since I got it. AT&T really needs to rethink. No wonder people are dropping land lines like flies and going to other phone methods. AT&T knows that land line days are numbered so AT&T is raising their prices to fleece the folks who either 1. cannot dump their land line or 2. aren't aware they can dump their land line for alternatives I do have an alternative and that is Comcast, but in order to do that I would have to dump Dish for Comcast Cable, and Dish is better than Comcast, and Comcast Internet is 250GB per month. Xbox Live, and videos from youtube, Netflix and Hulu and images (more likeley porn images in my case) will count toward the 250GB cap. Texts not so much. So in my case the aternatives will cost me more money. | |
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2 edits | said by badtrip :said by Chris 313 :I don't even have a landline, haven't since 2004. CDV has been 39.95 ever since I got it. AT&T really needs to rethink. No wonder people are dropping land lines like flies and going to other phone methods. AT&T knows that land line days are numbered so AT&T is raising their prices to fleece the folks who either 1. cannot dump their land line or 2. aren't aware they can dump their land line for alternatives And what alternatives are those? Let's see, there's only two that I know of:
1) Mobile phone -- don't want one. Unreliable, shoddy service (static + jitter), overpriced significantly (mainly in the United States), crash/lock up, blah blah... They're not cheaper than a landline if all you want is simple service (like me).
2) VoIP -- bulky physical boxes which are often combo'd with a cable modem (stay away from my cable modem!), susceptible to static + jitter, involve use of batteries to "guarantee" service availability during power outages, reliant on IP and other pieces which could fail in the above scenarios as well, and no absolute 100% guarantee 911 is available in case of emergency.
With a land line, I get the following:
- Reliable service -- no static, jitter, drop-outs, phone isn't going to crash on me, etc. - No bulky boxes or extra hardware -- single 2-pair wire coming out of the wall, available in all rooms of my flat - Usable during a power outage (yes I keep an old wired phone around for this purpose -- and it came in handy a couple months ago!) - 911 service is always available
That said -- I recognise I'm a dying breed of person. Eventually I'm going to *have* to adapt to this evolutionary technology, but I'd rather not until all of the above situations are dealt with.
Bottom line is that neither of the alternatives, to me, are considered viable replacements. I simply refuse to pay more for something that's worse in overall quality (with regards to what I want/need). I'll pay 20% more for the above, but I won't pay 50% more for mobile/VoIP given its horrible track record (IMHO) so far. -- Making life hard for others since 1977. I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer. | |
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| Re: Glad I don't have them Damn dude, my parents are in their 60's and they ditched their landline 2 years ago for cell service. We never have any issues, jitters or drops, and static isn't possible with digital phones. Best of all, nearly everyone I call is on Verizon, so like 95% of my calls are mobile to mobile.
Have you used a cell phone recently? Mine is on par with a landline for sure.
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| Re: Glad I don't have them said by Dragasoni : We never have any issues, jitters or drops, and static isn't possible with digital phones. What about digital artifacting? What about POTS using 64kbitps and cellphones struggle to reach 14kbitps? There is a big quality difference. | |
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| Re: Glad I don't have them said by patcat88 :said by Dragasoni : We never have any issues, jitters or drops, and static isn't possible with digital phones. What about digital artifacting? What about POTS using 64kbitps and cellphones struggle to reach 14kbitps? There is a big quality difference. I notice no difference whatsoever. If the signal is bad, sure it's choppy, but when I have 3 or more bars out of 5, my connection is clear and loud. Even when I'm driving at 80 MPH, people think I'm in my living room. I will say that GSM phones sound rather crappy to me, but CDMA is loud, crisp, and clear.
If cell phones were so bad, why are people dropping their landlines at this rate?
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| said by Chris 313 :I don't even have a landline, haven't since 2004. CDV has been 39.95 ever since I got it. AT&T really needs to rethink. No wonder people are dropping land lines like flies and going to other phone methods. Isn't your CDV provided over a landline?
Last I checked, Comcast ain't providing service over the air.
You have a landline 
Welcome to the 90's!
Nevertheless, 40 bucks for Comcast landline is amazing...why don't you get cell? | |
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| Re: Bell Heads said by Mr Matt :  These jerks cannot get over the fact that they are no longer a monopoly. In the days of the Bell System, Pacific Bell always disliked the California Public Service Commission because they supported consumers over corporate interest. That sure has changed. If AT&T wants to stay in the voice telephone business they should be lowering cost of land line service not raising it. The greatest impact will be on the poor that cannot find alternate communication service. Corporate greed does not help either. I wouldn't say the greatest impact would be the poor vs middle class working people. Poor people can get on Lifeline discounted service...... unless they arte raising that too. | |
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| Truly Hilarious In this day and age to raise land line prices. Now that is a laugh. The only good reason to have your land line is for non voice communications like alarms and faxes and what not. We had VOIP since 04 and even that seemed to be waste our family has gone to all cell since since a few months ago since that is all we used anyway. The money saved in VOIP bumped up our cell minutes with our F&F option which essentially turned into unlimited calling for all our family members and the ease of having 1 number for each of us so I don't have to chat with my inlaws or the same for my wife.
Good luck with that increase now how about a increase on buggy whips also. LOL | |
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  crazyk4952 Premium join:2002-02-04 united state clubs: | POTS is dying Yet another reason to ditch POTS and get VOIP...
