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AT&T and T-Mobile Share Networks in Sandy Aftermath
Strike Roaming Arrangement to Improve Communications
by Karl Bode 10:16AM Thursday Nov 01 2012 Tipped by FFH See Profile
AT&T and T-Mobile have announced that the two companies have struck an arrangement to share networks in New York and New Jersey in order to help in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. "AT&T and T-Mobile have entered into an agreement to enable roaming on their networks to customers of both companies in the heavily impacted areas and where capacity is available and for subscribers with a compatible device," says the announcement. "AT&T and T-Mobile customers will be able to place calls just as they normally would, but their calls will be carried by whichever network is most operational in their area. This will be seamless for AT&T and T-Mobile customers with no change to their current rate plans or service agreements even if the phone indicates the device is attached to the other carrier’s network."

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morbo
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Which carrier does this benefit more?

This is great PR move for both companies, but does it help one company much more than the other? If so, which one?
Gami00

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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

it's only for the areas where the storm took out towers, and now have a 1 week to 2 month waiting period to get back up and running depending on power and other damages.

most likely, it helps ATT more, if they had more towers in that area, but realistically, it helps them both about the same..

if this was nation wide, I could see this helping Tmobile more, but since it only affects 2/3 places, it's not a big deal on "who it helps out more".

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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

I'm from central NJ / jerseyshore and in reality both networks were decimated right after the storm, I have a t-mobile personal phone and an AT&T work phone, neither phone worked in my area for 24 hours after the storm passed. cell towers even when they came back were running on generators at low power with only small islands of cell phone service that went up and down and that I had to drive to to make a phone call.

Still no power over their, I left for West NJ to the parents who have power. Both networks equally need the help right now.
T-mobile and AT&T coverage is generally very good in NJ.
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Probably not a PR move, more like Governor Christie insisting that they make it happen.

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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

said by Network Guy:

Probably not a PR move, more like Governor Christie insisting that they make it happen.

Good point. Until the FCC mandates this type of cooperation in cases of disaster, these at will agreements will probably be more common.

JigglyWiggly

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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

I thought they could already roam on each others network?
Beans5

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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

Att has a strong network in the northeast so it would mostly be att dominate.
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Roaming between the two companies depends on the area. If TMO has native coverage in that area then no. The same as with AT&T. All depends on the market/city/zip.

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They used too quite extensively in upstate New York, especially in the I-86/NY-17 corridor from Sullivan County (formerly Dobson Communications before AT&T gobbled them up) up to Steuben County. Then T-Mobile went native and the roaming agreement ended.
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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

said by n2jtx:

They used too quite extensively in upstate New York, especially in the I-86/NY-17 corridor from Sullivan County (formerly Dobson Communications before AT&T gobbled them up) up to Steuben County. Then T-Mobile went native and the roaming agreement ended.

Which is happening right now in wisconsin. They now have native coverage in green bay. And the at&t coverage is ending.
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said by morbo:

said by Network Guy:

Probably not a PR move, more like Governor Christie insisting that they make it happen.

Good point. Until the FCC mandates this type of cooperation in cases of disaster, these at will agreements will probably be more common.

And is already a normal practice. Happens during all natural disasters and such. This was nothing new. I'm sure it's partly to help, but also party due to if they don't, the FCC will mandate it.
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said by morbo:

This is great PR move for both companies, but does it help one company much more than the other? If so, which one?

And why can't they strike a roaming agreement to do this all the time all over the country? Maybe the FCC or Congress needs to ENCOURAGE the cell companies to do this all the time.
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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

T-mo got some roaming arrangement from the failed merger.

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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

TMO received some roaming agreement yes, but surely you will agree not nearly enough when tracphone can still out cover them. Even just basic talk and txt on all ATT towers where theres no TMO service or roaming agreement currently in place would have been a major win for TMO. Especially since talk and txt are no longer there bread and butter it could be an easy negotiation.

Its a shame when your TMO smartphone goes "emergency only" but the person next to you on tracphone is talking and txting away.

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Re: Which carrier does this benefit more?

This is true. They should do like sprint does with the in-market roaming. That would make T-mo a real competitor in the markets with coverage holes everywhere. Even if just for voice and text.
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It's better for both, as they might work to fill some of the gaps and not look as bad compared to Verizon, who still has 94% of their towers up, presumably many running on diesel.

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Kudos!

Good Job on both companies to have agreed and implemented this so quickly.

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Older phones aren't working

I went to visit some neighbors of my parent's yesterday and they told me they couldn't get cell service where they were with AT&T, yet my AT&T iPhone 4S worked fine there. The difference was they were using older flip phones which I'm guessing were 2G only.
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Re: Older phones aren't working

maybe any towers on backup power will only run the 3g radios? makes sense really as the majority of users have 3g.
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guess

Guess they decided to do this to steal a bit of comcast's thunder for offering free wifi for the next few days..

What ever works I guess, its amazing how fast teleco's can move when its a great PR opportunity involved... I hope at least it helps people in need
m60521

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Amazing!

They should always share towers. Then, maybe both services wouldn't suck.

My Sprint automatically roams to Verizon and US Cell. I have service EVERYWHERE.

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Re: Amazing!

+1

Edit:Although, sometimes when I roam on Verizon my call doesn't go thru and I get a Verizon error message.

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A resounding affirmation for compatible standards

If we had the same standard for all carriers, this would have been even easier.

But of course, Verizon would never agree to anything like that.
tpkatl

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Curious about the results

When they turn it off, I'd be very interested in seeing what the relative percentages are. Will more AT&T users be jumping on T-Mobile towers? Or will it go the other way?

I doubt they will release that sort of statistic.

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Re: Curious about the results

said by tpkatl:

When they turn it off, I'd be very interested in seeing what the relative percentages are. Will more AT&T users be jumping on T-Mobile towers? Or will it go the other way?

I doubt they will release that sort of statistic.

Im in an region where AT&T and T-Mo both have native coverage.
I can confirm that as a T-Mobile customer, I am able to manually select and use AT&T's network to make and receive calls.
I'm in Elmhurst, NY.
I used the HSPA+ spectrum using the Galaxy Nexus. I have to say AT&T network is crap. Signal strength is lower by a few dBm (around -80dBm for AT&T and about -70dBm for T-Mobile) and call quality is much better on the T-Mo network. Data is also slow with pings in the vicinity of 300ms (yes this is still on hspa+) and speeds around 300kbps. Atleast this is giving me a means to test out the att network without actually being on it.
My T-Mo 3g is almost always near 60-80ms latency with about 10mbps download speed.

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Sharing

I don't remember if NY was one of the areas AT&T had to give up frequency to T-moble. The only place I can remember is Chicago. They may be sharing because the turnover has not been completed.

Besides PR keeping the FCC off their case may be the biggest reason as stated above.

Other then in major disaster areas I don't see why the big networks should allow roaming. I can see smaller networks working together but a competitor is a competitor and they need to build their own network and compete on service and price.

I have also seen where AT&T was placing portable towers and charging stations in parks around the city in areas that don't have power.
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I Wonder...

Is this AT&T just thumbing its nose at the FCC as if to say, "We wouldn't have had to share if you wouldn't have stopped our buyout. We told you it would be good for America!"
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Nothing New

Before Cingular acquired AT&T they had no system in NYC. All Cingular customers roamed on T-Mobile when in NYC. (Once in a while T-Mobile would flash up their logo on those Cingular phones, much to the dismay of Cingular.) It is great news that the cross connection was not lost with the formation of at&t. With the conversion of the Metro mobile CDMA system T-Mobile should become an even greater force in NYC.