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AT&T Scrambles For Possibility Of Verizon iPhone
We'll see how that churn holds up if/when iPhone users have option to flee...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 31-Mar-2010 tags: competition · coverage · business · bandwidth · networking · consumers · wireless
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2009 was of course jam packed with people complaining about the performance of the iPhone on AT&T's network -- at least in congested markets like New York and The Bay Area. After taking a serious beating in the press, AT&T quickly got to work adding more backhaul and cell sites, converting their markets to 850Mhz, and according to a new report from Wall Street Journal this week, working more closely with Apple on ways to make the iPhone a little more efficient in terms of network use. According to the website, Apple engineers got a "crash course" from AT&T in networking:

At times, the carrier has gotten help from Apple. Last year, as its network came under heavy strain, AT&T flew Mr. Stankey and Mr. Donovan to California. Their job: assure Steve Jobs they were working on the problems and to provide Apple designers with a crash course in wireless networking. Apple rejiggered how its phones communicate with AT&T's towers. As a result, the phones now put less of a load on the network for such simple tasks as finding the closest tower or checking for available text messages.

The Journal got a lot of attention for this article yesterday, namely because it rekindled the rather obvious rumor -- for what really is about the fifty-seventh time -- that the iPhone should eventually make the leap to Verizon. AT&T has one of the lowest customer defection (churn) rates in the industry, and while AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson spent 2009 pretending this was because of the AT&T network -- it was because of the cult of Apple. Should AT&T lose iPhone exclusivity, the AT&T network will of course be put to direct comparison with Verizon in terms of iPhone performance, so AT&T is apparently scrambling.

AT&T tells Broadband Reports that so far their efforts have involved adding 1,900 new cell sites, installing more than 100,000 new backhaul connections (that's four times the number installed in 2008), doubling the number of towers served by fiber (as opposed to T1), pushing overall coverage out further to serve 360 markets, or roughly 75 percent of the population, and deployed HSPA 7.2 software at all of the company's 3G (though not EDGE) towers.

"While this upgrade is not expected to provide a noticeable immediate boost in average speeds until backhaul is in place, it does result in a better overall customer experience by generally improving consistency in accessing data sessions," AT&T's Seth Bloom says about the 7.2 HSPA software upgrade. "It also prepares the network for faster speeds and increases network efficiency." You of course need a 7.2 HSPA-capable phone to take full advantage of those speeds.

So far it appears that the efforts are paying dividends. Tests earlier this year by PC World show a marked improvement in iPhone performance, though other studies from JD Power and Associates indicate the company still lags in terms of call quality. While anecdotal of course, the number of dropped iPhone calls we've experienced in the NYC area has dropped considerably. It's pretty clear AT&T is listening.

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HA

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I am on a local baby bell network...

If this hits verizon Ill finally go to the evil side..i want fast data and clear voice...

en102
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competition for this ... is actually good, IMO.

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Should AT&T lose iPhone exclusivity, the AT&T network will of course be put to direct comparison with Verizon in terms of iPhone performance, so AT&T is apparently scrambling.
Good. While it isn't bad here, a little competition in this area won't hurt.
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Not all of it's towers

"deployed HSPA 7.2 software at all of the company's towers."
It only deployed the software to its 3G towers.
They did not upgrade all of their towers to 3G as the statement above would seem to indicate.
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Re: Not all of it's towers

Ah yes, correct, AT&T actually said "all of our 3G towers," so I'll correct that. Thank you.

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Re: Not all of it's towers

Here in L.A., where they even deployed a new 3G site 'within' the Valencia Town Center, the best that I can get is 3Mbps. Where's the 7.2 ?
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Re: Not all of it's towers

Drained thanks to the backhaul there being shared with the rest of Los Angeles, I assume.

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said by en102:

Here in L.A., where they even deployed a new 3G site 'within' the Valencia Town Center, the best that I can get is 3Mbps. Where's the 7.2 ?
That's actually really impressive, for a phone.
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Re: Not all of it's towers

it would be impressive if not for the 1500+ms ping. My sprint phone (HTC Hero) does 2.5mbit/1mbit all day long with less than 120ms latency.

