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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI | Re: Truth hurts? I don't think AT&T has a leg to stand on, especially if Verizon got that map from AT&T's website. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Truth hurts? EGG-ZACKLY!
I hope Verizon wis big on this one.
Buncha whiners. | |
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join:2002-11-09
Manville, NJ | Re: Truth hurts? VZ should come out fine on this...they hired an independent contractor to map both companies coverage. Since T didn't have a good public map...lol...guess they do now and don't like it
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Judge Judy Presiding
"I've read your complaint, AT&T and don't understand it. You....I'M SPEAKING! WHEN I TALK, ZIP IT! GOT IT? You say their ads are false, right?"
"Yes." (T)
"How are they false since the map they are using came from your website?"
"Well, in the other areas we have the EDGE network."
"Is that 3G?"
"No, it is called EDGE but most call it 3G."
"I assume the call quality and Internet speads are the same then, right?"
"That is a technical question. 3G is the main network..."
"So, the EDGE network is the old network, right?"
"Yes, so to speak."
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'SO TO SPEAK'?"
"The speeds are not always the same."
"I read they are quite different. Burt tells me the iPhone doesn't work as well in EDGE areas as they do in 3G."
"That's Burt's opinion."
"HE VIDEOD IT. FAST IN 3G AND SLOW IN EDGE. YOU THINK BURT IS LYING?"
"No, Ma'am."
"So, then, you must agree the ads are correct..."
"NO!"
"I'M SPEAKING!"
"Sorry, Your Honor."
"The ads are correct then. I've seen ads for stuff on informercials that are a load of crap so how is Verizon's ads incorrect? THEY HAVE YOUR MAP!"
"You Honor, we'd like to move to another venue."
"Sorry, YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT TO SETTLE THIS DISPUTE AND THE RULING HERE IS FINAL. GOT IT? DENIED!"
"Verizon, did you have any intent on lying in these ads?"
"No, we used AT&T's own maps."
"Got it. Seems responsible to me..."
"It doesn't to us."
"I DON'T CARE. I DECIDE THE ISSUES. DID YOUR MOMMA EVER TELL YOU TO BE QUIET WHEN ANOTHER PERSON IS SPEAKING? DID LAW SCHOOL TELL YOU TO SHUT UP WHEN THE JUDGE IS TALKING? I BET!"
"Yes, sorry."
"Well, since I think this lawsuit is POPPYCOCK AND UTTERLY RIDICULOUS, I'M DISMISSING YOUR COMPLAINT. Dismiss the complaint and no injunction. Follow me here, counselor?"
"Yes, Your Honor."
"Now, if you have total 3G coverage, WHICH YOU DON'T, you can then sue them. On their counterclaim, I am going to award them the $58,000 in legal fees..."
"You Honor?"
'YES, I DID. $58,000 FOR THE DEFENDANT AND YOUR COMPLAINT IS DISMISSED. GET A BETTER NETWORK! Step out."
On the next Judge Judy, President Obama is being sued over his citizenship. Don't miss it! | |
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| | DesdinovaPremium
join:2003-01-26
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I almost sharted meself.
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join:2002-04-05
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kudos:1 | AT&T has lighting fast broadband covering 100% of the United States. Beat that Verizon!!
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join:2002-04-05
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kudos:1 | Re: Truth hurts? said by compuguybna:Yeah, using WILDBLUE, which isn't an AT&T service. said by patcat88:AT&T has lighting fast broadband covering 100% of the United States. Beat that Verizon!! » www.attwb.net/ But its called "AT&T High Speed Internet via Satellite" not Wildblue. And AT&T already says its offered by them, not Wildblue »AT&T Wants 100% Broadband Coverage By 2014 . | |
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join:2002-04-05
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kudos:1 | Re: Truth hurts? said by hottboiinnc:it says Provided By WildBlue. So yes, the service IS NOT provided by ATT in fact just most likely resold services Who provides it isn't the question. Its sold by AT&T. | |
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join:2001-03-28
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| Re: Truth hurts? said by patcat88:said by hottboiinnc:it says Provided By WildBlue. So yes, the service IS NOT provided by ATT in fact just most likely resold services Who provides it isn't the question. Its sold by AT&T. no, the question is whether that service is for mobile devices. It is not. It's for homes.
