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AT&T's 'Expansion' of 1 Gbps to 100 Cities is a Big, Fat Bluff

AT&T today announced that the company is "eyeing" 100 potential target cities as locations they may deploy faster 1 Gbps "Gigapower" service. According to the company's press release, this "major initiative" will target 100 "candidate cities and municipalities" across 21 metropolitan areas nationwide. Those users could then get AT&T's $70-$100 per month 1 Gbps service, currently only available in a very small portion of Austin, Texas.

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Before you get too excited, you need to understand that this is a bluff of immense proportion. It's what I affectionately refer to as "fiber to the press release."

Ever since Google Fiber came on the scene, AT&T's response has been highly theatrical in nature. What AT&T would have the press and public believe is that they're engaged in a massive new deployment of fiber to the home service. What's actually happening is that AT&T is upgrading a few high-end developments where fiber was already in the ground (these users were previously capped at DSL speeds) and pretending it's a serious expansion of fixed-line broadband.

It's not. At the same time AT&T is promising a massive expansion in fixed line broadband, they're telling investors they aren't spending much money on the initiative, because they aren't. AT&T's focus is on more profitable wireless. "Gigapower" is a show pony designed to help the company pretend they're not being outmaneuvered in their core business by a search engine company.

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The press release admits as much if you look carefully. "This expanded fiber build is not expected to impact AT&T’s capital investment plans for 2014," notes AT&T. That's what they noted last year, and will surely say the same thing next year. In fact, AT&T's been reducing their fixed-line CAPEX each year. What kind of major 1 Gbps broadband expansion doesn't hit your CAPEX? One that's either very tiny, or simply doesn't exist.

"Similar to previously announced metro area selections in Austin and Dallas and advanced discussions in Raleigh-Durham and Winston-Salem, communities that have suitable network facilities, and show the strongest investment cases based on anticipated demand and the most receptive policies will influence these future selections and coverage maps within selected areas," notes the company.

In short, if your city plays nice and gives AT&T what they want legislatively (namely gut consumer protections requiring they keep serving DSL users they don't want so they can focus on more profitable wireless) you'll get 1 Gbps fiber to a few high-end developments and apartment buildings. As an added bonus, your local politician can hold a lovely cord-cutting ceremony where he or she pretends to be encouraging the broadband networks of tomorrow (while in reality doing the exact opposite).

You can understand AT&T's executive and marketing logic to a degree. Google received an absolute blast of positive press coverage for their recent announcement that they might deploy Google Fiber to 34 cities in 9 major metro areas. Countless news outlets didn't understand what Google was even announcing, and stated breathlessly that all these cities would be getting fiber. The free marketing Google receives for what really is a very small actual deployment is staggering.

"This expanded fiber build is not expected to impact AT&T’s capital investment plans for 2014."
-AT&T
Granted, while there is a heavy theatrical component to Google Fiber and its few thousand actual users, Google's interest really is in driving competition and helping cities build business plans -- even if Google doesn't deploy there themselves. In contrast, AT&T's interest is in pretending they're not a lumbering duopolist failing to keep pace, home to tens of millions of annoyed users on slow, capped and expensive DSL lines the company has no intention of upgrading anytime soon.

We're in the heart of the age of "fiber to the press release" and 1 Gbps mania, where all you need to do is simply mention 1 Gbps and you get a ticker-tape parade and a statue in the town square without having to deliver a single byte. AT&T's certainly counting on that reaction from the press and public. Look for specifics as to how many users will actually get 1 Gbps "Gigapower" service and at what cost to AT&T, and you'd be hard-pressed to find any whatsoever. That's because "Gigapower" is about 10% actual broadband, and 90% bologna.
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mike31US
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Ugh

Nothing in WA. Are they just scared of Comcast in these parts or what?

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said by mike31US:

Nothing in WA. Are they just scared of Comcast in these parts or what?

AT&T? They don't even provide wireline service in Washington.
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Re: Ugh

But they do have presence here, for cellular towers obviously. i live about a mile from an AT&T fiber optic line.....

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said by Nemesis158:

But they do have presence here, for cellular towers obviously. i live about a mile from an AT&T fiber optic line.....

AT&T is not known for overbuilding incumbent telcos. You will see CenturyLink fiber in your neighborhood long before you will see AT&T fiber to your neighborhood/doorstep.

