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kudos:5 |  Link shows map after looking in to slideshow(pic 3)
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kudos:1 | we need competition, so ATT buys up markets yay | |
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: we need competition, so ATT buys up markets Yep, non-competition at it's best! | |
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| | Markie
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Kalispell, MT | Re: we need competition, so ATT buys up markets This is very good competition actually. Verizon is the only truly national carrier in most of these markets. Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota have essentially no AT&T coverage (a few tiny spots where they have sites to meet build requirements, but nowhere they sell service or have usable coverage).
This will bring a second major national carrier, and a GSM choice with some of the hottest handsets around, to Montana. This is good news. | |
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| out of the frying pan.. from one monopoly into another..
we all suppose that some commitments will come for bringing 100% of these 85 markets into the U-Verse deployments too, right? (and if you believe that... take a look at my little bridge I wanna sell ya)
at&t isn't doing that well with even the FTTP deployments they have now, much less crappy fttn/c they push with adsl plus. no 100mbit tiers announced... nothing. they even backed away from $15 dsl until all of bellsouth was wired... oh well for best of intentions.. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: out of the frying pan.. said by tmc8080:from one monopoly into another.. Not really a monopoly if there are two  said by tmc8080:we all suppose that some commitments will come for bringing 100% of these 85 markets into the U-Verse deployments too, right? What do wireless service areas have to do with wireline service areas? | |
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| Re: out of the frying pan.. said by openbox9:said by tmc8080:from one monopoly into another.. Not really a monopoly if there are two said by tmc8080:we all suppose that some commitments will come for bringing 100% of these 85 markets into the U-Verse deployments too, right? What do wireless service areas have to do with wireline service areas? Didn't say anything about wireless.. as for the monopoly part.. that holds, but needs clarification: AT&T and Verizon are telco monopolies in their respective geographic locations which for the most part DO NOT overlap. In a sense the governement allowed many of the RBOC's to merge with the strongest Bell CORE LD companies or are a merging of massive RBOC assets in the case of Verizon (northeast//ny metro) is the *BEST* telco market to be in.. most ROI, most customers per square mile). AT&T got sloppy seconds (Bell South).
As for cable companies.. Comcast is the beohemuth to rule them all.. unfortunately with so few companies.. real competition has taken a beating.. and I see AT&T's gobbling up of more markets further proof that there will be no reversal of that pattern in the short term (outside of very competitive markets to begin with)-- though the fcc/ftc probably should step in and sttach some conditions which AT&T will thumb their nose at.. eventually leading to a breakup or re-regulation of sorts so that something positive will eventually come of all of it.. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: out of the frying pan.. Well, this thread is about wireless service areas, so I assumed....
Anyway, if there's no competition now, why should the FCC/FTC attach conditions with additional mergers/buyouts? The competitive nature of the playing field isn't going to improve by attaching conditions to the buyouts. I'd much rather prefer a behemoth cable company competing against a behemoth telephone company than I would numerous little no-name companies that aren't really competing with each other now. Obviously the best consumer option is for additional competitive entries into the marketplace, but I honestly don't see that happening. | |
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| | | | so the correct term is now duopoly, not monopoly. you get all the fun of monopolies, but with twice the 'competitiors'. | |
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join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: out of the frying pan.. There are more than two wireless service providers | |
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1 edit | Oh God NO!! Please say this isn't so! it's funny I see this on the outside before hearing about it internally  actually that bothers me. there isn't a peep anywhere about this on the inside.
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| | | Re: Oh God NO!! inside would have not have been certain till Wall street knows buddy. They bankroll everything so there's no way the trustees would have been certain till everything was signed and Wall street approved it. We'll know if i still have a job soon | |
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join:2003-04-24
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kudos:1 | What is AT&T buying? I'm not getting this. Alltel uses CDMA/EVDO and AT&T uses GSM/HSPA. So I don't understand what it would mean for AT&T to buy customers and tower electronics. What are they buying exactly? Towers? Frequencies? | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: What is AT&T buying? said by Test99:I'm not getting this. Alltel uses CDMA/EVDO and AT&T uses GSM/HSPA. So I don't understand what it would mean for AT&T to buy customers and tower electronics. What are they buying exactly? Towers? Frequencies? Customer accounts using CDMA cellphones. And then AT&T will commence a cutover process to get these customers on to their existing towers in the area and using GSM phones.
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kudos:1 | Re: What is AT&T buying? Thanks! | |
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| |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Don't forget... Alltel also ran a GSM network for AT&T/T-Mobile roaming from its Western Wireless days. This would be good for AT&T to get off of roaming... bad for T-Mobile. T-Mo does have a lot of AWS spectrum though.
