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el Camino Real
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CM94sv
| Fingers crossed So far Verizon has been ignoring calls to invade my privacy while using their pipe. Hope it stays that way. I have to like Verizon for some reason you know. 
"Verizon Communications Inc., which has fiercely guarded the privacy of its customers, has refused so far to offer a network anti-piracy tool. It defeated in court the recording industry's demands to reveal names of those allegedly involved in downloading pirated songs."
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Long Beach, CA | I wonder... How much AT&T is getting from Hollywood/RIAA?
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA
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| Re: I wonder... said by hopeflicker  :How much AT&T is getting from Hollywood/RIAA? Better be enough to offset the potential liabilities of throwing away their "common carrier" status...
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
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·Cox HSI
| Re: I wonder... Tell me about it, they are going to be responsible for all the things they don't catch when they step into the role of censor. I really don't think they should be, or that it will be enforced against them, but that's what the law says.
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Nanoprobe
Wandering in subspace
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Orlando, FL
clubs: | Re: I wonder... American Thieves & Thugs has returned. They remind me of malaria. | |
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join:2005-11-26
Birmingham, AL | Oh dear. Time to head back to Charter... | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
|  Do Their Homework First?
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL | This is the last straw If Mediacom ever decides to deploy my home phone and DSL go bye bye. AT&T, I have had enough of your stupid tactics. | |
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Vertickle
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL |  Ut-O
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Vertickle
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL
| Re: Ut-O said by ptrowski :Show me a company that is not aligned with Hollywood. Good luck. Do your own research!  | |
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Pirate515
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Brooklyn, NY
|  Re: Ut-O
said by ptrowski :All the cell phone companies have some ties to Hollywood. Maybe so, but at least they don't openly sell their customers out just because Hollywood says so. IMO, this is a bad business tactic for AT&T, and as Tony Soprano said: "Don't sh*t where you eat."
Apple better start working with other carriers if they want to sell a significant amount of iPhones.
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
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| Re: Ut-O said by Pirate515 :said by ptrowski :All the cell phone companies have some ties to Hollywood. Maybe so, but at least they don't openly sell their customers out just because Hollywood says so. IMO, this is a bad business tactic for AT&T, and as Tony Soprano said: "Don't sh*t where you eat." Apple better start working with other carriers if they want to sell a significant amount of iPhones. That we know about. I am sure it is a matter of time.
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Vertickle
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL
| said by ptrowski :All the cell phone companies have some tie into Hollywood. Not true. We have a local option Corr Wireless that doesn't appear to have ties to Hollywood. I'm sure there are a lot of options for folks sick of the major providers. | |
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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| Re: Ut-O said by Vertickle :said by ptrowski :All the cell phone companies have some tie into Hollywood. Not true. We have a local option Corr Wireless that doesn't appear to have ties to Hollywood. I'm sure there are a lot of options for folks sick of the major providers. Please don't speak on behalf of everyone. That was an ignorant comment. I have access to 2 broadband technologies. DSL (AT&T) or local cable. I am switching to cable. My uncle, who lives about 3 miles from me, has only one: cable.
Sure there is Satelite and dialup. Satalite costs an arm and a leg, and who wants to go back to dialup? Actually we are planning on riding of our telephone soon. We have cell phones, who needs regular phone?
No wireless here that is cheap enough either. | |
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Vertickle
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL | Re: Ut-O Before you start calling people ignorant I'd suggest you comprehend what you're replying to.
I'm not talking about cable/DSL/SAT or even internet. I'm talking about wireless phone services. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | How can they be local? It looks like they resell The New AT&T by looking at their coverage map. They even use the Cingular Orange. | |
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join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL
| Re: Ut-O said by hottboiinnc :How can they be local? It looks like they resell The New AT&T by looking at their coverage map. They even use the Cingular Orange. Local as in they have an office down the street.
