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AT&T Strikes Deal With Winston-Salem for Possible 1 Gbps
by Karl Bode 08:27AM Thursday Jun 12 2014 Tipped by ke4pym See Profile
Back in April, AT&T stated they were in advanced talks with the North Carolina Next Generation Network (NCNGN) to offer Gigapower over the region's core fiber ring, which was constructed with the cooperation of numerous companies. AT&T now says they've ratified an agreement with the City of Winston-Salem to offer 1 Gbps service in parts of the Triangle and Piedmont Triad regions, with pending ratification looming for Carrboro, Cary, Chapel Hill, Durham, and Raleigh.

As with other Gigapower announcements, you'll note that AT&T is entirely ambiguous when it comes to actual broadband deployment numbers. How many users will see these connections? What neighborhoods specifically? When? Who knows! This is the level of specificity you'll find in all Gigapower-related releases:
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The plan outlines potential fiber deployments to deliver ultra-fast broadband to parts of Winston-Salem. AT&T U-verse with GigaPower will also deliver advanced TV services and Internet speeds up to 10 times faster than what is available in Winston-Salem today.
As I've noted a few times, AT&T's Gigapower initiative is largely about bumping speeds to high-end developments where fiber is already in the ground, then getting the press to believe these limited deployments are larger than they are (in order to counter Google Fiber's PR buzz). AT&T's actually cutting the money spent on fixed-line broadband so they can continue to focus on wireless, and the vast, vast majority of their current subscribers will never see these speeds.

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elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY

Keep moving

While I think this is PR, etc anyplace that is getting access to 300Mbit+ is a good thing, because it will force the other incumbent to step up. Of course back in the internet death valley outside urban areas, the native still suck bits through a thread. I give AT&T credit for stepping up.

Of note, the ONLY major operator out there pretty much doing squat is Verizon. They are sitting this one out, while everyone around them is stepping up their game. Now it could be said that I can get 500 which is fine, however there are large parts of their DSL (and urban for that matter) that they are pretty much leaving alone. Practically ZERO investment. Once DS 3.1 comes out they will be caught flatfooted in fringe areas and then throw up their hands and beg for forgiveness and say "how could I compete" and then ask for deregulation--operator style.

F100

join:2013-01-15
Durham, NC

Because of Pending Google Fiber?

I hope this is a sign that Google Fiber coming to somewhere in NC is even more likely. Note comments here about NC and Portland bidding for Google fiber. »Google Fiber Inspires 'Gigabit IPA' in Portland

It sure seems like everywhere that Google is actually going to put a Fiber network, AT&T starts making Gigabit speed promises (deals) just to not be outdone by Google. This is a great game for Google to play because either way they win. If Google builds it, they have more people using their services. If someone else increases net speeds, people can consume more Google services with more Ad revenue. Win, Win for Google.

AT&T, TWC, Verizon, and Comcast are mostly dumb pipes except that they have the lock-down on cable TV channels and last mile connections. Not many actually buy any services from these companies except their connection to the net and TV when compared to Google, Microsoft, Netflix and others that actually have services that people want. Even legacy POTS is still declining. The transition to VoLTE will be interesting to watch and see how it impacts Cable VOIP that people use for POTS replacement. These companies don't know how to be innovative with their services. All the me too stuff that Verizon has come up with is just one example that comes to mind.

Guess we'll have to wait until later this year to find out what cities Google selects.

RadioDoc
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Re: Because of Pending Google Fiber?

I'm not too sure about that. AT&T ran fiber down the alley behind my office sometime in the last six months and the only mention of it so far sales-wise was an email I got Tuesday from an account manager who "wanted to talk to [me] about the brand new fiber optic network in [my] area", and Google is nowhere near here with anything. What I think drives this is they have some other large user who effectively subsidizes the fiber run and they then try to sell bits of it to everyone along its path. AT&T is far too lazy to take on anyone at this point.
thomasrelee

join:2007-02-01
Winston Salem, NC

Re: Because of Pending Google Fiber?

There a fiber bundles hanging around certain parts of town recently that are now in addition to AT&T's stalled U-Verse installation.

Some of them I know belong to TWC - I was present when a client had a TWC rep walk in and want them to sign a legal document stating they were now aware TWC would be doing right-of-way work near their property and I have since seen fiber being pulled on that part of town. As for fiber from AT&T, when U-Verse stalled - it STOPPED - no matter what was or was not completed leaving fiber laying and/or hanging just anywhere. Frozen in time - that's a long stall! Hah!

