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| Re: WOW said by tlylework :I think it is awesome the double standard here. If your a person on food stamps or welfare your a worthless, lazy drain on society. If you are a large corporation who gets handouts for something you every actually do or accomplish you've earned it.... Dang them all to heck, worthless poor people.
Wasn't welfare-style "handouts" they got. Nothing different than your tax deductions on your tax forms when you file your income tax. Do those deductions you claim make you a "worthless drain on society?
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Hurley, MS | Re: WOW said by NormanS:said by tlylework :I think it is awesome the double standard here. If your a person on food stamps or welfare your a worthless, lazy drain on society. If you are a large corporation who gets handouts for something you every actually do or accomplish you've earned it.... Dang them all to heck, worthless poor people.
Wasn't welfare-style "handouts" they got. Nothing different than your tax deductions on your tax forms when you file your income tax. Do those deductions you claim make you a "worthless drain on society? Why is a tax deduction any less of a government handout than welfare? | |
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| Re: WOW said by brandon:Why is a tax deduction any less of a government handout than welfare?
Dunno. But everybody who files taxes claims them. So why is John Q. Public, who claims deductions on his taxes, not also considered a "lazy, worthless bum" for taking them?
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kudos:1 | Re: WOW Don't know either, but then I wouldn't consider someone on welfare a lazy worthless bum for taking it. Of course, the glaring difference here is who can afford it the most. | |
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| | | | | Because a tax deduction is a reduction in the amount of taxes paid while a handout is getting something that you never paid.
USF is a government handout. | |
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USF isn't even a tax. It is neither collected, nor distributed by an agency with powers of taxation.
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| | | | | | | Re: WOW said by NormanS:said by sides14:USF is a government handout.
USF isn't even a tax. It is neither collected, nor distributed by an agency with powers of taxation.
This statement, while technically true (sort of), really doesn't matter. It was meant to be a tax but was lobbied into oblivion and the end result is a private tax that telco's can collect under the advertised price and distribute or not distribute as they see fit ( again, sort of ).
A third party is supposed to distribute the funds. This third party as you can imagine is anything but.
And as far as I can tell this revenue is completely a write off. In many respects its worse than a tax. | |
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| Re: WOW said by DataRiker:And as far as I can tell this revenue is completely a write off. In many respects its worse than a tax.
Indeed. But people keep returning the same Corporate lap dogs to the U.S. Congress.
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| | | | | "Why is a tax deduction any less of a government handout than welfare?"
Seriously? You don't see a difference in paying less taxes out of YOUR income and recieving a handout from the government? I'm guessing you are a Obama supporter? | |
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| | | | | | Re: WOW said by Sam1212 :"Why is a tax deduction any less of a government handout than welfare?"
Seriously? You don't see a difference in paying less taxes out of YOUR income and recieving a handout from the government? I'm guessing you are a Obama supporter?
The general premise of a corporation was to give up liability in exchange for higher taxes and oversight.
ATT just got millions back on a tax refund while paying zero in.
The US practices "corporatism" which is not to be mistaken with capitalism. | |
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| Re: Migrate Forcing them over is silly. Any repairs that come in , sure, then "force" them over. But to spend money converting them, and resulting in lost customers is a bad move. Its not hurting anyone to leave them where they are. Their copper line may not need repair for another 20 years, and its costing AT&T nothing to leave it AS IS. | |
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Volunteer basis resulting in higher prices to access Uverse? Sure. Migrations due to repairs? Sure. I just dont agree with the whole "force" idea. | |
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Palm Desert, CA | said by ITALIAN926:I understand what youre saying. But any customers still using DSL/POTS is pure profit for AT&T until they are in need of maintenance. Leave them where they are until a repair arises.
Volunteer basis resulting in higher prices to access Uverse? Sure. Migrations due to repairs? Sure. I just dont agree with the whole "force" idea.