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Re: Not all of it's towers

Ya because nobody uses sprint any more. HAHA

en102
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Until I find a WinMo app, I can't really compare Sprint (Treo 800w Rev A).
This app for some reason shows high latency. The Extreme Labs test is ~ 180-250ms typically.
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said by nnaarrnn:

it would be impressive if not for the 1500+ms ping. My sprint phone (HTC Hero) does 2.5mbit/1mbit all day long with less than 120ms latency.
I am not too worried about the ping while browsing on my iPhone.
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Re: Not all of it's towers

I hardly ever use the browser on the phone, i'm more concerned with how well Remote desktop and other time sensitive applications run.

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Re: Not all of it's towers

SSH works as well on the iPhone as it does on the my Sprint Treo 800w. Around here, both work well.

Issues on AT&T: Intermittent lag
Issues on Sprint: EVDO -> 1x often, and if a call of page comes in, session typically drops. (does drop for calls).
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said by nnaarrnn:

it would be impressive if not for the 1500+ms ping. My sprint phone (HTC Hero) does 2.5mbit/1mbit all day long with less than 120ms latency.
Do you really sit there and play halo on your phone? I highly doubt it. Just surfing the web or downloading apps which is mostly web traffic anyway. Do you really need to worry about ping times?
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Re: Not all of it's towers

In fact I do. I use my phone as a SSH/RDP tool to help me assist my clients. I use it as a personal hotspot, to do the same with my laptop. Latency IS important to some people.
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Exactly. I live in Pennsylvania, in a place with only Edge service and I get a whopping 119K down and 98K up. I'd love to see 3.2M... If I had Verizon, I'd have 3G since AT&T sees no point in upgrading us to 3G here.

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Real world comparison figures would indicate a 3mpbs - 4mbps for a 7.2 connection. You are actually right on the money. That is a very good connection.

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All phones should be unlocked

With the coming of LTE, all phones should unlocked. Really even the iphone should have pick a radio option.

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Re: All phones should be unlocked

I totally agree, but there will have to be a lot of work on chip sets before that will ever happen.

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Verizon Iphone

I have been holding off on buying the iphone because I would then need At&T as my cell phone carrier. I truly hate AT&T and once Verizon gets the Iphone, I will be the first one on line to get one. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Verizon make sure that your loyal customers are offered the Iphone on Verizon plans....

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Re: Verizon Iphone

I am the same way, I been with VZW for a very long time and I also work on the railroad. I work with others that have phones on other carriers, including ones with iPhone and to tell you the truth Verizon probably has the best coverage. The reason why I say this is the railroads don't always follow major highways and interstates. I have been in a lot of places that my phone would work wile others wont. For the last couple of years no matter were I am I have 3G coverage. I have a Droid and so far I don't need a iPhone, hey when I up for upgrade the iPhone may be out but who knows.
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how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

I think it will not be so much AT&T iPhone users fleeing to Verizon in rapid order. I think it will be more that new iPhone users will pick between Verizon and AT&T. Here's the logic:

1) Most obviously, an AT&T iPhone user can't move their existing iPhone to Verizon. So it's at least an equipment change.

2) The rumors are that the "CDMA iPhone" which will work on Verizon won't be available until the beginning of 4Q2010.

3) Most users would not move until their contracts ran out, or at least got to the point where the ETF wasn't prohibitive. So it's not like everyone's going to jump at once, anyway.

4) If, as Karl says, AT&T is actually improving their iPhone user experience (with Apple's help), they have at least six months before users even have the option to dump and jump. That's six more months of improvements. Many users will say, "Well, it's gotten better. No point going to all the trouble of getting a new phone and switching carriers."

In addition, the rumor is that the new advanced iPhone model (iPhone HD?) will only be AT&T. The iPhone for Verizon would be a variation of the existing iPhone 3GS.

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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

That's six more months of improvements.
That also means a new iPhone this Spring that does enough to lock AT&T customers into long-term contracts...so yes. This June iPhone announcement will be all about AT&T retention....
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With the number of android devices coming out, verizon really does not need the iphone that bad. I would say at this point, apple is going to need verizon more than it needs ATT.

Verizon is giving droids away and rapidly gaining marketshare.
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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

ehhh... sorry to say, but in my opinion, it's hard to get the average iPhone user turned on by a droid.. I am one of them, for one.. and I do know many in my own circle that wanted to leave ATT and checked out the droids.. they decided that ATT was worth it to keep their iPhone..

