  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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| It can.... and it does handle tethering. How they think it can't handle tethering but can handle the onslaught of iPads is beyond me. They just can't figure out how to charge $$ for it. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: It can.... said by ptrowski:They just can't figure out how to charge $$ for it. AT&T already determined the cost of tethering  | |
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| Re: It can.... said by openbox9:said by ptrowski:They just can't figure out how to charge $$ for it. AT&T already determined the cost of tethering Smarty pants.  I guess I should have said iPhone tethering. 
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kudos:2 | Re: It can.... Why should/would iPhone tethering plans cost different than other smart phone or BlackBerry plans? | |
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| Re: It can.... said by openbox9:Why should/would iPhone tethering plans cost different than other smart phone or BlackBerry plans? It's shouldn't. Actually it should be included in the $30 a month original data plan I think.
But it's AT&T we are talking about here.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: It can.... Be careful what you wish for. You may wind up seeing your unlimited smart phone plans being capped at 5 GB/mth of you want tethering included. | |
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| Re: It can.... said by openbox9:Be careful what you wish for. You may wind up seeing your unlimited smart phone plans being capped at 5 GB/mth of you want tethering included. Bite your tongue!
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: It can.... said by Belinrahs:$60 a month for tethering is just plain criminal. At that price, people are going to jailbreak and tether for free that way. And I would suggest that most of the people that truly care about tethering are probably already doing so.said by Belinrahs:It's been repeated countless times, but AT&T seriously needs to invest more in their network And it's been repeated countless times that AT&T has spent billions of dollars, and continues to spend many more billions of dollars on infrastructure. | |
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And it's been repeated countless times that AT&T has spent billions of dollars, and continues to spend many more billions of dollars on infrastructure.
And it's been repeated countless times that AT&T tripled their profit from 2005 to 2008, while continuously cutting capex investment and being dragged kicking and screaming into doing network upgrades.
A company making several billion dollars in revenue is obviously going to spend "billions" on their network. The question is what % of their revenue is going into capex, especially compared to before its most recent merger. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: It can.... Don't make me once again trot out the proof that contradicts your claim. I posted the info earlier this week or last week regarding AT&T's growth in CAPEX outpacing its profit growth. Look at the financials for the last five years | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: It can.... said by openbox9:Don't make me once again trot out the proof that contradicts your claim. I posted the info earlier this week or last week regarding AT&T's growth in CAPEX outpacing its profit growth. Look at the financials for the last five years Please do provide financials, and include an explanation of AT&T's tripling in profits. Also explain why their network has suffered, with AT&T admitting it failed to keep up with capex investment. Dave Burstein at DSLPrime has a couple of articles on this issue, citing experts in the industry who corroborate his findings that AT&T's problems have been entirely self-inflicted. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: It can.... Read my response to your last post claiming this fallacy
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| | | | | | The cheapskate usually pays the most, and lets admit that ATT is now paying the price for essentially letting things ride during the first iPhone's tenure. They knew what Apple's next phone was going to be, their growing popularity, the numbers Apple was manufacturing, didn't accommodate that growth in their infrastructure planning, and now find themselves playing perpetual catchup.
And a lack of a robust network is producing opportunity losses as well. With the downward trajectory of tethered smartphone pricing (free for the Pre 2, & VZ's announcement of $10~$25mo tethered pricing for the Droid Incredible), ATT's missed out. The days of getting $60, $50, or even $40mo extra to tether a smartphone appear to be fading. | |
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Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: It can.... said by JasonOD :
The days of getting $60, $50, or even $40mo extra to tether a smartphone appear to be fading. I don't understand people's willingness to pay for tethering in the first place. I do agree that tethering options will increasingly cost consumers less, but to counter that, other costs may increase and/or caps on smart phones may become more commonplace. | |
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1 edit | Yikes $60 that's insane. Here in Canada we are enjoying the immense capacity of our data networks and on Rogers I'm paying $30 for the data plan which they've just announced no additional charges for tethering on any data plan of 1 GB or over.
I don't know why you guys have such a bad data network, over here we're getting HSPA+ speeds with an average of 4-6 mbps. | |
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|  ff1324Everybody Goes HomePremium
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On Four Day | What theme are you using?
And my iPhone tethering works very well, thank you very much...
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| Re: It can.... said by ff1324:What theme are you using? And my iPhone tethering works very well, thank you very much... It's the 4.0 OS theme.
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kudos:1 | At the moment they can't handle calls. Much less tethering.
I laugh at the idea of iPhone tethering working in NYC, people will have to stand in the middle of street intersections where the buildings are short to get any work done.
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join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 |  Allowing tethering could reduce iPad sales
Of course you can jailbreak your iPhone and do it now.
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| | Tethering Tethering works fine on att for me I just make sure not to over do it. I dont really need it I just got tired of being forced to pay for data when I adverage less then 10 megs a month. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Tethering So the ISPs in the 50 other Countries that support I-Phone Tethering must be better that big old AT&T. So much for being a Market Leader. | |
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| | | | Re: Tethering In countries that are not even the size of Texas for the most part much less the whole US. | |
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| | Ah...How Typical If only we had real wireless competition and device agnostic competitors.
Then unhappy iPhone customers could take their paid-for device and use it on a competitor's better-performing network, forcing AT&T to pour much more money into ratcheting up its network in order to minimize churn.
It doesn't hurt to dream... | |
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| | Tethering If AT&T begins to allow tethering, I hope the cost of the tethering package is enough to pay for the needed upgrades to support it.
