 | | ATT Att must think that 3g technology isnt mature yet either because they havent deployed it in most of Tn.
ATT spends their money on ads with luke wilson telling everybody they cover 97 percent of americans.
Might be true but it isnt 3g coverage. Thats what the common person doesnt understand.
Verizon has most of the US covered in 3g and while ATT 3g might be faster 3g what does that matter if its not in your area?
ATT really needs to step up to the plate and get 3g coverage deployed over their footprint and stop running off at the mouth until they can at least compete in 3g with verizon. | |
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| Re: ATT said by SyNiSt3r:Att must think that 3g technology isnt mature yet either because they havent deployed it in most of Tn. ATT spends their money on ads with luke wilson telling everybody they cover 97 percent of americans. Might be true but it isnt 3g coverage. Thats what the common person doesnt understand. Verizon has most of the US covered in 3g and while ATT 3g might be faster 3g what does that matter if its not in your area? ATT really needs to step up to the plate and get 3g coverage deployed over their footprint and stop running off at the mouth until they can at least compete in 3g with verizon. Their commercial isn't true. They cover 97% of Americans with EDGE speed.
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| Re: ATT In 3 years we'll be seeing VZW commercials bashing ATT's tiny LTE footprint while VZW covers most of the country. And ATT will follow up with an even fatter Luke Wilson trying to convince people that their outdated 3G network finally covers 97% of the country and its ok that its not all LTE becuase you can talk and serf the web at the same time. | |
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| I'm an AT&T user and while I probably wouldn't be happy if I left my little 3G saturated tri-state area as an AT&T customer by most technical definitions EDGE is technically considered 3G as it is part of ITU's 3G definition, many people consider it 2.5G since it's rather slow though.
In any case AT&T's commercial that say they cover 97% are accurate because they don't say 3G they just say you can surf,text and talk.
Personally I think AT&T should skip 3G for areas it's not deployed to and deploy LTE, it doesn't make a lot of sense to do new 3G deployments at this point. They should strengthen the 3G they have to keep current customers happy until they deploy LTE and do that on a grander scale.
AT&T is a good carrier for voice, you won't get dead spots like T-Mobile, Sprint's coverage isn't tons better, but they are buoyed by roaming on Verizon's network, which makes them a good carrier for voice.
Verizon is the best for 3G and voice if your concerned about being able to truly talk and surf everywhere, but the reality is that most people don't leave their state that often and in places like NJ and major metropolitan areas people are flocking to AT&T for their phones, mostly the iPhone, 5 years ago everyone I knew was a verizon customer, literally. These days atleast 50% of my friends have either an iPhone on AT&T and a few are still using a first gen Iphone on T-mobile. Verizon is late in the game on cool phones | |
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| | | | | Re: ATT The smart thing to do is to deploy increased bandwidth to the towers and wait for "LTE" specs to be ironed out and a clear direction to be set..
By deploying the needed infrastructure now and putting up cheap well understood 3G radios, it's a simple matter to replace them with faster components at a later date..
Having a fast wireless transport is useless unless you have the bandwidth at the tower to move it off..
So, if AT&T is smart (sometimes they are sometimes theyre not) they'll prep the infrastructure quietly, let Verizon take the early press, watch their infrastructure buckle under early adopter loads and extremely rapidly deploy a second gen LTE solution for lower cost.
This scenario is, however, extremely unlikely, as management will be involved in the decision.. and Telco management is only slightly less dysfunctional than Washington DC. | |
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| Yeah, that's about right . . . 97% of Americans have EDGE and GPRS coverage.
No AT&T 3G towers in most of Middle TN. none in Marshall County, TN
i thought about upgrading my AT&T phone to a smartphone..why bother, using it for internet would be useless and slow.
(yet AT&T wants $60 to tether it to my pc)
I get so sick of those commercials.
VERIZON RULES! and we just got a new Sprint 3G tower here.
