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AT&T to Close 2G Network By 2017
As Company Starts Using Own Spectrum More Efficiently
by Karl Bode 08:36AM Monday Aug 06 2012
One of the chief criticisms of AT&T's attempted takeover of T-Mobile was the fact that AT&T didn't really need to acquire T-Mobile. The company sits on a wealth of spectrum already, including a significant amount just acquired from Qualcomm. Many noted AT&T wasn't using the spectrum they already owned efficiently, including the company's 2G or EDGE spectrum, which can be re-farmed. Back in March AT&T finally started sending notices to some 2G/EDGE users, informing them they needed to upgrade so AT&T can use that spectrum in their LTE build. Last week, AT&T announced that the company would have their 2G network shut down by 2017. The company says about 8.4 million people, or around 12% of their total subscribers, still use the slower network.

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88615298
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Maybe it would be less than 12%

If at&t would finish building out 3G. Some places still have 2G only. Heck my area JUST NOW got at&t 3G within the last month. Verizon has had it here at least 4 years now and we'll have 4G within the next few months.

Anyway at&t can stop asking for TV spectrum now.

Oh_No
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Re: Maybe it would be less than 12%

Who is actually offering 4G?
I dont think any US carriers actually offer 4G yet.
WhatNow
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Re: Maybe it would be less than 12%

Most of the big and the bigger medium size cites have LTE 4G from Verizon or ATT. Yes a lot of the smaller cities have 3.5G that AT&T is calling 4G.

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said by 88615298:

If at&t would finish building out 3G. Some places still have 2G only...

Actually, some places around here are still "No Service Available", and it would not surprise me to see much of the 2G only area converted to "No Service Available" after AT&T drops 2G coverage.



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Fix 3G/4G coverage before getting rid of 2G

There's about a square mile area near me that's an AT&T dead zone. 3G speeds drop to nearly non-existent speeds and if I go inside a building I switch over to 2G, where I can at least get and receive calls. I've used AT&T's Mark the Spot at that location so many times over the years I've lost count.

Before AT&T gets rid of 2G, they need to make certain that areas which now only work on 2G, work with 3G/4G before killing of 2G.
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silbaco
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Bad idea

At&t is still 2G only in a lot of areas around here.

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what happens in the 2G areas?

I'm fortunate to love in a large metro area and have 4G LTE now and for years have had 3G and almost never dropped to Edge anywhere I went. However, for those suburban and rural areas that only have 2G because AT&T hasn't done anything to those areas, what happens when AT&T flips the switch? If they aren't going to upgrade those areas to at least 3G, do people lose all voice and data service altogether? Giving a 5 year window doesn't seem to fix the problem.

88615298
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Re: what happens in the 2G areas?

said by obeythelaw:

However, for those suburban and rural areas that only have 2G because AT&T hasn't done anything to those areas, what happens when AT&T flips the switch?

Well one would hope that in 4 1/2 years at&t will have upgraded them. If at&t can't accomplish then that says a lot about them.
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Re: what happens in the 2G areas?

My boss lives right in the middle of town, and she has zero coverage in her house and much of her neighborhood. And it isn't a terrain issue, as other carriers work there, and the land around here is fairly flat. It's just that AT&T won't get off their lazy butts and fix it. If they can't do that, I have little confidence that they'll get their EDGE areas converted by 2017. Hell, VZW had 3G here three YEARS before AT&T did. In fact, IIRC, they were the last national carrier to turn it on here. Pathetic.

And I finally found out why U-verse deployment here was so haphazard. There were parts of town with VRAD's in place for years that didn't have service. I happened to talk with a guy who was retired from AT&T, and he said that, yes, the VRAD's were ready, the fiber was ready, but someone had screwed up and never ordered the equipment to go into the CO, which meant that all the stuff deployed was useless. If this were any other company, I wouldn't have believed him, but, given that this is AT&T, it's all too believable.

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Re: what happens in the 2G areas?

said by ISurfTooMuch:

My boss lives right in the middle of town, and she has zero coverage in her house and much of her neighborhood. And it isn't a terrain issue, as other carriers work there, and the land around here is fairly flat. It's just that AT&T won't get off their lazy butts and fix it.

I don't understand why someone would pay and continue to be a customer of a company that provides terrible service in their neighborhood. Has your boss tried Verizon?
ISurfTooMuch

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Re: what happens in the 2G areas?

I don't understand it, either. I wish I could explain it, but I simply can't. And I've told her more times than I can count that she ought to dump them, or, at the very least, bargain for a free femtocell. I know they will give them out because my sister-in-law got three of them, one for my brother's and her house and one each for their two sons.

And she has a Verizon work phone that supposedly gets great service there.

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Because on CDMA networks 3G is just a software upgrade from 1xRTT. 1xRTT was the hardware upgrade from CDMA2000. OTOH in GSM-world 3G UMTS is a hardware upgrade from 2G EDGE, but the HSDPA+ stuff they are calling 4G is just a software upgrade from 3G UMTS.
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When at&t can no longer buy companies...

They will kill themselves with incompetence.
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lazy, and cheap

2g is what alot of gsm voice sits on.. that's basically why they can claim as big a national network as they can to compete with Verizon.. but they don't show you the 3g & 4g layers.. nevertheless, if you have a competitor that serves your area.. leave for greener pastures..

What company wants to spend Billions to colocate a national network w/o a guarantee they can get market share from the big 2 carriers w/o a price war?

Sprint? Tmobile? Metro?
Not many takers on that one..
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Not a problem.. T-mobile will support those older phones..

T-mobile redeployment plan

Proposed Spectrum redeployment

In a nutshell.. T-Mobile is positioning themselves to take over a significant chunk of At&t's former GSM and Iphone customers without paying all those exorbitant fees to Apple.
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Re: Not a problem.. T-mobile will support those older phones..

I dont know what you call a "significant chunk", but it's not like there's a measurable percentage of iPhone users who are on T-Mobile. Do you really think there's a population of any size that knows how to go through the whole jailbreak or unlock process, and is willing to do so?
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Re: Not a problem.. T-mobile will support those older phones..

The refarm applies not only to iPhones but also any unlocked GSM/UMTS handset out there that can use AT&T/world 3G frequencies. Most handsets out there have the capability to use UMTS 850/1900/2100 (the 2100 is typically for European/Asian networks), but very few have the weird 1700 MHz AWS band required for T-mobile USA's uplink frequency on HSPA+ (As far as I know, only T-mobile USA and Wind Mobile in Canada use AWS bands for 3/3.5G.) Once this refarm is complete, pretty much ANY imported HTC/Nokia/Sony Ericsson, as well as probably a bunch of DC-HSPA+ data cards will be able to use T-mobile's HSPA+ network... pretty smart move on their part IMO.
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3G Was the best we had an 3.5G & 4G its all going done hill!

First thing is does anyone remember when Verizon didn't have the iPhone yet? And remember the only thing they had left to hang on to was the new term (LTE) 4G to say it was better than AT&T? And remember that LTE only could surf the web or talk but not both at the same time like AT&T 3G could? Well when all the other companys started going for the LTE market I thought why would AT&T want to be doing this if what they already had was better? To me nowhere in the US has real 4G LTE no matter what it says on your screen, The Only places with true 4G is out of the US and that's why the IPAD changed its advertising in Australia, because what the IPAD was made to work with was the US scam (not real 4G). So in all they cap unlimited so no matter how fast the connection gets in the future it don't mean much and with crapy 4G phones battery life it's not an upgrade it's a downgrade in my book, LTE= LieToEveryone or Will upgrade later in the near future but not now (long term evolution) so they say! So wake up and smell the cow S--t everyone.