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Wednesday.. If it took them this long to find that out than they have some major security breaches. | |
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2006-Aug-30 9:40 am
Re: Wednesday..said by Nymostwanted: If it took them this long to find that out than they have some major security breaches. Did you miss the part in the article where they detected the problem and shut down the system WITHIN HOURS. It just didn't make the NEWS for a few days. | |
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Re: Wednesday..Now I feel like a total idiot.. lol Thanks for the info. | |
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2006-Aug-30 11:47 am
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hAHAHA. Why doesn't this surprise me. I mean, goodness, the NSA had to have a way to get in too, right??? | |
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Derch
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2006-Aug-30 9:13 am
Let's play the number game!`"fewer than 19,000 customers"
Which means in normal non-corporate terms, millions. AT&T is one of the largest telco's in the country... one would think they would have an endless supply of security barriers. | |
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2006-Aug-30 9:18 am
Re: Let's play the number game!`said by Derch:"fewer than 19,000 customers" Which means in normal non-corporate terms, millions. Wrong! Only those who used the webstore are affected. Definitely not millions. | |
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2006-Aug-30 11:17 am
Re: Let's play the number game!`One would tend to think, the NSA/ATT would have tighter security measures in place, in addition to a superb perimeter defense. Which would look as if its a virtual impenetrable fortress And the Gov. wants backdoors built into all modems and routers? Not hard to imagine the resulting mayhem and chaos, that nightmare will "open up". Which would = technology, take three steps backwards. Hackers take three steps forward. It appears the hackers have the edge, because they can hack whatever best shot is thrown at them. I'm not a hacker fan or supporter by posting this: Its rather obvious the smartest people are not in or running for office, nor are they employed at large corporations. | |
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Re: Let's play the number game!` Ummm...It's CRACKERS, not hackers. There's a distinction in meanings between the words and the glib use of the word hacker all the time shows how brainwashed even the computer "elite" is by the media and government.
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| | | | fiberguy2My views are my own. Premium Member join:2005-05-20 |
Re: Let's play the number game!`said by Fatal Vector:Ummm...It's CRACKERS, not hackers. There's a distinction in meanings between the words and the glib use of the word hacker all the time shows how brainwashed even the computer "elite" is by the media and government. That's an old debate but who cares what they are "called".. they broke into the system.. some say they "hacked" into the network and some say cracked. In the end, circa 19k users credit card information is gone and probably on the black market in Russia already with all the rest of the data from the U.S. that gets "stolen"... Companies like AT&T should know better. Seems these stories pop up about once a week any more. Where is congress to crack down on some real issues that threaten our people, the ones they are supposed to represent, on a daily basis? Oh, I know.. they are more worried about who can marry who, if the flag can be burned, and all the other 'social' feel good issues that don't matter one bit. I wonder if these people know what it's like to have to spend several yeras of your financial life getting it back in order after your personal info is stolen. The loss of use of credit or good credit. Having to pay cash for everything. Having to fend off abusive debt collectors for bills that aren't even yours. (Let's not being into account how debt collectors also like to screw with your financial data too - another conversation sometime) and if these people know what it's like to have to pay twice for your home than others, all becuase they didn't apply laws where they are most needed; to protect people's stability - which effects the economy in the end. Yea... two guys can't marry, I feel so much better, I mean, we're a better nation because of it. But millions of people's finacial stability are destroyed all the time. I LOVE the government. Let's review.. AT&T AOL SPRINT CITI Federal Government Stat of Minnesota (BIG OFFENDER) US Bank.. the list goes on... all companies that have had personal inforamtion leaked or stolen. I would be less shocked if it was ma and pop companies loosing information. My companies seem to be able to hold data secure, why can't AT&T? | |
