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AT&T, Verizon Have the Best LTE, Depending Who You Ask
Though Neither Network is Bearing Much of a Load Yet
by Karl Bode Friday 18-May-2012 tags: business · wireless · alternatives · bandwidth · telco · stats · consumers · Verizon · wireless
Early tests have suggested that AT&T's network actually outperforms Verizon's LTE network, though with neither network supporting much of a subscriber load at the moment that might not mean all that much. While we were recently somewhat...indisposed, PC World offered up a new wireless speedtest rundown showing that AT&T's implementation of LTE is currently offering the fastest speeds -- topping Verizon in every market they both offer LTE in except New Orleans.

Of course AT&T's currently only offering LTE in around 31 markets compared to more than 200 for Verizon, though AT&T hopes to ramp up availability quickly this year and have most of their markets covered by the end of 2013. Which network offers the fastest speeds seems to vary depending on which study you're looking at. While PC World found AT&T to be the fastest, a Rootmetrics study from mid-April claimed that Verizon's LTE network offers better overall performance:

While AT&T appears to have the edge in average LTE download speeds, Verizon owned the battlefield when we compared how often we could actually access each carrier’s LTE networks. Verizon offers the more mature LTE network and it shows in the ability to access LTE. We found LTE service much more often with Verizon than we did with AT&T. Taking into consideration all 15 markets (where both companies offered LTE, we found LTE during 92 percent of our download tests with Verizon and only 66 percent of the time with AT&T.

A more recent Rootmetrics study takes things further, exploring overall speed comparisons when factoring in HSPA+.

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skeechan
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AT&T blows here

In my area of SoCal I'm lucky to see 5Mb from AT&T's LTE. From Verizon I routinely get 9Mb+ (with a MiFi puck) and the same with Clear's WiMax puck (and Clear is truly unlimited...until they go bankrupt anyway).
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Re: AT&T blows here

AT&T also has the less bandwidth for LTE. Heck, in some markets they only have 10Mhz, while Verizon has 30Mhz to 50Mhz.

Once the 4G devices start rolling out, AT&T customers are going to suffer quite a bit.

Not to mention, with the AT&T LTE service, you ironically cannot talk and surf at LTE. Whenever a call comes in, data drops down to 3G.
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Re: AT&T blows here

AT&T has some 10x10 markets (I think Houston is one). This is compared to a full 10x10 network for VZW...AT&T has only 5x5 in other markets, as you implied here. As of right now neither carrier has delpoyed non-700MHz LTE, so active carriers top out at a single 10x10.

CaptainRR
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That is a good point, VZW will stay with LTE data while in a call to surf. Something I never do but I could always surf with a smartphone while in a call with Wi-Fi.

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10mbps on HSPA+. 20mbps on LTE. Pretty consistent. This is only with 3/5 bars.

LTE in NYC. HSPA+ in west NJ.
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LTE Isn't so great -

Click for full size
At the local convention center.

The T'bolt on the left had a 144/147 on 4G and the Droid X2 on the right had 896/573 on 3G.

Pretty sad.

MalibuMaxx
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Re: LTE Isn't so great -

Bull:

»www.speedtest.net/android/147389163.png

on my vzw stratosphere... but I regularly get 9 to 22 Mbps
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Re: LTE Isn't so great -

said by MalibuMaxx:

Bull:

»www.speedtest.net/android/147389163.png

on my vzw stratosphere... but I regularly get 9 to 22 Mbps

Can't argue with the results. It was that way the entire day.

Now, that being said, the fastest I've ever tested out to is 32640/10549 (250ms). Normally, in this part of the city I see around 4-7Mbps. But on that day, at the convention center, well, you can see the picture for yourself.

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I get excellent results with my Rezound on Verizon's LTE service.

I just took this video with my iPod minutes ago.

Video:

»s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab13···095e.mp4




Results:



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You didn't use the same speed test server, so your results are not valid. Use the same speed test server, then try again.
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Re: LTE Isn't so great -

said by Cjaiceman:

You didn't use the same speed test server, so your results are not valid. Use the same speed test server, then try again.

I don't think that's really a problem. The servers were close enough (one was 30 minutes west, the other 15 minutes south). And other speed tests through out the day had similar numbers.

