 | | Preparation Of course AT&T knew about the wave of traffic. They have no real competition due to the nature of the US wireless market and its handset exclusivity issues. They can do whatever the heck they want, not even bother to spend a little extra money to properly prepare for the iPhone launch, without having to worry about consumers lashing out at them by signing up with another carrier that has the iPhone.
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kudos:2 | Re: Preparation said by sonicmerlin:They have no real competition due to the nature of the US wireless market and its handset exclusivity issues. Right, because at least four major nationwide wireless providers, along with numerous smaller providers, and countless choices for handsets make for such a poor wireless market. | |
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The antitrust measurement gauge that the FCC uses, the Herfindahl-Hirschman Index, has jumped by almost 700 points since the agency first began using it in 2003. That's a 32 percent increase. Some of this newer concentration is a consequence of mergers over the last few years: AT&T/Aloha, T-Mobile/Suncom, Verizon Wireless/Rural Cellular, and Verizon Wireless/Alltel.
So the wireless sector HHI is now at 2848, the agency says, which doesn't mean diddly until you know that the Department of Justice regards a market to be "highly concentrated" if, following a merger, the HHI in a given industry throttles past 1800. The FCC typically starts to eyeball the situation after a post-merger calculation of 2880. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Preparation Ok? I'm actually shopping around for new devices, with the potential of switching to a new carrier right now. I honestly have no issues with the wide variety of choices...regardless of what some index is pegged at. So, your initial claim of "no real competition" is totally unfounded IMO based on my ongoing research for new/additional ways to spend my hard-earned money. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Preparation said by openbox9:Ok? I'm actually shopping around for new devices, with the potential of switching to a new carrier right now. I honestly have no issues with the wide variety of choices...regardless of what some index is pegged at. So, your initial claim of "no real competition" is totally unfounded IMO based on my ongoing research for new/additional ways to spend my hard-earned money. So your anecdotal evidence that conveniently ignores the issues inherent to the US wireless industry is more significant than a well-established measurement of industry concentration? Right. Swim harder. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Preparation So my (and many others') actual experience compared to a made up index isn't significant? | |
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1 edit | Re: Preparation said by openbox9:So my (and many others') actual experience compared to a made up index isn't significant? You're in the wealthy, densely populated, highly visited by outside users, and extensive flats around D.C.. That's hardly representative of national marketplace options.
Outside major metros there's usually one or two dominant operators who can justify presence on all (or nearly all) towers & the deployment of new tech with lesser players relegated to strategically spotty coverage and competing on price, bundles, locked handset offerings and plan options. People must chose by least-evil based on individual needs and hope their needs (new job commute?, kids go to different school?) don't force broken contracts, useless handsets replaced by yet another locked device, change of numbers, etc., etc..
USCellular (who long ago built all the towers) has been dominant in my service area with VZ recently matching tower presence and grabbing customers via aggressive family plans and in anticipation of LTE (someday) broadband deployment. Wide swaths of area have no wireless or broadband service. Zero. We'll see how long it takes VZ to steal back the slew of wireline customers they sold to Fairpoint. USCellular shows no signs of delivering decent data connectivity (not even a smartphone offering yet) and is on a one-way road to tower & backhaul wholesaling. Result: our single good choice changes and most of us will transition regardless of sunk costs or VZ terms. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Preparation And before I was in a sparsely populated, not quite vacation hotspot, typically not visited by large numbers of outside users, location in the panhandle of FL...aka southern Alabama. Before then I lived in the midwest. No single location is representative of the national marketplace...nor did I imply it was. My point was that I've been part of, or overhead, many conversations in several locations regarding cellular service, and rarely have I heard someone complaining that they're frustrated by the lack of competition in the wireless phone arena. I welcome other actual stories/viewpoints. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Preparation The iPhone is only one device. There are several different devices spread across many carriers, so the wireless market really isn't that poor. | |
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| said by sonicmerlin:The FCC, specifically Genachowski and Obama, have truly failed the American people.  Yeah, because the Constitution says you have the right to an iPhone. | |
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| Re: Preparation said by SalesGOD:said by sonicmerlin:The FCC, specifically Genachowski and Obama, have truly failed the American people. How about blaming the previous administration who allowed all of these mergers to take place? If you are going to place blame, make sure you know what you are talking about. Didn't you know? These days every single problem, discomfort, disappointment or anything else that doesn't make absolutely everybody happy 100% of the time is Obama's fault. That relieves the overburdened American public the trouble to have to actually think, or get off the couch and do something themselves. | |
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038xx | Re: Preparation Heehee. Yeah, I know. His entire administration has ties deep into the energy sector making him a public risk due to lax coal & oil operations.
