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Comcast, AT&T go into damage control mode...
(old news - 02:02PM Thursday Mar 26 2009)
tags: legal · Fileswapping · business · AT&T U-Verse · AT&T Southeast · AT&T Midwest
Yesterday it was broadly reported that AT&T is already testing a new system of warning and scolding AT&T customers who have been transmitting pirated material. While the entertainment industry has been pushing ISPs to terminate the service of repeat offenders via some kind of "graduated response" (aka "three strikes) program, AT&T tells us that they're not yet ready to sign off on such an idea. As of right now, Cox Communications is the only ISP to have admitted to such a plan, something we discussed last August.

We will never suspend, terminate or sanction any customer without some sort of legal process, like a court order.
-AT&T
Both AT&T and Comcast are making the rounds to media outlets after yesterday's story, insisting that they've yet to sign off on any three strikes plan. AT&T tells us this early test simply alerts users of a copyright claim against them. "This is a trial about customer education and deterrence," AT&T spokesman Seth Bloom tells me. "Therefore we are not suspending or terminating our customers’ service," he says.

Bloom stresses this is just one of several tests designed to see the impact of the warnings. AT&T executives have long argued that just notifying customers that they were breaking the law (at least based on RIAA/MPAA evidence) would be enough to deter users from using P2P. "In forwarding the notices, we do not make any accusation of wrongdoing, or assume illegal activity," AT&T says. Though we've yet to see a copy of the notices, some level of naughtiness must be inferred, lest the customers simply ignore the warning.

Bloom cites a recent study in the UK (we covered last year) that states 70% of users stop illegal downloading after first notification and 90% stop after the 2nd notification. He goes on to frame the test as a sort of community service. "Our experience has been that the majority of our customers stop the questionable behavior," says Bloom. "Some have even contacted us to thank us for the notifications because they were unaware of the illegal downloading." We're guessing he's referring to parents.

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AT&T's chief policy guy Jim Cicconi took things a little bit farther in terms of damage control, by telling USAToday that any suggestion that there is a deal between AT&T and the RIAA "is just bogus." "We will never suspend, terminate or sanction any customer without some sort of legal process, like a court order," says Cicconi. "That's been our policy for years and that's not going to change."

Will AT&T stick to that promise? Broadband users have been receiving forwarded DMCA copyright violation warnings from ISPs for most of this decade. Those notices have done little to deter piracy, because users ultimately realized that they could be ignored. ISPs didn't act on the notices, and other than a few thousand RIAA lawsuits, most of the complaints weren't acted upon by copyright holders.

AT&T may be thinking that warnings, in conjunction with their planned piracy filters, may be enough to keep P2P use under control. AT&T and Comcast's hesitance on this front indicates they're sensitive to the public relations fallout of being linked to the RIAA. It also means they're aware of the multitude of problems with the RIAA's three strikes plan, including a lack of transparency, unreliable evidence, little recourse for the falsely accused, the high price incurred by ISPs (particularly small ones), and the issue of tracking repeat offenders across multiple ISPs.

The question now becomes whether the entertainment industry will be able to convince Uncle Sam to pass a mandatory three strikes law and force ISPs to comply with their wishes. You probably shouldn't rule that out, given the high number of entertainment-industry lawyers that are joining the new administration's Justice Department.

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Thievery should not be tolerated!

These types of criminal behavior have gone on for way too long. Time for a some real enforcement...

I don't steal music, cable, wifi, movies, etc. Seeing people do it openly is a slap in the face of all the law abating citizens who have to pay more because of crooks.

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Re: Thievery should not be tolerated!

Agreed, but the inherent problem is, that for years and years and years, musicians/actors have made millions for doing, what the public percieves as little to no work. Do you remember harmony house where a 9 track CD was 18.99? And that was in 1997.

The entertainment industry has gouged customers for years. Until these get significantly cheaper, people will still continue to pirate.

Not that i agree with stealing, and I was a HUGE fan of Napster (T3 connection freshman year of college in 2000, when napster was at its height), but why would anyone pay 20 bucks for a CD that they only like 1 song on?

All I am saying is, the music/movie business needs to transform their business model to adapt to changing technologies significantly faster than they already are. Its nice to be able to download via itunes, but DRM is making life miserable.

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Re: Thievery should not be tolerated!