Your troll attempt was weak. Try harder next time.
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Madison, AL | Agreed... The map clearly states 3G coverage...  | |
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | I think.. Verizon has a larger 3G network covering a larger amount of the United States. | |
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join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL Reviews:
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| Re: I think.. said by Rob:Verizon has a larger 3G network covering a larger amount of the United States. Yeah, I think that's been covered already.  | |
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join:2001-08-25
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kudos:2 | Re: I think.. That's accurate. Clearly VZW beats AT&T, which would explain AT&T's lawsuit. If it wasn't true, AT&T would fire back with research, data, commercials, etc.
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: I think.. No it's not. It's horribly outdated. It may say "as of August", but I can see clearly that both the ATT and the T-Mobile coverage maps are at least 6 months outdated. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Verizon should do outdoor ads with that poster or something. It's all the modern-day customer needs to know: "Here's why our plans are the most expensive."
Plus, Sprint doesn't look half bad in that map, what with Simply Everything weighing in at MUCH less than Verizon charges for a similar smartphone plan. | |
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join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA | WOW. That right there is an ad in and of itself. VZ should really just show that (as the comment above says). Sprint doesn't look half bad. Poor T-Mo looks horrible there. | |
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join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL | Save your time and resources by not suing Verizon and build out your 3G network! Sheesh! | |
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join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL Reviews:
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| Re: Save your time and resources said by fancydancer:by not suing Verizon and build out your 3G network! Sheesh! There you go bringing logic into the discussion...  | |
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join:2001-06-15
Mchenry, IL
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1 edit | Not truly 3g I thought the map Verizon is showing shows there voice network not the 3G network. I know areas they show on that map as 3G aren't. Honestly VZ's site is a bit confusing with all the variations of data services. It should just show 3G period not so many variations. | |
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | Too bad this will get settled I would love to see ATT argue this in a trial but chances are it doesn't get that far.
Big Red must have hit an artery or something.
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|  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Too bad this will get settled I'm sure they did... AT&T doesn't like the truth (or a resemblance of it).
The '5x' may be '5x by coverage area and not population', or 'it may be 4.9x and not 5x'. Something for lawyers to haggle over.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Too bad this will get settled Of course it's 5x by area, just like Alltel's old wireless commercials trumpeting their wireless superiority. Which is perfectly fine; I don't know of a single area that Verizon doesn't have covered that AT&T does for 3G, aside from maybe a pocket or two in former Dobson CellOne territory where the former operator actually cared about covering semi-rural areas.
Of course, it would REALLY be sucky if Verizon covered 5x as many PEOPLE with 3G as AT&T. That would mean that AT&T covered les than 60 million folks.
Of course, lawyers might bring the above up but Verizon was comparing maps, not population density graphs. I have an AT&T data card right now because I got it when the $20-for-unlimited GoPhone loophole was still open, and because AT&T's network in my hometown isn't yet saturated because they just launched it at the beginning of October. However the minute I see my speeds drop much below 2 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up the AT&T service will be cancelled. Nice thing about my relationship with AT&T is it's month-to-month, thanks to my buying my own aircard a year and a half ago.
At that point, Ill be back to using mobile broadband that only has a T1 to the nearest tower, but by then hopefully Clear will expand up from San Antonio or Verizon will bring DSL out to me. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Too bad this will get settled Clear might be out in this area in a few years... I don't expect any miracles though.
I'll stick to having my corp paid Sprint Treo 800w and tether, when Sprint is down, I use my AT&T HTC tilt.
Rev A Treo vs Tilt 3.6Mbps, essentially no difference here.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Too bad this will get settled Cool. AT&T's network seems to be MUCH more variable by area; folks in FL seem to be fine, and elsewhere the network is an epic fail. Like in Denver up until a few days ago for example. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Too bad this will get settled Florida (east) has BOTH Cell A and B licenses + some PCS (insane!)
SoCal has roughly the same spectrum as Denver (been there), AT&T took their sweet time deploying a 2nd carrier channel in Denver, and everyone there suffered.