Seen a "Drill, Drill, Drill" bumper sticker lately? All the pickup trucks in my town suddenly have shiny clean rectangles next to their ObamaCare stickers. The prez controls drug companies too, ya know.
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| Like others, I am stunned that after so many PR black eyes, Apple has still chosen to maintain their exclusive agreement with AT&T.
How many times does AT&T have to bring shame to the iPhone platform before Apple wakes up and lets Verizon in on the deal?
If I was an Apple shareholder, I'd be screaming at how much money Apple is leaving on the table by exclusing the huge potential market of Verizon subscribers. | |
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1 edit | Re: Preparation said by rebus9:[everything spot-on] Though I'd rather see every other carrier have iPhone and VZ be left out in the cold.
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kudos:1 | July 2nd it is for me. Ordered mine midnight june 15, got the availability date of 2nd, ships between that and 7th.
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3 edits | 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems Holy crap! No wonder the system took a dump. That is 4X what a supposedly popular handset would do over an entire release weekend and nearly 10X what they would do in a single day.
Activation on release day will be a total nightmare. | |
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| | | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems Considering they have an established iPhone base of what, about 80 million phones out there, maybe 40-50 million active in US, that's not surprising.
The first iPhone sold 250K the first weekend - and that was essentially an extension of the established iPod user base. | |
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join:2009-11-23 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems I read that AT&T has 14 million or so iPhone subscribers in the US. | |
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join:2009-11-23 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems I think I saw that in a business news item about how many people would flee AT&T if the iPhone because available elsewhere and they mentioned the 14M sub number. | |
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| Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems They got about a week to do it. Handling activations probably isn't a problem when you spread 150-200K over 3 days but you will have 600K users all trying to do it on a single day, PLUS whatever they sell in store.
I think AT&T and Apple are both very surprised by their sales success yesterday. They knew it would be great but I don't think they thought it would be 600K insane.
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kudos:4 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems said by Z80A:They got about a week to do it. Handling activations probably isn't a problem when you spread 150-200K over 3 days but you will have 600K users all trying to do it on a single day, I suspect Apple will stagger their delivery schedule such that the delivery of the iPhone 4 will be spread out over a week and NOT all arrive in user hands on the same day.
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join:2009-11-23 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems Actually they do vary the shipments but Fedex has hold orders to not deliver the items on release day. Everyone will get them on the same day and it will be a mess. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems said by Z80A:Actually they do vary the shipments but Fedex has hold orders to not deliver the items on release day. Everyone will get them on the same day and it will be a mess. Looks like Apple is staggering anyway by delaying ship dates to after launch day:
»gizmodo.com/5565259/
The iPhone 4 arrival was delayed to July 2 for many pre-orders already. Now there's a new date: July 14.
Now we are receiving reports on Apple Store iPhone 4 June 24 pick-up orders being cancelled via email.
Many users who ordered yesterday have found they are not going to receive their phones on the promised day. Others have had their orders completely cancelled and now they have to order again, with the July 14 date instead of the initial June 24 or July 2.
The questions now: Would the order cancellations continue? How would they fix the mishaps? Are there going to be any more delays?
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1 edit | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems That is because they don't have the production capacity to deliver that many phones by release day. It isn't because of activations. That happens a lot with their popular products. They sell as many as they think they can deliver and then based on production capacity start pushing out the dates to reflect realistic delivery capability.
All of those who ordered for the 24th should receive their phones exactly on the 24th.
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| I wonder how many of those users are new customers, and how many are upgrades. If we're talking about a ton of upgraders, data usage (as opposed to strain on the activation system) shouldn't be too ridiculous versus what it is now. However if a significant number of folks are getting their first iPhone with this then you're looking at another wave of data-hungry devices on AT&T's rather rickety network. Say what you like about AT&T's capacity increases (and yes, I know that they *are* increasing capacity) but the company isn't keeping up with demand.