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You're right Fatal, sorry about the loose glib use of improper terminology. | |
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I always thought the Drums were the heartbeat of a band, everyone in the band relies on them to keep rythym, timing etc.. | |
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said by Derch:"fewer than 19,000 customers" Which is also the same as "more than 18,000 customers". It is all in how you present it. | |
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2006-Aug-30 10:19 am
Re: Let's play the number game!`If it was 19,001 I would be concerned. | |
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Re: Let's play the number game!`Fewer than 19,000 = 18,999 | |
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Sly
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2006-Aug-30 11:19 am
Re: Let's play the number game!`Fewer than 19000 = "oh it's not that big of a problem!" /pr guys idiotic attempt at brushing this one under the rug | |
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| owlhooter Premium Member join:2002-01-19 Wylie, TX |
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Well if you look up the IP of sbcdslstore.com you will see that it's owned by Moduslink OrgName: ModusLink Corporation OrgID: MODUS-2 Address: Worldwide Corporate Headquarters
So, to say it was completely in AT&T's hands might be a bit far off. It was more of a supplier leak than a telco giant leak. Still not the best thing to happen for a companies PR though. | |
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| | fiberguy2My views are my own. Premium Member join:2005-05-20 |
Re: Let's play the number game!`said by owlhooter:Well if you look up the IP of sbcdslstore.com you will see that it's owned by Moduslink OrgName: ModusLink Corporation OrgID: MODUS-2 Address: Worldwide Corporate Headquarters So, to say it was completely in AT&T's hands might be a bit far off. It was more of a supplier leak than a telco giant leak. Still not the best thing to happen for a companies PR though. Doesn't matter. AT&T has made the relationship between that other company, they need to make sure that the 3rd party is handling the data correctly. To the customer, they see AT&T, not ModusLink Corp. I, as an AT&T customer, could give a ratt's as*s less who the 3rd aprty is.. MY vendor is AT&T. When comcast hired a contractor to handle some isntallation work and the guy beat a woman, everyone went after Comcast, as they should. Same thing here. I don't care who the contractor is, the buck stops with the company you pay/hire.. in this case, people hired AT&T to handle their communications needs and that's where the buck stops. | |
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Re: Let's play the number game!`I don't disagree with you. Obviously AT&T is taking the blame for it and trying to make good with the people that were affected. I was just pointing out that it wasn't like the DSL customer database was cracked, it's just the third party vendors site that was cracked. Still it is AT&T's customers that are affected and I wouldn't think of anyone else for the customer to blame than AT&T. Just wanted people to realize the scope of people affected isn't as large as it would have been had an actual AT&T database been cracked. | |
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2006-Aug-30 3:35 pm
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With a little bit of research (obtaining IP from sbcdslstore.com and looking it up in ARIN) you can see that the IP belongs to OrgName: ModusLink Corporation OrgID: MODUS-2 Address: Worldwide Corporate Headquarters Address: 1100 Winter Street Address: Suite 4600 City: Waltham StateProv: MA PostalCode: 02451 Country: US
Which is a separate company that provides the equipment to AT&T. So in essence, it wasn't an AT&T breach, it was a supplier breach. | |
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Curiously......this story was posted by a known Comcast employee.
We had a little discussion in the ATT-Midwest forum about this yesterday. Nobody seemed to be overly concerned especially since they (ATT) detected the intrusion, shut down the affected server(s) immediately, are notifying all affected customers and are paying for credit monitoring to minimize the damage.
Show me another instance where a company actually was proactive about such a system intrusion? Some banks don't even respond that well.
