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| Of course... With the "unlimited" plan wars starting to flare up, they're probably worried that their bread and butter messaging rackets will be hurt. It's absolutely outrageous what providers charge for SMS and MMS, but as long as the vast majority of people are willing to pay for it, I guess there's no point in complaining.
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Don't ask | Re: Of course... I'm with Roger's here in Canada, and have stopped all features; clid, vmail, sms etc. Down to $12/ month. But I have to say, I don't use my cell much. No more rape for services. | |
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Xela19115
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| Paying for incoming messages? What I don't understand is why the carriers are forcing customers to pay for incoming messages? At least with an incoming phone call I have an option of using a caller ID and accepting or rejecting a call. With a SMS/MMS messages I get them no matter what and forced to pay. And calling customer service and haggling over 15-20 cents for an unsolicited message is usually not worth my time. I guess that is where the catch is. Carriers probably count on that and make a killing.
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pnh102
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| Re: Paying for incoming messages? said by Xela19115  :What I don't understand is why the carriers are forcing customers to pay for incoming messages? What is so hard to understand? They make money off incoming text messages.
Most cell phone providers want to charge a premium for texting so that they can provide a nasty incentive for customers to upgrade to a higher-tier calling plan that includes a certain number of text messages. Either they make money by charging a premium for each message, or they make money by charging an extra monthly rate for a fixed number of text messages a month.
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Xela19115
join:2000-10-06
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·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Paying for incoming messages? said by pnh102 :said by Xela19115 :What I don't understand is why the carriers are forcing customers to pay for incoming messages? What is so hard to understand? They make money off incoming text messages. Most cell phone providers want to charge a premium for texting so that they can provide a nasty incentive for customers to upgrade to a higher-tier calling plan that includes a certain number of text messages. Either they make money by charging a premium for each message, or they make money by charging an extra monthly rate for a fixed number of text messages a month. And until such business practices and pricing structures are tolerated by customeers the wireless services in the US will be far behind those of Far East and Europe. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: Paying for incoming messages? said by Xela19115 :And until such business practices and pricing structures are tolerated by customeers the wireless services in the US will be far behind those of Far East and Europe. I wouldn't say our mobile technology is that far behind anymore. It just took longer for us to catch up because landline service in the USA was always cheaper and easier to get than landline service abroad. It was only very recently in the USA that using a cell phone exclusively became more economically justifiable.
We use the same GSM-based service available abroad. 3G is also being deployed in many parts of the USA as we speak. At least on the GSM side of things we can use just about any quad-band phone that we want with no problem at all.
Of course, GSM-based services in the USA still have a ways to go to catch up the CDMA-based high speed Internet services.
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LiamJunket
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| said by pnh102 :said by Xela19115 :What I don't understand is why the carriers are forcing customers to pay for incoming messages? What is so hard to understand? They make money off incoming text messages. Most cell phone providers want to charge a premium for texting so that they can provide a nasty incentive for customers to upgrade to a higher-tier calling plan that includes a certain number of text messages. Either they make money by charging a premium for each message, or they make money by charging an extra monthly rate for a fixed number of text messages a month. Or you can do what I do. And that is set the option to not accept incoming text msgs. That way you don't pay anything for text msgs. But if you want to send and receive text msgs, than buy a monthly plan that allows them and don't pay per msg.
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| Re: Paying for incoming messages? said by LiamJunket :But if you want to send and receive text msgs, than buy a monthly plan that allows them and don't pay per msg. Thankfully AT&T hasn't forced me to upgrade my "Media Net Unlimited" plan. 
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| said by LiamJunket :Or you can do what I do. And that is set the option to not accept incoming text msgs. That way you don't pay anything for text msgs. Sure. And if you're having pain in your arm, just amputate the arm. Problem solved? | |
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| Re: Paying for incoming messages? said by quatrix :said by LiamJunket :Or you can do what I do. And that is set the option to not accept incoming text msgs. That way you don't pay anything for text msgs. Sure. And if you're having pain in your arm, just amputate the arm. Problem solved? Some one wants to talk to me they can call the phone # and speak. And if it isn't important or urgent, they can email me. What have I missed by not getting a text msg?
