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AT&T Vaguely Hints at More 1 Gbps U-Verse Markets
by Karl Bode 04:46PM Tuesday Sep 24 2013 Tipped by Van See Profile
AT&T has yet to offer a single customer 1 Gbps service, but that didn't stop AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson today from hinting at additional 1 Gbps market launches that may or may not happen. To counter media excitement created by Google Fiber's move into Austin last April, AT&T issued an ambiguous announcement one day later proclaiming they were "prepared to build" networks with "advanced fiber optic infrastructure" under select circumstances.

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AT&T's CEO has now expanded on their vague plans with another layer of ambiguity, hinting there could be an undetermined number of additional 1 Gbps deployments down the road.

Maybe.

"The cost dynamics look good, the revenue implications look good, the market implications look good, so you're going to see more of this over time and I fully expect you'll see us doing markets like this over the next few years," Stephenson told attendees of the Goldman Sachs Communacopia conference in New York today.

AT&T users shouldn't get too excited. What Stephenson's hinting at are highly selective greenfield deployments to only the easiest and most profitable developments (like this recent AT&T agreement with Camden Property Trust). AT&T currently caps these development users at slower U-Verse speeds despite being on fiber, in order to offer a "consistent user experience."

AT&T likes how Google has been allowed to cherry pick certain neighborhoods for deployment, something regulators, municipalities and franchise agreements used to frown upon because it left countless lower income and minority communities unserved. Google Fiber has also scored some sweetheart deals in negotiations with cities desperate for advanced infrastructure, and AT&T wants in.

AT&T has long been criticized for its decision to deploy fiber to the node instead of following Verizon's lead with fiber to the home. That decision, while lauded by investors for its cost savings, is a big reason why AT&T has struggled to match faster cable broadband speeds, even with their latest, selectively-available 45 Mbps U-Verse upgrades. Keep in mind AT&T also imposes caps as low as 150 GB.

Despite purportedly being a broadband company, AT&T executives and investors have never had the stomach for any meaningful next-gen broadband deployment, a big reason for Google Fiber's ascension in the first place. AT&T's 1 Gbps announcement was, much like a similar announcement by CenturyLink last May, more about saving face in the Google Fiber age than actual deployment.

It appears that it's all the rage to announce an ambiguous 1 Gbps deployment to a building or two, advertise yourself as a cutting edge broadband provider on par with Google Fiber (even though tens of millions of your users can't get 6 Mbps, much less 1 Gbps), then make incredibly vague hints of future, indeterminate 1 Gbps deployments. Who needs the cost and hassle of fiber to the home when you've got fiber to the press release?

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Boricua
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Since when...

That'll be the day. They're are still using the copper lines of many homes so how the frack are they going to manage that?
--
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skuv

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Re: Since when...

By running fiber to the home?

weaseled386

join:2008-04-13
Port Orange, FL
Not all of AT&T's customers are on copper. Certain areas are on on Ericcson BLM1500's or Alcatel 7342's. These two systems (I've put a couple dozen in around Central Florida) would most-likely be first to see increased speeds.

Frank
is chilling
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somewhere

1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

The point of having such a fast connection is to be able to do stuff that requires alot of bandwidth usage.
brad

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: 1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

1Gbps = the amount of bandwidth. What you really mean is having a fast connection is pointless with such a low monthly traffic allowance. But that is the case even with a relatively slow connection as well. A connection is useless if it has a low monthly traffic allowance never mind like some of the Canadian providers with 60 and 80GB caps, that is just insane.
openbox9
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Re: 1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

said by brad:

A connection is useless if it has a low monthly traffic allowance

Useless? Be careful with absolute assertions.
brad

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: 1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

said by openbox9:

said by brad:

A connection is useless if it has a low monthly traffic allowance

Useless? Be careful with absolute assertions.

Ok.... it is useless for anything other than checking e-mail and light web surfing.
openbox9
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Re: 1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

I would take a 1 Gbps service capped at 250, 80, or even 60 GB/mth over a 3/1 Mbps, unlimited service any day of the week, all else being equal. I'd hazard a guess that a majority of other consumers would as well.
brad

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Re: 1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

I wouldn't take either. One is too slow and I would only use to check e-mail and very light web surfing and the other is super fast but practically useless for me. It's like having a Ferrari I can just barely get out of the driveway or maybe around the block and that's it. I would rather have a 25 - 100 Mbps connection with no insane limit. IMO the majority of other consumers would rather have that.
openbox9
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Re: 1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

Of course, but the reality for those options is shrinking.
brad

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Re: 1gbps is useless with a 250gb cap.

