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| Re: ha ha@att Not to mention, it's not their fault that no American carrier is smart enough to expand abroad.
Most of our monopolies fail to grasp that 95% of the World's population lives 'outside' America.
Then again, AT&T is a Texan company, which by nature is oblivious to anything outside that state. | |
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| Re: ha ha@att said by Telco:Are you be sarcastic regarding AT&T or do you actually believe the GOP propaganda that the rest of the Big Gov world is poor?
Fact.....most of the world is poor. | |
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| Re: ha ha@att said by Corehhi:said by Telco:Are you be sarcastic regarding AT&T or do you actually believe the GOP propaganda that the rest of the Big Gov world is poor?
Fact.....most of the world is poor. For starters, how many foreigners from a developed country have you come across in SC... So of course your view of the world is limited to probably illegal aliens and faux news.
In terms of household income, SC is ranked 5th last, yet you want to talk about everyone else being "poor". Then again being out of touch with reality is a quintessential GOP voter trademark.
If it wasn't out of the scope of this thread, I'd list nations in terms of GDP per capita, median income, quality of life, and the best of all median wealth per adult; which we do not even rank in the top 10.
And that includes blue states, take them out and red states would probably be on par with Poland. | |
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1 edit | Re: ha ha@att Oh the irony of anyone southern, particularly from South Carolina calling me ignorant, now that is funny. Have you actually lived in any other developed country? Both of you guys clearly have not, as you wouldn't dare open your mouth about money if you did.
No offense but I lived in many world leading cities abroad that had more people than the entire state of SC.
Let me get you out of the Southern Red state denial bubble. When you talk about money, $600K buys a mansion in most of SC; whereas, $600K barely buys a studio apartment in various developed Big Gov countries.
Anyone I know of who lives and works overseas, earns a six figure salary -- even blue collar workers. Now compare this to the median $39k 'household' income of a right to work state like SC. Yes household, not personal income, which is even less.
The last time the South was the envy of the world was a good 200+ years ago. Today, Southern Republicans have made it the butt of jokes all over the planet and its synonymous with poor, uneducated, uncouth, trailers, 3rd world infrastructure, ignorance, racism, backwards, gun-toting etc etc etc. | |
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Charleston, SC | Re: ha ha@att Sigh. You really haven't a clue. Of course SC has poverty especially in lots of rural areas. They're pretty much cut off from any kind of work that could make them a decent income. $600k will hardly even buy you a plot of land downtown Charleston or on the surrounding islands. You can head out of town and buy a house fairly cheap in the suburbs which is a good thing.
I've been to both Paris and Stockholm for extended stays not live. But that doesn't even matter for this discussion. I'm talking about stats. And the fact of the matter is that the USA is #1 in disposable income among OECD nations, Norway comes in at #2. Most of these countries you are talking about end up paying about 50-75% of their income in taxes.
And this backwards place came in #1 recently in Conde Nast Traveler US and World Rankings:
"At an awards ceremony Monday in New York, Charleston was named the country’s No. 1 tourist destination, winning the coveted Readers Choice Award held annually by Conde Nast Traveler. Displacing San Francisco—which held the title for 18 years—Charleston earned the honor based on evaluations in six categories: atmosphere/ambience, culture/sites, friendliness, lodging, restaurants and shopping."
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| Re: ha ha@att You guys are talking up SC, as if it's the Hamptons, yet you accuse me of having "blinders". Yes, SC has 'some' expensive areas, that is known as the exception, not the norm. As does almost every developed country, however, their expense ranges in the tens of millions.
In terms of 'median wealth per adult', a Credit Suisse report illustrates that America does not make the top ten; all Big Gov type nations take the spots - ironically.
Not to mention, they do indeed pay more in taxes but have the cutting-edge infrastructure, modern and clean cities, and world leading quality of life to show for it. Whereas, not a single US city ranks in the top 40 globally for livability any more; not a single Southern city in the top 80.
With the exception of Florida, no Republican city is world renowned for travel. In fact, an easy Google search brings up the various reputable sources illustrating this reality firsthand. Heck, not a single foreign airline flies into Charleston versus the '92' that service London.
Back to the original point, the rest of the world is not poor as you guys assume they are or talk-radio tells you they are. | |
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| Re: ha ha@att said by Telco:You guys are talking up SC, as if it's the Hamptons, yet you accuse me of having "blinders". Yes, SC has 'some' expensive areas, that is known as the exception, not the norm. As does almost every developed country, however, their expense ranges in the tens of millions.
So does the rest of the world. Hong Kong?? Singapore? London?? Just follow the money center banks all over the world that is where you find the rich people for the most part. | |
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| said by Telco:said by Corehhi:said by Telco:Are you be sarcastic regarding AT&T or do you actually believe the GOP propaganda that the rest of the Big Gov world is poor?