I agree with your point about a business model change. Personally, the extortion tactics employed by the RIAA have led to my refusal to buy CDs.
But I do think theres truth in pieces of their argument. Unfortunately, they kill those truths by not paying the artists that they're supposed defending. With that being said....I would like to know just how they plan to differentiate file transfers from RIAA artists to independant labels that encourage this without the use of DRM.
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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

These types of criminal behavior have gone on for way too long. Time for a some real enforcement...

I don't steal music, cable, wifi, movies, etc. Seeing people do it openly is a slap in the face of all the law abating citizens who have to pay more because of crooks.
Good for you, have a Coke and a smile. What do you want a medal?

And by the way, maybe you should check the words you use. Law abating?

transitive verb
1 a: to put an end to b: nullify 1
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Re: Thievery should not be tolerated!

I saw that too. Gave me a good chuckle.
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Re: Thievery should not be tolerated!

He doesn't follow the law of good grammar. lol

Am' I missing something here? Should the RIAA not be paying the ISP's for their time and work? I mean, if I come to you to enforce payment from someone who owes me money, don't you want a cut?
Why does the RIAA think that they can force someone else to do their dirty work? They should be paying the ISP's for everything they are asking them to do, not to mention how this will hurt the image of said ISP.

The whole music industry needs to be re-done, however... I still see a lot of musicians making way more money than the average hard working North American. Not saying it's right to take music like this, but, it's easy, cheap and much more available to the 10-16 year old kids who don't have a lot of pocket money. Of course they are going to take the easy way out, the music industry needs to find a way to compete with that.

My two cents...
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said by ptrowski See Profile :

And by the way, maybe you should check the words you use. Law abating?

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If only you practiced what you preached!

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Re: Thievery should not be tolerated!

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

And by the way, maybe you should check the words you use. Law abating?

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If only you practiced what you preached!
Don't get mad at me, chief. For someone who has such a solid stance against pirating works I would have thought that you would have used the correct word, not one that has the opposite meaning.

Way to go, at least you got your "Thieves stink" as the first post, even if you did contradict yourself.
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Re: Thievery should not be tolerated!

He is wrong on that account as well. It is not thievery, but copyright infringement.

To continue to call it that demonstrates an inability to think beyond parroting the usual media cartel propaganda.

And calling it that is assuming that the doctrine of a download equalling a lost sale holds true. When in fact this has been proven false.
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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

These types of criminal behavior have gone on for way too long. Time for a some real enforcement...

I don't steal music, cable, wifi, movies, etc. Seeing people do it openly is a slap in the face of all the law abating citizens who have to pay more because of crooks.
O give me a fucking break. The RIAA and MPAA is robbing you blindly and its not because of p2p downloader's or Usenet. Have you even bothered to look at the price of a case of blank cds/dvds, compared to the cost of one CD soundtrack at retail? Or a DVD/Bluray movie?

Not to mention the tactics the RIAA uses. Anybody can get these, so its not a "slap in the face"

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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

These types of criminal behavior have gone on for way too long. Time for a some real enforcement...

I don't steal music, cable, wifi, movies, etc. Seeing people do it openly is a slap in the face of all the law abating citizens who have to pay more because of crooks.
Yeah. That must be it. It must have nothing to do with anime not being held to the greatness that it is considered in Japan.

Here is a screen shot of an anime I seed with frequency. I updated my key to the torrent so it is shows only a small amount seeded.

How are fans suppose to see this anime that was released years and years ago in Japan but not in the USA or anywhere else if it is not for fansubs? MAGIC?

I find it hard to believe things like this can be considered illegal. It is supply being nonexistent when there is demand. How are you paying more for a product that is not in physical stores or online stores? Magic again?

Get off your erroneous thinking.

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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

These types of criminal behavior have gone on for way too long. Time for a some real enforcement...

I don't steal music, cable, wifi, movies, etc. Seeing people do it openly is a slap in the face of all the law abating citizens who have to pay more because of crooks.
And the ISPs may be testing internal procedures in the likely event that Congress(dominated by pols funded by Hollywood types) passes a 3 strike law in some form.
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Hurray. Another Ninjatutle successful troll on the issue of piracy. I think we've had this "conversation" already. Time for some troll abating.

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Court order, but...

