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Ocean City, NJ
2 edits | VSDL2 or VDSL2 ? AT&T VSDL2 VDSL2 Line Bonding Trials Slip Into 2009 | |
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Ditch copper. Copper is still great for cable companies, they can milk it for a while longer with DOCSIS 3.
But this trial business with doing "theoretical 40 mbps at 5,000 feet" while their biggest competitor is laying fiber that can already support 100 Mbps, and if FIOS nodes get upgraded from 622 Mbps connections shared between 50 FIOS users to something in the Gbps, they are ready for the future.
AT&T is struggling with more then one HD stream at the same time to the house, let alone watching one on 1 TV, watching 1 on another AND recording a 3d... which happens in my house all the time.
AT&T can't give you any more upload past 1 Mbps. Even my cable is 2 Mbps upload now, and FIOS is offering 20/20 connections, and the 20/5 connections are pretty affordable.
They are betting on the wrong horse here. Time to ditch copper and switch to fiber deployment..... I know this may not be the right time to admit "technological defeat" after they have made so many promises to investors.... but c'mon:
Verizon? Can offer 50 Mbps connections already with FIOS. And that being said most major European telco's are deploying fiberoptics to the home, knowing that this is the only way to the future.
Cable? Is deploying DOCSIS 3.0, and several cable companies have been offering 50 Mbps type connections in select cities in both Europe and the US.
AT&T? Will test something in 2009 which theoretically can get you 40 Mbps. If within the right distance.
By the time most cable networks are DOCSIS 3.0, which is really their only DIRECT competitor when it comes to providing internet to homes, they will find themselves obsolete.
I have a DVR that records 2 HDTV streams, I have a computer with 2 monitors and a TV card that receives the QAM HD channels, and I would not surprise me with the way my wife slurps up FoodHD and HGTV-HD that we are using 3 HD streams almost daily. AT&T just doesn't seem to get that even 4 HDTV streams that they can offer in select areas by bonding the copper (but not at the same time a 18 Mbps connection, only a 6 Mbps one if you want 4 HDTV streams) that they are getting hopelessly obsolete, fast?
They really need to examine fiber deployment. Now.
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Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC | Re: Ditch copper. Not everyone has access to FIOS or even a cable provider who is worth a damn. For those of us who are stuck with our DSL connections and crappy cable providers who have no plans of upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0, VDSL is a glimmer of hope. | |
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moonfish
join:2007-09-13
Memphis, TN
 ·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Ditch copper. said by Hazy Arc  :Not everyone has access to FIOS or even a cable provider who is worth a damn. For those of us who are stuck with our DSL connections and crappy cable providers who have no plans of upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0, VDSL is a glimmer of hope. QFT. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| said by maartena :AT&T is struggling with more then one HD stream at the same time to the house, let alone watching one on 1 TV, watching 1 on another AND recording a 3d... which happens in my house all the time. AT&T can't give you any more upload past 1 Mbps. Even my cable is 2 Mbps upload now, and FIOS is offering 20/20 connections, and the 20/5 connections are pretty affordable. Hmm - I'm pretty sure that AT&T has been offering 2SD+2HD.
Also, AT&T has 10/1.5 and 18/1.5 connections (TWC has 10/1 here). | |
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
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Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Ditch copper. said by en102 :said by maartena :AT&T is struggling with more then one HD stream at the same time to the house, let alone watching one on 1 TV, watching 1 on another AND recording a 3d... which happens in my house all the time. AT&T can't give you any more upload past 1 Mbps. Even my cable is 2 Mbps upload now, and FIOS is offering 20/20 connections, and the 20/5 connections are pretty affordable. Hmm - I'm pretty sure that AT&T has been offering 2SD+2HD. Also, AT&T has 10/1.5 and 18/1.5 connections (TWC has 10/1 here). My TWC can do two HD streams in the living room (DVR) and one in my computer room without a problem. And provide 15/2 internet at the same time.
You can do 4HD in certain areas with AT&T, but not in combination with 18/1. Want 3 of 4 HD streams, you are stuck with 6 Mbps internet for now. I can add 5 more HDTV's and still have my 15/2 internet.
I'm not saying u-verse doesn't have it's place, but the technology used has already reached it's ceiling before it's even implemented on a widespread scale. | |
| | MyDogHsFleas
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join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest
| I'm not, obviously, saying that copper is as good as fiber to the home, but you are unnecessarily negative about what AT&T can do with copper and where they stand competitively.