You guys think that old DSL/POTS Plant and Equipment is all paid for and just collecting Profits. That's far from the truth, Old Equipment takes more maintenance and uses more space in the C.O.. As for the Old Copper Plant, you guys forget, but AT&T still needs it for U-Verse. That's why I think AT&T just wants to dump all this mess. Maybe somebody like Frontier or another near sited Company is willing to take all these headaches. AT&T would just like to dump all this Old Stuff and start fresh. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Migrate said by alchav: AT&T would just like to dump all this Old Stuff and start fresh. The taxpayers helped fund some of that old stuff. The old stuff is more reliable in many cases for consumers then the new stuff.
Phone companies are still considered PUBLIC UTILITIES. They are suppose to serve the public good NOT just the bottom line.
POTS are still more reliable the VoIP.
U-verse was a bad idea for AT&T, it doesn't have a good future. They should have gone full fiber like Verizon did.
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@sbcglobal.net | Re: Migrate All go fiber? Rigggghhht.....another noob who just spits out nonsense. Yeah don't bother using that copper, just tear up every neighborhood in the world and place fiber because...u know ...it's so cheap to do that. uverse is doing fine, you may want to learn about how xdsl works before u start blabbing that old rhetoric. | |
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Santa Clara, CA | Re: Migrate said by Huh :All go fiber? Rigggghhht.....another noob who just spits out nonsense. Yeah don't bother using that copper, just tear up every neighborhood in the world and place fiber because...u know ...it's so cheap to do that.
Yes it is.
Industrial cities have no trouble installing underground fiber using directional drilling and existing utilities.
Nothing is torn up.
Anti technology banana republic ATT morons cannot grasp that. | |
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@mycingular.net | Re: Migrate Yes and that is also expensive....again, uverse tv is fiber to the node. The copper portion of uverse video service is only 300 to 5000 feet from that node. That work was already done. VDSL2 is a more than adequate technology to provide you plenty of bandwidth for the services you desire. In the next few years even more so. | |
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Santa Clara, CA | Re: Migrate said by Huh :Yes and that is also expensive....again, uverse tv is fiber to the node. The copper portion of uverse video service is only 300 to 5000 feet from that node. That work was already done. VDSL2 is a more than adequate technology to provide you plenty of bandwidth for the services you desire. In the next few years even more so.
Well in developed cities it costs about $60/mo for a 100/10M connection, and that includes tv and voice.
Funded by long term bonds.
ATT was already paid for fiber, which never materialized.
And try accessing cloud services over xdsl at 5000ft. | |
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@mycingular.net | Re: Migrate Please tell us about these developed and industrial cities.... I am guessing that Miami where i live is not one....show us some rate plans and don't try to even talk about europe because they are no better, been there. Which AT&T fiber are u talking about? When u say AT&t was paid for fiber? Which fiber... For Uverse. Think again, divestiture was in 1982. Accessing cloud services? Are u constantly uploading gigs of data to the cloud? This is in bursts at best in consumer models with most residential costumers not having an issue with 1-3 Meg's a second uploads. I agree this will increase over time, but still is completely doable with VDSL. Next set of Band plans will have additional upstream capability. | |
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Palm Desert, CA | said by public:said by Huh :All go fiber? Rigggghhht.....another noob who just spits out nonsense. Yeah don't bother using that copper, just tear up every neighborhood in the world and place fiber because...u know ...it's so cheap to do that.
Yes it is. Industrial cities have no trouble installing underground fiber using directional drilling and existing utilities. Nothing is torn up. Anti technology banana republic ATT morons cannot grasp that. I'm not saying AT&T should pull out the Copper and put in Fiber, I think that Ship sailed a long time ago, and you throw in the PUC it's a no win solution. That's why getting rid of the Traditional Public Telephone Network sounds so good. Then AT&T could concentrate on their Wireless and Backbone Networks. | |
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| said by ITALIAN926:Forcing them over is silly. Any repairs that come in , sure, then "force" them over. But to spend money converting them, and resulting in lost customers is a bad move. Its not hurting anyone to leave them where they are. Their copper line may not need repair for another 20 years, and its costing AT&T nothing to leave it AS IS.
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| | | said by brianiscool:Time to force them over to new technology.