In either case of getting faster Internet speeds, I can confirm this availability will only be for certain parts of town. Notice I am not proclaiming to be jumping up and down here - the closest bundle of fiber left hanging from U-Verse is 3 - 4 miles away. The fastest AT&T service I can receive is (AT&T Stated UP TO) 3.0 Mbps DSL and the fastest TWC service I can receive is (TWC stated UP TO) 50Mbps Docsis 3.0. As for TWC when asked why no 100Mpbs offering, I was told the cable plant did not support it and there were no upgrades to the hard-lines/amps planned anytime soon.

So yeah, this particular neighborhood will be stuck with 50Mbps Docsis 3.0 and 3.0Mbps DSL until either company decides to upgrade their plant - and both have more or less already shown who will and will not be seeing any new upgrades.
etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
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Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

Fact. Comcast and all cable outlets offer faster internet connections than at&t uverse.
Fact. TWC's 300/20 Maxx is a reality in NYC and LA markets and soon to be available everywhere in TWC's footprint and this is with DOCSIS3.0 can't wait for DOCSIS3.1
Fact. AT&T is still struggling to deliver 24 Mbps much less their 45 Mbps top tier.
Fact. AT&T's proposed DirecTV merger is a dumb idea.
Fact. AT&T doesn't have the budget and the will to deploy fiber-to-the-home in significant numbers.

How else can AT&T remain popular and in the news? The answer is VAPORWARE! Call me when you wire my house with fiber.

NormanS
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Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

Fact: Most cable subscribers don't even know how fast their cable connection is.
compuguy1088

join:2003-05-26
Burke, VA

Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

said by NormanS:

Fact: Most cable subscribers don't even know how fast their cable connection is.

Some companies don't even mention it on the bill (Cox for example).
MrBungle87

join:2013-01-18
Durham, NC
Fact: there is no possible way TWC's Maxx upgrades will "soon" be available everywhere in TWC's footprint. Most areas never even got the 100Mbit upgrade.

I do, however, share your general hatred and distrust of AT&T.
etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
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Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

Depends on what is your definition of 'soon' If soon means in a month then no, MAXX will not be available to everyone but if soon means by the end of the year then maybe, possibly, most likely many will have MAXX available. If soon means within a year I would say yes.

Soon mean different things for different ISPs for at&t 'soon' means many years

Just read the posts in the TWC forum, everyday there are new posts from people getting 8 and 16 bonded channel upgrades, TWC must be planning something for those extra 8 downstream channels.

why60loss

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Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

said by etaadmin:

Depends on what is your definition of 'soon' If soon means in a month then no, MAXX will not be available to everyone but if soon means by the end of the year then maybe, possibly, most likely many will have MAXX available. If soon means within a year I would say yes.

Soon mean different things for different ISPs for at&t 'soon' means many years

Just read the posts in the TWC forum, everyday there are new posts from people getting 8 and 16 bonded channel upgrades, TWC must be planning something for those extra 8 downstream channels.

They are a year late on the 100mbs upgrade that NEVER came so the idea that even with 80% of there foot print still on 50mbs after all this time for a small speed bump.

What makes anyone think that by the end of the year the whole foot print will have it when not even NYC and LA are done yet and where done later than what they said they would be. I bet AT&T does gigapower in the 100 markets before TWC gets maxx in 100 markets.

Soon for TWC means 2,3 or 4+ years. Maybe never. Yea you may get a sign that says 300mbs, but good luck getting support when the old line split's in half or when your only getting 5mbs because well it's "up to 300mbs".
etaadmin

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Dallas, TX
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Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

said by why60loss:

What makes anyone think that by the end of the year the whole foot print will have it when not even NYC and LA are done yet and where done later than what they said they would be. I bet AT&T does gigapower in the 100 markets before TWC gets maxx in 100 markets.

I'll take that bet (provided its legal) but first we have to define the conditions and what 100 markets mean.

I'm willing to bet $100USD payable by paypal that by the end of 2016 TWC or it's successor will offer faster internet speeds ultimate 100/10, 200/20 and 300/20 or faster to more customers than at&t gigapower users.

why60loss

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Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

said by etaadmin:

said by why60loss:

What makes anyone think that by the end of the year the whole foot print will have it when not even NYC and LA are done yet and where done later than what they said they would be. I bet AT&T does gigapower in the 100 markets before TWC gets maxx in 100 markets.