My take on the numbers: the initial wave of preorders for the iPhone in the US will top one million by launch date. Of these, 500,000 will hit the streets at about the same time, with another 500,000 coming in early July. Might be another 500,000 a few weeks after that (I'm guessing that Apple will sell out of their second preorder batch). Of those, half will be new customers and half will be upgrades, though I might be a bit high on the new customers percentage.
The result? Significant added load across AT&T's network and a broken activation system because AT&T isn't going to hire anyone from Facebook, Digg or Twitter to deal with scaling their system to meet the load. | |
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Android outsold iPhone last quarter (before EVO/Incredible) and is picking up even more steam. I'd guess 90% of iPhone 4 sales will be existing iPhone owners.
Android will grow with power users and prosumers who don't like ATT policies or Apple control. iPhone will continue to do well for those who want a tightened consumer device and not have to manage a computer. Android is essentially a computer that requires more tinkering - not for everyone. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems You underestimate the allure of the Apple brand name. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems If iPhone were to startup on other carriers, I'd expect another large wave of new iPhone users. Otherwise, I'd still guess 90% of iPhone 4 buyers will be upgrades. ATT is restricting Apple at this point. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems Trust me, I know...though I jailbroke my first generation iPhone... | |
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kudos:3 | said by joako:No, remember they have an ass-backwards system. You are forced to install iTunes on your computer and "activate" the iPhone apart from activating the AT&T service. That was SOOOOO iPhone 1st Gen.. My last iPhone I purchased was on, activated, and read to go right out of the store. You don't need to activate the pone on iTunes anymore.
Besides, who says that every phone, simply because it's a GSM phone, has to all work the same way. Quite honestly glad the iPhone works different than other phones.. why? ..because for me its always simply worked. | |
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| | | said by Z80A:Holy crap! No wonder the system took a dump. That is 4X what a supposedly popular handset would do over an entire release weekend and nearly 10X what they would do in a single day. Activation on release day will be a total nightmare. Assume 700,000 orders (the high-end of over 600k), and further assume that they were all entered in a 2 hour span (worst-case scenario for this exercise). That's less than 100 TPS - an amount that any half-assed team familiar with retail or brokerage/banking transaction processing could design/develop/deploy in their sleep without breaking a sweat.
Systems I designed 25 years ago were doing nearly that amount of volume on highly complex transactions - I did that volume over a 7 hour period - so my average throughput was a little under 30 TPS, but machines and networks were MUCH slower then too.
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| | | said by Z80A:Holy crap! No wonder the system took a dump. That is 4X what a supposedly popular handset would do over an entire release weekend and nearly 10X what they would do in a single day. Activation on release day will be a total nightmare. This is just to reaffirm that Steve Jobs is a marketing genius. I would love to buy an iPhone, but the AT&T exclusivity keeps me from doing it.
In other news, can the OS4 be used on the iPad thus bringing multitasking to the device? Steve Jobs didn't say a word about that during his presentation of the iPhone4. | |
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2 edits | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems Yeah he did. iOS 4 is coming to the iPad which is why they changed the name from iPhone OS to iOS. If memory serves it is supposed to be this Fall for iPad. Come to think of it I wonder if that means a possible iPad refresh already. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: 600,000 on a presale day even with all the problems said by Z80A:Yeah he did. iOS 4 is coming to the iPad which is why they changed the name from iPhone OS to iOS. If memory serves it is supposed to be this Fall for iPad. Come to think of it I wonder if that means a possible iPad refresh already. »www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live···4-event/
11:02AM "And, we're bringing OS 4 to the iPad this Fall." »www.redmondpie.com/download-ipad···9140583/
Cutting the long story short, you’ll get one major OS (iPhone 4.x) update on your device for free, but for all the future OS updates like iPhone 5.0, you’ll have to pay just like you do for iPod touch.