What new "comparable" technology? (for those whose only option is DSL, please don't even mention capped LTE or Satellite). | |
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| | LTE-Advanced LTE-Advanced, a minor upgrade from LTE offering max speeds of 1Gb/500mb, should be ubiquitous in 5 years. In 10 years, children in rural areas will be asking their parents about those 'funny' poles along the roadway. | |
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| | | Re: LTE-Advanced Well no, since power will still be run on them. And LTE will be far from ubiquitous; you'll run into the same ROI problems and it's estimated it will actually reach less areas than POTS does today. | |
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LTE-A only reaches those speeds with lots of spectrum, to a few users, with great signal characteristics. That isn't gonna happen on anyone's network in the US. | |
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join:2001-12-30
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kudos:1 | Gotta Love AT&T The company is currently paying a dividend of 4.64%. You can't touch that in any financial institution.
They are definitely doing something right. | |
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| | | Re: Gotta Love AT&T Yes, they're screwing every living thing they come in contact with, buying Congress, fielding a middle-of-the road if not crap product, offering low quality support, and are generally seen as one of the least ethical companies around. Good job. | |
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West Henrietta, NY | said by Lone Wolf:The company is currently paying a dividend of 4.64%.
That 4.64% dividend doesn't sound so great if the value of your shares goes down by 5% | |
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Run baby, run! |
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| Corporations hate regulation. The AT&T and Verizon want to get rid of copper because service provided by copper still has some regulation. They have also scammed American citizens by taking Universal Service funds all these years and now wanting to abandon the service that we paid for. If AT&T and Verizon want to discontinue universal service they should be required to return all universal service funds collected to current and past subscribers. | |
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| Spin-off Like I said yesterday, if they really wanted out of the wireline business, they'd split the company like Motorola went from one company and is now two, trading publicly under two separate symbols.
Given the fact they have not split the company, they don't really want out of the wireline business. The real issue is they want to use cheaper (non-union) sources of labor to maintain wireline assets.
What I don't understand is why people keep DSL because it has become the 21st century version of dial-up. Why should I pay Verizon for their exhorbinant rates ($65 a month just for phone) when I can add Internet and phone to my cable bill for not much more money than what I'd pay for cable alone. DSL is 1.5/768 where my cable modem is 50/10. Cable modem is the only true broadband in our area (although AT&T has U-Verse just south of the border in Connecticut, which is a 15 minute drive from where I live). Too bad AT&T would not buy out Verizon's Western Massachusetts wireline assets so the could expand their U-Verse offerings into the Pioneer Valley (Springfield/Holyoke MA area which is the same urban cluster the Enfield, CT is in, which has U-Verse). Somers, CT has a huge prison complex for the CT DOC and many of the corrections officers live in the Springfield/Holyoke (MA) area.
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Paducah, KY | AT&T DSL I have the 6/512 plan they offer, and am quite happy with it. Perhaps a touch pricey if you compare raw speeds and price to that of my one other option, Comcast. But, and it's a big but, Comcast was crap here. When I left them, they had the 6/2 plan with speedboost, or whatever it was called. Anytime it stormed, they went down. They would go for months, with apparently an overloaded node, or something, and speeds were horrendous about 12 hours a day. There always seemed to be an "issue" with Comcast. I had them for 10 years or so. in 1.5 years with DSL, never had to call once. It's been down only one time, just a couple of hours, when there was a major fiber cut somewhere. It's steady as a rock, it's never down. And, in fact, they just upgraded the CO box at the end of the street over the past 1.5 years, which first allowed DSL to come to our neighborhood. So, I'm not sure what AT&T is considering at this point. But for now, even though I don't have 'blazing speeds'. I have a very good internet service. | |
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Vista, CA | Re: AT&T DSL I have to agree, i had SBC/ATT DSL for about 10-11 years (about 5-6 different locations) it's been ROCK solid with less than a couple times of being down down. Uveres (and comcast cable) SUCKS in reliability next to DSL. plus you are stuck with 2 or 3 (P.O.S) gateways from ATT with no 3rd party option. i have had Uverse in 3 locations (reliability SUCKED/'s) and Comcast is just plain SHIIIIT anywhere i had them (3 different locations also). the latest fad is not always the best regardless the way you make it out to be!!!!! | |
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| | Pretty sure Frontier would be happy with AT&T's DSL subs I'd have to disagree with the Frontier comment. People in rural areas are chomping at the bit to get a hold of their services now that they took over all of the DSL infrastructure. Frontier can't get their DSLAMs filled as fast as the subscribers pouring in. Even though it might only be 1.5mbps it blows away dial-up, satellite, or local WISP connections. There are no 4G options period. (And likely won't be for a while either) | |
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| | DSL Fate France and some other Europeans upgraded DSL facilities years ago, and made piles of money. ATT is just a plutocrat monopoly who want it all, without giving anything in return, or even keeping the promises they made for vast state & federal subsidies. GIMME!