I'll take that bet (provided its legal) but first we have to define the conditions and what 100 markets mean.

I'm willing to bet $100USD payable by paypal that TWC or it's successor will offer faster internet speeds ultimate 100/10, 200/20 and 300/20 or faster to more customers than at&t gigapower users by the end of 2016.

1) I will not bet against Comcast because I know they upgrade all the time like almost every year.

2) 100 markets= 100 city's. IE who has 100 city's lit first

3) I would be okay with charter or any other business as "successor".

4) Define more customers, more who can sign up or more who DID sign up and are paying for service 300mbs+?

5) Don't use paypal and don't make online for money bets so nope.
etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
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Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

Then you shouldn't make bets, even if it is figuratively speaking. Besides AT&T's odds are not very good
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said by MrBungle87:

Fact: there is no possible way TWC's Maxx upgrades will "soon" be available everywhere in TWC's footprint. Most areas never even got the 100Mbit upgrade.

Actually I think TWC's laying the ground work in most of their areas to deploy MAXX speeds..

Technically it would not be hard for them to do it.. They might need to split some nodes but all it would really take for the deployment in most cases would be to turn off analog in the markets and turn up additional DOCSIS 3.0 channels and roll out 16x4 bonding.

"100/5" has been promised in most areas for awhile now .. I got a feeling we're gonna see that 'side stepped' and MAXX rolled out instead. [Of course everything is still riding on how soon the Comcast merger is approved].
MrBungle87

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Re: Trying to cover the sun with one finger.

said by Matt7:

Actually I think TWC's laying the ground work in most of their areas to deploy MAXX speeds..

Technically it would not be hard for them to do it.. They might need to split some nodes but all it would really take for the deployment in most cases would be to turn off analog in the markets and turn up additional DOCSIS 3.0 channels and roll out 16x4 bonding.

"100/5" has been promised in most areas for awhile now .. I got a feeling we're gonna see that 'side stepped' and MAXX rolled out instead. [Of course everything is still riding on how soon the Comcast merger is approved].

Aye, there's the rub: the timing of the Comcast merger. Given our current FCC, I have a feeling it'll be approved and the newly formed Comcast behemoth will forget all about TWC's Maxx upgrades. So TWC is currently making a big deal about rolling out upgrades in their flagship markets (NYC, LA, Austin). But, hey, I could be wrong. The government might block the merger and TWC might step their game up. I sure hope so.

Count Zero
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I'll believe it....

when I see it! But that being said I'll be all onboard when it shows up!
crooked

join:2000-07-29
Durham, NC

Durham, NC

The City of Durham also came to an agreement today (»wraltechwire.com/durham-strikes-···3723739/) but it seems to be non-exclusive and doesn't give ATT any special right-of-way privileges (»wraltechwire.com/durham-fiber-ag···28759/)? I was under the impression ATT was only deploying anywhere if they got special privileges, but maybe since they aren't the ILEC in Durham (it's Frontier here but ATT is in the rest of the Triangle) they are just trying to get a new market?
openbox9
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Not yet, Karl

said by Karl Bode:

AT&T's actually cutting the money spent on fixed-line broadband

Not yet Karl, at least according to AT&T's own financial statements. I'll paste this again.
said by AT&T's 2013 Financial Review :

Virtually all of our capital expenditures are spent on our wireless and wireline networks, our U-verse services and support systems for our communications services. Capital expenditures, excluding interest during construction, increased $1,479 from 2012. Our Wireless segment represented 52% of our total spending and increased 3% in 2013. The Wireline segment, which includes U-verse services, represented 48% of the total capital expenditures and increased 13% in 2013, primarily reflecting our implementation of Project VIP.

We expect that our capital expenditures during 2014 will be in the $21,000 range. We expect 2014 to be our peak investment year for Project VIP and anticipate our Wireless and Wireline segments’ spend to be proportionally consistent to the previous year.

deathnight

join:2011-04-14
Winston Salem, NC

Lets not forget RST fiber

RST fiber has installed/lit up 3100 miles of fiber across NC. Not sure how many installs have been done. but i believe they are working in the Raleigh/Durham area now, and also in Charlotte. Not including the smaller areas.