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(old news - 08:51AM Wednesday Mar 25 2009)
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Last December, the RIAA boldly announced via the Wall Street Journal that they would be ditching mass lawsuits in favor of placing ISPs in the role of content nannies. Under the proposed system, ISPs would send offenders warning letters (something many ISPs have already been doing for years), while quietly adopting a three strikes system for repeat offenders. The RIAA has been hashing this new system out with select ISPs behind closed doors with the supposed help of New York's Attorney General, who recently made headlines for his largely ineffective war on Usenet child porn).

None of the ISPs have publicly admitted to participating in the plan, in part because it's still being hashed out, but also because of the bad press. We've confirmed that Cox is one participant, locking repeat offenders behind a "walled garden" and terminating only the most stubborn of pirates. Back in January CNET confirmed that Comcast and AT&T, both with one foot in the content industry, were also involved in the plan. At a digital music conference in Nashville this week, AT&T's Jim Cicconi stated that AT&T has already begun testing a user warning system with the RIAA:
Cicconi told attendees of the Leadership Music Digital Summit that the notices are part of a "trial." AT&T wants to test customer reaction, he said. Whether AT&T included any warnings that repeat offenders would see their service suspended or terminated is still unclear. Music industry sources said AT&T told managers at the top labels the trial letter would include strong language about the consequences of illegal conduct, but would stop short of mentioning service interruptions.
AT&T has told me they aren't fans of the idea of automatically disconnecting repeat offenders, and executives have previously commented that they hope that simply notifying a user of legal implications will be enough to reduce P2P piracy. They probably won't be if users know that ignoring them comes with no penalty, meaning that some kind of three strikes (or four or five strikes?) plan is probably inevitable. If you've seen one of these test warnings, please drop us a line.

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hopeflicker
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I wonder...

Is this gonna be one of those "features" that "enhances" ones online "experience"?

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Re: I wonder...

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

Is this gonna be one of those "features" that "enhances" ones online "experience"?
Sounds like it. What if you are wrongly "fingered"?
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Re: I wonder...

said by rawwhide See Profile :

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

Is this gonna be one of those "features" that "enhances" ones online "experience"?
Sounds like it. What if you are wrongly "fingered"?
That is just disgusting, but slightly erotic at the same time. Sign me up.

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Re: I wonder...

I don't need to sign up, I get "fingered" once a year at my annual physical so none of these birds need worry about this old man, they can save their "fingering" for someone who's not as fortunate as I.
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What is p2p?

Didn't cnn use that on their website/web video when Obama took the oath? Or is that something else I am thinking of.

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Re: What is p2p?

said by me1212 See Profile :

Didn't cnn use that when Obama took the oath? Or is that something else I am thinking of.
nice to bring your political opinion in on this.
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Re: What is p2p?

?

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said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by me1212 See Profile :

Didn't cnn use that when Obama took the oath? Or is that something else I am thinking of.
nice to bring your political opinion in on this.
How is news a political opinion? CNN used p2p to broadcast inauguration of Obama. That isn't a political opinion....

»torrentfreak.com/cnn-uses-p2p-pl···-090124/
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Never ending story

It seems like this battle is never ending. Music industry bitching and complaining about money lost and the public complaining about outrageous prices for CDs, DVDs, and Blue Ray.

Eventually everything makes it to the internet. Give it up RIAA this is a losing battle for you. LOL

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X-strikes will never fly here...

...as long as we have civil liberties and organizations to defend them. As soon as any of the corrupt, crooked megacorps try to introduce anything like that I can guarantee you EFF, ACLU et al will sue their asses to hell - and rightfully so.

The illegal RIAA/MPAA is a classic racketeering crime organization that infiltrated all our main branches: they are most powerful in legislative body but they have considerable clout in the executive and judicial branch as well.

How long does it take for he FBI to build a RICO case against Hollywood, HOW LONG WE HAVE TO TOLERATE these parasites?

Subsequently we also have to deal with crooked, corrupt corps like AT&T or Cox or Comcast - anti-competitive behavior, consumer abuses, monopolies must be rooted out without the smallest tolerance. They either bow or get sliced down, period.
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Re: X-strikes will never fly here...

At least you are dealing with big, national, faceless corporations.

Here we have to deal with PenTeleData which I am increasingly convinced is run by some guy in his basement.

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said by kamm See Profile :

...as long as we have civil liberties and organizations to defend them. As soon as any of the corrupt, crooked megacorps try to introduce anything like that I can guarantee you EFF, ACLU et al will sue their asses to hell - and rightfully so.