If they want to dump DSL, and not replace it with fiber, then get the money back first! | |
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| | What about IPDSLAM? Will IPDSLAM go to? If so this is the only option I have in my small town charter said they will never offer services other than TV here! | |
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| | Frontier? Who want to lay bets they try to sell to Frontier? | |
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| | | Re: Frontier? Frontier wont have the money to handle 20 million people, not a chance | |
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| | is this just rural markets or all dsl markets? I don't even live in that small of a city and we don't even have uverse. Plenty of smaller towns have uverse and we don't.
I'm still trying to understand what happens to markets that have AT&T with hundreds of thousands of customers and no uverse in sight. | |
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| | | Re: is this just rural markets or all dsl markets? All DSL markets, which some one said is about 20 million people
what happens to those people would be questionable, AT&T may keep the thousands in the area depending on pop going, but the rest well..
if your in a area of a 100 or so, I would be worried about the decision that AT&T makes (start looking to see if any other provider of service is around) In my town of about 20,000 people theirs very few people with AT&T DSL, we have no choice for uverse but we do have suddenlink in town, my guess in my town they will shut it down to due to not having enought people on it, and would start telling people go to suddenlink
if you have a cable provider in your area more than likely AT&T will shut down in your area to
AT&T wont be shutting down uverse at all | |
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| price hikes.. AT&T forgot the last secret weapon.. price hikes..
Bad service, take a price hike-- afterall a new year is coming..
I so would love for AT&T to charge more so consumers will actally write congress to do something about the nasty duopoly status which is anti-consumer..
When grandma has to write her congress person for a $75 POTS phone line that's not maintained properly.. maybe this will spur AT&T to do the right thing and upgrade some more.. or get out of the way for someone who will..
I'm curious.. do AT&T and Verizon still actively lobby against other companies coming in to build a network?!? The way they've wholesale written off copper networks & landline you'd think that was the case.. someone look into it.. | |
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| | | Re: price hikes.. said by tmc8080:AT&T forgot the last secret weapon.. price hikes..
Bad service, take a price hike-- afterall a new year is coming..
I so would love for AT&T to charge more so consumers will actally write congress to do something about the nasty duopoly status which is anti-consumer..
When grandma has to write her congress person for a $75 POTS phone line that's not maintained properly.. maybe this will spur AT&T to do the right thing and upgrade some more.. or get out of the way for someone who will..
I'm curious.. do AT&T and Verizon still actively lobby against other companies coming in to build a network?!? The way they've wholesale written off copper networks & landline you'd think that was the case.. someone look into it..
They do still lobby against other companies, which is ironic to, their is no reason for them to but they do it anyway guess its to show they are true duopolies I would guess the only reason they do this is for the furture 4G, but the problem is people aren't gonna pay a arm and leg for 2 gigs of data or even 10, satellite looks better for those people compared to AT&T and Verizon at that point , that's one of the things I noticed with the shared plans is that it looks like they try to price data like Satellite hoping to make extra... except satellite is getting cheaper and AT&T and Verizon wont | |
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Camden, TN | A lot of whining over nothing A) will at&t abandon OTS and DSL? Sure EVENTUALLY. In the next 5 years? Nope.