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| | | | No, AT&T is not buying any customer accounts. They are buying the infrastructure (electronics and frequencies) of the affected markets. They are not really buying the actual towers as most towers are not owned by the cell companies. A vast majority of cell companies lease the space on the towers. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by Linklist:said by Test99:I'm not getting this. Alltel uses CDMA/EVDO and AT&T uses GSM/HSPA. So I don't understand what it would mean for AT&T to buy customers and tower electronics. What are they buying exactly? Towers? Frequencies? Customer accounts using CDMA cellphones. And then AT&T will commence a cutover process to get these customers on to their existing towers in the area and using GSM phones. Very similar to what they did in the AT&T/Cingular, Blue network/Orange network merger. | |
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| | | | Re: What is AT&T buying? ATT will. They'll have to collect that extra money from VZW and Sprint for roaming. | |
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| | | | | Re: What is AT&T buying? There will be no roaming revenue from Verizon since they already have service in these areas. That is why they are required to divest. | |
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| | | | | | Re: What is AT&T buying? Not all of those areas they're getting rid of are covered. Many are just very rural and that was the deal to get rid of them. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Ahh Crap.. I have 2 words for this..
Oh S**t. | |
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: one more piece Remember, both deathstars were nearly finished and both were fully operational just before those pesky rebels blew each of them up.
Just food for thought... | |
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join:2003-07-05 | My question is... How many of you that constantly bicker about AT&T Wireless Service have actually had it?
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|  DHRacerTech Monkey
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA | Re: My question is... Me, and it blows goats. I left for VZ after being ATT for almost 10 years. Even the iPhone couldnt keep me with ATT it got so bad...
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kudos:3 | I'm one.. and it's the most dropped calls... everywhere. | |
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join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
kudos:2 | I do, and its better than VZW and T-Mo here in my area. T-Mo is a joke at best, drops calls when you can see the tower and have full service. VZW has very poor reception at my house and in my major area, AT&T has 3G in my area and a lot less dead spots than VZW and T-Mo. Sprint doesn't even exist out here... And this may be why AT&T is buying this, so they can improve coverage because it really does vary from area to area, just like any other provider.
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| | | | Re: My question is... said by Cjaiceman:I do, and its better than VZW and T-Mo here in my area. T-Mo is a joke at best, drops calls when you can see the tower and have full service. VZW has very poor reception at my house and in my major area, AT&T has 3G in my area and a lot less dead spots than VZW and T-Mo. Sprint doesn't even exist out here... And this may be why AT&T is buying this, so they can improve coverage because it really does vary from area to area, just like any other provider. It's funny how opinions run so deep. I have T-Mobile for voice and have had since 2001 when it was Voicestream. I have Sprint for data and just satisfied my 2 year contract a couple of weeks ago. I think both services are adequate and do their job just fine. They could always be better, but so could a lot of other things. People on cell phones who call the call center where I work seem to drop calls no matter what service they have. There's still room for improvement no matter what company you go with. | |
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join:2002-03-04
Coello, IL
kudos:1 | Re: My question is... said by N10Cities:Looks like interference like that would cause the FCC to do something about it...yeah, right!  It's got nothing to do with interference that the FCC would need to know. It's the way GSM works. Google it; thousands of entries.
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| Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by Time:How many of you that constantly bicker about AT&T Wireless Service have actually had it? I do and it sucks compared to Sprint and/or Verizon. My call clarity is better, but I have had more dropped calls (even from AT&T to AT&T) in the first few months of usage than I had in over 4 years of Sprint/Verizon. Thank god the service is significantly cheaper. | |
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| | | said by Time:How many of you that constantly bicker about AT&T Wireless Service have actually had it? I have it and it stinks. My work phone is AT&T.
My personal phone is Verizon and it's a lot better. I can actually drive through my subdivision without dropping a call. Can't say that for AT&T. | |
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| | Ohio Market Overlays The Ohio Market of Alltel has ATT already there. This would do nothing really but have the same problem Alltel & VZW had to start off with.
ATT should NOT be allowed to pick up ANY areas where they already service. | |
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| | divested employee WELL GUESS WHAT ALLTEL BROTHERS AND SISTERS TODAY IS START OF THE END | |
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Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: divested employee Chad is dead. | |
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| Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
1 edit | Re: Mega merger in 2015 After all, AT&T is becoming its former self. "You will be assimilated".
Anyone really surprised with this?
EDIT: This kind of reminds me (when I was a kid) of Unicron eating a planet.. Anyone else remembers this (circa 80s)?
"Where did Alltel go?"
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| | | How much do you wanna bet, and I got a $1000.00 dollars you are Right? Lmao!!! | |
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join:2002-04-29
Canton, SD | AT&T is Expensive For Smartphone Plans Wow, for the exact same thing I have will Alltel for $69.99 a month, it's going to run me $104.99 a month with AT&T.
Just great. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: AT&T is Expensive For Smartphone Plans You're not the only one.
I have Alltel's UNLIMITED DATA plan on my Mogul and this is going to severely screw me over.
Looks like I'll have to find alternatives. Damn.