"Their biggest competitor is laying fiber" -- assuming you mean Verizon FIOS, they are not a competitor at this time, they serve different cities/neighborhoods (with very few exceptions). U-verse's competition is primarily cable, and they are adding subs and cities about as fast as they can.
"Struggling with more than one HD stream" -- where do you get the "struggling" part? 2HD/2SD is deployed everywhere now. A few customers who are at the fringes of range from the VRAD can only get 1HD.
"No upload past 1Mbps" -- geez do some simple research, they offer 1.5 megabit uploads in the two top tiers. And again comparisons to FIOS are not germane because they don't compete.
"Time to ditch copper and switch to fiber" -- this is a very simplistic view of the situation. First, AT&T U-verse DOES support FTTH, in new greenfield developments where fiber is laid to start with. Second, it's really not an "either-or". The VRAD deployment brought the fiber within 3000 feet of the customer, it's just the last 1/2 mile that needs to be upgraded when it's time to fatten the pipe all the way to the home.
And, the fact that powered, intelligent, active VRADs are in place everywhere, and that they are already on video over IP, means that they can be much more flexible in distributing capability throughout their network, as compared to the usual passive optical or DOCSIS network, which only has powered equipment back at the office. | |
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| Telephony and registration Karl -- just to clarify your comment on Telephony:
We don't require everyone to register, but after an individual has clicked on a number of different articles (indicating a serious interest in the subject matter) we do ask that they register so we can document for advertisers just who is visiting the Web site.
It's still all free for the viewing -- sort of like your free membership? | |
| | jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Re: Telephony and registration bah... Free membership here is so we can keep track of each other and be sure who's posting what, anyone can read for hours on end here at BBR and not have to create an account.
Curious what percentage of users enter garbage into these annoying registration systems just to bypass the requirement? Any user IDs called "asdf@adf.com"?
(Sorry for the OT, this is a personal annoyance of mine, second only to having to register on a site just to download driver files... ugh!) | |
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Samus82
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Chicago, IL
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| 2sd-2hd you can record 4 shows at once with uverse. watch 2 sd and 2 hd at once.. You can watch how ever many you want if its the same channel.
right now im working in a building on lake shore drive in chicago. There is a vrad in the basement that feeds 200 people.. How is that diffrent from fios? Its the same at 2000N Lincolin park.
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aaronwt
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
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| Re: 2sd-2hd said by Samus82 :you can record 4 shows at once with uverse. watch 2 sd and 2 hd at once.. You can watch how ever many you want if its the same channel. right now im working in a building on lake shore drive in chicago. There is a vrad in the basement that feeds 200 people.. How is that diffrent from fios? Its the same at 2000N Lincolin park. Even 2HD /2SD is pathetic. I'm recording several channels at once on a daily basis, all HD. Even back in 2001 I could record two HD channels at a time with my HiPix ATSC PC cards. | |
| alchav
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Palm Desert, CA |  AT&T U-Verse Keeps Digging them into a Bigger Hole!
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| | ILpt4U
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Lisle, IL
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| Re: AT&T U-Verse Keeps Digging them into a Bigger Hole! said by alchav :I think the BellHeads at AT&T are running around trying to figure out what went wrong with their VDSL Copper strategy. AT&T will keep sinking and sinking until they wake up to the fact that their Copper Plan has back fired on them. Right. That is why U-Verse reached the 1 Millionth Video Customer (just slightly) AHEAD of schedule. Because "their Copper Plan has backfired." Are you serious? Things are going as planned, if not better. U-Verse orders cannot be completed fast enough. The product sells itself. | |
| | | Metatron2008
join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA | Re: AT&T U-Verse Keeps Digging them into a Bigger Hole! You mean for today. The plan worked for 2008.
Tell me what the plan is for 2009 and beyond? | |
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fatmanskinny
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Wandering
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·EarthLink
| Re: AT&T U-Verse Keeps Digging them into a Bigger Hole! said by Metatron2008 :You mean for today. The plan worked for 2008. Tell me what the plan is for 2009 and beyond? Right! AT&T will eventually fade to black like any other company that cannot evolve and surpass or keep up with the competitors.
Comcast is beating them over the head with internet speeds, Comcast Digital Voice (which is pretty solid, BTW) and cable. At this point, I don't even know if I would try U-Verse as Comcast just keep making deals sweeter, which in turns make it harder to leave them for their "competition" AT&T. 