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| Re: Paying for incoming messages? said by LiamJunket :Some one wants to talk to me they can call the phone # and speak. And if it isn't important or urgent, they can email me. What have I missed by not getting a text msg? That is my take on it. You have the dang phone in your hands already. You could call say what needs to be said and hang up in less time then it takes to type out a message in broken english. I would love to disable text, email, im, internet, camera, games, wallpapers, screen savers, and every other useless money sucking feature on the phone and go back to just having a phone again.
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What If
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| Re: Paying for incoming messages? said by Brazbit :said by LiamJunket :Some one wants to talk to me they can call the phone # and speak. And if it isn't important or urgent, they can email me. What have I missed by not getting a text msg? That is my take on it. You have the dang phone in your hands already. You could call say what needs to be said and hang up in less time then it takes to type out a message in broken english. I would love to disable text, email, im, internet, camera, games, wallpapers, screen savers, and every other useless money sucking feature on the phone and go back to just having a phone again. heh...then you'd hate me cause I love my blackberry! Texting has its advantages and no, the time it takes me to punch out a quick txt is LESS than it takes to make a call, wait for 5 rings, then wait for VM and then finally leave a message. screw that. | |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by Xela19115 :What I don't understand is why the carriers are forcing customers to pay for incoming messages? At least with an incoming phone call I have an option of using a caller ID and accepting or rejecting a call. With a SMS/MMS messages I get them no matter what and forced to pay. And calling customer service and haggling over 15-20 cents for an unsolicited message is usually not worth my time. I guess that is where the catch is. Carriers probably count on that and make a killing. my only beef with t mobile
they WONT shut off text messaging so you have to PAY for incoming text spams!
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| said by Xela19115 :What I don't understand is why the carriers are forcing customers to pay for incoming messages? Carriers probably count on that and make a killing. Exactly. Not a nice game I agree.  | |
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join:2002-12-11
Afton, OK
| said by Xela19115 :What I don't understand is why the carriers are forcing customers to pay for incoming messages? And calling customer service and haggling over 15-20 cents for an unsolicited message is usually not worth my time. I guess that is where the catch is. Carriers probably count on that and make a killing. the actual bandwidth used costs very little, the profit margins on these kinds of hikes are truly epic.
Of course, consumers seem more than willing to pay for it.
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Not true on consumers seem "more than willing".
While it is true the Cell Phone has become an everyday item of neccessity putting up with bogus charges will not be.
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL |  Breach of contract?
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bobjohnson
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Titusville, FL
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| Re: Breach of contract? said by Gilitar :Wouldn't this change constitute a breach of contract? If so I'm taking my business elsewhere. I thought the contracts say that prices and offers etc. are subject to change with notice?? | |
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1 edit | Re: Breach of contract? said by bobjohnson :said by Gilitar :Wouldn't this change constitute a breach of contract? If so I'm taking my business elsewhere. I thought the contracts say that prices and offers etc. are subject to change with notice?? I don't have the contract to look at at the moment. Does anyone know?
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| Re: Breach of contract? said by Gilitar :said by bobjohnson :said by Gilitar :Wouldn't this change constitute a breach of contract? If so I'm taking my business elsewhere. I thought the contracts say that prices and offers etc. are subject to change with notice?? I don't have the contract to look at at the moment. Does anyone know? I seem to remember that the last time this happened it was a breach of contract. Sorry, I'll answer my own question... They can only change people in contract if you change anything and update your contract... They can just change month 2 month subs with notice... I looked at my old nextel contract, and come to think about it I still have the nextel national 1000 for 45.99, i'm sure sprint would have changed it if they could looking at their pricing now.. | |
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Mobile, AL | Re: Breach of contract? So if they change my SMS pricing I have an out. Nice to know. | |
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morbo
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clubs: | Re: Breach of contract? if there is a limit to the number of messages allowed in a "package", meaning there is a chance you could go over the limit, then it is a material breach of contract. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Breach of contract? The contracts do not come with any required commitment to any messaging 'package', if I'm not mistaken.
Eg. 450 + rollover = contracted (2 year)
Messaging = add on feature (package?) of 'none', pay per use (now $0.30), and what other media packages / bundles that you add. They are not part of the wireless contract.