Wait.. What about being "Grandfathered" in? If that's so, I'm signing up for another 2 years before it's official.
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join:2002-04-29
Canton, SD | Re: AT&T is Expensive For Smartphone Plans Yea, I am going to do the same thing. Hopefully, Alltel brings the Touch HD in before this happens, that's the phone I want. Otherwise, TouchPro.
Did you see AT&T charges extra for tethering also? I knew we had it too good with Alltel. | |
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| |  atuarreHere come the drumsPremium
join:2004-02-14
College Station, TX | said by Simba7:You're not the only one. I have Alltel's UNLIMITED DATA plan on my Mogul and this is going to severely screw me over. Looks like I'll have to find alternatives. Damn. Wait.. What about being "Grandfathered" in? If that's so, I'm signing up for another 2 years before it's official. You will probably be grandfathered in but you have to remember that was the whole Cingular Blue/Orange deal. Cingular blue customers couldn't get roll over minutes, otherwise they needed a new sim, which required new handsets. It was later discovered that the alleged required new sims that wouldn't work in the old phones, actually did work in the old handsets. | |
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join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA | I hate Verizon I have no problem with this at all.
Anything to hurt Verizon is all good with me. I cannot stand that company and IMHO they should not exist. | |
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| | | Re: I hate Verizon Whatever problems they've given you (billing?), they are definitely no worse than AT&T. | |
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| |  AT&T Buying Alltel..
Ohio will not be purchased by AT&T, here is the list of markets that AT&T is purchasing: Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming.
Alltel does have some GSM towers and advertises 3G also.
Now it comes down to approval from the FCC & the DOJ and we all know how long that could take. | |
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| | | Re: AT&T Buying Alltel.. I wish AT&T would buy Wisconsin service areas. The alltel service is garbage here. | |
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| atuarreHere come the drumsPremium
join:2004-02-14
College Station, TX | said by Guest :
I live in one of the markets AT&T is purchasing. With all of the towers and agreements Alltel has AT&T will have a lot better coverage. They have to keep the agreements in place for a certain period of time. AT&T isn't buying all of the market either, there are still 20 or so markets that Verizon has to sell (there was a total of 105).
Ohio will not be purchased by AT&T, here is the list of markets that AT&T is purchasing: Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming.
Alltel does have some GSM towers and advertises 3G also.
Now it comes down to approval from the FCC & the DOJ and we all know how long that could take.
Approval by the FCC and DOJ will not take long at all. | |
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join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK | Selectively broke Weird how when it comes to bargaining with the CWA for health benefits AT&T says they are so broke and hurting due to the economy. When it comes to buying other companies they have no problems coming up with billions. Heck the employee's cant even get plastic forks for the break room because "It costs too much". | |
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join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA
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| at&t or AT&T? A bit OT: But why put a Bell System logo here? The "new at&t" is nothing like the "old" AT&T! I was looking at a Princess phone when I posted this, BTW! 
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| | Alltel, AT&T, VZW, and so on.... I have had decent service with AT&T for a good while. Only one better was Cincinnati Bell, but once you leave the Cincy/Dayton area you roam. No roaming fees, but you cannot get some items you do when you are "home". Plus their iWireless GSM service is a bit expensive in the daytime if you do prepay. That is why I dropped my iWireless GSM and went to Net10. They use AT&T as well as T-mo towers. Whatever will get service. I do well with both. AT&T for main phone and Net10 for private line. I had an AlltelU phone at one point,too. But Wal-Mart sold them here when they should not have as Alltel was not licensed for SW Ohio area. After trying to activate it online, I had a choice of exchanges. Lima, St.Mary's or Kenton. Also, you were roaming but without the fees. When you dialed a number, a recording would tell you to dial the area code, number, and press the # key to complete the call. That lasted for 2 weeks and I gave the phone to a friend who activated it with Page Plus. That is why CDMA stinks. With GSM, I never have to jump through hoops, worry too much about roaming, or deal with phones (Verizon and Motorola's Phone Tools) that won't let me use their own mfr's software to load my own free ringtones and pix. Ohhh, and for those who love Sprint.... Buy a Virgin Mobile, ReadyMobile PCS, or Kroger version iWireless phone that runs off Sprint's PCS network and it alone. better yet, look at the coverage maps on the website. Far less than any other prepay service and no off network roaming. Only one worse? Cricket. You'd be better then to buy a Boost Mobile phone for prepay. Better coverage on the "Nextel" network. Be well | |
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join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | ATT FAMILY & FRIENDS? So if AT&T buys some of these markets of Alltel, does that mean they will do the same Family and Friends Verizon had to get adapted to? I wish, this will be a cool thing. | |
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| | Service area Does anyone know where there is a map of the areas that AT&T will be buying from Verizon? I don't think it's the entire states listed, are they? For example, I'm in Iowa and if AT&T is buying "mostly rural" customers of Verizon I doubt it would be getting Des Moines. | |
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