I know it's almost impossible for many here to utter even one good word about any incumbent, but this time AT&T did the right thing. | |
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| MaxoYour tax dollars at work. Premium Member join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL |
Maxo
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2006-Aug-30 11:49 am
Re: Curiously...Look Doc, if I don't like Ma Bell/telcos I'll complain, regardless of what does or doesn't happen. End of story. | |
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SQiRL
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2006-Aug-30 12:34 pm
Re: Curiously...Do you still do FTS for AT&T? or did you move on already>? Just curious. | |
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2006-Aug-30 12:37 pm
Re: Curiously...said by SQiRL:Do you still do FTS for AT&T? or did you move on already>? Just curious. I moved to Tallahassee a little over a year ago. I've been unemployed since, but am looking at doing tech support for the state starting next week. Apparently nobody wants to hire a programmer-wannabe with no experience. | |
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2006-Aug-30 12:40 pm
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said by SQiRL:Do you still do FTS for AT&T? or did you move on already>? Just curious. Actually I jumped SBCs shipped right before they bought AT&T Wireless. Soon after SBC purchased ATT telco I moved to Tallahassee. | |
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Re: NSA?Looks that they didn't get any help from the NSA on super secret ways to secure their networks. | |
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Re: NSA?This is because they agreed to that FCC backdoor on all ISP networks. | |
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said by RadioDoc:...this story was posted by a known Comcast employee. I'm confused by this comment. Are you being implicative, and if so, of what? The fact that Comcast still exclusively -- and only -- peers with AT&T? Or the fact that AT&T Broadband is now part-of Comcast? *confused look* | |
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Re: Curiously..."The fact that Comcast still exclusively -- and only -- peers with AT&T? Or the fact that AT&T Broadband is now part-of Comcast?"
Isn't thaqt nice? When you're getting ripped off by comcast it's doublessly because they have to pay Ma Bell a high price, just like the so called "alternative" phone companies.
But then, who cares as long as you get your comcastic 6 megs, right?
Seems the Ma Bell hydra has many tenticles. | |
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| fiberguy2My views are my own. Premium Member join:2005-05-20 |
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So? I post stories on cocmast too.. what's the point?
If a at&t fanboy sent the story, would it have made the issue any different?
The reason it was posted, as being a former identity theft victom because of mis-handled information, I sent the story. Karl thought it was worth releasing and did.
Many of these people shut these down right away.. that's not disputed.. it's what they do after the fact to ensure it doesn't happen again.
If Comcast did it, I would be just as pissed and have posted the article if I fond it.
But, do you have any valid reason for ensuring everyone knows WHO posted the story? and does it matter? Not everything is political. | |
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said by RadioDoc:...this story was posted by a known Comcast employee. If you don't have that "news source" on ignore, you don't know what you're missing. | |
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said by RadioDoc:...this story was posted by a known Comcast employee. Awww, so you think he's bashing another company huh? Well, as already pointed out, Comcast hasn't had any intrusions into their network, so please make a point, or explain it to me so I can clearly understand. I also understand the person in question was a victim of identity theft at one time. If a group of people have their info stolen from a DSL orders site, then it's a good idea to inform a community where there are internet users, just incase AT&T "misses" another important piece of info. If they (AT&T) are paying for identity protection and monitoring services, it is costing them $$$ x 19,000+. And what if someone DOES have their info stolen? Then it's even more trouble for the poor person who thought they were getting DSL, not a new credit card bill. I guess what I'm trying to say is WHO CARES who posted it. It is TRUTH, it hurts some, others find comfort in it. I'd rather know a company had a problem, and where. Knowing this only affected web orders comforts ME because I would never order DSL on a website. | |
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| MaxoYour tax dollars at work. Premium Member join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL |
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It's true that it being posted by a Comcast employee does not meen this is definitely a case of bias. It's also not the crutch of his argument, which is that people are often quick to complain about companies even in a situation (such as this) where the company did it's best to at handling a bad situation. | |
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owenhome
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2006-Aug-30 2:11 pm
AT&TYour world.... ......delivered to the mafia. | |
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Yes. I'm sure your world more than any other would be of facinating interest to the media and government. Doubtlessly, they watch all you do, 5287 Smith W.
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to owenhome
Actually with this data breach, it's more like:
Your world... ...delivered to identity thieves. | |
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Anon
2006-Aug-30 2:38 pm
ATT is Lame! Now they got your Name,Address and SS#. Next time I order anything(Ie phone or broadband) I'll use a FAKE name,social security and drivers license numbers. | |
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