AT&T Replacing 17,000 U-Verse Batteries - Apparently the units aren't supposed to spontaneously combust....

AT&T Replacing 17,000 U-Verse Batteries
Apparently the units aren't supposed to spontaneously combust....
(old news - 10:46AM Tuesday Jan 15 2008)
tags: business · hardware · AT&T U-Verse

Last October, an internal battery malfunction caused an AT&T U-Verse VRAD to explode in the Houston suburbs, sending shrapnel hurling fifty feet throughout the neighborhood. "At this point, we have not concluded that the Avestor batteries pose any threat to the public or our employees," said AT&T in August. That was then, this is now.

AT&T is now stating that they'll be replacing 17,000 VRAD Avestor batteries across their entire U-Verse footprint. This from an AT&T spokesman:

Normally, we would work with a vendor to diagnose problems and develop solutions. We can't do that in this case because Avestor filed for bankruptcy in October 2006 and closed shortly thereafter. As a result, we have decided to move forward with the removal of all Avestor batteries as quickly as possible.

The incident in Houston wasn't the only one. Save Access points to another cabinet that exploded on Christmas morning in Wisconsin. In all, there were four such incidents over the past two years. AT&T is not saying how long it will take them to replace all the batteries or how much it will cost.

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lordfly join:2000-10-12 Homestead, FL	Cost? Figuring at $150/battery (conservative), probably more, just the batteries alone will set them back over $2.5M. That should be about a $1.00 raise per customer. This is not including overtime, battery disposal, and other installation issues.
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Raptor Not a Dumptruck join:2001-10-21 London, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed ·Bell Sympatico	Re: Cost? said by lordfly : That should be about a $1.00 raise per customer. Don't worry, it'll show up under "battery recovery fee". So you'll still be on the $34.99 plan technically.
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en102 Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA	Re: Cost? LOL I would not be surprised. -- Canada = Hollywood North
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When you think about it though, with the current state of our civil courts, $2.5M to replace them all is a small price to pay. If even one person gets a cut on their pinky from a piece of flying debris after one explodes, they'd be paying out 10 times that on the lawsuit.
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	Re: Cost? Heh the lawyers alone would get $2.5M.
	permalink · 2008-01-15 13:39:40 ·

BabyBear Keep wise ...with Night-Owl join:2007-01-11	said by Raptor : said by lordfly : That should be about a $1.00 raise per customer. Don't worry, it'll show up under "battery recovery fee". So you'll still be on the $34.99 plan technically. "Stored Power Cost Recovery Fee" sounds much vaguer and more likely to be used.
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said by Raptor

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Don't worry, it'll show up under "battery recovery fee". So you'll still be on the $34.99 plan technically.

Negative. They would never be so clear. It would be something like "Public safety mandate recovery fee" or "Liability offset cost recovery fee" or something to make it look like it's another Government fee or tax.

Personally, I think it should come right out of the stock dividends... but that's me.
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Raptor Not a Dumptruck join:2001-10-21 London, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed ·Bell Sympatico	Re: Cost? said by KrK : Personally, I think it should come right out of the stock dividends... but that's me. You'll never be a CEO with such backwards thinking
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Needs more spin

They should spin it into a PR boost.

If you're a lucky customer who lives on a street we've rigged with celebratory customer satisfaction fireworks and they go off, you win U-Verse service for 1 year free*!!

*Free only if you or a member of the residence sustains injury from the winners fireworks. By accepting the service all subsequent rights to file suit are waived.
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cow116 Cisco Kid Premium join:2003-03-10 Carmel, IN clubs:	Re: Needs more spin rofl
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evilghost join:2003-11-22 Springville, AL	AT&T will pass on the bill... Now appearing on your AT&T bill: Battery Replacement Fee - $3.29 Environment Handling Fee - $1.30
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newview Ex .. Ex .. Exactly Premium join:2001-10-01 Parsonsburg, MD	Sounds like it will be another line item AT&T will probably just add this to your bill: Avestor Battery Replacement - $2.99
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dslwanter Cablewanter Premium join:2002-12-16 Lowellville, OH	Well You have to admit it would be cool to see one combust.
	permalink · 2008-01-15 10:56:37 ·