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join:2005-02-15
San Luis Obispo, CA | Too Much Cash Obviously AT&T has way too much extra cash laying around to waste same in this idiotic lawsuit. | |
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| | | Re: Too Much Cash said by MTU:Obviously AT&T has way too much extra cash laying around to waste same in this idiotic lawsuit. Exactly... instead of wasting money on lawyers why not just fix the network? | |
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | Re: Too Much Cash said by fifty nine:said by MTU:Obviously AT&T has way too much extra cash laying around to waste same in this idiotic lawsuit. Exactly... instead of wasting money on lawyers why not just fix the network? this is why AT&T as a company is kind of a douche. | |
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| | | | said by fifty nine:said by MTU:Obviously AT&T has way too much extra cash laying around to waste same in this idiotic lawsuit. Exactly... instead of wasting money on lawyers why not just fix the network? Lawyers are cheaper.
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If I was Verizon, I would run an ad clarifying that.
"AT&T has recently filed a lawsuit against us claiming you are too stupid to read these giant '3G Coverage' lines on the map in our commercial. We assumed you weren't so stupid, but to appease AT&T, here are those maps again." - with "3G Coverage Map" flashing in neon colors. | |
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| Re: Seems pretty clear cut to me... said by Camelot One:If I was Verizon, I would run an ad clarifying that. "AT&T has recently filed a lawsuit against us claiming you are too stupid to read these giant '3G Coverage' lines on the map in our commercial. We assumed you weren't so stupid, but to appease AT&T, here are those maps again." - with "3G Coverage Map" flashing in neon colors. Brilliant!
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | I'd throw in a cheap shot directed at the iPhone users too, just because. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | +5 Awesome. If Verizon ran that ad and put it on Twitter I'd definitely retweet, Facebook post, etc. Fortunately there aren't any blatant AT&Tools in my life, but still... | |
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join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA | You have an great point. AT&T is clearly grasping at straws to get a lawsuit out of this. VZW has *already* edited the ads at AT&T's request. They removed a line from the ad ("out of touch", trying to clarify that voice calls aren't affected by this) and added a disclaimer saying that voice & data service is still available outside of 3G areas. | |
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Go, Verizon, Go! What are they suing for, "definition of character?"
It's about time that Verizon grew a pair and rightfully started challenging its brethren.
Great job, VZ(W)! | |
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join:2004-08-02
Seattle, WA | To AT&T..... Cry me a f'in river, build a bridge and get the f over it. | |
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Re: To AT&T..... said by Steve B:Cry me a f'in river, build a bridge and get the f over it. I'd rather they build more 3G markets than a bridge | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T DSL Service
| said by Steve B:Cry me a f'in river, build a bridge and get the f over it. LOL @ that one.
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: coverage That's the concept behind many local carriers, plus MetroPCS and CricKet. However my Florida relatives on MetroPCS have to roam in my area of Texas (albeit cheaply/for free) and CricKet coverage sucks back home and their network is overloaded here (Denver).
If I wasn't hopping between central TX and Denver (and stuck around Central TX) I'd probably have a Millenicom-powered Sprint aircard and would convince the family to sign up for a local carrier that has $10-per-month unlimited add-a-line service on free BlackBerry Curves (the new ones that look like the Bold) and awesome coverage. Of course, I'd use my original iPhone on that network and use WiFi whenever possible because that local carrier's data network was atrocious last I checked, but you get the idea.
If you're in an area with four or five 3G providers (AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, CricKet or US Cellular) then good for you. However God help you if you want to use your phone at high speed elsewhere and have TMo, CricKet or AT&T. | |
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| Re: coverage The DC/Baltimore area is in exactly that sitch (all except US Cellular provide 3G in DC; Sprint ups the ante with 4G/Clear in B-more). The reason I recommend VZW is not everybody is a homebody (heck, if you merely want to go to WV or DE and have anyone but VZW for 3G, you're in a world of pain). | |
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| AZ Maps...sad but true Funny that when I travel to the southern end of my state and visit in Nogales, AZ, I get a strong 3G signal...from Mexico.
It amazes me that AT&T has lacked any aggressive plans to build out their 3G network.
I, too, hope that Verizon creates an ad slamming AT&T for this frivolous lawsuit. | |
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what has that got to do with anything? gimme a break...
at&t really does think we are stupid. they are probably right, but that's not Verizon's fault.
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join:2009-02-08
Manitowoc, WI | Just sue each other out of existence Just no honor among crooks! | |
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI | Redline Telephone & Telegraph strikes again I think they dug their own grave.
