 SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19 | No Kidding though AT&T's planned use of piracy filters and slower VDSL network don't put in them in quite the same PR sweet spot as Verizon.
Ya think? | |
|  | jc100
join:2002-04-10
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: No Kidding ATT - How may we screw you today
That should be their new slogan. Everyone has to realize this company is among the worst offenders for everything. Then again, so was Verizon (in terms of the NSA stuff). However, at least Verizon is building out and not attempting to go full FU to their customers by implementing involuntary filters. After all, does an ISP want to be liable for their customers. If a customer bypasses the filter, said entity takes the responsibility since they are now taking the role of police. A hands off, let the customer face the penalty is a better attitude. Att will learn... MAYBE. | |
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Meh37
@verizon.net | Same old sh... uhh, stuff... Yep, at&t... known far and wide for their "me too" attitude. | |
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jhawk44
join:2006-10-19
USA | Re: Funny Someone as SMALL as Verizon? rofl. | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
Premium
join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Hell You would think they were headquartered in Redmond. | |
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MeToo
@gnupg.org | F**k'em when you can... F**k'em when you can, charm'em when you cain't. | |
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digitalfreak
Frodo failed. Bush has the ring
join:2005-12-09
49533 | Re: F**k'em when you can... Pay off the politicians when all else fails. | |
| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Which version? Well, if you remember there is a strand of truth to the statement, if be-it all razor thin.. their proposal with the piracy filters was for favoring p2p when the sales positively impacts AT&T's bottom line... that is, the AT&T, and the RIAA/MPAA make money from sales. Well, as you can imagine, this isn't exactly the kind of p2p that the bulk of consumers are lining up around the block for.. but take it for what it's worth. Nothing.
In reality.. we can only wait until AT&T finally sees the light on shadowing cable company's efforts to upgrade their networks. Since AT&T won't be so robust.. that gives Comcast and others plenty of time to maintain and build upon their lead while LANDLINES suffer the millions per quarter cuts of death in favor of VOIP. AT&T's new buddy rboc Bell South suffering the majority of that pain. | |
| backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| A little convo from AT&T At&t tech: Sir, everyone seems to be using P2P and our services. The intertubes are filling up our 90 year old infrastructure.
At&t Management: Hmmm.... Better throttle back those connections, we don't want people to use what they pay for!
At&t tech: But sir, P2P is the bulk of all transfers sureley people will notice this. Aren't you taking away the primary functionality of our service?
At&t Management: Don't worry, this will all blow over, We'll 'Embrace" P2P in the form of a press release.
At&t Tech: Great plan Sir! Now I see why you are in charge! | |
| | Trollhawk
join:2005-05-28
| Re: A little convo from AT&T Would be funnier if you actually got your facts right.
1. Do you honestly think a company like AT&T hasn't upgraded their infrastructure for 90yrs? Do you think their network could have handled over 4 petabytes/day, 90yrs ago?
2. I think you got AT&T confused with Comcast. Comcast is the one throttling connections. AT&T is talking about theoretically blocking illegal file transfers, which so far has yet to happen.
3. AT&T is doing more than "embracing" P2P in a press release. They are one of the companies, along with Verizon, doing research on P4P technology. It's even stated in the article. Did you read it? | |
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X_Digit
Binary Enhanced
Premium
join:2003-06-12
Mansfield, TX
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March 19th, @04:25PM
| Re: A little convo from AT&T Um, it's called "exaggerated sarcasm". And, how would him getting his facts right make it "funnier"?
Moving on... filters will NEVER work. They require some kind of "signature" process! Simply encrypt, obfuscate, or scramble the data... and it'll zoom right passed any filters.
"Filters" is a word security companies make billion-dollar-deals w/ incompetent mega-corporations with.
Also, even though AT&T "may be" researching P2P, P4P (or whatever spin'd label they wanna put on sharing)... from their passed experience, you can only assume it's ONLY using a method that they'll benefit from. They're all for P2P... as long as they're controlling the content, and making some kind of return off of it.
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Respectfully, X_Digit | |
| | | | Trollhawk
join:2005-05-28
| Re: A little convo from AT&T "...you can only assume..."
See. Your whole argument just fell apart, right there. You're making arguments, based on assumptions. Well, you don't have to assume anything! You can read all about it. In fact, follow the links that Laird Popkin provided, below. Did you know that Bittorent, itself, is also one of the core members of the P4P group? What interest would they have in "hampering" P2P for consumers?
Also, why would ANY company do something that they wouldn't benefit from? I don't see what you're arguing there. Also, why does something, that benefits a company, necessarily mean that it's to the detriment of consumers? You act as if corporations and consumers on constantly on opposite ends of a balance scale, and that neither can benefit without hurting the other. If P4P can increase the efficiency of P2P, then that would lessen the load on carriers' networks, letting them allow P2P, instead of hindering it, a la Comcast. | |
| | | | | backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | Re: A little convo from AT&T hey genius....
What do you get when you put a megacorp in between P2P?
Do you even know what P2P stands for? | |
| | | | | | Trollhawk
join:2005-05-28
| Re: A little convo from AT&T I don't even know what your last post has to do with the previous ones, but I'll answer you anyway.
P2P stands for "peer to peer". However, you are obviously taking that at face value, suggesting that connections between peers are actually point-to-point, with no "middlemen" inbetween. If you're only sharing files between users on a private LAN, then sure. However, if, like most people, you use P2P applications over the Internet, then you are most assuredly traversing the networks of AT&T, Verizon, and the like. These "megacorps" aren't just now trying to get between P2P users. They have always been between P2P users. They are just working on technologies to increase the efficiency of P2P protocols on their networks.
Now, what exactly are you arguing about? Or did you just type a knee-jerk response to a valid critique of your post? | |
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Laird Popkin
@verizon.net
|  AT&T has been very supportive of the P4P Working Group
For more information on P4P, we have a writeup at »www.pandonetworks.com/p4p, and the Working Group and quite a bit of detailed material is at »www.dcia.info/activities/. | |
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AT&T: Uh Guys? We 'Embraced' P2P Too
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