Forgive me but I thought it was common knowledge that the small companies commonly resell the major players services. Although at&t would still get some of my money, they wouldn't be getting it straight from me. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Ut-O But thats still supporting the AT&T either directly or not. Part of your monthly service fees still go to them. So there would be no point in changing. But not all small companies resell major players service. They buy smaller networks or build their own. Revol.us built their own network and also bought part of the Cricket network in Ohio, but still expanding as using their own network not someone else's. | |
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join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL | Re: Ut-O I'm not certain that Corr resells at&t service. Just because they use orange doesn't mean they are cingular. They've been around for years and years. | |
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Kyle
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Toledo, OH | Re: Ut-O Their coverage map matches the Cingular Map thats in the Cingular Orange color. | |
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| Interesting. Not a very good way to gain customers. When all their customers get busted and have to cancel there DSL subscription because their 80 year old grandma was downloading a "Free" song that somone offered to them. Soon they won't have anymore customers. LOL | |
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| Maybe time for everyone to switch to Cable..... Not a very good way to gain customers. When all their customers get busted and have to cancel there DSL subscription because their 80 year old grandma downloaded a "Free" song that somone offered to them. Soon they won't have anymore customers. LOL | |
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Mactron
el Camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
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June 13th, @10:07AM
| Re: Maybe time for everyone to switch to Cable..... What to get "Letters" from a CableCo instead?
Read about "Letters" in the Comcast forum here.
Ok that idea works... 
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| said by Mactron :]Their duty??? You mean they (Comcast) rolled over don't you ? AFAIK, Comcast does not provided customer information to the complainants, they only forward the complaints to the alleged abuser. Can you prove otherwise?
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·Pacific Bell - SBC
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| Re: Maybe time for everyone to switch to Cable..... Eh? Why the recursive link? I have followed the Comcast "letter" discussions in the Comcast forums at DSLR. I have seen no indication, other than paranoid assumptions by folks who don't know, that Comcast is supplying customer information to the complainants. If they were, then the letters wouldn't be coming from Comcast, they'd be coming directly from the *IAA agents.
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steve19726
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Chicago, IL
clubs: | Good luck.. All I have to say is.. good luck combating piracy.. others have tried and failed miserably! | |
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XBL2007
join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL | This could be big for Covad ! This is great there will be people running back to clec. I use to have Earthlink via Covad and it was solid although a little bit expensive. | |
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raydog1
Feel Secure
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La Vergne, TN | Correction. . . "The article is vague on specifics because the technology hasn't been invented yet." | |
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Oleg
Bellsouth Fastaccess
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Birmingham, AL | Re: AT&T to Target Pirated Content So we can't use torrents anymore? | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Re: AT&T to Target Pirated Content said by Oleg :So we can't use torrents anymore? Probably soon, yeah. They'll probably try to "filter" USENET, block ports, block torrents, block all P2P actually, and they'll have to monitor datastreams. Plus they'll probably turn over any information to the RIAA and MPAA at will without any court orders or legal procedures.
What sucks is AT&T owns most of the US Geographical area.
I hope NOBODY signs up for U-Verse or their crappy PayTV crap.
And I hope they get sued constantly everytime they screwup, which will be early and often.
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Willseyville, NY | Well, I'd guess you might get away with something like Relakks . . . or various other encryption schemes. | |
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join:2006-10-18
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| "Probably soon, yeah. They'll probably try to "filter" USENET, block ports, block torrents, block all P2P actually, and they'll have to monitor datastreams. Plus they'll probably turn over any information to the RIAA and MPAA at will without any court orders or legal procedures."
It's not that hard. Rogers (ISP in Canada) blocks them very well, via deep packet inspection. | |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Losing Common Carrier status? It was my understanding that Internet Service Providers enjoyed a special status called "Common Carrier." One of the benefits to this status was that they weren't liable for illegal activities taking place on their lines.
Just like AT&T couldn't be sued because two bank robbers coordinated their plans using AT&T's phone service, AT&T couldn't be sued because two file sharers swapped pirated movies over AT&T's DSL service.
The catch was (in my understanding) that AT&T couldn't try to proactively reduce illegal activities since that would open them up to lawsuits on the activities that they didn't stop. (They could still react to illegal activities, such as disconnecting a user found to be distributing pirated movies.)
Now, with AT&T seeking out alleged copyright infringement on their network, would they be opening themselves up to lawsuits from other copyright holders whose work AT&T didn't stop from being illegally shared? | |
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Re: Losing Common Carrier status? No. AT&T is protected by the DMCA whether they seek out copyright violations or not. | |
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rahlquist
Redeye
join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA
| Re: Losing Common Carrier status? said by russotto :No. AT&T is protected by the DMCA whether they seek out copyright violations or not. Only if they get a DMCA takedown notice.