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Re: Ugh

said by NormanS:

AT&T is not known for overbuilding incumbent telcos. You will see CenturyLink fiber in your neighborhood long before you will see AT&T fiber to your neighborhood/doorstep.

I'm not aware of any telco (or cable co, for that matter) that overbuilds an incumbent.

That is pretty standard. It's just too expensive, which is the same reason you rarely see new entrants do it, either.

Of course that hasn't stopped google.

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said by fg8578:

I'm not aware of any telco (or cable co, for that matter) that overbuilds an incumbent.

Never heard of WOW (Wide Open West)? Once upon a time, years before SBC bought them, AT&T (dba "AT&T Broadband Internet" (ATTBI)) overbuilt Comcast in San José, California.

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Re: Ugh

said by NormanS:

Never heard of WOW (Wide Open West)? Once upon a time, years before SBC bought them, AT&T (dba "AT&T Broadband Internet" (ATTBI)) overbuilt Comcast in San José, California.

No I had not heard of WOW, so thanx for the info. So if they were able to do it, why don't others? google obviously can, has anyone else?
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Let me show you my shock face

Still waiting for that article on why Google won't release the number of customers they have in Kansas City after 2 years and why they still haven't released when they will finish the build in their first market. I'll hold my breath.
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Re: Let me show you my shock face

At least Google is delivering a true Gbit to basically everyone in a busy fiberhood. ATT is supposedly sharing 2.5GB per area, Google is doing some kind of custom WDM-PON hybrid that allows nearly all to get a full Gbit. See my review to side. Am in a very busy fiberhood with many hirise residential buildings.

Sttill a good step for ATT if they are serious about heading that direction. However Google may also be media whoring too by announcing 34 potential cities - they need to deliver as well.

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Re: Let me show you my shock face

"At least Google is delivering a true Gbit "

Bullshit!! Don't you know that only EPB can deliver 1GB? They said they have the fastest Internet in the Nation so it's impossible for Google to do it too...

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Re: Let me show you my shock face

If that's the case, then why is this person getting around 940 Mbps down on a speed test?

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· GBVgdEms

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Re: Let me show you my shock face

Correction, they were getting about 922Mbps DOWN and 947Mbps UP.
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Re: Let me show you my shock face

The most I've seen is close to 950 with concurrent tests and with many other users in fiberhood. Not bad for $70/month.

»Concurrent Google Fiber Tests
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If they utilized 10GigE equipment you might see speeds above 1 gigabit finally, but the equipment cost some $$. I'd take 900's over 50 anytime (for $15 more a month)
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Re: Let me show you my shock face

Would think the 10Gb Google is looking into deploying would be for boosting fiberhood backend capacity to help sustain all users at near 1Gbit.

Edit: But would be huge if they offer it to end users cheaply eventually, even if just for just biz class service, which they are now piloting in KC.
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Re: Let me show you my shock face

Google seems to like the 1:1 (or close as possible) peering model to the client home. This is OK, but it likely means you will never hit that 100%+ mark with the bandwidth (no "fluff overprovisioning) .. since most speeds with regular isps are way below 1 gigabit, the gigabit Ethernet & routers are plenty sufficient, but when you hit the LIMIT of the throughput, you lose some in overhead packets the closer you get. You need 10GIG/Ethernet to fully support 1 gigabit connections (this is why you see 940/950 as speed tests even if it's locally routed).
I'm pretty sure there are quite a few customers in metro NY who would kill to have that "gigabit" speeds even if it came a few % under due to the equipment overhead at $70 a month.

10GigE equipment needs to be made cheaper for it to be adopted by residential customers. Google needs to put pressure on these MFG's to make the equipment affordable and more user friendly. Until recently, routers that supported gigabit were of the TECHY "MANAGED SWITCHES" w/o wifi variety which did NOT have the kind of routing BIOS and home networking requirements of today's routers since they were designed to meet only the basic needs of enterprise customers. You can basically say the same for much of today's 10GigE equipment. That needs to change if google wants to move beyond 1 gigabit to the customer premise.