According to Verizon's map, it appears like T cherry-picked the areas where they wanted to deploy 3G. As a result of their own frugal actions, they now have a smaller coverage area than Verizon.
They only have themselves to blame.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: We can thank the Alltel Puchase! Yep. AT&T even got some of Alltel's rural bits, but Alltel was a CDMA-primary company and thus didn't deploy HSPA on any of their network. So while Verizon got a VERY solid (albeit Rev. 0 in many areas, though that's easily fixed) network with tons of 3G, AT&T got a smidgen of GSM here and there.
Timeto start doing a 3G buildout, boys. Here's hoping the judge saves VZW some money and throws out the case. That was Verizon can add some backhauls to their towers around here, many of which seem to only be connected via a T1. Better than EDGE though... | |
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join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| Re: We can thank the Alltel Puchase! Indeed. Amazed that they offer 3G where I am (used to be Alltel...). Suddenly the turf has been "assimilated." Sprint offers decent data service here too, though I've seen (3G/)4G cards in the store for months now... would be cool to see that here!
...EDGE is the best AT&T and T-Mobile have here...
......My carrier, U.S. Cellular... no 3G here 
At least it looks like they're trying to cover the same area as analog used to. I recall an old AT&T car-phone (analog) that worked in all sorts of places. Either way, CDMA is just more prevalent here it seems... As some have pointed out, even Sprint has some mojo these days when it comes to areas actually covered, and covered well.
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Alltel — In 2005 disclosed that only 15% of their total customer base are still using the existing analog network. The company has posted a three phase turn down schedule, which was completed in September 2008. With the recent acquisition of Western Wireless, Alltel now takes the claim of the "largest network in America." The claim was true, oddly enough because of wide analog coverage in rural areas. All Alltel AMPS and D-AMPS service was discontinued in September 2008 | |
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At&t coverage is larger then that but their faster HSPA coverage is exactly that small. But What one doesn't realize is that At&t has more 3g users in those area's and their network is a ways faster then Verizon. It's a bit misleading on Verizon part as people think all 3G is equal when they are not. | |
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| Re: eh The ad isn't about the |speed|of the network, it is about the |size| of the network. Big difference.
As an example, I am sure that the people in Georgia SOUTH of Atlanta could care less how fast the AT&T 3G network is IN Atlanta because they can't get it. | |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Fix It I hope Verizon countersues and wins big. The maps are accurate and so are the ads.
If AT&T doesn't like the fact that Verizon has more 3G coverage than AT&T, then AT&T should get off its rear end and expand 3G coverage.
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join:2009-06-23
Tallahassee, FL Reviews:
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| slow mo AT&T I find it quite funny that AT&T is launching 3G coverage in areas where Verizon, Alltel, & Sprint had 3G for years. For instance, T did a press release regarding their expanded 3G foot print in central/south Georgia. Verizon has had 3G in central GA for almost 2 years (at least)... before they bought Alltel, Verizon built out PCS service in GA and launched 3G on it last year!!!! The way T is moving, Sprint's 4G coverage will be equal to T's 3G.... sheesh!!!! | |
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: slow mo AT&T said by QLR:I find it quite funny that AT&T is launching 3G coverage in areas where Verizon, Alltel, & Sprint had 3G for years. For instance, T did a press release regarding their expanded 3G foot print in central/south Georgia. Verizon has had 3G in central GA for almost 2 years (at least)... before they bought Alltel, Verizon built out PCS service in GA and launched 3G on it last year!!!! The way T is moving, Sprint's 4G coverage will be equal to T's 3G.... sheesh!!!! It's basic economics. Verizon, Alltel, and Sprint are effectively running the same networks they've had for almost 15 years. Simply upgrading from CDMAOne (Is95) to CDMA2000, to 1xRTT to EVDO Rev 0 to EVDO Rev A.
It's much cheaper to expand and upgrade existing infrastructure.
ATT, on the other hand, has had 3 distinct networks. AMPS, GSM, and UMTS are all 3 different technologies. GSM's only viable upgrade was EDGE. UMTS has the benefits of HSPA (in the form of HSDPA and HSUPA), and HSPA+ (21mbps and 42mbps).
The costs of deploying 3 networks, vs upgrading the same one mean that coverage will definitely take a hit.
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