We will never suspend, terminate or sanction any customer without some sort of legal process, like a court order.
-AT&T
... but, we reserve the right to process any information you send over our network for wiretaps and implicit opt-in personalized advertising campaigns.
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Re: Court order, but...

Source? Or are you just thread crapping?

I've been a customer for almost 9 years now through three different incarnations and I have yet to hear of anyone being booted off for file trading or even running servers for that matter. In this case I believe him.
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Re: Court order, but...

This may all be talk to avoid the appearance of being 3rd party accomplices.

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again

let's start the copyright vs stealing argument again...

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Re: again

said by anon2 :

let's start the copyright vs stealing argument again...
There are those blind followers who do not see the flaws with a law and will worship any law like ninjatutle up there. This is an argument that cannot easily end.

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Re: again

said by Aozora See Profile :

said by anon2 :

let's start the copyright vs stealing argument again...
There are those blind followers who do not see the flaws with a law and will worship any law like ninjatutle up there. This is an argument that cannot easily end.
Either that or the people who believe in copyright infringement have had their work illegally distributed over the internet for free and are losing potential sales because of it.
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scary stuff

So they send a FUD email. Of course in some cases it might accomplish something, but overall probably not much will come of this.
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They better not

Shouldn't ISP be just ISP? I don't think ISPs want to go this path themselves. I think the problem is congress that are happily fed by the entertainment industry to pass laws that only benefit their own business model. In fact, ISPs should protest and appeal any laws like this. I mean if they have to boot people off, that means less customer for them, thus less monthly payment going to their pocket.

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?

Up to $12.00(or even more) dollars for a CD? No thanks!
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p2p will never stop

Psh, you'll probably get a lot of people to stop but p2p Will NEVER stop. I for one hate P2P because most files are yes illegal, but a lot of them contain viruses/worms etc. So yeah just to point out, and im sure everyone knows that P2P will never stop.
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hate em or love em, make up your mind!

so teleco's hate P2P users because they use enormous amounts of Bandwidth. Take actions such as throttling, capping, etc because of them, but refuse to discontinue service of such users...

I WONDER WHY $$$$$$$$$$$ because they make a friggin killing from those users, which proves caps, throttling, etc. is nothing more than a cash grab.
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Hopefully they find a way to target a list

If they have false positives on material that is intended for free distribution, there will be a lot of complaints. ISPs are in the best position to see what is going on with their network, if they can't get it right then nobody can.

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Why are they even looking.

An ISP provides an internet connection and has no business spying on users. The only reason ISPs are doing this is because the same setup that allows them to check for copyrighted files can be used to spy on and classify all traffic.

We all lose our rights just so the RIAA can have an easier time winning lawsuits against less than .00001% of the population?

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Justification?

I can understand the outrage of paying $15+ for a CD with one good song. That tactic led to the huge rap boom as the artists and record labels played it up big time. It enraged me and led to me downloading a CD before buying it because I had 50 or so CDs that were utterly crap aside from the released single.

However, that is no longer the case. There are a myriad of ways to purchase legal music, all of them now DRM free. So what is the justification for downloading music illegally when you can get a song for $.99 and the whole CD for $9.99 or less ... DRM free?

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said by Matt See Profile :

So what is the justification for downloading music illegally when you can get a song for $.99 and the whole CD for $9.99 or less ... DRM free?
Did you forget what its like being college poor?
Plus you will always people unwilling to actually save and pay for what they want!

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said by Matt See Profile :

I can understand the outrage of paying $15+ for a CD with one good song. That tactic led to the huge rap boom as the artists and record labels played it up big time. It enraged me and led to me downloading a CD before buying it because I had 50 or so CDs that were utterly crap aside from the released single.

However, that is no longer the case. There are a myriad of ways to purchase legal music, all of them now DRM free. So what is the justification for downloading music illegally when you can get a song for $.99 and the whole CD for $9.99 or less ... DRM free?
Its all about money now. Why spend money on music when you can get it for free? Why buy that game when you can get it for free? There is no real justification for it now other than being too damn cheap.

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Re: Justification?

said by Nightfall See Profile :

There is no real justification for it now other than being too damn cheap.
Or a thief.