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said by SyNiSt3r:Att must think that 3g technology isnt mature yet either because they havent deployed it in most of Tn. ATT spends their money on ads with luke wilson telling everybody they cover 97 percent of americans. Might be true but it isnt 3g coverage. Thats what the common person doesnt understand. Verizon has most of the US covered in 3g and while ATT 3g might be faster 3g what does that matter if its not in your area? ATT really needs to step up to the plate and get 3g coverage deployed over their footprint and stop running off at the mouth until they can at least compete in 3g with verizon. | |
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I am an AT&T guy right now too | |
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| Re: Maybe so but in 2-3 years when AT&T is struggling said by Van:to get LTE off the ground, Verizon will be light years ahead of them with the kinks worked out I am an AT&T guy right now too I agree. They need to stop taking shots at other companies and get the imrpovements going. Pointing and laughing at others while doing nothing is not a good strategy. I also am an AT&T user right now.
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| said by Van:to get LTE off the ground, Verizon will be light years ahead of them with the kinks worked out I am an AT&T guy right now too Not necessarily. ATT network is already compliant with LTE, it will be a very easy move. LTE is the planned path for GSM. However LTE is a completely new network for Verizon. UMTS also has close to the same capacity as LTE.
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| Re: Maybe so but in 2-3 years when AT&T is struggling said by DaveDude:said by Van:to get LTE off the ground, Verizon will be light years ahead of them with the kinks worked out I am an AT&T guy right now too Not necessarily. ATT network is already compliant with LTE, it will be a very easy move. LTE is the planned path for GSM. However LTE is a completely new network for Verizon. UMTS also has close to the same capacity as LTE. Yes, it's a planned path, but that doesn't mean they can convert from UMTS to LTE overnight.
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Valencia, CA | Yup - they'll have a decent network deployed where AT&T will just be starting.
The other part, that isn't mentioned, is that LTE is being built like WiMAX. Datacards first. This will allow VZW to offload the heavy users onto LTE, and keep the CDMA 1x/EVDO network for handsets.
AT&T is struggling in many areas with spectrum and capacity issues on handsets as it is... of course its mostly handsets (iPhone) | |
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| Re: No Handsets? no. You think (W)CDMA batteries draw a lot of power? OFDMA puts that to shame. There's a reason why Verizon will only be letting data cards onto their network for the foreseeable future. They're hoping that battery tech will improve by next year, but of course that's just a hope.
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| | Bathed in the Soft Glow It's not like Verizon will toss a giant knife switch some place and the country will be bathed in the soft glow of LTE. It'll be a long, mostly slow and partially painful roll-out because handset engineering *will* be a challenge. That challenge will be greater on Verizon as opposed to existing GSM networks.
AT&T can afford to be slow on the LTE rollout because LTE is backward compatible with GSM and HSPA. That means all the wonderfully great handsets will work out of the box with AT&T without needing to have hardware to work on Verizon's legacy network where LTE isn't yet available. | |
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| Re: Bathed in the Soft Glow Actually, LTE is NOT backward-compatible with anything. It has more in common withWiMAX than with GSM/CDMA/WCDMA. Granted, the logical upgrade path is there from GSM to LTE, but that's only because most of the world is GSM and most of the world is going to LTE. | |
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| cha ching Maybe luke wilson can sellout, err i mean try to talk down the expansion.. I mean why would you want true fast internet when you have super fast 5x the speed of normal dialup? Sure its compressed pictures and text, but its 5 times faster!!!! Thats like, brewing time for a pot of coffee instead of cooking a roast while loading up your webpages!!!
God bless ATT and their always available DIALUP SERVICE!!! Why would we even need anything faster?!? DIAL UP is available everywhere!!!! Praise the ANALOG KING THAT IS ATT!!!!!!
Oh and OMG, SATELLITE!!!! Theres extra jeebus in that option!! Why do people even leave their homes anymore?!?!?! | |
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We tried it on a couple of iPhones here in the office. 4000+ms latency times aren't cool. | |
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| | | Re: Maybe I'll admit 3G has latency, but I have no idea how you come come up with 4000+ms latency, the very worst I've gotten is 400ms it's usually between 250-350, which is about par for 3G Verizon or AT&T | |
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| Re: Maybe said by MovieLover76:I'll admit 3G has latency, but I have no idea how you come come up with 4000+ms latency, the very worst I've gotten is 400ms it's usually between 250-350, which is about par for 3G Verizon or AT&T Using the speedtest.net app on the iphone there are times the latency easily gets up to 3000ms and above. It is a blip and not constant but happens. I just did a test and the ping is 1535 ms.