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Exactly. One of EPB's many misleading bullshit advertising campaigns makes the claim they have the fastest internet in the nation. Many of their sales guys honestly believe their 1gb is faster than anyone else's 1gb.
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Why the hate for EPB? They don't cherry pick. They wired up people in the boondocks.

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Re: Let me show you my shock face

The hate is on their complete bullshit marketing campaigns. To this day they claim you can download a full length movie in just 12 seconds but they refuse to tell you where. They claim only they employ locals. They make claims as if only they offer 24/7 support.

They claim that they are 100% fiber and no one else is. I get fiber handoffs from 3 carriers. EPB only hands off via copper. Some of their sales people claim they were the first ISP in the country to offer 1gb. Never mind that Level 3 has 10gb customers and faster.
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Not as long as I've been waiting for AT&T to stop obfuscating on their u-verse internet numbers. I'd like to be able to view the success of the product each quarter but it's impossible to do that accurately with the numbers provided.

How many customers in each tier?
How many quarterly additions are new AT&T customers?
How many tier upgrades did they have in the quarter and how many downgrades?
How many u-verse additions in the quarter are in branding only and not real additions? By that I mean areas where T changed to IP-dslam and forced the customer to switch to the u-verse brand but the customer is keeping the same old dsl speeds.
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So how come AT&T also said their Capex plan for 2014 was unchanged? These markets are 20M households? How do you build there if you don't allocate any new capex?

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Re: Let me show you my shock face

said by mikesm559:

So how come AT&T also said their Capex plan for 2014 was unchanged? These markets are 20M households? How do you build there if you don't allocate any new capex?

Maybe they had already planned (and budgeted for) fiber buildouts in those areas, but hadn't announced them yet. This announcement simply reveals what was already planned. Not that I really believe that, but it's one explanation for why no new capex . . .

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Not so sure...

While I'll be the first to agree that AT&T's PR department tends to "over-exaggerate" stories in AT&T's favor (that's putting it mildly), there is something in the works.
AT&T just recently started doing a lot of hiring on the network side (OSP Construction and Engineering). The amount of job openings tells me they are definitely up to something, and it's not small scale.
What the "something" is - is beyond me.

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Re: Not so sure...

Could be, and Karl chose to cherry pick the sentence of no cap ex expentidure like AT&T cherry picks the metro areas.

The context included:

The planned expanded availability of U-verse with GigaPower is part of AT&T’s Project Velocity IP (VIP) investment plan to expand and enhance its wireless and wireline IP broadband networks to support growing customer demand for high-speed Internet access, advanced TV services, and new mobile and cloud services. This expanded fiber build is not expected to impact AT&T’s capital investment plans for 2014

Project VIP slated $6 billion to wireline improvements. Is that enough to upgrade? I'm not sure, but the way it reads is this money was already earmarked in the Project VIP plans and isn't coming out additional CapEx funding.

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Re: Not so sure...

That $ six billion includes all wireline improvements across the entire networks, most of it going toward bumping users to 45 Mbps and a few "new" U-Verse builds (Indianapolis, San Francisco) planned previously that were put on hiatus because of one problem or another (usually bickering over cabinet placement). Subtract that, and I'm not sure how anyone believes a significant 1 Gbps FTTH deployment (two cities, much less 100) can actually be accomplished on peanuts.

I have no doubt some MDUs and developments will see 1 Gbps, but we're talking a very, very minor portion of AT&T's overall footprint here.

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Re: Not so sure...

I wouldn't call 6 billion peanuts, but I do agree that it probably can't upgrade all 100 Metros to 1GB, but as you pointed out, they are simply doing the same marketing as Google to help veil metro cherry picking.

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Re: Not so sure...

Reading comprehension fail...

"Subtract that, ..." (the $6 billion) ..."and I'm not sure how anyone believes a significant 1 Gbps FTTH deployment (two cities, much less 100) can actually be accomplished on peanuts."

So Karl is not claiming $6 billion peanuts. He is calling everything left over after most of the $6 billion allocated across the entire network peanuts.

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Re: Not so sure...

Is the meaning of your post just to insult and provide no meaningful information?

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Re: Not so sure...

No, it was to explain how you misinterpreted what Karl wrote. Are you insulted by that?
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$6 billion, at $1000 per home passed, would get you 6 million homes passed with FTTH. And that's assuming AT&T is cherry-picking those six million for low install costs.

