 hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
 ·Time Warner VOIP
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| LECs & Money It all comes down to the LECs losing money from people changing over to Vonage and other VoIPs. Vonage is the largest so why not go after them is what they see? They can't go after Packet8 since they do have their own patents.
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Lil Jon
Premium
join:2006-06-26
Lawrenceville, GA
| Re: LECs & Money said by hottboiinnc  :It all comes down to the LECs losing money from people changing over to Vonage and other VoIPs. Vonage is the largest so why not go after them is what they see? They can't go after Packet8 since they do have their own patents. Just away to shut them down. The new american way- if you can't beat them sue them. cosign | |
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Hazeleyze
join:2003-05-09
Wauseon, OH | Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... You ask me they're all acting like a bunch of two year olds.
"Mommy, he took that from me!" | |
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Jeffrey
Vandelay Industries Inc.
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Long Island
clubs:
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·Vonage
| Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... said by Hazeleyze :You ask me they're all acting like a bunch of two year olds. "Mommy, he took that from me!" That's big business for you. Can't beat e'm?...Sue the shit out of them.
Vonage has been or is in the process of being sued by four companies..
Sprint (settled)
AT&T (new)
Verizon (ongoing)
Klausner Technologies (settled)
I'd like the see the lawyer bills Vonage is paying.
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... You don't have bills when their staffed. Its cheaper that way.  We'll staffed and salaried --- no over time. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... Somebody a little long? | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
 ·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
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| said by Jeffrey :said by Hazeleyze :You ask me they're all acting like a bunch of two year olds. "Mommy, he took that from me!" That's big business for you. Can't beat e'm?...Sue the shit out of them. Vonage has been or is in the process of being sued by four companies.. Sprint (settled) AT&T (new) Verizon (ongoing) Klausner Technologies (settled) I'd like the see the lawyer bills Vonage is paying. Well, in following this Vonage thing, I seem to think it's more like "Can't comeup with our own ways to do business, lets steal someone else's and see if they notice". I don't recall seeing Vonage doing any R&D to come up with their own VoIP model so there you have it. Did people think the people who put millions into the technology to sit back, bleed customers and grin and bare it? Sprint did the right thing, VZ and AT&T are being stupid but it could be VZ being left without a chair to sit on. I'm sure there was no pitty party for AOL when they felt that after all the money was spent by cable's build out and upgrades, they should be able to ride someone elses coax for free or on the cheep. It never happened (gee I wonder why?). Vonage screwed up, plain and simple. They didn't do their homework to ensure they were not stepping on someones toes or as it's perceived, just didn't care. Why are all the big telcos the bad guy when this is standard practice? | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·Time Warner VOIP
·1and1
| Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... As for AOL sitting and riding for free? The only network they were on was RoadRunner; which is owned by Time Warner. Who owns Time Warner Cable. Either way TWC/TW was making money.
The wholesale model of the last mile might not make them a whole lot of money but either way their not losing a customer. The LMP is actually keeping the customers. And actually at a reduced rate; no tech support, no trouble shooting for them. NOTHING but maybe billing the actual customer. and then writing a check to the ISP for their part of the revenue. It would actually make sense to build a network and then lease/wholesale it instead of operating it yourself. you don't have to deal directly with the customers. saves a ton of $$$$$ in support and customer service especially if you don't bill for the ISP either. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·Time Warner VOIP
·1and1
| Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... AOL was not the one that lobbied for open access. it was another ISP that was the full steam boat for that out in Cali. Why would AOL want to do that when they had all of the TWC lines for that. Also you don't wholesale for free. you actually PAY for the lines. So does the End-User and as far as AT$T charging what they want and crying over the copper network; that network should be open and left open and intact. They did not pay for that network themselves like the cable companies did. AT&T and VZ used the government to give them their service areas and customers they have today. If it wasn't for the gov't giving tax credits and everything else to them we wouldn't have had a telephone network when it came out. Hell even with the gov't protecting them we still aren't what other countries have in terms of communications and internet. The copper lines should be turned over to a different company and let them wholesale them out to anyone they want if the bells want to go into the FTTC or FTTP. The only thing the bells should get is to rebuild their entire network all over again; its not like they don't have the money; VZ is doing it so why can't AT$T?