Don't confuse a monthly add on feature which has its own rates to your one or two year wireless contract for service. The only basis for a messaging package/feature usage is that you have service.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Breach of contract? said by morbo :package or no package: this is a material change to the contract. To what contract? There are no contract term rates for pay per use messaging. Messaging is a la carte.
The options for a la carte messaging are:
- None (i.e. disabled, which is how I have mine)
- Pay per use, in which rates are subject to change
- Bundled (i.e. 200 texts for $4.99)
»www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-···.jsp#gsm
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Pricing/Taxes/No Proration: Final month's charges are not prorated. Prices are subject to change. Prices do not include taxes.
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| Re: Breach of contract? said by en102 :- Pay per use, in which rates are subject to change - Bundled (i.e. 200 texts for $4.99) changing the price of messages is breaking the contract. simply saying "prices are subject to change" does not give AT&T a free pass for changing the prices. changing the price has consequences. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA
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| Re: Breach of contract? This is no different than me having a 2 year satellite contract for TV service and during that period seeing pay-per view price change for a boxing match or NFL/NHL items changing during that time. The pay-per view was not part of the contract rate there was no contract stating that that item was
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b) set to a specific rate, never to change
Show me where in the contract that it states that PPU messaging is part of any contract for AT&T.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA
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| Re: Breach of contract? You can also disable messaging on your cell phone.
The U.S. industry is a pain for 'opt-out'. If they don't give you any form of disabling messages, or charge extra to have messaging disabled (parental controls) then yeah, they'd have a lawsuit, and I'd be joining it.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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1 edit | Re: Breach of contract? Yup - messaging is on by default - I had to disable mine when I migrated from AT&T Wireless (Free inbound messages) to Cingular/AT&T. If they would not have let me, I would have sued. They should have a disable text option... it would solve this.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by bobjohnson :said by Gilitar :Wouldn't this change constitute a breach of contract? If so I'm taking my business elsewhere. I thought the contracts say that prices and offers etc. are subject to change with notice?? it does but since THEY changed the rates, you can get out without an ETF!
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Miami Beach, FL
| Re: Remember when... said by PhoenixDown :ATT Wireless (blue) had free incoming text messages and 5 cent outbound text messages? Those were the days just after the period when you had to walk uphill both ways to school. geez, I remember back in the day when omnipoint came into town and set up the first GSM network in town. They had no idea to even charge for SMS messaging. Granted, no other carrier had two-way text messaging and you could only exchange SMS's with other omnipoint customers...
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Miami Beach, FL
| Speaking of the law falling behind the times, just look at all those pay services on cell phones that are hooked to the text messaging services! That area seems grossly unregulated as you can send one simple text message to a number and get charged almost $10 if not more, and some of them end up as repeating monthly charges with little or no notification that you are doing so in neither the text message itself nor in the type/format of number (its not like 1-900 or 976 ). That whole business seems sneaky and targeted towards naive kids.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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| What a joke I have no idea what paying by the message is like, as I've had unlimited messaging on all four of my lines for $10/mo for years. No, not $10/mo/each line, $10/mo for all four lines, unlimited SMS/MMS.
And hell, it's worth it just for the teenager, let alone us three adults.
Horay T-mobile.
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jimbo48
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Hayward, CA
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| Incoming Text Messages I have no use for text messaging either in or out and resent that these cellphone providers charge for incoming text messages. Just because my cellphone can send/accept texting doesn't mean I want it or use it. I'm not under a contract anymore -paid my two years and am on a month to month basis so I can say screw it anytime I want if I want to put up with another round of hassles with yet another inept cellphone service provider. I don't "need" a cellphone that bad to put up with extortion. | |
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AT&T SMS/MMS Hikes Come Later This Month
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There ought to be a law
The laws related to digital communication media have fallen far behind physical communications. If I send someone an a message via snail mail, the USPS does not charge the recipient the cost of delivering the message. If the message is sent postage due the recipient does not have to accept it. Unfortunately our legislature will not enact laws prohibiting any corporation from charging customers for incoming traffic via their wireless services, if the corporation provides adequate campaign contributions to our politicians. Our legislature should enact laws prohibiting any company providing communication services from charging a customer for incoming traffic whether it be Voice, SMS Text or Advertising downloaded by websites via a customers Wireless Data Service. The only exception would be customers who by contractual agreement accept the cost of incoming traffic as in toll free voice service where the recipent pays.
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