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said by Matt See Profile :

However, that is no longer the case. There are a myriad of ways to purchase legal music, all of them now DRM free. So what is the justification for downloading music illegally when you can get a song for $.99 and the whole CD for $9.99 or less ... DRM free?
The RIAA screwed themselves on this one. They took so long to allow the sale of DRM free music online at a reasonable price that they were beat out handily by their sole competitor in that area: P2P. I remember looking forward to going to the record store every week and buying 2 or 3 new cassettes (and later CD's). New release tuesday and the occasional midnight madness sale was a special occasion (I still remember the midnight sale for Metallica, Snoop Dogg's first album and a million other artists). It was so much a part of the culture that I didn't give a second thought to dropping my hard earned cash for a shiny new disc, even if it meant I got the occasional dud.

But record companies took their typical response to new technology ("Call the lawyers! Let's sue the pants off of the bastards!") and in doing so missed an opportunity from which P2P has seen unprecedented success. I could understand this happening once, but this happens every time some advancement in technology comes about. Radio, 8 track, cassette, CD's, internet. Each medium has been mistreated and feared by the RIAA and each brought great success once finally adopted. Ever hear the saying "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it"?

The **AA's never realized that they can't drive the market, they can only react to it.
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Re: Justification?

I think you're missing the point. The RIAA did miss the market, and they're still missing the market. The price of songs is still too high.

I just finished playing Star Ocean: The Last Hope, which took me 78 hours to complete and cost $60. For a price of 76 cents per hour, I got interactivity, video, and music. Instead, I could have watched The Dark Knight, which cost around $30 on blu-ray, which provides 10 hrs (movie + special features) of video and music (but no interactivity) at $3/hr. Or, I could listen to RIAA hit singles, which provide new entertainment at 99 cents for a four minute song, at a total price of $15/hr.

Why would I ever want to buy music, or even movies, for that matter, when games provide a far better deal? With each level of entertainment, you're paying more and getting less. Star Ocean even includes hours worth of music performed by a symphony orchestra - whereas I could instead have spent my money on similar quality music that has no visuals or interactivity and costs 20 times more.

I don't buy music because I don't value it at 99 cents per song, and they will have to lower the price considerably before I reconsider.

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said by quintin3265 See Profile :

I think you're missing the point. The RIAA did miss the market, and they're still missing the market. The price of songs is still too high.

I just finished playing Star Ocean: The Last Hope, which took me 78 hours to complete and cost $60. For a price of 76 cents per hour, I got interactivity, video, and music. Instead, I could have watched The Dark Knight, which cost around $30 on blu-ray, which provides 10 hrs (movie + special features) of video and music (but no interactivity) at $3/hr. Or, I could listen to RIAA hit singles, which provide new entertainment at 99 cents for a four minute song, at a total price of $15/hr.

Why would I ever want to buy music, or even movies, for that matter, when games provide a far better deal? With each level of entertainment, you're paying more and getting less. Star Ocean even includes hours worth of music performed by a symphony orchestra - whereas I could instead have spent my money on similar quality music that has no visuals or interactivity and costs 20 times more.

I don't buy music because I don't value it at 99 cents per song, and they will have to lower the price considerably before I reconsider.
Choosing not to buy is fine by me.

Choosing not to buy but download anyway is not.

Boycotting has been around for a long time, and in this case, the people who are speaking out with their wallets are not doing so with their downloading activities. Imagine how much REAL progress would have been made if people stopped buying, but also downloading at the same time. The RIAA and MPAA would have caved. Instead, you have people who believe they can (and will) save money by not spending on these products and downloading at will.
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Re: Justification?

It seems to me that, if you buy the RIAA's argument, boycotting without downloading is the same as boycotting with downloading, because either way the RIAA receives no money (according to them). I'm confused as to why you say there would be any difference in effect if people stopped downloading.

Anyway, this argument over how much damage is actually caused by downloading has been hashed out enough here and everywhere. I don't really care about what happens to the RIAA because their prices are still too high. Maybe other people value music at $15/hr, but I certainly won't pay that much.

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said by quintin3265 See Profile :

It seems to me that, if you buy the RIAA's argument, boycotting without downloading is the same as boycotting with downloading, because either way the RIAA receives no money (according to them). I'm confused as to why you say there would be any difference in effect if people stopped downloading.

