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AT&T Will Pay TiVo $215 Million for Patent Violation
TiVo Expects Similar Payout From Verizon
by Karl Bode 09:15AM Wednesday Jan 04 2012
AT&T Has become the latest tv provider to pony up cash for violating TiVo's DVR patents. The company this week announced that they'll be paying TiVo at least $215 million through June 2018, roughly $59.72 for each of AT&T's 3.6 million U-Verse TV subscribers. The first $51 million was paid by AT&T yesterday, with another $20 million due in the first year and quarterly payments each quarter after after that. TiVO says that they're pursuing a similar case against Verizon that should net them a similar payout. The company settled to the tune of $500 million with Dish Network

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DaveDude
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Tivo we sue not innovate

Tivo has not produced a exceptional product yet. There only means of revenue is lawsuits.
desarollo

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Monroe, MI

Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

As measured by what?

They continue to have one of the better DVR interfaces, they have done a reasonable job of resisting the temptation to turn that interface into a tiny sliver of information surrounded by advertising and landmine clicks (such as Comcast's, which scrolls over pay-per-view options on every screen) and their recent release is at least partly multi-threaded so it can take advantage of the dual-core processor in the latest units.

Yes, they are slow to roll out releases and they may no longer be on the cutting edge of software. But then, how much cutting edge is there in a DVR? Where are they going to go? 3D menus? MPEG-4? Most of the cutting edge has been interfacing to tiny screens, which incidentally they have a fairly decent iPad and iPhone app.
25139889

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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

where is multi-room viewing at???
cramer
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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

Tivo's don't stream content from system to system, they copy it. The Directv "Whole Home" MRV system is DTV patented. You won't see anyone else doing that without paying DTV. Even the new DTV Tivo doesn't support it.
desarollo

join:2011-10-01
Monroe, MI

Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

That will be hard to defend. Tivo has had access to the files over HTTP for a lot longer.

Prior art within the basic transport of DTV's system.

More likely, a license swap. DTV is already paying Tivo.
cramer
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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

You *really* don't understand patents. "the web" is not prior art.

The Tivo is designed to play from a hard drive. Only in the last few years have they put any effort into making the ethernet side fast(er) and efficient. But they're still pretty heavily wired for disk based playback.

woody7
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just before the "at"
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cramer
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Have you used a modern Tivo? They've been embedding ads all over the place for a long time... Tivo Central has an ad at the bottom, there's an ad at the "delete now" screen at the end of every recording, there's an ad at the end of every Now Playing group, and TivoMatic(tm) popup ads during commercials have been around for almost as long as Tivo. ('tho I've not seen one in a long time.)

And the new DTV box, in grid guide mode, should have ads in the guide data -- just like DTV's crap UI.
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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

thats odd I only get ads in the tivo central screen , and on commercials or shows if I want more info about it, its always a non intrusive hit the green thumbs up if you want to record or more info about this product.

Maybe im blessed ?
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desarollo

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Monroe, MI
said by cramer:

Have you used a modern Tivo? They've been embedding ads all over the place for a long time... Tivo Central has an ad at the bottom, there's an ad at the "delete now" screen at the end of every recording, there's an ad at the end of every Now Playing group, and TivoMatic(tm) popup ads during commercials have been around for almost as long as Tivo. ('tho I've not seen one in a long time.)

And the new DTV box, in grid guide mode, should have ads in the guide data -- just like DTV's crap UI.

As I said, they resisted the temptation to clutter the interface as bad as Comcast, which as an awful user experience. I firmly believe that since I pay a fee, I should see no ads. But where they have them isn't that intrusive.

axiomatic

join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
You're loco.

Tivo's product is still better than any DVR product on the market. There is not a single other DVR product that does conflict resolution better than Tivo does. And please don't cite that new DirectTV DVR. My friend has it and he complains weekly that it reboots all the time.

Tivo's biggest detractor is the monthly service fee.
mlcarson

join:2001-09-20
Los Alamos, NM

Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

The current Dish DVR's are better. I'm using a VIP722 and don't miss my Tivo HDDVR at all. I did however miss the PIP of the 722 when going back to a Tivo at my parent's house.
cramer
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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

The new HD GUI (tivo premere) does PIP, but I cannot stand it. PIP wastes 25% of the screen that I'm not going to pay attention to in the first place. "But it's something I want to see..." It's a DVR you stupid f***, press pause or *gosh* record.