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00000 | Why would anyone expect more from AT&T? This is how they are Why would anyone expect more from AT&T? This is their style. Half ass it just enough to get by, then make up any excuse and continue raking in the money. In the meantime, ignore infrastructure upgrades until the network is nearly unusable. | |
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Why would anyone expect more from AT&T? This is how they are Yes, one could say AT&T "phones it in" on a regular basis. | |
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| Apple Store App While I didn't pull the trigger, the Apple Store App allowed me to add a 4 to the cart AND checked my account against AT&T's server AND gave me the $199 price (which really, REALLY surprised me). Maybe it would have told me after that point I couldn't get it...who knows...
Hmmmm....ooooh the temptation....
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kudos:4 | Re: Is their anything that AT&T does right? said by MovieLover76:Seriously, Ipad security breach, now iphone security breach, web site goes down, seriously? website? that is something that if properly developed should be able to handle the load, it's just embarrassing. Yet the buyers continue to flock in by the millions. Tells you something about the average consumer.
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| said by MovieLover76:Seriously, Ipad security breach, now iphone security breach, web site goes down, seriously? website? that is something that if properly developed should be able to handle the load, it's just embarrassing. You would be surprised how many companies don't properly stress/load test their systems. From my point of view it is great as we provide consultants to do just that.
The problem lies in the fact they had way more orders than expected. They could have tested it to 500,000 which would have been an impressive number and still got hit.
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Lombard, IL | Got my confirmation a few minutes ago... Finally got the confirmation from my in-store manual pre-order yesterday morning.
"Thank you for ordering iPhone 4 from AT&T. Your device has been reserved. Today was the busiest sales day in our history. Because of the incredible volume of orders we received, there is a slight chance that some customers may receive their devices between June 25 and June 28. Rest assured, we are doing all we can to ship devices to customers for delivery on the 24th. You do not need to take any action at this point.
As soon as your device ships, we will send an email confirmation including a tracking number for your convenience. In the meantime, you can check the status of your order on our website at any time by clicking here or by calling our automated system at 1-877-782-8870. "
I was second in line at the store, so I better get it on the 24th... geez. I am able to track the progress. Right now it says "processing."
Finally, I have AT&T u-verse and AT&T/Yahoo flagged the confirmation email as spam. Talk about irony....
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| Re: Huh? said by DJ_Kismuth:How could selling over half a million phones and generating millions upon millions in revenue on a product that doesn't really exist yet, be considered a disaster? I'd say it was a massive success..... It was a disaster in a sense that it helps reinforce that AT&T still can't handle the load the iPhone creates. How may version launches has AT&T dropped the ball on? Every one. It continues to makes AT&T, and by proxy Apple. While their may not be such thing as bad publicity, I'm sure Apple would have much preferred a smooth pre-order launch where everyone who wanted to pre-order could quickly and easily do so.
The whole launch reminds me of online Black Friday sales in the late 90's during the bubble. It was kind of understood then when major ecommerce transactions where still a new(er) thing. As someone else posted above, there is absolutely no excuse for not being able to have a high performance transaction processing system in place, especially for the 4th go around. | |
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| | Verizon to the rescue Come on apple.....verizon would never tarnish your good name. Now's the time to make your phones available to VZ customers
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kudos:1 | Why call it a "total disaster?" This is good news, not bad news. Yet leave it to the "media" to spin it against Apple any way they can. Some things never go away. Are we now going to hear how "beleaguered" Apple is?
This headline should have said "Massive Demand for Apple's iPhone 4 Overwhelms Apple, AT&T Order Systems."
"Smooth ordering?" That's the #1 news of the day? It is not. The news is the demand being 10 times more than expected.
You're not fooling anybody trying to make this into some sort of "Apple screws up again." Anybody with any sense will know the demand for this phone is huge and that is the real story. | |
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| Crap! L132: We are unable to process your transaction at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience. You may contact our Customer Care department at 1-800-331-0500 or dial 611 from your wireless phone. All I want to do is pay my bill! I will keep my 3g/16 till the 4GS arrives. If I can't stay grandfathered at "unlimited" data with a device upgrade, I will simply wear out this 3g and then look for the best smart-phone deal out there. VZ still has an unlimited data plan right? This data "cap" crap will cause me to dump AT&T/iPhone, as much as I love this phone.
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