As for Verizon gaining on the droid, I'd really like to see WHO is taking the droid.. I mean, like Sprint, Verizon really never had any 'great choice' for touch screen phones..

In my opinion, still, the droid needs to change (fix/correct) a few things before they can really be on the level of an iPhone.. for one, WHY did they make the wake up button the "end" button.. on my Hero, there is such a delay that I hit the end button to wake up the screen.. nothing happens.. I do it again thinking it isn't going to respond and I ended the calls.. they also need to fix that laggy keyboard.. then again, maybe it's just the HTC with that problem too.. meh.. I'll keep my two iPhones.
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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

I have a Itouch and a Moto Droid. My Droid runs faster than my Itouch. There are no wake up issues with the Droid. Hitting the power button and it lights up in Seconds. When using WIFI as a comparison again my Droid plays video quicker and launching of websites.

What Iphone has going for it is the APP Store.

If you are a fan of running multiple apps that is not an option on the Iphone and is on Android.

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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

said by Big Dawg 23:

I have a Itouch and a Moto Droid. My Droid runs faster than my Itouch. There are no wake up issues with the Droid. Hitting the power button and it lights up in Seconds. When using WIFI as a comparison again my Droid plays video quicker and launching of websites.

What Iphone has going for it is the APP Store.

If you are a fan of running multiple apps that is not an option on the Iphone and is on Android.
Somewhat true. I went to the iPhone so I did not have to carry a cell phone and my iPod Touch at the same time.
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By the time of Verizon's iPhone the multiple apps won't be an issue for comparison 4.0 is supposed to have multitasking, which I am impatiently waiting for.

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said by fiberguy:

for one, WHY did they make the wake up button the "end" button.. on my Hero, there is such a delay that I hit the end button to wake up the screen.. nothing happens.. I do it again thinking it isn't going to respond and I ended the calls..
Droid doesn't have "End" button.You wake it up by pressing hold/power button on the top of it.
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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

said by damn:

said by fiberguy:

for one, WHY did they make the wake up button the "end" button.. on my Hero, there is such a delay that I hit the end button to wake up the screen.. nothing happens.. I do it again thinking it isn't going to respond and I ended the calls..
Droid doesn't have "End" button.You wake it up by pressing hold/power button on the top of it.
ummmmm... are you talking the MOTO droid? or the "droid" phones in general... as I've seen, all the droids (that I've seen) all have the same bottom buttons.. so in the sense of the "hero" for example, you wake up the display by hitting the 'end call' button on the lower right..

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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

said by fiberguy:

said by damn:

said by fiberguy:

for one, WHY did they make the wake up button the "end" button.. on my Hero, there is such a delay that I hit the end button to wake up the screen.. nothing happens.. I do it again thinking it isn't going to respond and I ended the calls..
Droid doesn't have "End" button.You wake it up by pressing hold/power button on the top of it.
ummmmm... are you talking the MOTO droid? or the "droid" phones in general... as I've seen, all the droids (that I've seen) all have the same bottom buttons.. so in the sense of the "hero" for example, you wake up the display by hitting the 'end call' button on the lower right..
Droid and Android are two different things. Yes I'm talking about Motorola Droid and no it doesn't have end button.
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Androids are selling well and there is large market for smart phones, so it can appeal to anyone who does not have to have fruit on their phone.

I recently got an htc eris and it perform pretty well. It could use a faster processor, but it has good battelry life. There is never a lag when it wakes up.
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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

said by cwh:

Androids are selling well and there is large market for smart phones, so it can appeal to anyone who does not have to have fruit on their phone.
And that's my point... the droid is, in my opinion, not really hitting the iPhone crowd.. it's drawing people into smart phones where there are no other real options. Think about it.. sprint, verizon, and tmo really don't have the best selections of phones.. the droid is, however, giving people a new option they really didn't have before.
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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

Android phones in my opinion are as good or better than the iphone at this point. It took a while for the market to catch up, but they have.

I have even heard of iphone people giving up their iphone for androids. The next rev of the iphone had better be a good upgrade or it will not be much competition for the androids that are hitting the market.
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Re: how will this "option to flee" actually work out?

With multi-tasking coming out, supposedly, that's going to be another huge leap for the iPhone.

Someone else mentioned that being able to customize the screen with themes and scenes.. meh - who cares, really.