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said by ptrowski:Off and on when testing through the iPhone app. ouch. No wonder there's so much desire for LTE with ATT folks.
On well-engineered networks, latencies on HSDPA should be sub 300ms and HSPA+ should be sub 150ms. See attached.
Chances are, even if ATT "upgraded" to LTE, you wouldn't see much improvement since they'd still have a poorly engineered network anyways.
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| I've seen AT&T HSPA get down around 90ms actually, but I've never been impressed with their coverage nor their willingness to upgrade anything. They also disallow inbound traffic to your mobile broadband card, which makes a lot of things harder to do on the web :/ | |
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| | lte wow theres alot of Vzw fan boys on this forum. the truth is Vzw is light years away from completely turning their towers into LTE compatible sites... At&t has a shorter leap into LTE in regards to upgrading towers because the towers just need a simple upgrade. Vzw has to completely revamp their sites to go to GSM technology. Remember when Cingular acquired At&t wireless and the troubles that were had? Same thing is gonna happen with Verizon. Dropped calls, bad reception, the whole nine yards. Not to mention all you VZW fanboys with blackberrys cant use them on the new network....but i can use my iphone on my 4g Network when it comes. Can you? :PPP | |
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| Re: lte You forgot that Verizon will still have an EvDO/CDMA network for voice, and will continue to use that network for voice for awhile yet. So the only thing that will hapen is improvement. SLow improvement? Maybe, but you aren't going to get a crappy network just because they're upgrading via overlay. | |
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| | | Not true because current and past iPhones don't have a 4G chipset in them... Most 3G is in the 1900 mhz or 850 mhz frequencies. 4G will operate in the 700 mhz frequency. So basically... you will need to buy a new iPhone when a 4G model comes out...
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Although I can't stand Verizon, what you said isn't true.
Verizon is not going GSM..... GSM is OLD TECHNOLOGY. They are going LTE. AT&T is also (eventually albeit very slowly) going to move away from GSM/UMTS and go LTE.
Why do people keep regurgitating this misinformation all over the web.
LTE is not GSM or vice versa even though the GSMA includes GSM in the international upgrade/evolution of technologies. | |
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| Go figure. This is *precisely* what I was saying about LTE.
For Verizon, sure it makes sense to switch to LTE. EVDO is at the end of its upgrade path for all practical purposes. For Verizon Wireless to remain competitive on data, they MUST upgrade to LTE.
For ATT and just about every other 3GPP carrier on the planet, they have years worth of UMTS upgrades they can make before LTE is worthwhile.
UMTS -> HSDPA 1.8 -> HSDPA 3.6 -> HSDPA 7.2 (where ATT and TMO are at now) -> HSPA+ 21 (what TMO is upgrading to now) -> HSPA+ 28 -> HSPA+ 42 -> HSPA+ 56 ->?
Verizon is hoping for 12mbps on LTE at the end of the year. Rogers is already getting 14mbps out of its HSPA+ network today. Why would ATT abandon UMTS and its relatively cheap, highly competitive upgrades just so that they can have an LTE network that will only be used by data cards for the foreseeable future? They're not gonna have smartphones on that LTE network for years anyways.
There's a reason why Euro and Asian telcos are still upgrading their UMTS networks even though they've made statements throwing their support behind LTE. LTE isn't mature yet - costs are high, results are subpar.
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| Verizon looks ahead. Verizon = FTTH. (stockholders and analysts said WTF? now they are reaping the benefits.)
AT&T = copper transmission medium. pair bonding coming in the future? (can't/won't compete with Cable Co. speeds)
Verizon Wireless = more 3G coverage than the other guys.
AT&T = we've got the iPhone.
who's looking ahead? who's planning for future technology? who's always played catchup because they have always been a conservative company?
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Charlotte, NC | First with new toy Sometimees being first on the block leaves you with obsolete equipment. Just like when you buy a computer it is obsolete in months when a newer faster cheaper model comes out. With Verizon selling off so much of their area they are going to have to spend more in out of their area circuits. If your area does not have Fios now there will be very little expansion in the future. AT&T could pop up in a year with a very robust network before they deploy LTE. A lot can change in 1 or 2 years.
I do agree AT&T should just work on their network instead of running ads and talking about other companies. Let your customers sell your service because it good not because you ran an ad. | |
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