FicmanS Premium join:2005-01-11 Brownsburg, IN clubs:	Re: Well SOMEBODY must have some video of this somewhere, I was thinking the same thing...lol
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dslwanter Cablewanter Premium join:2002-12-16 Lowellville, OH ·AT&T Midwest ·AT&T Yahoo	Re: Well Oh boy, I'm flying, this internet is fast, I'm on the phone and it sounds good, look at that beautiful picture on TV........BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM.......awe shit!!!! -- "You're as worthless as a screen door on a submarine!" Check out my Internet Radio Station & DJ Service, »www.thebomb102.com.
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wruckman Ruckman.net join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH	Ouch Hate to be someone standing next to that when it goes off. But 4 in 2 years isn't that bad. That is a extremely small failure rate. With zero mortality rate thus far.
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Re: Ouch

Except for the fact that AT&T has been so hell bent on butting them right up to people's homes, fences, yards, etc. So even 1 failure is not acceptable as it damages non-AT&T property.

If they want to blow things up in their own COs and ruin their own property, so be it.

But when they have equipment causing damage to private property, they are open to potentially substantial liabilities. And if someone can prove they knowingly did not take action to prevent such from happening, that's a lawsuit mega-judgment just waiting to happen.

}Davoice

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wruckman Ruckman.net join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH	Re: Ouch They should pass the liability off to the battery manufacturer.
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koolkid1563 Premium,MVM join:2005-11-06 Powell, WY clubs:	Re: Ouch They can't because the company no longer exists.
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wruckman Ruckman.net join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH	Re: Ouch HAHA! Isn't that convenient. So, your saying that people can start a business and sell substandard and dangerous parts then close shop and not be liable?
	permalink · 2008-01-15 11:39:20 ·

davoice join:2000-08-12 Saxapahaw, NC ·RoadRunner Cable	Re: Ouch Yep. That's exactly what we're saying. Once the company files bankruptcy and liquidates, there is nothing left to file a claim against. You can try to sue the company's principles/founders/former employees but most courts won't let you get far with that unless you can prove that specific person was personally responsible for the negligence. }Davoice
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wruckman Ruckman.net join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH	Re: Ouch The law is a joke.
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said by wruckman

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HAHA! Isn't that convenient. So, your saying that people can start a business and sell substandard and dangerous parts then close shop and not be liable?

Uh that's the American way, man. Look at a lot of construction companies. They are shells. When the problems with defective home construction comes up down the road, they are gone, Hausta la vista, nobody to hold liable. Same with so many companies. Don't even start me talking about trucking companies....
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wruckman Ruckman.net join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH	Re: Ouch No wonder why American made is always crap.
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koolkid1563 Premium,MVM join:2005-11-06 Powell, WY clubs: ·AT&T U-Verse	Re: Ouch Wasn't Avestor a Canadian company though? »tyler.blogware.com/blog/_archive···013.html "Another Canadian energy-storage player bites the dust. Avestor, a Boucherville, Quebec-based maker of lithium-metal-polymer batteries, has let go of 260 employees and closed the doors of its manufacturing plant just outside of Montreal."
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When they landed the at&t deal they probably thought they had it made, and the future was secured... but like many small companies find out when dealing with a monster company, is it's a lot like dancing with the devil. They can put you under and out in no time. Just ask many small manufacturers who made deals with Wal-Mart....
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Actually, American made always isn't crap. In fact we engineer or introduce some of the very best made products, anywhere... in fact companies here in the USA are leading the world in advanced new battery design and future concepts.... problem is, while many foreign companies understand quality and reliability are important, and so start manufacturing them properly, here in the USA often COST is the most important factor, and ways to cut corners or make it cheaper are often sought after over quality and reliability... making them... well, as you put it, crap.
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Sammer join:2005-12-22 Pittsburgh, PA	The battery manufacturer went bankrupt in 2006! U-Verse is all about AT&T being cheap rather than biting the bullet and admitting they need more fiber.
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Davebo_ join:2002-11-19 Canada	They are bankrupt and closed - have you even read the article, or are you headline surfing?
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davoice join:2000-08-12 Saxapahaw, NC	Remember... the manufacturer went bankrupt. Avestor is g o n e. That left AT&T holding the bag alone. }Davoice
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KA3SGM - -... ...- - Premium join:2006-01-17 West Chester, PA clubs: ·Verizon FIOS	Re: Ouch said by davoice : That left AT&T holding the bag alone. I wouldn't want to be holding that bag, it too might spontaneously combust. Lithium, gotta love those reactive alkaline metals. -- "Lithium is no longer available on credit"
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Define_Easement @bellsouth.com	said by davoice : ...If they want to blow things up in their own COs and ruin their own property, so be it... I somehow doubt that AT&T "wanted" anything to blow up. And if it blew up on an easement, then technically it is on their own property...
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Re: Ouch