Fact.....most of the world is poor. For starters, how many foreigners from a developed country have you come across in SC... So of course your view of the world is limited to probably illegal aliens and faux news. In terms of household income, SC is ranked 5th last, yet you want to talk about everyone else being "poor". Then again being out of touch with reality is a quintessential GOP voter trademark. If it wasn't out of the scope of this thread, I'd list nations in terms of GDP per capita, median income, quality of life, and the best of all median wealth per adult; which we do not even rank in the top 10. And that includes blue states, take them out and red states would probably be on par with Poland. I'm from NY and have travel in Europe, South America and many of the islands. I don't think you have traveled much at all you just look at stats. There are countries with higher standards of living but they use guest workers for the crap jobs and they are not included in the stats. If you add up the people around the world most are poor period with pockets of rich people. China is a big government country and they have a billion people who are straight up dirt poor. If you are talking about the most develop countries you need to figure in the guest workers. There is no middle class in South America for the most part, just wealthy and poor. Europe is a much more class based system then I think you are a were of. For that matter I've had to squat over a hole in the floor to take a crap in a public toilet in Europe more than once so I guess they must not spend there money on public bathrooms. LOL. | |
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From Wikipedia, average disposable income by country 2011:
1 United States 42,050
2 Ireland 41,170
3 Luxembourg 37,997
4 Switzerland 35,471
5 Australia 34,952
6 United Kingdom 33,513
7 Canada 32,662
8 Norway 31,101
9 South Korea 31,051
10 Netherlands 29,269
11 Austria 29,008
12 Sweden 28,301
13 Denmark 27,974
14 Japan 27,763
15 France 27,452
16 Spain 26,856
17 Finland 25,747
18 Belgium 25,642
19 Germany 24,174
20 Italy 23,194
21 Greece 21,352
22 Portugal 17,170
23 Czech Republic 15,115
24 Slovakia 14,701
25 Poland 14,389
26 Hungary 12,843
Note that you don't see any South American or African countries represented in the top 26. You also don't see China. How many billions of people then have less than $12k a year in disposable income? You really think people in those situations will be able to drop 2k a year on a phone?
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That's because nothing outside of Texas matters 
I wouldn't be surprised if US carriers haven't expanded abroad because it's unlikely that in most places they would make the egregious profits that make in the US. It'll be interesting to see whether Softbank brings Japanese-style rates to the US market (assuming the deal goes through). They'll probably have to back it up with better coverage, though. | |
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| Re: ha ha@att Good point. I think our carriers would go bankrupt in any other country as the people would lol at these charges and the services they offer for them here. Heck, typically any plan over $60 gets you the handset for free overseas.
Not to mention, they would face fine after fine in numerous countries that prohibit duopolies and locking customers and their handsets to one network. Their pricing must also include all fees and taxes, which AT&T and VZ would hate. | |
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CLMTCAXF | Did... Did AT&T forget that Verizon Wireless is 45% owned by Vodafone? Sounds like AT&T wants to eventually acquire Sprint when they start to crumble. | |
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| Re: Did... said by wingrider01:ATT "whining" what about those other carriers that starting yelling when at wanted to buy t-mobile? Woult the author of this consider that "whining" also? They bith are doing the same thing so it should be
Yeah, but the other carriers had good reason to "whine". AT&T acquiring T-Mobile would eliminate competition in the United States Wireless market. This Sprint/Softbank deal will grow competition within the US Wireless market. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | You missed a key point, neighbor. The T-Mobile situation was a takeover. The Sprint situation is a change in majority ownership.
One is like Wal-Mart buying Target vs. Samsung buying a majority stake in Target. Samsung is huge but as far as I know, they don't have a retail organization in the US. A Samsung acquisition of Target doesn't affect consumer choice even if they eventually rename it to Tarsung or Samget. | |
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Royal Oak, MI | Re: I hate AT&T like everyone else but.... said by battleop:If Sprint can cry about AT&T buying T-Mobile then AT&T certainly has a right to cry about SoftBank buying Sprint.
Sure they can cry, but they're full of BS. ATT buying T-Mobile would have eliminated a competitor. The Japanese buying Sprint actually stregthens one. Big difference there. | |
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now if you said, because they eliminated $10 1000 text plan due to lack of competition then I agree. | |
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Cupertino, CA | Re: I hate AT&T like everyone else but.... said by chgo_man99:att is business, about making money, not seeing their competitors stronger, how that makes them full of bs?
now if you said, because they eliminated $10 1000 text plan due to lack of competition then I agree.
But what mogamer said is true. AT&T wanted to eliminate a competitor in the U.S. market in buying T-Mobile. SoftBank does not operate in the U.S. so it's investment doesn't eliminate a competitor but instead is strengthening Sprint. While I understand why AT&T doesn't like it, as consumers we should be loving this deal. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I hate AT&T like everyone else but.... true, but it still does not make att BS because it sought to eliminate competitor. Thats what business is about. Though of course, the deal att sought was unfair for us as customers. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: I hate AT&T like everyone else but.... True. ATT has been BS a long time. | |
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| said by chgo_man99:att is business, about making money, not seeing their competitors stronger, how that makes them full of bs? Oh, they're free to whine, but there's no law against a competitor getting stronger -- and they know it. There are, however, anti-trust laws that keep one competitor from eliminating a viable competitor.