For example, at 9:33am I posted a 511/23 (269ms) on 4G. Then the one you see above. Then, at 12:31, I switched the t'bolt over to 3G and it pulled a 992/169.

Something was clearly wrong with the 4G network during that time.

Also, at work, 3 blocks away, my t'bolt SUCKS at keeping a stable 4G connection. As do several of our mobile WiFi/4G jobbie thingies.

odreian615

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I get 10.5Mb down and 1.76 up on At&t LTE(4bars) with a Nokia L900

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LTE Deployment Comparison...

What's even more pathetic is that Verizon can light up nearly as many LTE markets as AT&T has in its whole network in a single day.

AT&T is at 38 LTE markets now. The last LTE deployment press release from AT&T:
3 markets... »www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4···ear=2012

As for the latest new release on LTE from Verizon, take your pick:
»news.verizonwireless.com/LTE/Overview.html

Maps:
AT&T: »www.att.com/network/
38 LTE Markets
vs.
Verizon: »network4g.verizonwireless.com/
258 LTE Markets

Verizon is absolutely wiping the floor with AT&T. As I said before, I hope that Sprint and T-mobile will finish the job.
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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

said by IPPlanMan:

What's even more pathetic is that Verizon can light up nearly as many LTE markets as AT&T has in its whole network in a single day.

AT&T is at 38 LTE markets now. The last LTE deployment press release from AT&T:
3 markets... »www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4···ear=2012

As for the latest new release on LTE from Verizon, take your pick:
»news.verizonwireless.com/LTE/Overview.html

Maps:
AT&T: »www.att.com/network/
38 LTE Markets
vs.
Verizon: »network4g.verizonwireless.com/
258 LTE Markets

Verizon is absolutely wiping the floor with AT&T. As I said before, I hope that Sprint and T-mobile will finish the job.

Verizon has to do that since they are on cdma, att can take their time. I get 7/3 on my iphone 4s . Att has the speed o ntheir 3g network to wait and do the 4g roll out slowly if needed.

Also keep in mind lte is only data as of right now anyway.
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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

Where? Certainly not in NYC or any other major city along the East coast. I have to wait until 4am to hit 3 to 5.5 MB DL. UL's on the majority of their network are also still capped at about 1Mbits.

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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

Is that Faux 4G your talking about (HSPA+)? I have a SGS2 on AT&T in central NJ, and I get speeds like that, topping out at about 7 - 8 mbps around 4 am, I'm in the suburbs so I'm sure the lower congestion accounts for my slightly higher speeds.

4G LTE requires a newer handset like the SGS2 Skyrocket or the HTC One X
BiggA

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Depends on where you are. I've hit 8mbps in Michigan, 6mbps in Alaska, and 5-6 many other places, with consistent speeds of 1.5-5mbps. NYC is another story.

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Taking its time? Hardly. ... AT&T rebranded a 3G network 4G...after telling T-Mobile that it can't/shouldn't do that. AT&T needed to do that because its so far behind Verizon, that not doing do would be even more embarrassing for AT&T than the LTE market statistics I gave above:

38 LTE markets for AT&T
258 LTE markets for Verizon
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Data is all you need on LTE...unless of course your voice network sucks

The only company that actually doesn't need an LTE upgrade right now is T-Mobile, but that's because they're treating their HSPA+ 42 network s if it's the most cutting-edge tech out there. In areas where they've refarmed PCS spectrum to HSPA+, I can pretty much guarantee that your iPhone will run faster on them than on AT&T.

I'm a bit curious as to how much of AT&T's network (markets, population covered) can get HSPA+ at this point (i.e. the speeds you're seeing). Maybe compare that to, say, Verizon LTE coverage. I'd wager that, while there is a gap (I know this for a fact), it isn't very big at all.
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The irony is that the majority of AT&T's HSPA+ network apparently had the fiber in place. Therefore, the installation of LTE should have been a walk in the park. This just goes to show that Southwestern Bell (i.e AT&T) are just good at spinning the PR.

Heck, in the DC area alone. I am yet to see a new cell site from the original small roll-out in about 10 months now. They're clearly building this out as they did with 3G, which is actually still being built throughout the nation.

Another point, why do these idiots (AT&T) make it so difficult to distinguish LTE from 3G on their maps. Surely LTE should be a different color.
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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

They have TNS...Tiny Network Syndrome.

