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West Henrietta, NY | LOL. Copyright matters?
I thought that copyright matters. |
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kudos:1 | Re: LOL. Copyright matters? Don't you know the Copyright Czars are immune to copyright themselves?! They can do anything they want. | |
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join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY | Even more laughs:
They talk about how families will starve if you don't pay for your music, and then they go out and find No-Fee music to use in their video.
At least it was with permission; I guess. | |
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| Re: LOL. Copyright matters? So, basically, do as we say, not as we do.
Now I do know that Kevin MacLeon has his music on the web for "free" (as I have used his music for commercial (non-profit) video before), and the only requirement is to give "credit" to him for using his music.
However, I am sure he never intended his music to be scooped up for free by the RIAA to be used in an anti-piracy video.
Why would the RIAA/MIAA not enrich some artist? Why wouldn't they say "we paid this artist(s) to use his/her music"
Hypocrites. | |
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| | | To think these people will likely grow up into the folks that get all verbal and defensive because their 'carefully articulated' analogies of copyright to stealing peoples' shovels can't get past if somebody decides to simply sell that shovel they purchased to somebody else after its used or how re-transmission of OVA TV is 'free' to listeners.
I'm sure tenured teachers will happily avoid posting this jargon to their students. | |
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|  japPremium
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038xx | Ha! That is a bitter irony surely lost on these self proclaimed "educators".
God but I do increasingly loath the arrogant disconnect of the power elite. | |
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Perrysville, OH | Re: Ahh... the memories! Wow!...Just Wow! | |
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| cramerPremium
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kudos:7 | It's just as lame and stupid today as it was then. | |
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join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ | New DARE program The new D.A.R.E. program? Song Abuse Resistance Education. Don't sing Happy Birthday anymore since that will land you in jail FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!! No more Twinkle Twinkle or A B C D .....
Do not hum that song or play that song over and over again in your head as you will be violating copyright.
Where does it end???
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1 recommendation | Re: New DARE program No.. It's C.A.R.E. now (Copyright Abuse Resistance Education).
Of course, corporations abuse copyright all the time and get away with it. | |
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| | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by Simba7:No.. It's C.A.R.E. now (Copyright Abuse Resistance Education).
Of course, corporations abuse copyright all the time and get away with it.
And that is what bothers me, The same people who would sue me for torrenting a movie have no moral issues stealing photographs for their advertising efforts. And they know stealing stuff from someone's DeviantArt page will not hurt them because they know its impossible for some hobby artist to afford to challenge their legal department.
And I will not even bring up how guilty Disney is of exploiting Public Domain works while doing their best to kill public domain to protect their rodent's copyright term length.
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Independence, OH | Re: New DARE program Yup they only do because they know they can get away with it. | |
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Milford, CT | Re: It will never end. It will be soon. That's the next thing they'll ask the US government for. And once they have it in the US, they'll push to make that the standard world-wide. | |
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| Re: It will never end. said by Joe12345678:what about stuff that is still copyrighted but not sold anymore or stuff that has been lost in a sea of buyouts and mergers. Doesn't matter! Copyrights must be protected at all costs!!! | |
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they'll push to make that the standard world-wide.
The world is a big place, and there are places where people have not heard that you can actually buy software. They can make the "rules" but it wont stop anyone from copying anything. If they actually work with netflix etc instead, people will actually try to buy their products.
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| The video makes a good point First off, I used to be a professional photographer and writer so I know about copyright infringement first hand. The copyright laws that are on the books helped me win a couple judgements. So I am not unbiased when it comes to copyright.
After watching this video, I have to say that the video makes a good point. Anyone who has a family member who works in the music field is going to be more sensitive to copyright of music than those who don't. Same goes for software. In my case, same goes for my writing and photography. Should kids know about copyright? Absolutely. Are there repercussions to copyright infringement? Absolutely. It may not be the loss of your parents job, but it may be a civil case against you if you are caught. Kids should know this.
I was expecting this video to be more extreme propaganda, and instead, I saw a pretty realistic depiction of the result of copyright. Do music artists, especially independent ones, lose out on a sale when people pirate their work? Yes they do. I know an independent band that has sales of their album on their website. Their album is only $5 to download it in high quality format, but their music is also traded online. They realize that its free advertising, but with their album changing hands thousands of times, they realize that some people are using pirating as a way to avoid paying for their work.
Do companies have a risk of layoffs when their software is pirated? Yes they do. Case in point, I have a friend who develops software. There is a free trial, and he deployed keys to those who bought the software. Some of these keys and keygens were released on the internet, and now there are more people who have pirated his software than those who have bought it. Do those equate to lost sales? Absolutely.
I guess the point of this video is to show there are repercussions to pirating software, music, and movies. That much is very true.
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1 recommendation | Re: The video makes a good point You haven't exactly proven that someone pirating is a lost sale or causes layoffs. You've only shown that piracy occurs. For your case in point, were there layoffs or not? Anyways, I think it DOES lead to some lost sales and some gained sales, but that's just speculation.
Did you know that people will pirate free software? It doesn't make sense, but they do, and it's not leading to lost sales. | |
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2 recommendations | Re: The video makes a good point said by axus:You haven't exactly proven that someone pirating is a lost sale or causes layoffs. You've only shown that piracy occurs. For your case in point, were there layoffs or not? Anyways, I think it DOES lead to some lost sales and some gained sales, but that's just speculation.
Did you know that people will pirate free software? It doesn't make sense, but they do, and it's not leading to lost sales.
I think we can both agree that there is no solid data one way or the other that shows lost sales are a result in piracy. We can only go off of what we have seen or experienced. I know first hand of many people who pirate games, software, music, and movies with the intent of not buying the product but to own it and not spend money. I am sure you know of people who do the same or similar things.