FOR ME - I look for a phone with physical capabilities.. I look for internet capability, camera, GPS, battery life and stuff like that. I often find myself having to give one of those up to get something I really want in another phone - that's one thing I like about the iPhone - it's a phone with the same features.. the only choice you have to make with that is do you want the 3G, or the 3GS.. one has more features, one has less.. then you chose the memory amount and color. Like I said before, with other phones, do you take one that has a larger camera over a short battery life? Do you chose a phone with a real keyboard vs a slid out or physical one and of those choices, does the one of those two have a camera? .. or a good one at that? how about a flash.. etc. THIS is where I think apple has it right.. you buy the phone - period. How you chose to use it is up to you.

Someone told me that you can't customize the phone.. that you "put your apples on the screen" etc.. well.. andriod: I had the Hero, took it back. Yes, it will have a large clock on it.. it can tell me the current weather (as if I already didn't know) and I can place a couple icons on the screen.. limited amount of screens at that. iPhone: I can have the same. I put the email, text, clock/calendar icons on the home screen.. I see the date, I see the number of messages, texts, and phone events on the icon. kind of the same thing if you ask me.

They both have their good points and they also have some weakness.. but my main point about the two platforms... one's hardware is what it is.. the other, you still have to chose which phone is best or has all the features you need.

That very person also came back calling iPhone people brain dead or, basically, simpletons.

it's a choice.. personally, I just like that the iPhone is what it is... and you add the apps that make it what it does.

I have only had two android phones so far - both were rather clunky - however, I do chalk that up to the HTC phone itself as they really have never had phones that were all that responsive like the iPhone is to commands.

From what I've heard is that the next iPhone, or software, was supposed to have multi-tasking on it.. and also POSSIBLY supposed to have flash support finally.. it WOULD be nice to have a more customizable screen.. but really, I could care less.. widgets, on a phone, really do nothing for me, personally.

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I am an iPhone user and I'm locked in until August 2011, at that point I will reevaluate my options, I'm actually pretty happy with AT&T, definitely not dissatisfied enough to drop another $299 on a similar 3G Verizon version of the iPhone, If LTE is available then Verizon could potentially get me back depending on the price.

I'll also have to see where the Android phones are at that point, I love my iphone but there are a few instances where I wish I wasn't so controlled by Apple and I know the device could do it if apple loosened their death grip for a second. Then again I love my iPhone polished UI, Android doesn't compare at this point.

At this point most people aren't turned by android, the way they are with the iPhone and comparing the 2 it's gonna take a lot of polish for Andriod to match ease of use and appeal of the iPhone, especially for non technical users.

So AT&T won't be down and out immediately but they are gonna have to buckle down, in fringe areas where verizon has 3G everywhere and AT&T is limited to edge, I'd expect massive defection for AT&T, regardless of etf's and device fees. I don't live in one of those areas.
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And don't forget that AT&T's 3G network can do both data and voice at the same time. That's a big deal to some people (like me).

While I'm not opposed to a Verizon iPhone, I would want it along with AT&T. I can't stand Verizon, and I would not want to get their service. I love AT&T's coverage where I live- its perfectly fast and usable.

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Skeptical

Something tells me Verizon is very likely to experience the same types of growing pains AT&T did when it started selling the iPhone.

But hey, if this spurs AT&T to build more towers and improve service then it is all cool.
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Re: Skeptical

I doubt Verizon getting the iPhone will cause nearly as many issues on their network as it did for AT&T. To start, AT&T had the pleasure of having a bunch of users flock to their network simply because there was no other carrier to choose from. This meant that every single user that wanted an iPhone HAD to switch to AT&T. With the phone moving to Verizon, it will still be carried on more than one network. The users will be split between the two carriers and Verizon won't get hit as hard as AT&T did.