The illegal RIAA/MPAA is a classic racketeering crime organization that infiltrated all our main branches: they are most powerful in legislative body but they have considerable clout in the executive and judicial branch as well.

How long does it take for he FBI to build a RICO case against Hollywood, HOW LONG WE HAVE TO TOLERATE these parasites?

Subsequently we also have to deal with crooked, corrupt corps like AT&T or Cox or Comcast - anti-competitive behavior, consumer abuses, monopolies must be rooted out without the smallest tolerance. They either bow or get sliced down, period.
You keeping believing everyone is good and going to take action. I see them not being done anything to. As shown from previous years. You point me to a sign that shows what you claim and maybe I will believe your ridiculous claims.
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Your going to be waiting a long time for anyone to do anything as the obama administration appointed a riaa lawyer to the department of justice. they also wasted no time putting out briefs in riaa trials favoring their old bosses.

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The problem is they think the same way. You bow to them or they'll cut you down.

And they have a bigger machete.

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The problem is they think the same way. You bow to them or they'll cut you down.

And they have a bigger machette.

Hmmm. Wonder how long it will be before we start needing RPG's here too to enforce our will against Corporations and Governments?!? It's a sad, sad thing.
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sounds like

Sounds like another way for them to mis-use the data they collect about there users. I wonder how they will be identifying the supposed illegal content and what recourse the user will have to fight the notification. I'd love for these jerks to get caught using DPI and have the pants sued off them. This kind of content monitoring is a slippery slope.

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The RIAA looking for somebody to pay off.
The big difference between the RIAA and organized crime is companies represented by the RIAA give massive amounts of money to Politicians. In otherwords the RIAA is a crooked organization with money.
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Re: sounds like

said by Transmaster See Profile :

The big difference between the RIAA and organized crime is companies represented by the RIAA give massive amounts of money to Politicians. In otherwords the RIAA is a crooked organization with money.
How is that any different to organized crime?
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Re: sounds like

said by Eat Me See Profile :

said by Transmaster See Profile :

The big difference between the RIAA and organized crime is companies represented by the RIAA give massive amounts of money to Politicians. In otherwords the RIAA is a crooked organization with money.
How is that any different to organized crime?
simple They remember to pay the politicians

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Re: sounds like

The Kennedys would disagree.

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The Kennedy's would disagree.
Good point Joe Kennedy made his money during the "Great Experiment". He was then smart enough to use some of that money to purchase Kennedy families legitimacy.
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said by Eat Me See Profile :

said by Transmaster See Profile :

The big difference between the RIAA and organized crime is companies represented by the RIAA give massive amounts of money to Politicians. In otherwords the RIAA is a crooked organization with money.
How is that any different to organized crime?
A Judge nailing them with a RICO charge and the Politicians don't matter. Even a civil RICO charge.

Anti-abortion groups lost a RICO case in the SCOTUS and can be sued under RICO now by abortion clinis for "protesting" near their property. The RIAA is a prime target for a RICO lawsuit. Lawyers have no problem suing other lawyers.

The U.S. AG could easily used RICO against Madoff's Ponzi Scheme and didn't.

But, since the SEC screwed up, investors are suing the SEC over lost money. The SEC investigated Madoff 10 times and found nothing. Considering one investor talked to Madoff, saw NO documents, and thought is was crooked in 2002 and invested nothing, that makes the SEC look incompetent to me.

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What ISPs send these letters?

"something many ISPs have already been doing for years"

What ISPs are sending letters on their own? For years ISPs have been forwarding take down notices when they were notified by the copyright holder but I wasn't aware they were doing this on their own.
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Re: What ISPs send these letters?

»news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10204047-93.html

"Joe Waz, a senior vice president at Comcast, the nation's second largest ISP, told a gathering of music industry executives that the company has issued 2 million notices on behalf of copyright owners, according to multiple people who were in attendance"

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Re: What ISPs send these letters?

The story made it sound like the ISPs are doing this on their own.

From my original post:

"For years ISPs have been forwarding take down notices when they were notified by the copyright holder"

I am aware they are sending out notices on behalf of the copyright holders.

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Andrew Cuomo has failed.

Why not throw his name on this. He is the attorney general. If he is going to try to ruin the internet and give the RIAA regulatory control over all users, his name needs to be very much connected to it. He is gaining support for going after AIG bonuses despite having no legal way to make any of them give any of the money back. When you investigate someone for a non-crime as an attorney general, is that not harassment and abuse of power?