AT&T's attempt at FUD here will most likely be unsuccessful as it is obviously transparent and self-serving. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: I hate AT&T like everyone else but.... It shouldn't be successful but don't underestimate the ability of ATT's lobby machine to turn SoftBank into Huawei. Although Americans probably trust Japan more than China, it wasn't that long ago that Japan was where China is today. Unlike the mostly dead generation of folks who still have emotions regarding Pearl Harbor, there are lots of still-living and voting constituents that lost jobs to the Japanese complete takeover of the electronics industry and decimation of the auto industry. It might not take much to raise the temperature of those smoldering embers. It may not matter since this will likely play out after the election. Regardless of what happens, few will remember in two years. | |
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Royal Oak, MI | said by chgo_man99:att is business, about making money, not seeing their competitors stronger, how that makes them full of bs?
now if you said, because they eliminated $10 1000 text plan due to lack of competition then I agree.
Their press release was full of bs. | |
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Oklahoma City, OK | said by chgo_man99:att is business, about making money, not seeing their competitors stronger, how that makes them full of bs?
now if you said, because they eliminated $10 1000 text plan due to lack of competition then I agree.
The problem with AT&T is they don't want to be the best wireless company. They want to be the only wireless company. | |
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Greenwich, CT | said by mogamer:said by battleop:If Sprint can cry about AT&T buying T-Mobile then AT&T certainly has a right to cry about SoftBank buying Sprint.
Sure they can cry, but they're full of BS. ATT buying T-Mobile would have eliminated a competitor. The Japanese buying Sprint actually stregthens one. Big difference there. This!
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Kalispell, MT | "The Japanese" - we're not talking a government, we're talking a company. And SoftBank is a terrible one. It's not NTT DoCoMo we're talking here. It's Japan's poor coverage, low-budget, low-speed, constantly congested carrier. Just like Sprint, LOL. | |
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kudos:5 | said by battleop:If Sprint can cry about AT&T buying T-Mobile then AT&T certainly has a right to cry about SoftBank buying Sprint.
Yes, payback is a bitch. Sprint went to town on AT&T and made an enemy. Now AT&T is returning the favor. And if the US legislators hate the idea of Huawei doing business in the US, they may be persuaded to hate the idea of Softbank moving in.
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Boston, MA | One big difference: Sprint's whining worked, AT&T's won't. | |
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Cupertino, CA | Re: I hate AT&T like everyone else but.... said by Linklist:said by vpoko:One big difference: Sprint's whining worked, AT&T's won't.
It may. And this could be the group that kills it because Softbank is a foreign company that would own 70% of Sprint - just like it killed Huawei. And telecom is considered a national security industry.: » www.treasury.gov/resource-center···-US.aspx Huawei is Chinese-owned. SoftBank is Japanese. Big difference since the US is on good relations with Japan. China... not so much. | |
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| | | | | Highly doubtful. The United States' relationship with Japan is significantly better than their relationship with China. Simply put, SoftBank is no Huawei. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I hate AT&T like everyone else but.... said by SteelerRaw :Highly doubtful. The United States' relationship with Japan is significantly better than their relationship with China. Simply put, SoftBank is no Huawei.
The US sold Aegis systems to Japan.
The US would NEVER in 10^6 years sell Aegis systems to China. | |
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believe that one and I've got a bridge to sell you.. | |
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| Re: any day now.. There are cheaper wireless rates already. Check SIMPLE Mobile, Straight Talk, Boost Mobile, Virgin Mobile, Cricket, and several others I'm sure I left out.
Now if you're looking to pay subsidy pricing for your handset AND get a $30 all-you-can-eat plan, you're sort of wishing to have your cake and eat it too. | |
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believe that one and I've got a bridge to sell you..
No but hopefully this will get Sprint's buildout in a faster gear so their coverage becomes more competitive and you can have a carrier option that has competitive coverage and IS willing to compete on price/plans and not just play monkey see, monkey do to keep prices/plans overinflated(aka Verizon/AT&T). | |
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| Looking at Softbank's site I was looking up Softbank's Japanese plans to see what they offer and what they're about.
I noticed this. Anyone else have a minor case of dyslexia too?
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| | | Re: Don't ever forget Inverting to 90 degrees under the guise of capitalism is the 2012 American way. While the board and shareholders bath in cash, and use the lack of competition and American ignorance against us, we are forced to squeal like a pig and just take it. | |
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Personally, I hope Softbank kicks their asses with a revitalized Sprint with a strong LTE build-out and good prices.
Go Softbank!
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