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| Re: Roaming :) Canadian cell phone plans sure can roam in Cuba. I didn't bring my T-Mobile SIM card to check 
Calling out of Cuba and into Cuba is phenomenally expensive ($1+/minute). The reasoning is that it's used to raise revenue for the government, basically a tax on incoming and outgoing calls. Cubans are generally too poor to call out, so it's a way of getting their foreign relatives to fund the regime with every phone call in they make.
I really don't see AT&T and these other companies making much of a change. Euro-based cell providers have built the network there anyway, it's not like only Americans can build these networks.
The costs are high not due to inefficiencies, but high tariffs. | |
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join:2005-02-28
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| It's even better then that, all the companies that do business there will bend over backwards to please the great Cuban Overlords. Look at what they do in China to do business there.
Granted, the economy won't be as large there, but I have heard some say it could become the Las Vegas of the East Coast. When, not if, it opens to Americans, look for a lot of money to be poured into that island. | |
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Wilmington, DE | Re: Roaming :) Havana was Las Vegas before Las Vegas was Las Vegas. I have a friend whose family lost millions when they government shut down their families casino after the revolution. | |
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tiger72
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clubs: | There's a slight difference between a developing nation of 1.2 billion people, and a 3rd world country with a couple million... And yes, Cuba was Vegas before Vegas was Vegas. | |
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join:2002-12-04
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| Good idea. I think it is a great idea, if the Cuban gov't will go for it. I have no ties to Cuba but would like to visit. Maybe you can change something by interacting with it. So.... Verizon and their Fios product would be great for Cuba's internet consumer. The big question is, can Cubans afford it? Will the gov't allow this to happen? If things play out well, I could see Cuba becoming a wealthy little nation with a high standard of living. | |
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| Re: Good idea. said by jjeffeory  :I think it is a great idea, if the Cuban gov't will go for it. I have no ties to Cuba but would like to visit. If you have no relatives in Cuba(to level of 2nd cousin) the rules on visiting Cuba aren't changed yet. The new rules only apply to those with relatives.
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by jjeffeory :I think it is a great idea, if the Cuban gov't will go for it. I have no ties to Cuba but would like to visit. If you have no relatives in Cuba(to level of 2nd cousin) the rules on visiting Cuba aren't changed yet. The new rules only apply to those with relatives. AWESOME, so as these Cubans enter Cuba they will be checked against a defectors list and be jailed..IN CUBA..Great IDEA!!!!!NOT
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by jjeffeory :I think it is a great idea, if the Cuban gov't will go for it. I have no ties to Cuba but would like to visit. If you have no relatives in Cuba(to level of 2nd cousin) the rules on visiting Cuba aren't changed yet. The new rules only apply to those with relatives. Damn, so much for my vacation in Havana.
I don't know if every American will be able to visit Cuba eventually, but right now I find this a bit discriminatory. | |
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| Re: Good idea. Trust me, you CAN visit Cuba if you want to. BUT, do not take a flight from Europe or Canada. They WILL report you to the US. However, the easiest way is through cancun. It's only about a 45 minute flight, and only about $300 round trip. Be sure to buy the ticket with cash, there are 2 flights a day. Cuba will not stamp your passport (they give you a little card), and the fascist pigs in US customs will never find out.
Now, having said that, cuba is NOT a 'tourist' place. The hotels have no hot water, food is 'bland', and transportation is dodgy at best. I would recommend a tour, something like GAP adventures works well, cuba colonial was 15 days. the CUC is traded at airport 1 to 1 dollars, but you can get 3-1 on the street. American money works fine, but be sure to have some tourist dollars just in case.
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| Re: Good idea. said by karlmarx :Trust me, you CAN visit Cuba if you want to. BUT, do not take a flight from Europe or Canada. They WILL report you to the US. However, the easiest way is through cancun. It's only about a 45 minute flight, and only about $300 round trip. Be sure to buy the ticket with cash, there are 2 flights a day. Cuba will not stamp your passport (they give you a little card), and the fascist pigs in US customs will never find out. Now, having said that, cuba is NOT a 'tourist' place. The hotels have no hot water, food is 'bland', and transportation is dodgy at best. I would recommend a tour, something like GAP adventures works well, cuba colonial was 15 days. the CUC is traded at airport 1 to 1 dollars, but you can get 3-1 on the street. American money works fine, but be sure to have some tourist dollars just in case. Wow, i had no idea. I always wanted to go to Cuba.