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I don't think that anyone can argue that Verizon wouldn't have been a better choice for the iPhone from day one, and that ATT was way behind Verizon in cell infrastructure, then and probably now as well. Part of that is GSM's disadvantage compared with CDMA in terms of range and data handling, but most of it comes from ATT's lack of insight.
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Re: Skeptical

But at the same time, what att (3f) has over the other carriers out there is the ability to use voice/data at the same time.. in my opinion, that is what made the iPhone.. the "iPhone"... not being able to use voice and data at the same time is a step back... I'd never want a CDMA version of the phone and I hate using it in EDGE.. I REALLY multi task while on the phone.. with out it, I don't think I'd really like the iPhone as much..
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No one will ever know if Verizon's network would had struggled like AT&T's did. The thing is, there had never been a phone like the iPhone, which demanded such heavy internet use. Once people started buying them like hotcakes, they ate up all of AT&T's bandwidth. Now that AT&T's had time to upgrade their network, things have returned to normal.
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Spoke to an AT&T tech in our area last week and he said they are building out fiber to most all cell towers in the city here.
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power and freedom

If I'm going to be throwing down $30/month in a data plan it sure as heck isn't going to be on a closed platform. I'm waiting very patiently for the Nexus One on Verizon, and then going to try and see how cheap a data plan I can put it on so it can be a mostly-WiFi device.

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Re: power and freedom

I am LOVING my Nexus One. It's my first android phone, and I am very happy.
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hmm

I am wondering if att made my current tower 850mhz all of a sudden here in the basement i am getting 2 to 3 bars when I normally only got 1 if lucky.
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Who cares about the iPhone anymore...

... when all phones will be bowing to their new master this summer, the HTC EVO 4G on Sprint????

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Competition!

The best thing for us as consumers is competition. It forces, as the article shows, companies to step up to the plate and actually try to do things better than someone else. We win one way or another.

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T Mobile is more likely candidate

If Apple ends the exclusive contract with AT&T, it is then more likely to see an iphone go to T-Mobile before Verizon.

Where Verizon may be jockeying for position is for the LTE version of the Iphone where Verizon might be able to get some short term exclusivity simply because it will be the only one with running LTE for a while.

Apple is to be busy developping/debugging the LTE version, it shouldn't be bothered with having to do the same for the old CDMA stuff that is a dead end anyways.

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Re: T Mobile is more likely candidate

I disagree.

All the rumors swirling about are centered around a CDMA iPhone. T Mobile is not a huge player in the US market, no where near as huge as Verizon Wireless.

Look at the time line. Apple usually rolls out iPhone updates mid year. Roll out the latest GSM iPhone mid year, and announce the CDMA iPhone for Verizon.

Production (rumors say) is slated to begin in September. With units hitting stores later that year. Just in time for the holiday rush.

You'll see people lined up around VZW stores waiting in line to buy the #1 on their gift list the Verizon capable iPhone.

It's the next logical step for Apple, and unless AT&T backs a cargo ship of $1000 bills up to AT&T headquarters, it's exactly the route Apple should take.

iPhone on T Mobile? Who gives a shit? iPhone on Verizon? MEGA MEGA hype, and huge publicity.

Steve's a smart guy, and if he's guessing I will be willing to pay my pro rated ETF in January (I skip the holiday megarush, a boycott if you will) to ditch my Storm for a Verizon iPhone, he would be right.

By the time November rolls around, all those VZW Wireless devotes will be drooling at Apple's kneecaps to get a Verizon iPhone.

It would make the CDMA iPhone THE hot item for holiday gift giving.
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said by jfmezei:

If Apple ends the exclusive contract with AT&T, it is then more likely to see an iphone go to T-Mobile before Verizon.

Where Verizon may be jockeying for position is for the LTE version of the Iphone where Verizon might be able to get some short term exclusivity simply because it will be the only one with running LTE for a while.

Apple is to be busy developping/debugging the LTE version, it shouldn't be bothered with having to do the same for the old CDMA stuff that is a dead end anyways.
A largely network-agnostic LTE iPhone is a given anyway; if Apple can make a cubic shit-ton of cash off of any fraction of Verizon's CDMA subscribers now, why wouldn't they go ahead and print up some money today before cashing in on upgrades tomorrow? Selling the platform to users they've already captured is easier than converting BlackBerry/WinMo/DumbPhone users anyway. If you anticipate a fifty percent take rate from ninety million subscribers and all the support issues that come from a new-to-Verizon UI, it would be a failure of due diligence not to blunt their learning curve with a term-limited CDMA rollout.

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My guess for the Iphone on Verizon will be July 23
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verizon iphone

see only problem I could see if verizon gets the Iphone they are going to have same problem as ATT just not enough bandwidth for all IPhone users and stuff and to be truthful I dont see IPhone even come to verizon since verizon is known to charge you out of the a** and with crappy service area.