Anyway, this argument over how much damage is actually caused by downloading has been hashed out enough here and everywhere. I don't really care about what happens to the RIAA because their prices are still too high. Maybe other people value music at $15/hr, but I certainly won't pay that much.
Its very simple.

If no one is buying or downloading, the RIAA would have seen that there is no activity going on with their products. As it is today, the RIAA can claim copyright infringement due to the fact that a lot of their product is being distributed illegally over P2P networks. Their product does have a demand attached to it and as it stands, if the product is free, its in heavy demand.

I suppose the whole argument that the music industry hasn't put anything out that is worth a damn in the last year really isn't accurate. If that was the case, no one would be downloading at all.

As it stands today, the RIAA sees the demand and is willing to do what it takes to squash that free delivery method. Its obvious that there is a pretty good amount of monetary damage going on here. As you said, it has been hashed out enough here and everywhere.

The point is simply this. Consumers should be boycotting the RIAA. They shouldn't be saying they are boycotting them, but downloading freely. A boycott the right way means to be not purchasing or using any of their products at all. The whole "Robin Hood" mentality really doesn't help matters.
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Too high? $1 is too high for a song?

What do you think is a good price? Or perhaps they should pay you to download a song?

Head for the soup kitchen. Maybe they'll play the song while you get some free grub.

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Policy is not legally binding - subject to change and terms

"We will never suspend, terminate or sanction any customer without some sort of legal process, like a court order," says Cicconi. "That's been our policy for years and that's not going to change."

How many 'Policies' are legally binding, and how many 'change' in the middle of the night, or have clauses.

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Re: Policy is not legally binding - subject to change and terms

Or, better yet, they notify you, but the only "out" is to cancel the service and get "out" of the commitment you may have made for service.

So either way, you're disconnected. Either for cause (they disconnected you for the new policy) or because you cancelled because you didn't agree to the new AUP.

How handy

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Re: Policy is not legally binding - subject to change and terms

Exactly. Opt out = no service
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I just don't get this

Just from a pure money making business perspective... Why would a compmany side with, collaborate, or do business with any organization that wants to sue/disconnect it's customers? Are they looking for less revenue? Do they have too many customers?

This completely boggles my mind.

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said by djeremy See Profile :

Just from a pure money making business perspective... Why would a compmany side with, collaborate, or do business with any organization that wants to sue/disconnect it's customers? Are they looking for less revenue? Do they have too many customers?

This completely boggles my mind.
It's business, so it is simple.

The ISP's are either afraid they will lose money, or they stand to make money. That means they are either being threatened by the RIAA or the RIAA will be working with the ISP to somehow make some money, perhaps with future exclusive content or some other proposed value-added service.
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P2P

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Re: P2P

This is a good/relative point.

I google a topic, and oftentimes, the 'hit' doesn't even have the search item in the page; it has another link. IF (and 'SINCE' it may be soon that) I'm paying by meter, I've just been stolen from.

And sometimes it's a good 'hit'. Filled with junk, that I DON'T want, and am paying for. More 'theft'???

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See also »www.comcastvoices.com/2009/03/a-···ght.html
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Thanks I was just going to post that now that I got home.

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Manitowoc, WI

3 strikes and Your out

What happens when everyone uses up there 3 strikes? They fold the tent up finally and go out of business?

squirrel83
cheers

join:2005-05-02
Missoula, MT

yeahhh

Yeah but will filter them to a cretin extent
R62006

join:2006-05-03
Jacksonville, FL

Re: yeahhh

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Lilolefrog

join:2009-04-19

To Share or Not to Share?

An artist has the right to profit from their work, therefore they have the right to sell their work to those who choose to purchase the merchandise. A radio station is usually granted permission in some form to promote the artists music on the air waves. The radio station profits from playing the music. As a listener, one is not charged to listen to the radio, it is free to listen to the music. If a friend buys an album and allows a friend to listen to the album, even hold the album in their possession, there is no fee required to listen to the music. The listener of the music has not profited nor infringed on the artist's rights. To share music is not a crime! P2P is file sharing! The only people that should be prosecuted are the ones who profit monetarily from the sale of the music. If P2P (file sharing) is illegal then the internet and computers should be outlawed because we are all guilty of sharing some form of file in today's modern technological society! Every time you load a web page you're sharing a file. Tracking my computer should be illegal, it is my personal computer!!
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