Problem is that damage may not be confined to the easement. If you find the rest of the photos from the documents events to date, you'll see it also caused some damage to surrounding home garages, siding, plant beds and fences. Those items are not within the easement.

You can see the melted home siding here:
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···10&site=

And what you also see in that photo is the new fence AT&T erected for the homeowner to replace the section that was blown out when the cabinet exploded. Had that been a car parked on the side of the house, they would have been replacing a front grill, hood and windshield instead of a fence. And if someone had been in the yard behind that fence when it happened they likely would be facing a wrongful death lawsuit.

To turn this into a major lawsuit and a PR nightmare, all that needed to happen was for that vinyl siding to catch fire and kill someone's sleeping child.

AT&T's lawyers aren't stupid. They see what's coming if these batteries aren't replaced and something else happens.

}Davoice

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Kearnstd Elf Wizard join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	i guess this is the cost of Explosive growth of a service.... -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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datwell1 join:2002-01-08 Falls Church, VA ·Verizon FIOS	Overpriced! Dear AT&T: This is just one more example of AT&T's poor management, including the U-Verse FTTC architecture. Friendly regulators and brand recognition simply cannot carry incompetence forever. Their stock is 'way overpriced IMHO. Just my two cents. ---Doug
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kaboom..more fees....thanks AT&T.

i live in the area where the VRAD exploded and it is in a high traffic area of Wauwatosa, a suburb of Milwaukee. It is arrogance on AT&T's part to put these boxes so close to residences. Common sense is something they don't have when it comes to installing equipment.

Best thing to do if your service was down that day due to this is to contact them and ask for a credit on your bill since you were without your service for that period of time.
They will fight you tooth and nail, but if you were in that area where the DSLAM was affected it is your right to ask for it.

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Mr Anon @sbcglobal.net	Re: kaboom..more fees....thanks AT&T. They need to provide emergency services.
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said by g4brokemke

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It is arrogance on AT&T's part to put these boxes so close to residences. Common sense is something they don't have when it comes to installing equipment.

This is true...BUT, it's also childish to think it arrogant to place such things IN THE UTILITY EASEMENT. Where else would they put them ? Negotiate individual leases with property owners for every box ??

Now, just maybe if the home builders or subdivision developers didn't jam houses up against said easements, there would be more room.
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macken385 @sbcglobal.net	Cabinets (RT) have been around since 1987,(retired now) in my 40 years with ATT, 20 dealing directly with cabinets, I have never seen a cabinet explode. Clearly this is a case of thermal runaway related to this avestor battery. I would like to know if these installations used thermal probes?
	permalink · 2008-01-17 22:19:13 ·

koma3504 Advocate Premium join:2004-06-22 North Richland Hills, TX	I wonder I wonder if this could be the cause of my sluggish dsl. And computer reboots etc... As i think the RT im on has the Uverse equipment.
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guhuna .5 ohm strapped Premium join:2001-03-31 Discovery Bay, CA ·PAXIO ·SONIC.NET ·Pacific Bell - SBC	Re: I wonder Nah, all your problems are on YOUR end. Ya an RT causing reboots.
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koma3504 Advocate Premium join:2004-06-22 North Richland Hills, TX	Re: I wonder & how do you know this??? The article mentions faulty eletrical. which could then emit back though the copper and i have found the Ma on my line excedding over 100Ma way out of the 22-24 Ma standerd
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guhuna .5 ohm strapped Premium join:2001-03-31 Discovery Bay, CA	Re: I wonder dude, you need to step away from your computer. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy.
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Re: I wonder