[and the worst part is they've only done about 5% of the thing in HD. Enable the HDUI and a few features/functions are simply gone. And many menus go right back to the classic interface.]
ackman

join:2000-10-04
Atlanta, GA
Respectfully, you're nuts. I have ATT Uverse, the DVR is slow and feature lacking. Back when I had analog cable and a Tivo box, years ago, the Tivo was amazingly agile, feature laden, and easy to use.

KrK
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A lot of Patent abuse going around these days.

Morac
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said by DaveDude:

Tivo has not produced a exceptional product yet. There only means of revenue is lawsuits.

Considering TiVo added 117,000 subscribers in Q3 last year, I'd have to say both your sentences are false.
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DaveDude
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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

They still cant turn a profit, granted comcast and Tivo are in deadlock due to patent infringement.

Morac
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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

said by DaveDude:

They still cant turn a profit, granted comcast and Tivo are in deadlock due to patent infringement.

I'm not sure where you heard that, but TiVo and Comcast are definitely not in deadlock with each other. TiVo and Comcast are actually partners.

»www.tivo.com/products/source/cab···dex.html
»www.comcast.com/tivo/?SCRedirect=true

Also Comcast is currently in trials to provide their VOD library to TiVo Premiere subscribers and will soon install TiVo Premieres to customers who request them.

»www.engadget.com/2011/05/09/comc···-dvrs-a/
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DaveDude
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Re: Tivo we sue not innovate

Right because why would Tivo sue comcast when they are business partners , once that breaks. Who knows if they will pursue it.

firephoto
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Obvious tech

It must be nice to live in a land where anything can be patented.

Recording video that is digital or can be converted to digital onto a device that was designed to record things digitally. And replaying that content digitally in a way that is common for any content of that type if it is digital which includes pausing, skipping forward or backward a set amount of time based on the hardcoded timing within the digital content.

That's what happens when the idiots that are elected put in like minded or lesser minded people to important positions in the government. Surrounding themselves with people that make them look better.

And ultimately it is what happens when people don't bother to use their minds for some extra or new thoughts and instead just take everything they see or hear as the truth and ultimately just concede that it's "the way it is" like good sheeple.
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KrK
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Re: Obvious tech

said by firephoto:

It must be nice to live in a land where anything can be patented.

My favorite is when you don't even invent anything, just copy work other people have done, and despite the prior art and complete obviousness, you are granted a patent anyway because you make a cosmetic change or for a generic application.

Such as adding "to an electronic device" to the end. Crazy!
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IPPlanMan
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More money out of the LTE fund...

That's more money out of the LTE fund....

By the way, whatever happened your December rollout of LTE in NYC that you talked about?

»mashable.com/2011/12/07/att-4g-lte-nyc/

AT&T LTE is stuck at 15 cities...
Verizon has LTE in at least 190 cities...

Pathetic.
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25139889

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Re: More money out of the LTE fund...

Mobility operate on its own. Sorry.

djrobx
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I'm confused...

Isn't the AT&T DVR using Microsoft Mediaroom? Why is AT&T paying, not Microsoft?

Patents should have shorter lifespans. TiVo was great back in the day. They had a genuine invention, but now they don't need to innovate and the patent just serves to obstruct future innovation.
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sparks

join:2001-07-08
Little Rock, AR

Re: I'm confused...

chump change.
They should have to shut down them and dish until they paid not let them keep on stealing.

They will probably be in congress next week buying some senators off so that it will be against the law for anyone to sue them not just us low rent sorry pos customers.

KrK
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Re: I'm confused...

I agree they should have never paid Tivo to keep on stealing.
Rekrul

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Patents...

I just thought I'd post a heads up...

I'm planning to file a patent for a system that uses electrical impulses to stimulate the movement of air into and out of an organic container.

Starting next week, you'll all have to buy a license from me if you want to keep breathing.

Hey, it makes as much sense as any of several hundred other patents that have been granted...

dontliketivo

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Tivo's great if

you don't mind having a completely worthless box should you decide to quit subscribing.

You purchase the box, why can't you fully use it IF you chose not to subscribe to their WAY over priced guide.

I never understood that.
fiberguy
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Re: Tivo's great if

I'm with you... yet mindless sheeple have been doing it for years.

I get it.. if you are required to pay for access to the guide, so be it! But absence of the guide I should still be able to pause, rewind, etc. live TV. And I should be able to set manual recordings like a VCR. You should not be required to have to pay a subscription to use something you "own"...