And just for the record- MCI still does offer services over AT$T and VZ Lines; under the MCI brand. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
·VoiceEclipse
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October 24th, @03:18AM
| Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... But TWC isn't everywhere. I knew only of AOL since they seem to be the name everyone relates to. In my area, it's Comcast, WOW, AT&T, and I think there was a article in the paper about it. But anyway.. it never fails that when customers benefits, they (the consumer) seem to think it's ok for another provider to erode on other providers right-of-way, programing, infrastructure and R&D. Sorta like a dog circling the table hoping for a scrap to fall from the table. I'm not knocking Vonage as a service, just they and it's customers need to understand that what they were doing wasn't right and are now paying the price, as they should have from the get go. That's why I said Sprint did the smart thing and cut them some slack. The others should too. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·Time Warner VOIP
·1and1
| Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... The thing though is with Vonage though some of the patents that VZ says they own were open source at one time. And Vonage seen that they were open source so used them. You shouldnt be able to take something that is open source and throw your name on it and say its yours when you didnt develop it. And on top that of VZ never developed the items anyway. they were MCI's. VZ only got them because of the merger of VZ Business and MCI.
Once open source always open source. Someone shouldnt be able to claim its theres regardless of what happened. Really the only one that should be able to claim anything is the Bell Labs may have some say in it. But then again There is not a Bell Labs anymore. What was Lucent is now some other company (can't remember their name but their name is attached to VZW's ads in news papers). But still. VZ, Sprint, and ATT shouldnt be doing this just to put them out of business like they want to or to claim something is there's because they stamped the Bell name all over it but even then Sprint never was a bell and don't think they even developed anything.
Vonage really isnt paying a price but dragging them through court. Vonage will always be here until either they can't survive because of the bells or the Cable Co's but either way someone would buy them up. Prolly even Packet8 since they have no dependency on the bell$ for technology. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI | Re: Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys... Agree. | |
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texans20
TaxHikeMike dot org
Premium
join:2002-09-28
Texas!
clubs:
| AT&T They merged, but it's just a matter of time before they become a small company again. Landlines are a thing of the past, they're bleeding customers to cable companies along with people who just use a cell phone. T-Mobile has hotspot, and Sprint is testing a mobile CDMA tower that can go right into your home giving a perfect signal (and unlimited calling when attached to the device).
I know a lot of people who didn't want to drop their landline because they have a flaky signal at home. Well, once these products take off there goes more customers.
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join:2001-08-30
Beaufort, SC
·Packet8
·Skype
·Vonage
| Re: AT&T they are losign allot but that is why they are getting into the cable business. They are the only one that can offer a true quad play. Yeah TWC is offering wireless in a partnership with sprint. But my mom has FIOS with verizon cable phone and internet for 100 a month. and wireless for I think 40.00 extra. not bad. But verizon and att are the only ones in postion since sprint spun off their landlines! | |
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MrMoody
Sittin downtown in a railway station
join:2002-09-03
Clayton, NC
·Embarq
| Re: AT&T said by wombough :They are the only one that can offer a true quad play. Sooner or later one of the big cable players will buy a wireless player (or vice versa) and then that won't be true any more, either.
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join:2001-08-30
Beaufort, SC | Re: AT&T yeah but their are more cable companies then local phone co. Like here in SC their are 3 cable companies and 1 phone. Were my family lives in NJ there are about 4 cable companies that I know of. And yup only one phone. Verizon! | |
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by MrMoody :said by wombough :They are the only one that can offer a true quad play. Sooner or later one of the big cable players will buy a wireless player (or vice versa) and then that won't be true any more, either. Comcast had wireless in Philly anyway.