For my case in point, the software developer knows that piracy costs him money and affects his decisions to hire people or spend more time on the software. I think you could equate that to having a negative effect.
I guess the point is that there are lost sales out there. How much is really unknown and difficult to quantify. Just because we don't know doesn't justify piracy.
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kudos:9 | Re: The video makes a good point said by Nightfall:I guess the point is that there are lost sales out there. How much is really unknown and difficult to quantify. Just because we don't know doesn't justify piracy. I have not pirated a single track of RIAA produced music. Yet I have caused them a reduction in their revenues: I spend about 90% less than I used to spend on their crap. If it isn't worth buying, it certainly isn't worth "stealing".
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kudos:1 | If I download Photoshop, a $700 piece of software that I had absolutely no intention of ever buying, to remove red-eye from a photo does that count as a lost sale? Have I done anything wrong? | |
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Yes. There is plenty of free software out there to do photo editing. Downloading Photoshop to do that without paying is both wrong and illegal. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: The video makes a good point said by [dont pirate :]Yes. There is plenty of free software out there to do photo editing. Downloading Photoshop to do that without paying is both wrong and illegal. Certainly a violation of copyright law but how is it wrong? If there is no 'lost sale' how has Adobe lost anything? Does the fact that there are other free tools available make one bit of difference? | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by CXM_Splicer:If I download Photoshop, a $700 piece of software that I had absolutely no intention of ever buying, to remove red-eye from a photo does that count as a lost sale? Have I done anything wrong?
This is why for years Adobe never chased home pirates. But also now why they have made their software cloud based. Though the cloud based is more so they can extort businesses than to prevent piracy because before a business would buy a PS license and not upgrade for years.
Thing is Adobe and Autodesk secretly love piracy because it keeps software like GIMP and Blender from ever becoming professional tools. By not really lashing out against private home piracy and making cheap student editions for colleges they force the working world to have to use their products at full cost licenses.
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kudos:1 | Re: The video makes a good point said by Kearnstd:...they force the working world to have to use their products at full cost licenses. Bill Gates partially attributes the success of Windows to the exact same principal. | |
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| I sell a few programs online and I created a torrent for one on TPB.
I still make some decent scratch selling it.
Oh, and it is free on DSLR under software.
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join:2012-11-24 | Re: The video makes a good point What is your software? I'm interested.
Never mind found it. ;P | |
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|  jmn1207Premium
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kudos:1 | said by Nightfall:Do those equate to lost sales? Absolutely. Probably, but not absolutely.
There are other reasons behind why a consumer would choose to pirate a product other than simply looking to get something for free. Availability, DRM, limited features, or format type are just a few I can name right away.
Until someone can provide some accurate stats showing the percentage of pirated material that would have been purchased if the pirating resources were completely eliminated, we can only assume that some sales are being lost, but we don't know for certain. Who is to say that a pirate would not simply go without the product if it could not be obtained through piracy?
It could be that there are benefits as well. Pirates are reportedly some of the biggest spenders of similar products they pirate.
I realize there are specific scenarios where piracy has had a disastrous impact on some companies or products (ex. Blockbuster in Spain), but this is not something that is true for every circumstance, and it might be a relatively rare problem.
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1 recommendation | Suffering Betamax psychosis. Ever since the Supreme court declared home taping legal the RIAA and MPAA went Psycho. In their managements deranged minds both industries pundits claimed most of their revenue was lost due to home taping. When their claims of losses were put under the microscope they were found to be feces. The RIAA's best friend was vinyl whether LP or 45 because records wore out.
Compact Discs not so much, although the RIAA were able to force consumers to pay $20.00 for a CD containing many undesirable tracks in order to get one desired track.
The MPAA eventually loved the VCR because it produced a low resolution image and could incorporate copyright protection.
DRM made it impossible for consumers to transfer their legally purchased music to someone else when they got tired of listening to a song, which of course the RIAA loved. The object of the copyright holders is to infect children's minds with propaganda rather than facts. | |
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kudos:3 | BS! wait so the kids are already dumb as shit the public school system is broken and now we're using that system to teach them to bow down before their corporate masters. I mean nobody sees anything wrong with this crap? Man the US is so forked. | |
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El Paso, TX | WTF? Suddenly i feel creationism in schools isn't that bad compared to this...
And that's as bad as it gets for "education" these days. | |
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That would have been bad? | |
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| | Lesser of RIAA's other evils I read through all of those aforementioned PDF's in the article and it's kind of like reading the Rules of the Road when learning to drive a car: it's all basic common sense. Wouldn't you rather see the RIAA try to "brainwash" our kids instead of suing them or coaxing the government to implement filters or other intentional network degradations? One could argue it's similar to those 1990's PSA's that desperately tried to convince viewers our brains would turn into a fried egg if we smoked marijuana. lol.
An occasional 20 minute long lesson about copyright education seems palatable when thinking about all the other tactics the RIAA has tried that dominated this website's news section for the last 10 years. | |
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El Paso, TX | Re: Lesser of RIAA's other evils No... This has no place in a school. Now, if you want your kids to learn about copyright so badly, why don't you teach them yourself? or pay for private classes so they can learn all the RIAA wants? | |
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| Ascap Asks Royalties From Girl Scouts, and Regrets It This story appeared in the New York Times in 1996. It demonstrates the parasitic nature of the music industry.
See Link: »www.nytimes.com/1996/12/17/nyreg···l&src=pm
ASCAP demanded payment from the Girl Scouts of America for singing copyrighted songs around their campfires. ASCAP contended such singing was a performance. | |
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Those idiots have wasted so much time and effort on getting absolutely nothing accomplished, that it's ridiculous!
I know though, it's hard to fix stupid!!
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