In the US that seems to be the case. It is pretty sad. A really broken Internet.
guppy_fish
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Typical CEO make the natvies happy speak

Doesn't cost a penny to make future promises .. and they know it!

tshirt
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I think they're looking towards...

G.fast which could make many Uverse areas 1Gbit, then some greenfield FTTH or fttn will cover more users.
they have a lot of different territories with differing problems and several different solutions

DataRiker
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Re: I think they're looking towards...

I have serious doubts 100 Mhz can carry over relatively good twisted pair for more than 350 ft when in a cat3 bundle.

Add in ATT's ancient partially untwisted scotch locked 26awg main line wire and you can subtract 100 ft or more.

Good luck with that.

tshirt
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Re: I think they're looking towards...

That may be, but IF they can make 50-75% more DSL/uverse areas higher speed for little investment that frees dollars towards areas that need one of the other technologies.
Sure, in a "perfect" world, with somebody else paying the bills, fiber would be everywhere.
In the real world that isn't likely, so each increment is worth applause.
Bob61571

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Cherry Picking ?!?

What about all the AT&T DSL markets where they only offer 3 or 6Mbps down? When will AT&T address the needs of those people? Really, they've been cherry picking for years, since only some AT&T markets have U-Verse available, vs. old/slow AT&T DSL.
biochemistry

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Re: Cherry Picking ?!?

How about starting with the AT&T markets where they don't even have DSL available, like mine?

atcotr

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Re: Cherry Picking ?!?

Where's that?
davidhoffman
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Re: Cherry Picking ?!?

There is an area around the intersection of Maynard's Mill Road and Peebles Drive in Monroe County GA. And that is with TWO different AF&T fiber optic cables running underground along the roads.

AMDUSER
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Well, the problem At&t has is while they do have U-Verse available, some of it is limited to 3-6 Meg IP-DSL.. [Branded as U-verse, no tv service available.]
My house included.. and I checked with the folks in the At&t direct forum.

What Ma Bell, and Co. should do is upgrade to fttp and be done with it. They can even get millions of dollars from recycling the old copper plant in the process. They could even save money on maintenance costs as well.
TBBroadband

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Re: Cherry Picking ?!?

They upgrade and you'll have companies like DSLX and Sonic crying because they can't use that last mile.
TBBroadband

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Fremont, OH
AT&T is busy upgrading those areas to IPDSL.
bcltoys

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Sweating ( Google)

Hopefully this will get them all sweating . But Verizon is the one I want to really sweat they have the most money to work with. Then up next the US Government for letting this happen in the first place. I/E lobbyest's.
Gilitar

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Re: Sweating ( Google)

said by bcltoys:

Hopefully this will get them all sweating . But Verizon is the one I want to really sweat they have the most money to work with. Then up next the US Government for letting this happen in the first place. I/E lobbyest's.

Verizon's piggy bank was just broken for the buyout of Vodafone's share of VZW. Their pockets aren't as deep at this point.
guppy_fish
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Re: Sweating ( Google)

^^ This ^^
right or wrong, Verizon won't comment another dime into FIOS beyond the NYC build out which is contractually committed to. After that, its goodbye wired forever as far as Verizon is concerned.
TBBroadband

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Re: Sweating ( Google)

That NYC contract is full of loop holes as well. Along with all the other FiOS contracts and the GF contract. Allowed out in X years if the uptake is too low to return $$$. Not worth keeping up due to customers not signing up. The list goes on.
openbox9
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I'm on record as disagreeing with your belief that VZ is done with wired. I'll say it again, I believe once the LTE build is done, and now the VOD absorption is complete, VZ will reengage with upgrading it's profitable wireline service areas.
guppy_fish
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Re: Sweating ( Google)

That's the issue, wired line divison is a 1000 ton boat anchor, that slipped into the abyss pulling the company with it, its a loss and adds nothing to Verizon's profit. Wireless will never be done "upgrading" after 4G, they move to 5G ect ... They have very clearly said wireless it there future
openbox9
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Re: Sweating ( Google)

I guess we'll see. VZ has profitable wireline markets and those will be the ones the company keeps and pushes fiber to. The other, undesirable markets will be sold off or ignored as much as possible. Yes, wireless is the future. I've said that as well. There is a balance and VZ can (and will, IMO) do both.
Gilitar

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Whatever....

