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Half a billion more expensive, one million fewer homes...
(old news - 06:10PM Tuesday Nov 06 2007)
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A regulatory filing has revealed that AT&T will be spending $500,000,000 more than expected on U-Verse deployment, while noting that the VDSL-based IPTV service would be available to one million fewer people by the end of 2008 than previously projected. AT&T now says that between January of '07 and the end of '08, they'll spend between $4.5 and $5 billion to reach 17 million of their customers.

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That's the second time this year those deployment numbers have been revised, as the company dropped projected deployment down from 19 million to 18 million last May. Originally, when AT&T was still SBC, then-named "Project Lightspeed" was supposed to service 18 million customers by the end of 2007.

We won't get into "Project Pronto."

According to AT&T, the higher deployment cost is being added to the budget that will bring U-Verse into BellSouth territory, something we discussed with the company last month. AT&T has told us that the first BellSouth market to see U-Verse will be Atlanta, where the telco will launch the service before the end of the year.

Additional details on AT&T's U-Verse plans for Bellsouth territory will be revealed during an analyst conference on December 11. AT&T's third quarter results indicate they currently have more than 136,000 U-Verse customers, and are installing the service in roughly 10,000 homes per week.

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haamster
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Typo?

Half a million or half a billion?

TK Junk Mail
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November 6th, @05:39PM

Re: Typo?

said by haamster See Profile :

Half a million or half a billion?
The 1/2 billion number is correct. The $4.5 to $5 million number later in the paragraph is the error.

EDIT: Karl has now corrected it.

That should have read $4.5 to $ 5 BILLION.

»www.reuters.com/article/technolo···Number=1
The top U.S. phone company said it expects total spending on the service from January 2007 through the end of 2008 to be between $4.5 billion and $5.0 billion, up $500 million from its previous outlook.

en102
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Too many issues...

Besides the typical '25Mbps isn't enough' or '50 year old copper' issues, there are / have been functionality issues with the basic service itself.

- Having to spend a day having your house wired with CAT 5 (doesn't sound 'bad'), but looks like existing RG 59U/6 isn't recommended.
- Overall stability issues with RG, requiring rebooting.
- Patch/Maint. Windows (it is running MS Windows CE )
- Outages (nationwide)
- Use of wireless USB on specific channels only.

Standard issues of the single channel of HD, 6Mbps/1Mbps over interleaved are basic issues preventing purchasing.. these are causing people to cancel/leave.
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NormanS
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Re: Too many issues...

said by en102 See Profile :

Besides the typical '25Mbps isn't enough' or '50 year old copper' issues...
50 year old copper? Here? The house, itself, is only 42 years old. I guess Pacific Telephone predicted a development in this old orchard, and laid out the copper 8 years before the houses were even built.

(Not counting that the copper isn't really even 5 months old. Yet. All new when they conditioned the neighborhood for U-Verse. New than the old ATTBI digital coax which Comcast took over about three years ago.)
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en102
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Re: Too many issues...

Technically speaking, the copper to my house is a little over a year old. I put in the 'quotes' as I expected a response or two from those that call it "tired / warn out etc."

They've actually been reconditioning the lines in my HOA tract (built in 1970) for the past 3 months and typically knock out my line daily for a few minutes.

I'm personally not worried about the last ~1200' (that's about what it is for me) to the VRAD. I'm more worried about the immaturity of the over IPTV product as a whole, fiber or VDSL. Reading all the issues over on »utalk.att.com and »uverseusers.com, I think I'll wait a while.
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NormanS
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Re: Too many issues...

I think I am going to cop a "sour grapes" attitude. I believe we are just beyond the AT&T 3128 foot limit (by a few feet); but I am not really sure I want to give up DirecTV for U-Verse, anyway.
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en102
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Re: Too many issues...

I wouldn't mind bundling VoIP, Internet and Wireless, but I don't think I'm ready for putting my TV service on IPTV through Uverse.
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cwh

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San Antonio, TX

-coax is still the preferred method if install. IF the coax is not up to speed, then it more than likely will get replaced with cat5.
-installs appear to be function of new employees and that time is dropping as they gain experience.
-Had Uverse for about 18 months now, cant say i have had any problems that required rebooting the RG. While it is probably still work in progress, it has been quite stable.
-patch/maint window has just not been a problem either.
-Yeah there was a national outage, but that is the only time in the past year it has been down. Not a deal killer and still more reliable than my previous provider.

Overall I think most people here are not giving the service a fair shake. It far better than what it is made out to be on here.

en102
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Re: Too many issues...

I think it has potential. I'm just not going to be an early adopter. I've had only a few minutes of outage on DirecTv in the past 4 1/2 years. As tech's have been rewiring my street since July/August and are still out here daily (contractors), there's no rush for me to jump from 'what works' to 'what should work'.
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Rick
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"coax is still the preferred method of install"

lol..couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, why deal with uverse at all when someone can get the real deal all the way?
Let's face it CWH. While perhaps verizon has ftth..thats a very long and VERY expensive process to get it to everyone in their service area. Will they become significant enough in time and will those costs be recovered quickly enough?
That remains to be seen. But at least THEY are really competing..or trying to anyway with the cable industry.