This will be a slippery slope for them. Any attempt to police content will most likely result in them losing common carrier status under section 230 of the CDA ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicat···tion_230 ).
Any attempt to provide data on a private users usage to a private company without a warrant or court order (or providing usage data to the private company so it can get a warrant) could be considered illegal wiretapping or at the very least an invasion of privacy and possibly a violation of their own written policies.
So the only safe thing for them to do is? I cant come up with one thing.
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Losing Common Carrier status? I think you missed the news, AT&T can break whatever laws it wants as long as they protect the illegal NSA wiretapping. What good is a law if it isn't enforced? | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Re: Losing Common Carrier status? That's a good point. Until the current administration is out, they've pretty much got the feds over the barrel. | |
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amused
@proxyweb.net
| Have they thought this through? Irrate Inc.: Your network is being used to illegally distribute our software.
AT&T: Code in with your MPAA/RIAA credentials.
Irrate Inc.: We don't have any. We make software, not garbage.
AT&T: Are you with the government? We can give you anything you like if your with them.
Irrate Inc.: No, we're a corporation, like you.
AT&T: Oh. Sorry. It's impossible for us to do anything. Would you like to sign up for our priority tier? You'll be able to find infringers using our tubes twice as fast, with less waiting, guaranteed!
Irrate Inc.: No, thank you. Please stop your customer(s) from illegally distributing our software immediately.
AT&T: No. We're a carrier, not a content provider. We're protected and there's nothing you can do about it. We don't have to police the content on our network. Ignore the Hollywood dragnet.
Irrate Inc.: All lawyers on deck!
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Finish the sentence, T! "As AT&T has begun selling pay-television services, the company has realized that its interests are more closely aligned with Hollywood"....
..."than with its customers". | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
| Re: Finish the sentence, T! The interests that AT&T and their customers share, it both trying to get/keep as much of the customers money as possible. Ordinarily this would align other interests, but when there is seldom a choice of service provider, it becomes a matter of how much AT&T can force you to pay. I'm sure they'll have a "leave me out of the phone book *AA dragnet list" fee. | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Didnt a European company or a Canadaian one try this before and customers dumped them | |
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rahlquist
Redeye
join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA
| Wow this is almost shocking....NOT! I've been saying this since the wiretapping issue came up.
1. Action: Agree to roll over for government and compromise your customers with no real complaints. Result: Get approved to grow through mergers and acquisitions for being a good dog.
2. Action: Take suggestions from Hollywood to compromise your customers privacy. Result: Lower bandwidth usage by both FUD and prosecuted end users, lowering overall costs. Possibly a Hollywood kickback in cheaper programming too.
3. Profit!
Whats next? Monitor peoples emails for Aunt Betty's cookie recipe and steal that?
There is nothing to see here, move along..........
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San Jose, CA
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| Re: Great! said by exocet_cm :First they take over Bellsouth and Cingular... SBC had a joint stake with Bellsouth in the Cingular brand. When SBC bought AT&T, they took over that company, and changed their name. One has to wonder whether, after becoming the "new" AT&T, the Bellsouth takeover wasn't about getting full control of Cingular...
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220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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Pangea | you do know about the 3 branches of govt now? dont you? 1. corporate
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we are all screwed. its just a matter of when.
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join:2001-04-30
Lawrenceville, GA | Encrypted Traffic Great, I just switched to AT&T's IFITL (formerly, BellSouth). They'll monitor everything you do in order to implement this technology. It won't work. Everything will move to encrypted traffic. | |
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ctceo
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South Bend, IN
clubs: | Re: Encrypted Traffic And all that encrypted traffic can be monitored and decrypted on the fly. | |
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RangerTX
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Los Angeles, CA
| Re: Encrypted Traffic said by ctceo :And all that encrypted traffic can be monitored and decrypted on the fly. you first have to crack the key
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hiatus | AES is your best friend... You have to have to resources of Fort Meade on your side and even the those guys hate AES because it is such a bitch to break.
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ctceo
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