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This is why i left AT&T, they are all hype and no investment, they talk a big game, but when it comes to deployment they are slow as hell and their network upgrade policy seems to be, wait until an area is over-saturated then upgrade them and stop, don't put any added investment into the network until it's over saturated again, while Verizon will deploy LTE to an area and then continue working on it.
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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

My experience is quite the opposite, around my area, AT&T has a much larger coverage area and it (UMTS HSPA+) speeds are consistently 2-7mbps. Verizon has a much smaller coverage area, and 500kbps is an excellent speedtest on Verizon around here.

IPPlanMan
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Perhaps AT&T is willing to consider the deployment of a single LTE tower market coverage?

At this point, to catch up to Verizon which has 6x the number of LTE markets, I wouldn't put it AT&T to do something like this.
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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

Installing a single carrier per site will lead Verizon into an exceptional problem by the end of 2013. You will find they were so busy getting markets on air, that by the time they come back to counter the congestion the single carriers have they will have lost the respect of their customer base. Do you know anything about installing a wireless network, or are you basing your education off of a Verizon press release and a picture of a cell tower?
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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

midwesttech, a 10MHz LTE carrier has a PHY layer downlink speed of 100mbps. Even accounting for real world less-than-perfect radio conditions, that's a lot of bandwidth. To compare, it's equivalent to FOUR 5MHz "21mbps" HSPA+ (HSDPA Cat 10) carriers. Which are used for voice in addition to data. AT&T's doing great here with two carriers, and running one carrier in rural areas.

Verizon's not doing a "piss-poor" job with LTE because of running a single 10x10 carrier. With 2-4GB caps, I think it's plenty. Remember, there's two ways to add capacity - more carriers/bandwidth or more, smaller cell sites. The 10MHz carrier is very wide also. It's equivalent in capacity to dozens of EVDO carrier (100mbps/3mbps PHY speeds = 33 EVDO carriers).

The issue Verizon has is their LTE site spacing is extremely large... coverage is bad (actually, their site spacing even in CDMA land is really wide, I don't know why Verizon has such a good reputation to be honest... my experience has been the opposite especially indoors and the like). This is good for them because then they can claim they "need" more spectrum (to keep it out of the hands of new competitors) when honestly, they could do fine nationwide with a 10x10 LTE carrier - if they spaced sites much closer together.
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It is a different color now. But you have to be zoomed in pretty close since their LTE coverage is so laughable.
»wireless.att.com/coverageviewer. Last updated May 20th, 2012 - in the future!

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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

Data Coverage Legend
via: »www.att.com/network/

4G LTE (viewable at 120 miles and closer)

Bwahhahahahah!
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Obviously you know nothing about installing an LTE network. Having the backhaul to the tower is only the first step, mounting the remote radio units on the tower (which Verizon does not do, which is why they roll their network out faster, but this will catch up to them in the future...) takes additional time. Hell, even C-Spire could lite up an entire state in a week if they did a piss-poor job of installing their LTE network as Verizon is... Remember the vast outages Verizon has had..?

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What's even more pathetic is that Verizon can light up nearly as many LTE markets as AT&T has in its whole network in a single day.

I'm not impressed at all. Verizon is in DIRE need of a network upgrade. They need to get the LTE job done if they want to maintain their position as a leader in mobile data.

I have both a Verizon iPad and an AT&T iPhone. I'm lucky to break 384kbps on Verizon 3G in Valencia, CA, a suburb of Los Angeles (pop 180,000) where they have not yet rolled out LTE. Browsing is downright painful around here.

On AT&T "faux-G" I'm getting 5+mbps. It's not as nice as Verizon LTE where that's available, but it's definitely acceptable for most purposes.

AT&T can take their time with LTE. Verizon can't.
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Re: LTE Deployment Comparison...

...and Verizon isn't. I'll be bouncing around the US for the next 2.5 weeks (Denver, Raleigh-Durham, everywhere between Austin and West Palm Beach, inclusive) and in most of the populated areas I'll visit I'll have LTE on my iPad, which works amazingly well. Unfortunately I won't be able to compare side-by-side with AT&T coverage...the family's only active T device (Motorola w376) tops out at GPRS.