What's more likely? A few billion of that goes to upgrading VDSL speeds, and a few billion goes to greenfield builds of FTTH (including GigaPower) in developments that AT&T would've deployed FTTH to anyway. And transitioning as many DSL users as possible to IP-DSLAM ADSL2+ or VDSL.

Keep in mind that Verizon spent several times $6 billion to get FTTH to its current FiOS footprint, which is sizable but certainly not nationwide. AT&T has the advantage of being several years down the road vs. where Verizon was in terms of cost of equipment, but they still can't do anything terribly awesome with that amount of money. You'd have to spend 4x that to have a significant amount of FTTH in each of the 100 cities.

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That Is Peanuts Actually. The Project In Kansas City Cost That Much. That Is Just 1 Metro Area. I Did Google Fiber, Spent Lots Of time In The Ervin Offices, Heard Lots Of Numbers Thrown Around.

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Re: Not so sure...

said by Bradmw :

That Is Peanuts Actually. The Project In Kansas City Cost That Much. That Is Just 1 Metro Area. I Did Google Fiber, Spent Lots Of time In The Ervin Offices, Heard Lots Of Numbers Thrown Around.

However, Google is a company that had no assets in the ground already. But if you were boots on the ground, I'm highly skeptical of you knowing the full costs of the project. As I said, I doubt $6B could cover all those metros.

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The majority of the fiber will go to big companies for transport of data. Thats where the money is at. Some will go to (GPON ) fiber to the house. at&t wants to get rid of sonet network (oc192 and down to ds1 and DSO) They want and all IP network. Granted they would still have to migrate all DSO ground start loop start e911 trunks for 911 call centers. Most counties don't have the funds to upgrade phone systems to accept voip , so the 5ess switch would stay for awhile .

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said by nunya:

While I'll be the first to agree that AT&T's PR department tends to "over-exaggerate" stories in AT&T's favor (that's putting it mildly), there is something in the works.
AT&T just recently started doing a lot of hiring on the network side (OSP Construction and Engineering). The amount of job openings tells me they are definitely up to something, and it's not small scale.
What the "something" is - is beyond me.

You noticed that too, I have been watching internal job sites and they are putting up some and filling others on a daily basis. I have some feelers out there already for my career.

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said by nunya:

AT&T just recently started doing a lot of hiring on the network side (OSP Construction and Engineering). The amount of job openings tells me they are definitely up to something, and it's not small scale.

It's "fiber-to-the-business" and "anchor institutions". I've been working with them to get feeds from local buildings.

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Already confirmed it won't be happening in my hood

Live in East Point just south of Atlanta but north of the airport. Wrote letter to President of AT&T regarding UVerse and that 3m DSL was all that was offered. Was told by the Office of the President that, "There are no plans to expand UVerse into my neighborhood."

So it's either stick with 3m or go to Comcast. Sigh

We are one of the communities that Google Fiber is looking to expand to but if and when that happens is still a ways off.

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Yeah right...

AT&T is full of shit. Even here in LA, they stopped UVerse build out years ago. 2 streets over they have UVerse and where I am, there is a big coil of their cable hanging off a pole and has been that way for a long time.

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Another Project Pronto

This reminds me of AT&T's Project Pronto initiative where they were going to deploy DSLAMS in Remote Terminals and provide various flavors of DSL to nearly everyone that was too far from the Central Office. Project Pronto quickly became Project Lento which in-turn quickly became Project Niente.

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Press Release Trolling at its Finest

They're just making up stuff to get media attention and buzz around them instead of Google Fiber. They've seen the positive buzz around Google Fiber and want in on that.

AT&T using fake PR for attention. Nothing new here folks, move along.

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Re: Press Release Trolling at its Finest

How are they trolling?

They beat google to TX and seem like they like the numbers of doing a FTTH deployment from what I read.

It's better than TWC maxx that has fallen behind and no one knows when anyone is going to have it or when folks can sign up.
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Re: Press Release Trolling at its Finest

»[HSI] OMG! AT&T GIGAPOWER coming to Charter Markets ! 1 gigabit/sec

Not a bluff. Channel 4 news at 5PM today had AT&T Official announce GIGAPOWER coming to ST LOUIS
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They brought the power tier to Dallas, TX

But no one I know, including myself, can get it. So dumb.
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AT&T Gigabit Expansion Press Release.