This guy is just a grand stander who wants to be the next governor who has done nothing but earned head lines. His support of the destruction of the internet proves he is an idiot in the back pocket of big business.

vv1r3d

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Personally I think....

I think that Music Companies make plenty of money when their music is played on the radio (that is what the advertising dollars pay for) and when it is played in movies.... Other than that.... we pay Hollywood way too much money.

And we wonder why our Stars go crazy????

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Re: Personally I think....

Radio doesn't pay royalties. RIAA wants it changed:
»blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/0···dus.html

Internet, cable and satellite broadcasters pay royalties to all participants involved. Singers, musicians and the labels get no royalties when AM-FM radio broadcasters air their songs. Composers and songwriters, however, do get AM-FM royalties, which are set under a complicated and negotiated rate.
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Buckeye Cablesystem already doing

Buckeye Cablesystem is already doing this. I got a letter from them saying one of my roommates downloaded a movie via bit and that it was my first and last warning. any more issues they'd terminate my account which nobody knows for how long.

If mom and pop ISPs are doing it already I can see others doing it as well.

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Re: Buckeye Cablesystem already doing

A lot of cable systems are doing it because companies like BayTSP are automatically sending them the notices.
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Re: Buckeye Cablesystem already doing

i'm talking about the one notice rule and getting kicked.
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I think it is easier for mom and pop ISPs to send out letters. They do tend to have the ability to pay more attention. The letter comes (or email probably) from the RIAA, mom and pop check the internet usage and verifies you are a big data user, and sends you a letter. It benefits mom and pop because they tend to have less bandwidth to spare.

Bigger ISPs have a department to handle these things. They have rules, red tape, policies, and corporate crap to follow. Employees that do not care, and really just want to work there day and go home. Your bandwidth usage on a large ISP means little to the employee handling the crap from the RIAA everyday.
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Re: Buckeye Cablesystem already doing

Buckeye is by far a small ISP. you must not know anything about them: www.buckeyecablesystem.com The company has Fiber to Level3, Cogent, Qwest and many others. They also own several media outlets.

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Comcast signed on too

So says this CNet link:
»news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-102040···1_3-0-20
Joe Waz, a senior vice president at Comcast, the nation's second largest ISP, told a gathering of music industry executives that the company has issued 2 million notices on behalf of copyright owners, according to multiple people who were in attendance.

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Re: Comcast signed on too

Cnet revised their posting a little while after you made your post.

Update: 4:05 p.m. PDT To include Comcast's statement that the 2 million notices sent out was not part of any new policy.

The Internet service providers that have agreed to work with the recording industry to battle illegal file sharing are starting to come forward.

Joe Waz, a senior vice president at Comcast, the nation's second largest ISP, told a gathering of music industry executives that the company has issued 2 million notices on behalf of copyright owners, according to multiple people who were in attendance.

Comcast said Wednesday afternoon that the 2 million notices Waz referred to were part of the company's standard practice and not a new policy.

"Comcast, like other major ISPs, forwards notices of alleged infringement that we receive from music, movie, videogame, and other content owners to our customers," Comcast said in a statement. "This is the same process we've had in place for years--nothing has changed. While we have always supported copyright holders in their efforts to reduce piracy under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and continue to do so, we have no plans to test a so-called 'three-strikes-and-you're-out' policy."

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If the RIAA makes three false accusations will they be put away in jail?

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Only thieves are scared..

3 strike policy should end in jail terms...

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Re: Only thieves are scared..

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3 strike policy should end in jail terms...
Sigh... You still trying to pedal that crap?

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I can see it now...

... someone getting chastised when this chokes and pukes, even though they did nothing wrong.

No one remembers the lawsuits against the innocents?
Or the failed attempt at the "pay us so we don't sue you" nastygrams?

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at&t is now in bed with the MPAA/RIAA having a threesome

They will lose lots of customers over this when they fully implement it, good for them! The police state gets worse when the corporations get in the act.
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Ridiculous...

I'm calling them up to give them my piece of mind.

I doubt I'll stay an AT&T subscriber long.

Anyone else who has AT&T, I suggest you do the same.
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losing customers

Is not enough that they are bleeding customers on the land line, now they are focusing in pissing away DSL customers as well....what next...wireless ?
What a bunch of morons - totally out of touch with reality.
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