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If you allow people to vote...... you'll have just as many unhappy people as you do now. If you have 100 people vote on 4 locations what will be the majority when the totals come back 10%, 30%, 40%, 20%? Out of those 100 voters 40 got their way, but 60 did not.
Now to place the VRAD in a new location you'll have to extend/move existing fibers. Then (based on current technology) you'll have to bury/hang more copper cables. With that comes all of the issues of a longer loop length. Plus you've added an additional point of failure.
Maybe SF would rather go all wireless? | |
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 | jimk
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jimk
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2014-May-23 4:19 pm
Re: If you allow people to vote...Maybe SF would rather go all wireless? No, they don't like cell sites/towers easier (reason: aesthetic and/or health concerns depending on who you ask). | |
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2014-May-23 6:31 pm
Re: If you allow people to vote...Dont forget they hate wifi because of the damage it does to human brains lol | |
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Re: If you allow people to vote...Brain damaged in SF?? LOL too late.... | |
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n2jtx
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2014-May-24 11:24 am
Re: If you allow people to vote...said by sparky007:Brain damaged in SF?? LOL too late.... I like visiting that city but you are right. Things are just not normal there. | |
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|  Kasoah
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to weaseled386
I'd be against this too. Who wants at&t's old outdated shit speeds? | |
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Re: If you allow people to vote...said by Kasoah:I'd be against this too. Who wants at&t's old outdated shit speeds? I works perfectly fine for me. If I didn't already have a VRAD 3 houses down I'd happily give them an easement for a reasonable fee. | |
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said by Kasoah:I'd be against this too. Who wants at&t's old outdated shit speeds? S.F. residents are also balking at Sonic.net deployment of fiber ... | |
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r81984
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2014-May-26 2:25 pm
Re: If you allow people to vote...Link? This makes no sense as fiber gear will either be underground or on the existing utility poles. | |
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Re: If you allow people to vote...Second post, by Sonic.net CEO, Dane Jasper: » forums.sonic.net/viewtop ··· cf260476Remember, this is San Francisco, the largest autonomous insane asylum in the nation; possibly the world. Where the police don't always enforce public decency laws, and the resident nudists clashed with their neighbors over a proposed city ordinance which would require the nudists to carry towels to be placed under their bare butts when they sat upon public seats and benches. Also see: » www.sfgate.com/business/ ··· 1004.phpFor a description of some the the equipment boxes Sonic.net intends to deploy. | |
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to Kasoah
said by Kasoah:I'd be against this too. Who wants at&t's old outdated shit speeds? They aren't the best, but they aren't that bad either. Who cares about getting 100 Mbps speeds if you're still stuck with slow upload and a 250-300 GB cap? At a certain point, things are fast enough. Most people will be happy if they can stream HD video and still browse the web without things feeling slow. I would rather have decent competition vs. no competition at all. When U-verse came into town, TWC suddenly started offering better promotions and better retention deals. They also bumped up their connection speeds a little. Connection speeds aren't the most important factor anyways. At the end of the day, U-verse works better than TWC for me even though the Internet speeds are slightly slower. I get no packet loss on the Internet and stable TV service with U-verse. I'll take a connection that is stable and fast enough over a connection that is less stable but faster. That's how it works for me... someone living across the street might have the opposite experience with the two providers. That's why competition is good. | |
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Re: If you allow people to vote...T doesn't enforce the cap on U-Verse. | |
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jimk
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2014-May-24 5:49 pm
Re: If you allow people to vote...said by ITGeeks:T doesn't enforce the cap on U-Verse. Right, but that could change at any time. Some ISPs do enforce caps, so my point was just about Internet service in general, not necessarily a specific provider. I'm really just trying to say that one needs to look at the big picture when making choices on an ISP (if they have a choice), rather than just looking at who has the most impressive looking speeds in their marketing materials. | |
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said by Kasoah:I'd be against this too. Who wants at&t's old outdated shit speeds? The purpose of placing the new cabinets is to deliver AT&T U-Verse speeds of 45 and soon 75 Mbps. I suspect most of the country would be very happy with U-Verse speeds. Its only a question of price, and whether you can buy a large enough bottle of Tums to deal with the agony that is AT&T customer service.
Even if you don't care for it, it will serve to keep cable broadband rates in check. | |
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| r81984Fair and Balanced
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to weaseled386
Maybe ATT should stop using old technology and just use Fiber to the home which eliminates all the VRAD boxes.
VRAD boxes is way outdated technology from 10 years ago. SF has the right to force ATT to use new fiber to the home tech or GTFO. | |
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Forget those knuckle heads in California come to Mississippi and upgrade us we will love you for it.
sincerely a customer | |
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2014-May-23 8:51 pm
Re: letteryeah, bring on the VRADs/gigapower in western NC, too! | |
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said by lostinms:Dear AT&T
Forget those knuckle heads in California come to Mississippi and upgrade us we will love you for it.
sincerely a customer There are normal people in California. Unfortunately we are way out numbered by the wackos.  It's a daily struggle.  | |
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2014-May-24 5:35 am
Re: lettersaid by Graystoke:There are normal people in California. But very few in San Francisco where politically correct extremists predominate. | |
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Re: lettersame here in albany ga... hell im on a main 5 lane through town and cant get DSL (unless of course you talk to a rep online, then they tell you they provide it to the entire state). so thanks to that i get to choose mediacom or,, well, nothing. since i dont consider cellular or satellite a viable alternative. of course with them pushing the "wireless home phone service that doesnt even have name caller i.d." i doubt it will ever happen. | |
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said by Graystoke:said by lostinms:Dear AT&T
Forget those knuckle heads in California come to Mississippi and upgrade us we will love you for it.