And, vice versa. It's fios that is also helping drive innovation in the cable industry as well I believe.

And then, there's the cable co's. Fiber..to the node..and an excellant medium in the form of very high quality and durable coaxial to the home.
Even most FTTH installs connect to coaxial as well.
Because it WORKS...and works well.
You said it yourself above.

And then, sadly, and more sadly by the day..there is AT&T.
Fiber to a vrad hanging off telephone polls at street level in Ct....connected to ...lol..my god...that tired old crap that couldn't even get me a good phone signal in the last town i lived in. That line that couldn't even get me dsl at ANY of my last two address...and even metro ones at that.

But NOW....you and others still promote this god awful crap as being a viable medium to not only bring that..but to ALSO bring TV and phone to people as well?

CWH..why not just connect the fiber to a string and tin can and lets get it over with.

CWH..the service as it stands today is just not anything that should be rolled out widespread. It's a piss poor example of a failure of a company that can EASILY afford to do the job right the first time.
Will you and others PLEASE stop making excuses for this failure of a service?

Join myself and others in DEMANDING that we consumers who are unlucky lottery winners in living in their service area not have to be treated to this horrible excuse for a company that should have done this job right years ago..but only now is sweating to try to catch up to a boat that has long ago left shore.

CWH...this is at&t's NEXT generation product and it's ALREADY running at 1/3rd the speeds comcast, fios and others already are TODAY.

Docsis 3.0 is going to bury this service. Verizons 20/20 fios service already is.

You know this. Anyone with a brain cell in their mind knows this who is the least bit informed on this website.
But yet..you make excuses after excuses for them.

CWH..they could pay CASH for a nationwide fiber to the home rollout this year. CASH. That is the financial condition of at&t as it stands now.

They need to tell their shareholders that this MUST be done. They need to end this horrible example of the worst that an American company that SHOULD be better is trying to shove down we consumers throats.

AT&T customers..potential customers..EMPLOYEES...SHAREHOLDERS...UNIONS..and everyone should be joining together with ONE voice to demand this.

This is NOT about cable fans wanting to see att FAIL..it's about wanting to see them SUCCEED. Because we ALL need good choice. And AT&T FTTH is the ONLY thing that will provide us as consumers that choice and real innovation.

CWH...don't you REMEMBER your predictions from last year..made here on this website..in response to my posts?
CWH..ONE year later..this company barely has over 100,000 customers for this pitiful example of a service.
I TOLD you this was going to happen.
I TOLD you it was a failure...and YOU said just watch.
Just wait.. you will SEE Rick.

Well CWH..I have seen. And I don't want to see anymore.

It's too painful. Too obvious.

And to damn apparent that exactly what I said..exactly what I predicted..is all happening just as I said it would.

CWH...at&t has the money to do this job right.

Start expecting them to spend it.
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ptrowski
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Re: Too many issues...

It may be copper, but last time I checked they were not using Sandvine or delaying my packets.

en102
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Re: Too many issues...

LOL
Wether its cable fiber to the node, or AT&T fiber to the node (--
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said by Rick See Profile :

And then, sadly, and more sadly by the day..there is AT&T.
Fiber to a vrad hanging off telephone polls at street level in Ct...
All the VRADs I have seen in San José, California, are firmly planted on the ground. Mostly adjacent to B-Boxes; a couple adjacent to RTs.
...connected to ...lol..my god...that tired old crap that couldn't even get me a good phone signal in the last town i lived in. That line that couldn't even get me dsl at ANY of my last two address...and even metro ones at that.
Doing fine with voice and DSL, here. Pro package; 3M/.5M. It has been as reliable as cable.
But NOW....you and others still promote this god awful crap as being a viable medium to not only bring that..but to ALSO bring TV and phone to people as well?
I won't go that far; but it does seem to be working for the Japanese and Koreans. I am reasonably certain that their 100Mbps connections are VDSL bonded pair.
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nasadude

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comparison test

Which technology is the least adequate for 21st century broadband/media delivery:

U-Verse or BPL?

Is it fair to compare U-Verse to BPL?

Regardless, this is the future the FCC is creating for the country.

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Re: comparison test

said by nasadude See Profile :

Which technology is the least adequate for 21st century broadband/media delivery:

U-Verse or BPL?

Is it fair to compare U-Verse to BPL?

Regardless, this is the future the FCC is creating for the country.
They are both inadequate.
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N3OGH
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Both suck....

FTTH is the future, period...
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edit:
November 6th, @06:16PM

Please...

Stay the hell away from my neighborhood ATT!

I'd rather wait till a more competent company comes into my area providing more HD Streams.

I'm happy with my Dish Network (actually, by next week that will be DirecTV with 3 HD boxes!) =]

Granted, U-Verse won't hinder my TV, but it will hinder my internet access. Since U-Verse does not sync at the typical "Max Sync" that bell south uses. I will actually be feeling the overhead on my connection.