They were forced to divest the business when they started gobbling up cable companies in the 90's.
BTW Comcast -> Cingular -> AT+T
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seant169
join:2003-07-21
Forney, TX
·Suddenlink
| LOL Not surprised. LOL
Vonage is awesome and ATT sux
ATT is back together now to rule the planet
as the largest monopoly to uprise again .
There should be a new law or bill keeping ATT or any company from using the old shitty copper network that they rely on. and only fiber or better products be used in order to force them into the same laws as cable providers.
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prestonlewis
Premium,MVM
join:2003-04-13
Sacramento, CA | AT&T Horror AT&T (really SBC who took AT&T's name)=bad.
Vonage = Good.
Simply better (to use a defunct bank's service mark) | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Re: AT&T Horror ATT + Cash + Lobbiest + Kevin Martin + the court system = Vonage as toast!
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Vonage commercial.. In the latest vonage commercial they compare themselves to the "traditional phone company" who's been around FOREVER. The screen keeps edging the traditional phone company out to take a look at Vonage's price, service and customer benefits. One last quip; the only thing the phone company has changed is its prices (hinting at HIGHER prices). The only one who's getting edged out in REALITY is vonage.
Hmm..
It looks as if this battle is just about over.. by this time next year, there won't BE a Vonage. Vonage stopped their last commercials running the "people do stupid things campaign". The same can be said about Vonage running smack dab from one patent infringement lawsuit from a telco into another?!?
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Nyc | Re: Vonage commercial.. When u get sued and are a big company insurance pays for that. | |
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Premium
join:2000-11-02
New York
·Optimum Online
| Re: Vonage commercial.. said by brooklynman4 :When u get sued and are a big company insurance pays for that. Until nobody is willing to insure you. | |
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join:2000-10-02
Englewood, OH
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| I can't say I have researched this and in fact it may have been discussed to don't get mad with me if it has been discussed to death.
Since the announcement of the Sprint deal my thoughts have agreed with dualsub2006 -- They've done this to protect themselves. "Go sue Sprint -- we licensed it from them." | |
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Premium
join:2002-03-17
Andover, MN
clubs: | I'm sure google will just buy them up at that point. | |
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supernac
join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO | Maybe its vonage's fault?? Lets see, this is the forth time they are being sued for patent issues. Maybe they shouldn't be using other companies patented technologies!!! | |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Re: Maybe its vonage's fault?? Maybe the US Patent office should stop handing out patents for the obvious. | |
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supernac
join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO | Re: Maybe its vonage's fault?? Packet8 doesn't have this problem. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | T Wants their piece of the vonage pie while theres something left to take.
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admiral_ross
Honor Our Heros, Our Armed Forces
Premium
join:2002-04-10
Lafayette, IN
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Trinijoy
Premium
join:2005-09-12
Brick, NJ
·Vonage
| Re: I give them a year! Well here is my Two cents:
If they didn't use idiotic Judges and Idiotic Juries who are not computer savy or know what they heck they are talking about. Let alone know how to turn on a computer or know what a phone cord is, making decisions whether or not Vonage "violated" these patents or not.
If the judge had two brain cells he would know, that ALL VOIP COMPANIES USE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT VONAGE uses. This is ridiculous and becoming a big joke. Because companies don't know what real competition is they just sue each other, and of course THEY ALL waited for Vonage to go public. This is crazy. | |
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admiral_ross
Honor Our Heros, Our Armed Forces
Premium
join:2002-04-10
Lafayette, IN | Re: I give them a year! You are so right about that! It's like you selling computer support. You have a sales person but most of the time they AREN'T savvy. But if they were savvy sales would go over much better. | |
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join:2007-07-13
New Port Richey, FL | Re: I give them a year! AT&T has not existed for years. Phones with AT&T logo have been made by Lucent, Philips and VTech over the years. It is a 'virtual' brand like Polaroid and Westinghouse. AT&T means nothing anymore. | |
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AT&T Sues Vonage