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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·DIRECTV
·Optimum Online
·Cablevision

Re: verizon iphone

I think Verizon's network will strain somewhat if they deploy a CDMA iPhone, but the backlash will be nothing like it was with AT&T for a couple reasons

1. On Verizon's network voice and data are separate, remember you can't do both at once on Verizon, well that also means that thousands of iPhone users can't screw up your voice call.
2. While in populated areas AT&T's data network currently beats Verizon's hands down in data speed, the difference the average user will see between browsing the web at 1.4mbit/s and 800kbit/s won't be anywhere near as obvious as the pain of surfing the web on edge.

If available my hope would be that the Verizon iPhone is LTE/CDMA so when the LTE network is available it can move instantly to the faster network, where the data strain will be easier to handle
patronanejo

join:2009-09-10
Atlanta, GA

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Good for AT&T

What the hell is AT&T complaining about? I'm on Verizon but this is a no-win situation for Big Red. Expectations for AT&T are already low, but if the inevitable comparisons somehow favor AT&T--which has been installing an order of magnitude more buildout than VZW as of late--Verizon is due for weeks of horrible publicity, subscriber defections, spiraling stock prices, and corporate shakeups.

I'm going to hold on to VZW stock until the guaranteed iPhone bump happens. The ensuing bear-mauling is purely theoretical, but there's not much immediate upside after the day or so of bull bump anyways, so I'm gonna sell right after.

Verizon has a history of rushing into hardware releases (I'm looking at you, Storm); they really need to do a limited release somewhere (fully subsidized of course--can I recommend Atlanta?) before they jump in with both feet.

I assure you this scenario is going to start playing out in a lot of peoples' heads eventually--if Vodafone is on the ball, they will have started thinking about a buyback plan to inoculate their shares against a strong headwind of trading volume. If you're willing to bet on them being that smart, that would make now a pretty good time to buy. Verizon had better have a lot of cash on hand if people start catching on.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

post paid, who needs ya?

with the post paid market shrinking day by day.. that would be nice for Apple to take a bath on a GSM/Verizon version of the iphone at $400-$600 a pop locked into a 2-year, must buy data plan deal! some consumers have multiple thousands of dollars to spend on a mobile luxury, increasingly many don't.

just a thought, if smart phones don't come to a cheaper prepaid plan near you, there are always other options.. such as a $200-$300 netbook with 802.11n, even a tablet device besides the obvious tampon pad from apple.

with the linksys isp getting stingier and stinger (educated schmucks closing their wifi with passwords) you'll need to rely on your cableco/telco's free wifi options more often these days.
iJohn

join:2010-04-04
Richardson, TX

AT&T vs Verizon

There are a few things people may miss. AT&T had the lowest churn in the industry long before the iPhone came out, so to claim it's because of "loyal" iPhone customers is balony.

Verizon's network is able to hold up so far because there isn't a device that is as used on the Verizon network that can suck up the bandwidth. Also, since AT&T had to show Apple how to make their phones actually work with a wireless network. This wasn't Apple's area of expertise as phones are just part of their business, while the likes of RIM, Motorola and Nokia are better at it because it IS their business. Once they figured out how to not overuse network resources for simple tasks, usage with the iPhone improved.

Most issues were iPhone users. Users of other smart phones didn't seem to have the problem. That would also point to issues on the phone rather than the network. Again, once AT&T showed Apple how to make the phone work on a wireless network, things improve. I bet once the next one comes out, it will improve further with better hardware.

One thing to think about also. Verizon's 3G network is CDMA, their 4G network is going to be LTE. They are not backward compatible. LTE, which AT&T are also going to is backward compatible with AT&T's 3G GSM network, therefore there is only a need for one 4G chip in the phone. While Verizon is starting to put out their 4G network this year, in order to use it, you'll either have to have 2 phones (with 2 numbers) or a phone with a 3G CDMA chip and a 4G LTE chip. This will add to space and weight. This is something Apple probably won't want to do. It will be at least 2014 before Verizon have a workable 4G network that you'll get around without a need for the 3G network, maybe even longer to rid themselves of their old 3G network. AT&T have the lead in which they can still have their 3G coverage while still expanding their 4G network. These will be things that Apple will be looking at for future versions of the iPhone.

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