The stupidity and greediness of AT&T never ceases to amaze me! | |
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| Re: POTS is dying Agreed. I dumped these morons for VOIP, $30/month including international calling to any countries worth talking to. | |
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@navy.mil | Re: Reach out i ma glad i dropped them and switched to tmobile $10 a month home phone. Fuck ATT | |
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join:2004-03-07 right here | Re: Reach out But what about the old people? Think of the OLD people! | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | But thats ATT CLEC, not ATT ILEC/Ma Bell. | |
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join:1999-09-01 New Jersey | Its like TDMA legacy pricing. This is the same a TDMA being phased out, they want people off pots. So they are raising prices to motivate people off. | |
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| Re: Its like TDMA legacy pricing. said by tubbynet :said by DaveNJ :This is the same a TDMA being phased out, they want people off pots. So they are raising prices to motivate people off. that may be true - but a* is falling down if this is the case. unlike a true ilec, a* doesnt have a viable alternative to push users to. they obviously want users off copper, but they still need it for dsl and pots. even those users who have other hsi access, a* doesnt have a viable voip solution. unless they figure that the gains from not having to maintain pots outweighs the lost customer revenues. who knows? this is the death star. q. have you forgotten wireless?
when the only landline option is cable, and we know how much BBR types love their cable company, everything will be data over wireless. just a matter of when. Increased wireless spectrum and tech will enable real competition and lower prices, but it ain't gonna happen real soon (lower prices) with 3 or 4 network infrastructure players (IMO). | |
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join:2009-10-13 Patterson, CA | wow -_- and THIS is why our household does NOT use any POTS service...
all cellphone in my place | |
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join:2000-06-08 Glendale, CA 1 edit | . Landlines? Ehhh...haven't had a need for that for many years. AT&T can suck it. -- The Internet is about to go down....it is actually. | |
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Perfect fit. -- Greedy Old Pigs | |
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| CA Rate Lower by Law, Now Adjusting to Fair Rates My understanding of California's PUC is that they have rates artificially-forced down below market rates, hurting the utilities like electric, which is why CA has rolling blackouts. The article mentions that AT&T is simply adjusting to market rates, perhaps rates they get in other states, not the artificially low caps in CA. $20 for a monthly bill is cheap compared to the northeast. Why should CA get cheap phone service? Isn't the phone co in business to make a profit? | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | Re: CA Rate Lower by Law, Now Adjusting to Fair Rates Wow, the rolling black outs weren't because of cheap rates. Wow! What revisionist history! The electric rates are NOT low, or even artificially low in CA. Wow! | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO
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| There's competition. Use it. 1. AT&T's VoIP (they want you on it anyway) 2. Cable VoIP 3. VoIP from another provider plus an HSI connection of some sort 4. "Big four" cellular providers (unlimited voice, including calling features, texting and long distance, for $40-$60) 5. "Unlimited" cellular providers (CricKet, MetroPCS, others)
Granted, this means that soon the cheapest phone service without an internet connection will be somewhere around $40 per month, with the with-internet price sitting around $25, however the voice marketplace today is pretty competitive. You just have to look elsewhere if you want cheap talk, and in doing so you'll have to give up having a voice-usable copper pair running from your home to the CO. | |
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| I just need dial tone for my DSL. I don't know how to talk over the POTS so what are my options? I am broke as a broken POT.
12 US for my dial tone and 113 for my DSL (Elite with static IP)
No TV for 15 years. I guess DZSL will be next. | |
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1 edit | Re: I just need dial tone for my DSL. said by Z80 :AT&T sells dry loop. Yeah, but Im willing bet they wanna ass ream you for it too.
No home phone and I dont miss it, at all, ..especially from ATT. Screw'em. I hope their ceo ends up living under a bridge on the interstate. | |
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Budget dry loop here starts at $20/mo for 768k/384k (1yr term) and goes up to $30 and $40 (no contract) for the fastest tiers. All include free wi-fi hot spot access and all these plans are cheaper than cable here. | |
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join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | Price Controls? The CPUC denied AT&T (Pacific Bell) and Verizon (GTE) any basic rate increase from 1994 to 2008 - a period of over 13 years.
That isn't price control. Its theft.
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| Re: Price Controls? And yet miraculously they stayed in business and made no attempt to leave the market.
said by elray :The CPUC denied AT&T (Pacific Bell) and Verizon (GTE) any basic rate increase from 1994 to 2008 - a period of over 13 years. That isn't price control. Its theft. Meanwhile, the 'state' increased their taxes across the board. | |
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join:2008-03-18 West Bloomfield, MI | 15+ year AT&T home phone customer switched to Vonage Glad I switched to Vonage yesterday, number porting, getting box like tomorrow or the next day. I am so happy after I saw this I am like well I don't have to deal with that anymore | |
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| Re: 15+ year AT&T home phone customer switched to Vonage said by Chaldo :Glad I switched to Vonage yesterday, number porting, getting box like tomorrow or the next day. I am so happy after I saw this I am like well I don't have to deal with that anymore Congrats! Be glad you have a very dependable ISP that doesn't throttle. Pretty sure you'll have the blame game to deal with in the future... 
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| Don't stay mad, Get even Can I get a shout out from all the AT&T POTS customers out there who want to start using FreeConferenceCall.com just for the hell of it for 10-20 hours per week? 
Why not? If AT&T is going to increase what consumers are charged, then perhaps consumers should fight back by taking action which ensures that AT&T will be hurt in the process.
I wonder how much this whole stunt has cost AT&T in political campaign contributions and other payoffs and bribes... -- Nobel peace prize for Obammer... Now he's got one more thing in common with Arafat besides hating America. And he's just as succesful as Jimmy "the failure" Carter. | |
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