Randall Stephenson is full of it. He's left the nearly 2 million fiber to the curb customers with no upgrade. Not to mention the countless other DSL customers. He's nothing more than a bean counter. He needs to go.
etaadmin

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Comical...

but talk is cheap... do it! Just do it.
en103

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Google doesn't tie in any 'traditional' phone services

Making it easier to bypass regulations.

If AT&T wants to deploy Internet, with the possibility of TV, then it probably could.
If AT&T wants to use Telco funded POTS lines/ROW, they may have some issues unless they completely shed POTS.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: Google doesn't tie in any 'traditional' phone services

T is killing POTS as the U-Verse network is built. You don't get an actual POTs line. You get VoIP/Digital phone. No power, no phone.
BiggA

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EARTH

Fiber to the press release

Good one. I've given up on AT&T. They don't seem to care about slowly becoming irrelevant.
MeInDallas

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Dallas, TX

Fall Is Here . . .

Guess with fall now here they needed to bloviate with some hot air and warm things up a little bit . . .

alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA

If you want AT&T 1Gbps U-Verse, put your Money on the Table!

I think AT&T is just saying, if you are in an area serviced by them just come in with a good offer and put some Money on the Table. Everybody wants a Free Lunch, but it cost money to lay FTTH. So if a City or Community wants 1Gbps U-Verse, make it 100% participation and I'm sure AT&T will listen.
Bengie25

join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI

Re: If you want AT&T 1Gbps U-Verse, put your Money on the Table!

"but it cost money to lay FTTH"

Yeah, about the same as their new DSL services.
nlwnola

join:2011-01-19
Metairie, LA
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Do we really need 1gbps at the home?

I have never understood why anyone needs that high of a connection to their home. I just upgraded to U-verse Power 45, I like the bump in speed I got from 24, but I dont' see it as a necessity. I pad $10/mth more for a luxury. I mean damn, it wasn't that long ago that we were on 56k dial up with AOL.

When OTT tv services are worth wild I may think about it.

Point is that the average user does not need 1Gbps to the home, no matter what.

•••

cfm117

join:2004-02-13
Woodland Hills, CA

Alot of fiber already out there

ATT has been putting in alot of fiber MPOE's out here. Im almost seeing a fiber MPOE in every medium to large business building now. Alot of businesses out here are doing 1G Opt-E-Man connections. I know they were not installed for Uverse products, but ATT doing FTTP using existing infastructure and rights of way would be somewhat trivial.
Sahrin

join:2004-05-15
Houston, TX

Unfortunate, The effect of Google Fiber

Seems to be that rich neighborhoods can now get 1 Gbps for more affordable prices than they could before.

It's always good that telecos are willing to deploy faster service, but this whole "only with reservations" nonsense... Speaks to how badly managed the telcommunications system is managed in this country (not just by the telcos though AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, and Time Warner are certainly the Four Horsemenm - also the FCC, Congress, the White House, hardware industry eg Cisco et al).
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Want real press cheap?: Offer 1Gbps to 1Million u-verse FTTH

Stephenson claimed regulations prevent them from cherry-picking, requiring universal service. Someone must explain that in GREAT DETAIL before it holds water.

Only voice is or can be (on copper) universal. All xDSL variants already in heavy use give VERY wide range of data speeds by distance and line quality. ATT is already notorious for cherry-picking neighborhoods to upgrade beyond DSL to u-verse (huge speed range still).

Their dirt cheapest path, extra low hanging fruit, to getting JUSTIFIABLE PRESS for offering 1Gbps, to over ONE MILLION units (»Ask DSLReports: U-Verse in BellSouth Territory?), is to upgrade their existing u-verse FTTH coverage (ALREADY fiber laid to the premises). Why not?

Even with fiber already laid to the premises (the hard part), ATT still does not exploit it.

Why don't ATT shareholders take them to task for wasting this potential revenue stream, year after year?