I'm happy with my 6.5 down
bogey780

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Covington, LA

Re: Please...

Uhhh....Actually U-Verse is more like Bellsouth's max sync than like AT&T's regular speed profiles.

The plus is you get a whole megabit for upload.

elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO

Cheaper then FTTP...

Guess not heh I said this would happen
AT&T needs to get with the times copper is dead
If only U-verse and FiOS could go head to head lol

en102
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Re: Cheaper then FTTP...

I would say that the copper/VRAD is the least of their problems. RG / STB / Windows CE and IPTV in general are at the problems for those that actually HAVE the service.
I.E. having a sync of 85-100Mbps but no TV service IS an issue. Having the DVR not record what you want IS an issue
Having AT&T drop service for maint./upgrades IS an issue
National outage w/o notification or updates IS an issue

Having POTS wire for the last 1000-2000' isn't as much of an issue as the apps that are going across it.

AT&T couldn't have a city franchise, as they'd have too many complaints from locals
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vinnie97

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bwahaha

I eagerly await a Comcast Rick rant. MAYBE they'll listen now.
bogey780

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Re: bwahaha

There's been too much negative news about FiOS and Comcast so he's on break.
Cyber2lz

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Odessa, FL
I'll bet T is wishing they had invested all those bucks into a fiber deployment less than two years later!

Ok, Rick over to you. God, I love that guy !!!!
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openbox9

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Re: bwahaha

How much has Verizon spent for their FTTH compared to AT&T's projected $5B?

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said by vinnie97 See Profile :

I eagerly await a Comcast Rick rant. MAYBE they'll listen now.
He may have Gave up now.They will pay some dude a million bucks to come up with the same idea they got free from Him(Rick)
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moonfish

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Waiting on Uverse

I could care less about the tv service, I want the conditioned lines and VDSL that comes with it...
kcblack
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Re: Waiting on Uverse

and they still can't tell you when they are going to be in Chicago....

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said by moonfish See Profile :

I could care less about the tv service, I want the conditioned lines and VDSL that comes with it...
Wait, if you COULD care less, that means you actually care.

If you COULDN'T care less, that means you don't give a shit.


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NOCMan
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Blame the falling dollar for this

The bigger makers of equipment that support Project Lightspeed are European and they do not price their products in dollars that's for sure. I'm suprised it's just half a billion actually.

Still in order to provide advanced services they will have to do channel bonding on already flaky runs and they will spend billions of dollars of dealing with outside plant issues. People will find out when it rains their speeds go into the gutter. Hell in desert areas it's really bad when it rains.

Verizon is already reaping the benefits of their new fiber connections. They have 1/10th of the plant issues compared to their copper plant. Given enough time that will pay for a good chunk of the deployed network.
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Re: Blame the falling dollar for this

Might as well do FIOS for that money.

Like my home. All the wire is bad inside and the NID looks real old so they have to replace all that stuff anyway so why not do it right the first time? Cox couldn't even use the wiring since it had shorts for Digital Phone.
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VideoR123

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Brentwood, CA

U-Verse

Had Uverse installed on the 31st,October I am I believe about 4000 feet away from the VRAD in a new development in Tracy, CA.
The techs did an excellent job I already had cat 5 but they did run one Cat5e from my smart box to one of my rooms.
took them two days to get it right but the service is great. Tv is far better than cable or dish except the HD on my 58 # plasma with U-Verse sometimes looks flat without any depth
But I am pretty happy with it 3 receivers plus 6MB/1Mb internet service for $ 129.00 is far cheaper than comcast or dish.
sensualpoet

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Toronto, ON

Re: U-Verse

At $5 billion for 17 million "homes passed" that's around $300 per (potential) customer. That's actually not too bad. There are additional costs to make each connection -- including 1 or 2 guys doing a 4 or 5 hr install and the hardware that goes into the home.

At one point this was closer to $1000 per home passed, so this is a significant improvement.

It's still hard to figure the benefit to AT&T; this is definitely a long-term investment and several years before it pays off.

$130/mth less amortizing the hardware less amortizing the install costs less paying the programming for the TV content less paying Yahoo! for the Internet services ... it doesn't leave much room for "profit".

At 150,0000 customers so far, they must be looking at at least $20,000 per customer to date. This baby better scale big-time if they are ever to make back their investment.

Mr Anon

@il.us

Can't convience anyone, don't care too.

I don't like my Comcast service and I know someone else in my Condo that doesn't either. After fixing their router I told them about the fact that there is a VRAD on the same block as us and when the service goes live what it will bring.

I don't care if he gets the service or if people give it an fair look. I believe that ATT will not ditch this service no matter what unless they decided to go FTTH in which case the servcie will be either grandfathered in or converted first.

Without the possibility for a Dish, no real fear of the service being dumped and faster internet I've been ready to purchase it since I spotted it.
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