sincerely a customer There are normal people in California. Unfortunately we are way out numbered by the wackos. It's a daily struggle. No way in heck I could live in The People's Republic of Kalifornia. | |
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whinersUpgrade elsewhere and just switch them back to dialup.... | |
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Re: whinersWhy do that? Just sell the exchange off. | |
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San Francisco's neighborhood groupsEventually, AT&T and the City will come to some kind of an accommodation regarding placement of the VRAD cabinets since the Courts have ruled in AT&T's favor. All the current bluster is just that, trying to get AT&T to show more leeway in cabinet placement in various neighborhoods. Many areas in the City have all utilities underground, including phone, cable and electricity. Even the electrical transformers are placed in vaults in the sidewalk; and of course, San Franciscans choose to pay for it though our utility rates. AT&T wants special dispensation to place the cabinets on sidewalk right-of-way without any input from neighborhood groups and City Supervisors are responding to such demands. Some would call that a representative democracy.  U-Verse, or other internet options such as Sonic.net fiber to the home, will happen eventually in San Francisco due to the concentration of a tech-savvy population. | |
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Re: San Francisco's neighborhood groupsPlacing transformers under sidewalks are dangerous when they explode due to not being maintained as they would above. And placing a DSLAM under ground is much different than a regular cable or phone line.
Also AT&T already has permits to use the ROW. Didn't CA give them a state wide franchise? | |
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| r81984Fair and Balanced
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to Tobester
It would be wrong to force 10 year old technology onto a city. ATT should be doing fiber to the home which future proofs the city for internet for the next 100+ years and does not have ugly outdated VRADs. | |
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gadawg
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2014-May-23 5:47 pm
Old article?Is this new or reposting an old link? | |
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Re: Old article?This is a new article.
I believe the "old" case you refer to is the Court case which AT&T won allowing VRADs on city sidewalk right-of-way.
This "new" suit by AT&T against San Francisco is regarding VRAD placement locations on those sidewalks. | |
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BiggA
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2014-May-23 6:14 pm
Just do GPONThen they won't need the cabinets. U-Verse IPTV will run fine over it. And the techies in SF will appreciate the gigabit speeds. | |
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silbaco
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2014-May-23 6:43 pm
Re: Just do GPONThey would still find something to complain about. | |
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Sorry, but this statement isn't exactly correct. Depending on distance from the CO they'd still need to place cabinets. There would be fewer of them, but the Alcatel 7342 cabinets are a bit larger than the 7330 cabinets. | |
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rerunThis article struck me as a 'reprint' also. I think the bulk of the article we've seen here before, but the updated part is at the end where it tells us ATT is suing the city. | |
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loli
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2014-May-23 6:40 pm
The thumbnailI just noticed the freaking flower in the corner after all the times it's been used. lol... | |
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Soho97UK
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2014-May-23 7:36 pm
FTTC rollout in UKThese "fibre twins" have been rolled out across the UK without too many complaints, most people are just happy to get 80/20 VDSL2. Next step vectoring (until FTTP comes along - hopefully).  | |
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2014-May-23 8:48 pm
heckive heard SF is full of snooty's, guess this is an example....too bad for people that want to get away from their awful cable company.....everyone should have a choice in ISP, it is sad that some lame-o's are inhibiting this | |
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ATT cheaped outThey should have run all fiber like Verizon is doing. Get rid of the need for the VRADs | |
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2014-May-23 10:22 pm
Re: ATT cheaped outsaid by PoloDude:They should have run all fiber like Verizon is doing. Sounds good...except for all the places Verizon decided not to fiber, and the patchwork coverage in areas they claim to be fibering. At this point I'm not sure if FiOS is great model for fiber success because of the 5 million that do get it, or a warning about the tens of millions Verizon dumped or now ignores who will never get it. | |
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2014-May-23 10:22 pm
google fiberGoogle fiber is just chomping at the bit to enter the SF/oakland market LOL | |
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2014-May-24 1:24 am
It's funny...that people keep on thinking how terrible SF is when ATT is trying to deploy old tech with outdated equipment.
While at the same time SF are welcoming Sonic's fiber deployment. | |
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2014-May-25 1:09 am
ComplainersAnyone who does not want utility cabinets, cell phone towers, high voltage lines, etc should have to be signed up on a list that service providers could use to deny services to them. Those people are probably the first to complain when their service does not work or they can't get a service in their area. It takes longer to access and repair these things when they are hidden or have landscaping in the way, or are otherwise not easily accessible.
Maybe there needs to be areas of the country that those people could live where there is no electricity, TV, phone (wireline or wireless), and no Internet service available for 100 Miles. | |
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kenn10
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2014-May-26 12:56 pm
Re: ComplainersYeah. Like Vermont where they don't want cell towers or more electric lines and internet access is nearly non-existent. The East Coast has its wackos too! | |
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NIMBYWell what a surprise... NIMBYs in San Francisco. | |
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