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| said by ILpt4U :said by alchav :I think the BellHeads at AT&T are running around trying to figure out what went wrong with their VDSL Copper strategy. AT&T will keep sinking and sinking until they wake up to the fact that their Copper Plan has back fired on them. Right. That is why U-Verse reached the 1 Millionth Video Customer (just slightly) AHEAD of schedule. Because "their Copper Plan has backfired." Are you serious? Things are going as planned, if not better. U-Verse orders cannot be completed fast enough. The product sells itself. A month ago I tried to get uverse tv. The node is right at my back yrd. It turned out the signal wasnt strong enough to handle any more than 1 tv. I have 3 so I said to forget the whole thing.  | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by ILpt4U :said by alchav :I think the BellHeads at AT&T are running around trying to figure out what went wrong with their VDSL Copper strategy. AT&T will keep sinking and sinking until they wake up to the fact that their Copper Plan has back fired on them. Right. That is why U-Verse reached the 1 Millionth Video Customer (just slightly) AHEAD of schedule. Because "their Copper Plan has backfired." Are you serious? Things are going as planned, if not better. U-Verse orders cannot be completed fast enough. The product sells itself. You're right, because the Average Person doesn't know any better. All most people care about is that their High Speed is faster than Dial Up, they don't even know or care how fast it is. So like Metatron said, it's okay for today, but will it be good enough tomorrow. I say no, FTTH is the Future! | |
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Ima
join:2003-10-23
Little Rock, AR
·AT&T Southwest
| said by alchav :I think the BellHeads at AT&T are running around trying to figure out what went wrong with their VDSL Copper strategy. AT&T will keep sinking and sinking until they wake up to the fact that their Copper Plan has back fired on them. You couldn't be more wrong. U-verse is far from a failure. It's as if 90% of the people who gripe and complain about U-verse complain just because it's cool to bash the product. Bash it with no real basis. What they think is a real problem is simply personal preference. It doesn't cater to everyone, especially the technophiles. I'm all for putting newer technologies into play, and bringing the US to the forefront in the technology field, but, it's just ridiculous at this point. For the price and what you get, U-verse is an amazing product at an even more amazing price and that's what makes it so successful.
Back fired? Not at all. It just isn't for you, that's all there is to it. | |
| | | Metatron2008
join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA
1 edit | Re: AT&T U-Verse Keeps Digging them into a Bigger Hole! The At&t supporters in this topic look as far ahead as At&t themselves do (IE, the next quarter, and the quick buck, not to 5 years ahead) | |
| | | alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| You couldn't be more wrong. U-verse is far from a failure. It's as if 90% of the people who gripe and complain about U-verse complain just because it's cool to bash the product. Bash it with no real basis. What they think is a real problem is simply personal preference. It doesn't cater to everyone, especially the technophiles. I'm all for putting newer technologies into play, and bringing the US to the forefront in the technology field, but, it's just ridiculous at this point. For the price and what you get, U-verse is an amazing product at an even more amazing price and that's what makes it so successful.
Back fired? Not at all. It just isn't for you, that's all there is to it.
You have me all wrong Ima, I never said U-Verse was a Failure just the wrong decision. I'm an x-Telco Guy too, I retired from PacBell, but I don't consider myself a BellHead. That's what I use to call the old AT&T Management School of Thought. They tend to drag their feet, have a bunch of meetings, run long tests, and then come up with Obsolete Ideas. Yes I'm a Telco Tech Guy, I worked my way up from Operations to a Service Manager working with Marketing. I believe Pacific Bell, with the help of Al Gore, invented the Internet. I just feel AT&T took the Company in the wrong direction and they will suffer for it in the long run. | |
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fiber_man
Things Happen For A Reason
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join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL
·AT&T U-Verse
| Copper backfired!! What a crock of BS. Their copper has been around for a while and made them plenty of money. They are still using it while extending the fiber to the Vrads which are about 3000 ft. from the customers. The existing copper is being used to help defer the cost of laying the fiber to the nodes. Then in the future they can go from the Vrads to the homes with more fiber. It is easier to go to the Vrads and serve several customers now than to go to every home and serve one customer.
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| | rem2506
join:2008-12-17
Fontana, CA
| Re: Copper backfired!! The proof of the pudding is the eating. I wanted uverse tv since the info att sent me looked great. ATT tech shows up and finds the signal is only strong enough to handle one tv at a time. I have 3. First tech calls a second tech to verify everything. OOPS! It seems I am too far away for a good signal. This after a ATT installer was in my backyard two different days last summer upgrading the line for the upcoming uverse. | |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | Hmmm... Should of installed Fiber, Mmmmkay.... Surprise, surprise. | |
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