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| said by jazzlady :Damn, so much for my vacation in Havana. I don't know if every American will be able to visit Cuba eventually, but right now I find this a bit discriminatory. I am contacting the Bureau of Citizen Affairs to have you denaturalized and placed in Guantanamo Bay. | |
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tiger72
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| said by patcat88 :said by jazzlady :Damn, so much for my vacation in Havana. I don't know if every American will be able to visit Cuba eventually, but right now I find this a bit discriminatory. I am contacting the Bureau of Citizen Affairs to have you denaturalized and placed in Guantanamo Bay. Ahh yes. The only legal way for a majority of Americans to go to Cuba...
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Rural land of the rising sun
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| said by jazzlady :said by GOLFnSUN :said by jjeffeory :I think it is a great idea, if the Cuban gov't will go for it. I have no ties to Cuba but would like to visit. If you have no relatives in Cuba(to level of 2nd cousin) the rules on visiting Cuba aren't changed yet. The new rules only apply to those with relatives. Damn, so much for my vacation in Havana. I don't know if every American will be able to visit Cuba eventually, but right now I find this a bit discriminatory. Just fly to Canada then to Cuba. You do realize that the USA is basically the only country in the world that doesn't fly to Cube.  | |
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA | Re: Good idea. Canada DOES report US citizens traveling to Cuba, so don't do that. | |
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join:2002-10-06
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| You can get them now, just not entirely "legally".
I know someone who purchases Cuban cigars regularly. Won't go into specifics but they don't come into the U.S. directly from Cuba. They go through a proxy country first. . .
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| said by hayabusa3303 :If att and vz can play on cuba does that mean we get there cigars again? Only if they are by an American Tobacco company, anything else would violate American Imperialism. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| Re: im guessing here said by patcat88 :Only if they are by an American Tobacco company, anything else would violate American Imperialism. Nope, adults can legally buy tobacco (assuming U.S. taxes have been paid) from just about any country except Cuba in the U. S. of A. Not much of a market though since most of the world can't grow the cancer causing stuff as well as the U.S. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Why not... Canadians have been able to do so I don't think its a big issue. Fidel isn't in good health, and I can't say much for his brother.
Lets see if Cuba wants to work with the U.S. though.
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Currently it's like A dollar a minute for a decent connection | |
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| wtf i thought us policy was no cooperation on trade agreements until the political prisoners were freed?
what happned to core pricipals from the 1960s? out the window? most of them are quite old anyhow, there's not much they can do to cuba these days.
it's long past time for cuba to come back into the non-communist fold.. not sure verizon and at&t are the way to go in getting there... try mcdonalds & coca-cola first. | |
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| Re: wtf It might be a big secret, but you can actually buy real Coca-Cola in Cuba. One was from Mexico, another one was for "Distribution in Taiwan and Somalia". Yes, I had a hard time trying to figure that one out, but that's what it said.
The local Tukola (or was it Tucola?) isn't that bad.
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The USA is supposed to pick a stance and then never ever change it. | |
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| many countries already roam in Cuba I know that the Canadian GSM carriers have roamed in Cuba for a while. You need a 900mhz phone for it as Cuba used the international frequencies, not the "different" american ones (which Canada was basically forced to adopt).
It should be no problem for AT&T as well as T-Mobile and the other GSM carriers in the USA to negotiate roaming agreements with the cuban network. | |
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No Fear
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New Jersey | Re: many countries already roam in Cuba In regards to frequency many Central and South American country use "north america freq plan", there arent unique to the US or Canada. Check out gsmworld.com and learn something. Most of the Carribean is tri-band. 800/1800/1900 | |
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| two things for you to think A) my dad vacationed in cuba last year
B)and then also in florida very recently
so tell me how that affects you.
Canada has been friendly to Cuba for a long time. This has shown the USA that yu can do business and vacation and the universe isn't gonna end.
Stop war mongering and start trying ot be nice, IT WORKS. | |
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St. Ides Heaven
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| Re: two things for you to think said by chronoss2009 :A) my dad vacationed in cuba last year B)and then also in florida very recently so tell me how that affects you. Canada has been friendly to Cuba for a long time. This has shown the USA that yu can do business and vacation and the universe isn't gonna end. Stop war mongering and start trying ot be nice, IT WORKS. Tell it to the people in power not us buddy..
I never had an issue with Cuba.
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Bronx, NY | Re: two things for you to think The idea behind the so called "EMBARGO" is to strangle the regimes economy. Has it worked for the past 50 years?: Absolutely NOT!. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: two things for you to think What was it they say again... "If ya can't beat 'em join 'em?" | |
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As for the embargo i think it is rubbish. Just because we don't agree with their government or way of life is a dumb reason to block americans from travelling there. Punishment just doesn't work. It makes us look like a bunch of dumb, ugly childish redheaded step children of the world (which sometimes we are). | |
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