B) Someone will see value in POTS and DSL and buy up at&t infrastuture. I'm sure at&t would rather get something for it than nothing.
C) We're already to the point where fewer and fewer rely on POTS lines anymore. Just imagine 10 years from now.
I suspect many of those lamenting this don't even use POTS lines anymore. Juts like the ones that lament the dying of pay phones yet haven't used one in years. I think it's more of a nostalgia thing. Yeah it sucked when we stop using the telegraph but time and technology advances. | |
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| | | Re: A lot of whining over nothing said by BF69:A) will at&t abandon OTS and DSL? Sure EVENTUALLY. In the next 5 years? Nope.
B) Someone will see value in POTS and DSL and buy up at&t infrastuture. I'm sure at&t would rather get something for it than nothing.
C) We're already to the point where fewer and fewer rely on POTS lines anymore. Just imagine 10 years from now.
I suspect many of those lamenting this don't even use POTS lines anymore. Juts like the ones that lament the dying of pay phones yet haven't used one in years. I think it's more of a nostalgia thing. Yeah it sucked when we stop using the telegraph but time and technology advances.
not sure about that, sure at&t might want to get something for it..
10 years from now at this rate DSL will still be their.. reasons why I say this is due to no infrastructure upgrades in rural areas... DO NOT SAY 4G is the answer that's a lie and most of us know that, the only thing rural areas have going for them is satellite and thankfully that has changed a lot over the last 4 years, I would hope 4G would answer the problem but its unlikely at this rate, and since states aren't allowed to have community networks then pretty much rural area is left out of the equation | |
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| | | | Re: A lot of whining over nothing Keeping up DSL is really pretty easy, if somewhat expensive: Keep the trucks rolling & keep paying the people who know how to fix the problems. Instead, the bonus warriors reach out with both hands (conveniently forgetting the decades of subsidies they got) yelling GIMME! And crying that maintaining DSL is too expensive, and crying poor-mouth about fiber.
The FCC/regulators/guvmint morons are like the traffic cop who wants to please everybody by turning all the traffic lights red or green at the same time. That system will never work, obviously. But those MBA's that are supposed to know better, just pony up more money (campaign contributions!!) and keep yelling.
If the decades of subsidies had to be even partially paid back, the bonus warriors would find a way lickety-split! | |
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Madera, CA | What define un-upgraded? Is it a neighborhood that just have DSL and no U-verse or is it a neighborhood who has U-verse but no TV and no phone, what is un-upgraded? I wouldn't ask a stupid question if this wasn't about ATT, but we all know how ATT likes to define words, such as for example 2 months, which is more likely defines several years. | |
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Madera, CA | Re: What define un-upgraded? Just checked to see what I could get out of curiosity, the highest I can get is 3 Megs. | |
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Also, U-Verse's availability is rather limited, even in the towns that have it. Block by block you can or can not get it. | |
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Are you out of your mind? You want to the govt coming to your business and telling you what you have to do? Liberals | |
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| LTE It is not the answer. The answer is competition in rural America. The answer is making sure every single person who needs a phone that works 24/7/365 is served whether AT&T likes it or not.
AT&T no longer serves rural America as it once did. County-wide, little towns, miles of crops between cities, is not served well by digital telephony. It does not work well with 911. It does not work well with Lifeline type services. It does not work well with home security services? Why? Because it drops calls as much and sometimes more than cell phones. If the cellphone does not work well, how in the hell does the a telephone company expect to do any better than POTS?
Digital is not the answer. It just does not work! When digital is down so is the police, fire, EMS and hospital. In 60 years I never lived in a town where POTS ever had that problem.
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I noticed it. It's their magic trick to divert peoples' attention from what is happening. That is why they are doing it. It is stupid and smart really. | |
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Vallejo, CA | pots and dsl Well I have pots and dsl for over 15 years and the speed was fine and the only reason upgrading to uverse is the data cap.
our dsl line has been steady at 5.2 down and 624 up day in and day out and for the price is well worth it.
we really don't use cell phones a lot and the pots line with 24/7 unlimited calling is much much cheaper then cell and the data plans are a joke . | |
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