Many of us who are AT&T customers would be happy to see AT&T upgrade its ADSL networks to the full capability of the ADSL2+ standard.
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Existing FTTH

I don't know how it is configured but it would seem to be easy to upgrade the end equipment on all the FTTH that is already in place. Many of the sub-developments in BellSouth area built in the last 10 to 15 years were FTTH.

Also Google may be playing the same game. They never said they would do all 23 cities nor did they say they would not do them all. What they said was they would help the cities get fiber. If AT&T does some of the cities Google can take credit for getting the city high speed FTTH. They deserve the credit whether they do the work or not.

I think it is stupid that the actors don't get together and place one fiber to as many premises as possible and then let anybody connect to the fiber. It would be a waste of money for AT&T, the cable company and Google to place fiber to the same house in the same city.

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Nice insight Karl...

Now if only AT&T would just go out of business so someone else could take over their turf and do a better job.

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Re: Nice insight Karl...

It has started, with the sale of SNET (AT&T East) to Frontier.

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Re: Nice insight Karl...

They must have an instant profit margin on this deal, the days of copper are almost over, so this must be a quick profit scheme.
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You know.. It's sad!

You see commercials from the 60's to the early 90's of a company that once.. was so innovative and happy develop a new age of technology.. Now become nothing more than a de-innovatrive money hungry conglomerate.. I used to be a proud AT&T DSL customer.. Now I can't run from them fast enough!

I really miss the days of 28.8K to 56K to 768K with the old Scifi channel that used to host the Cnet programs and Anime Saturday.... and a solo station Techtv with technology announcements to get excited about.. Now all you hear about is lawsuits in technology world, companies being folded, companies being sold, followed by major flaws in security... and worries of Identity theft.. Truly sings, that something has turned for the worse..
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Shame, shame

said by Karl Bode:

In fact, AT&T's been reducing their fixed-line CAPEX each year.

Karl, AT&T's financials suggest otherwise.
said by AT&T FY13 Report :

Virtually all of our capital expenditures are spent on our wireless and wireline networks, our U-verse services and support systems for our communications services. Capital expenditures, excluding interest during construction, increased $1,479 from 2012. Our Wireless segment represented 52% of our total spending and increased 3% in 2013. The Wireline segment, which includes U-verse services, represented 48% of the total capital expenditures and increased 13% in 2013, primarily reflecting our implementation of Project VIP.

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Comcast/TWC may force AT&T's hand

I'm not as pessimistic as Karl. Not out of any faith in AT&T, but that the the roll out of 200Mbit+ tiers in addition to the increasing threat of Google Fiber will force their hand to expand.

U-Verse xDSL flat out cannot keep up with higher level DOCSIS 3.0 nor DOCSIS 3.1 eventually.

Still look for lots of cherry-picking along the way however.
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Anyone know about Sifi Networks' FTTH?

A friend told me about a recently announced deal" from Sifi Networks for his tiny town:

»www.lightwaveonline.com/ ··· -ca.html

To me it has a lot of a "something for nothing" feel to it. Are there other small projects like this that get implemented successfully that we just don't hear too much about? Or is this another "fiber to the press release"?

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And all this after we have paid them to do it...

AT&T has already been given Billions of dollars in tax incentives [techdirt.com] to deliver fiber optic cable based internet to your house.

According to the incentive plans these high speed internet connections should already be installed and functioning for pretty much every American at speeds averaging 45 Mbps upload and download. Every American taxpayer, that is not a provider of internet infrastructure, has taken on the burden of $2000.00 more in taxes in order to offset the incentives gives to AT&T and the baby bells.

Do you have your low cost, high speed fiber yet?
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How does Karl know anything about what will actually happen?

Karl knows nothing about what will actually happen, all he knows is he has a big hate for ATT and will himself publish half truths and rumors as long as they fit his opinion.

Pretty much anything he says is an opinion, it may be shared by others or not, but it is nothing more than one mans opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

We will know when it happens what it will be.

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Orlando and Jacksonville have been confirmed. I'm right in the middle!

I believe I read somewhere that Palm Coast, FL was included in the Orlando market, but I really hope to see this service in Palm Coast soon!