I never said a thing about a conspiracy....
In this tread of mine
»[XP] Can someone give any clues???
I have posted that ever since I am using a Cable connection I have not had any computer reboots.
So there must be some kind of connection.
Same hardware with the exception of the Modem. However if you read the other tread I ruled that out by swopping out the Netopia for a 2 wire unit I have and the problem still existed.

I mearly Asked/Suggested that maybee it is tied to my problem A simple explanation of the problem. As is the other suggestion of the Transformer that feeds it could also be the problem. FYI: straigh from A line technition for TXU electric maintence dept. you can **** things up under volting just as well as overvolting.

which could explain the 100,000's malformed packets I seen.
And you act like I am out right accusing Att of something.
And that is not the case here.
It is a well known fact that if the electrical is faulty or you are even getting undervoltage it could constanly reboot your computer. But that is not the case Here on location. As i have checked it with a True RMS meter and I have checked time and over the amperage on every circuit @ the location.
So its not to far fetched to assume that if the RT had a electrical problem it can be carried downline/upstream.
However you like to put it.
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bassthumpa Premium join:2000-12-26 Austin, TX ·AT&T U-Verse ·AT&T Southwest	said by koma3504 : I wonder if this could be the cause of my sluggish dsl. And computer reboots etc... As i think the RT im on has the Uverse equipment. No, don't even start with that.
	permalink · 2008-01-15 14:29:01 ·

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$ One battery at a time... $

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Ah, slogans.. unfortunately, it's hard to bury old advertising when the company name hasn't changed like Verizon, MCI, Bell Atlantic, GTE, etc..

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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK ·Cox HSI ·AT&T Southwest edit: January 15th, @10:17PM	Re: your world.. value...the company that will bring it to you.. at&t VRAD explosion? »www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPz5mx_1AM
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ninjatutle join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA	I'll take all of those unwanted batteries That would be one heck of a power backup system.
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factchecker @cox.net	Re: I'll take all of those unwanted batteries Until your house/apartment burns to the ground... All you would need is one bad battery and that's what you'll get.
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ninjatutle join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA	Re: I'll take all of those unwanted batteries I've already lost a limb. Do you think I'm scared of a little puff of smoke
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factchecker @cox.net	Re: I'll take all of those unwanted batteries said by ninjatutle : I've already lost a limb. Do you think I'm scared of a little puff of smoke I don't about you, but third degree heat burns and chemical burns to match are enough of a deterrent. This coming from someone who has survived a house fire with only a serious dose of smoke inhalation.
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tkdslr join:2004-04-24 Pompano Beach, FL ·Speakeasy	said by ninjatutle : That would be one heck of a power backup system. Same here.... They'll probably be ok. It's my bet that AT&T's battery management circuits were somewhat screwed up. Lithium Bat's really don't like overcharging. some info on charging them. »www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
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Pv8man999 @wideopenwest.com	Ya, then your house would disintegrate from one of them exploding right next to all of them
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wruckman Ruckman.net join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH	50 feet? That isn't even the distance to a pitchers mound from home plate. Can't be that bad.
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wruckman Ruckman.net join:2007-10-25 Northwood, OH	Re: 50 feet? Ah, won't hurt that bad. It may feel good.
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said by Lyserjic

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In A.D. 2005, fiber war was beginning...

Customer:What happen?
AT&T: Somebody set up us the bomb!
Customer: We get signal.
AT&T: What!
Customer: Main screen turn on.
Customer: It's you!!
FiOS: How are you gentlemen!!
FiOS: All your base are belong to us.
FiOS: You are on the way to destruction.

I lol'd so hard.
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