I'm sure that AT&T is trying to figure out the cost of tethering and whether or not they will have enough subscribers to reach a break even point.
In my division there are about 20 iPhone users, and there is only one of them that I can see tethering, and of course, that person will likely be an extreme bandwidth hog, if not throttled.
I have no desire to tether, and I do not want my iPhone pricing to increase because of it. Let the tethering subscribers pay for what they use. | |
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join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL | Re: Tethering Speaking of fairness, you are aware that you (and every other iPhone user) pays $30 a month just for data. It's been quoted that average user swills down somewhere south of 500MB of AT&T bandwidth monthly, meaning AT&T receives around $60 for every GB it handles. Is that fair?
I'm all for having an extra charge for tethering, but in light of what they currently charge, tethering should either be included, or the $30 monthly fee reduced for those who don't.
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| Re: Tethering said by kaila:Speaking of fairness, you are aware that you (and every other iPhone user) pays $30 a month just for data. It's been quoted that average user swills down somewhere south of 500MB of AT&T bandwidth monthly, meaning AT&T receives around $60 for every GB it handles. Is that fair? I'm all for having an extra charge for tethering, but in light of what they currently charge, tethering should either be included, or the $30 monthly fee reduced for those who don't. I haven't been using mine much, but right now for 2 days I am only at 75 MB. Rarely do I go over 3 GB.
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$60/Gb may not sound fair, but I don't know what the cost per unit is. You may be very surprised by the actual cost.
I question costs all the time at my job, but when I finish the analysis, the margin always ends up a lot smaller than I thought. | |
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:16 | Re: Tethering Pricing in Canada for iPhone data (which includes tethering) is:
Special rate (was offered for the period around the 3GS launch): $30 for 6GB
$25 - 500 MB
$30 - 1 GB
$60 - 3 GB
$80 - 5 GB
Overage is billed by the megabyte, but it comes out to about $30/GB overage. Tethering is included free on everything 1GB and up. It works great. | |
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Does the Canadian plan always cover tethering? if so, I like my tetherless plan much better. $30 for 5Gb. Mainly because I don't need tethering; if I did, it would be a different story.
How long did the $30 for 6gb last? limited time or duration of plan. | |
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join:2007-10-11
Bel Air, MD | Laughs at Jailbreakers Me and my Palm Pre with Mobile HotSpot are laughing at all you iPhone users who need to use some weird program to jailbreak your phones just so you can tether.
And yes, Mobile HotSpot for Verizon and Sprint. Oh, and it's FREE!
The ultimate combo: Palm Pre and a 3G iPod Touch. Skyping on Sprint 3G connection is amazing! | |
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Does jailbreaked iPhone do WiFi tethering or wired? Palm and Android can do WiFi tethering with many shared devices. | |
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| Re: Laughs at Jailbreakers Depending on the hack used to enable tethering, you can use wifi, bluetooth, or wired.
I find wired works better because tethering sucks down the iPhone battery like crazy, so I charge it up while I'm using it and can still talk on the phone as well.
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join:2002-01-02
Gig Harbor, WA | AT&T already allows tethering All I have to do is take my SIM card out of my iPhone and put it in my Nokia E71. Works just as easily as it would on my iPhone if AT&T's carrier profile allowed it. | |
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| | Can't tether easily? Let's see here now, I have a Moto Droid on VZW, and by rooting the phone (which a 6 year old could do) I can WiFi Tether for free, by default there are free apps on the Market to tether via USB/bluetooth. Of course I think all this stuff is pretty interesting to see as here by the end of the year (according to rumor) VZW should have the iPhone, and really, I don't blame apple with going for another provider. But it will be interesting to see how VZW's new LTE network will keep up with all the Smart Phone traffic.
I know from the post I probably sound like a VZW fanboy, and I admit that I am, but there are some things that VZW does that I don't like (Not bringing FiOS to my area, locking down tethering on the Droid Incredible, Stopping FiOS deployment period since the new CEO is leaving, etc etc...) Either way though all carriers are the same really. Maybe we should just all abandon our cell phones and internet with these cash cows until they decide to play by our rules. | |
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| | Makes me glad that I live in the UK. (not talking about the iPhone specifically, since it's a phone that's incredibly locked down and only available on a few networks)
I can choose from 5 networks + many MVNOs, and they all have comparatively cheap data prices. Thanks to the country being a small island, the 3G coverage is pretty good too.
I can go out right now and buy an HSPA dongle for about £20 to £25, load it with £10 or £15 of credit and get between 1 and 3GB for a month.
There are similar prices for tethering on your phone, although most people just do it on their normal data plans. The networks just don't care.
You also don't see the networks collapsing under the strain, except O2, whose network is crap anyway (they're only barely meeting the coverage obligations of their 3G licence, and only gave their prepay customers proper access to the internet when they got the iPhone - and even then it's speed capped!). | |
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| Re: Makes me glad that I live in the UK. Dumb AT&T (Southern Bell, then Cingular, now AT&T) has been able and has supported tethering since the analog days. My original analog Motorola flip phones supported it via a serial adapter cable. My GAIT Nokias supported it as a "grandfathered option". My current G1 Google phones also support it. (I no longer use Cingular (AT&T) as my provider because of various problems, such as sending my Nokia phones configuration information on a monthly basis that really adversely affected functionality, necessitating a long and annoying call to customer service, and going through multiple levels of support to get things fixed, until they did it again. | |
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