Now, if AT&T actually had decent SIM-only data plans, I'd test with them too (I have an unlocked HSPA+ 21 modem that supports 850/1900 bands). But they don't.

CaptainRR
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Another thing I noticed with VZW is markets are LTE live weeks before they are even anounced. Verizon is upgrading so fast there coverage maps are a month behind at that.

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I am happy with my V LTE...

Hit 22/3 at one point

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Re: I am happy with my V LTE...

The fastest speed test I've seen with my Bionic is at Toys R Us at the Tyler mall in Riverside, CA, 48/32. It hovered around there through five tests. ...I was bored 'n' standing behind some mean lady yelling at the cashier for whatever reason.
At Wood Rd and Cajalco in Riverside, while tethered (EasyTether, hell yeah), I'll get around 34 - 40mb/s through Astraweb.
Average at home is about 20 - 30.
It's faster than my TWC cable connection. That's saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

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Still Useless

The wonders of LTE should only be extolled when it takes longer than a day to blow through your monthly cap.

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Re: Still Useless

You'll always be able to blow through an LTE data cap in a day, I'm on unlimited for now and with the coverage mapper android app set on continous test I can blow through 2 GB in 30 mins at 30 Mbps down/ 6-8 up lol.
georgeglass5

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So if they're not bearing

a huge load whatsoever as of yet. Whats all the hubbub about congestion & high rates? $20 for unlimited texting? Should be part of data, same sh*t. Senator schumer should beat his drums loudly on this matter.

SHoTTa35

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Not worried about LTE for Data

I get 7.9Mbps just now on AT&T 3G in CT with my SGS2 HSPA+ device. That's plenty fast for me if i'm ever doing anything on the phone. I don't visit full sites on my phone as it makes no sense on such a small screen, mobile sites are plenty more functional or apps if you ask me. Gets me the info I want without all the extra junk that I don't care about. Say going to weather.com for mobile vs desktop gives me tons of extra info on the desktop (and huge ads) that have no use on my phone. The app or even the mobile site just focuses on the data i'm pulling up!

VoLTE however should be nice in that it will all be IP based so voice quality should go up - "HD Voice". I'll be glad once power usage comes down too, for now i'll buy the HSPA+ "only" version of the SGS3 unless the S4 USA version (i'm guessing) shows better battery life promises and I can turn off LTE
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Re: Not worried about LTE for Data

HD voice doesn't actually require LTE levels of bandwidth. Sprint is deploying it on their new 800MHz 1x Advanced carrier...which is pretty much 2.63G (or something like that, definitely not 3G by today's standards).

SysOp

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fastest speeds?

Given I would be using an LTE cell phone and at the most streaming a movie and at the least rendering a webpage, I really don't care.

What I want LTE to do for me is lower the price for data.

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Best LTE is the one that has the most coverage

I live an hour outside of NYC in Central NJ and Verizon has everywhere I go regularly covered, now that they covered the entire shore in the May 17th deployment, for me the best LTE network is the one that offers me coverage virtually everywhere, the northeast US coverage in in particular very good. I don't expect to see AT&T coverage anytime soon, they haven't even gotten to philly yet.

Verizon's just got such a huge head start on coverage and they are still deploying it faster than AT&T is and they are the ones that should be playing catch up.

SysOp

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Re: Best LTE is the one that has the most coverage

+1 for coverage over fastest speed

Early tests were done by a Iphan boi

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Obviously someone was using the Iphone 4G to run these *tests*, right ?

I get very close to 40Mbps down and 15Mbps up on Verizon with a Galaxy Nexus.
Try that on AT&T.

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Verizon LTE Fail!

In Tallahassee, there is a bandwidth problem. The last 4 months were painful... Network cannot handle the rush of students and legislators. My speeds were reduced to subpar 3G even with the LTE icon present.

Things are looking up now since there aren't anyone here for the summer , but when winter comes back, watch out!

CM88rock

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My highest verizon speed

The reason i am on here is to ask anyone of their lte speeds are through the roof as well. I average 20 to 37 mbps down, and 10 to 16 upload speeds. The highest recorded speed was 41mbps down. I live in Upland CA. Not too far from L.A. but does that mean everybody in between me and L.A. has such amazing speeds???

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