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AT&T's Network Can Handle The iPad
Carrier learned its lesson from its 2009 media ass kicking

AT&T's been very busy beefing up their 3G network (more fiber, more towers, a 7.2 HSPA software upgrade, and a migration to 850MHz) not only in response to criticism levied at the carrier in 2009, but in preparation for their eventual loss of the iPhone exclusive. With the iPad's release this week (you may have heard about it) speculation has turned to how prepared AT&T's network is. Sanford Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett, who is a quick quote machine for most technology journalists, generally poo poos things like network upgrades, believes the wireless industry is "collapsing," and thinks AT&T should ditch $30 unlimited data. Moffett this week is getting fussy over the potential strain the iPad could have on AT&T's network:

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"AT&T seems to be convinced that most of the time users will be connected to Wi-Fi," said Craig Moffett, a Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. analyst who rates the shares "market perform." "That’s a pretty big stretch, given it’s a new device nobody’s used before."...The iPad "is extremely bandwidth-intensive," Moffett said. "It could set users up for disappointment."
While the iPad may be "bandwidth intensive," even AT&T admits they don't think that very many people are going to want to shell out the extra dough required for 3G connectivity. As it stands, users have to pay an extra ($130) if they want an iPad with 3G connectivity, and then another $14.99 (250MB) or $30 (unlimited) a month for actual service -- on top of their existing wireless plan. That's an added cost many people in a recession simply aren't going to spring for.

Adoption could ramp up should AT&T get around to offering unified wireless data plans for multiple devices, but for now, data plan affordability is going to act as a means of congestion control. As for the tech-savvy contingent with disposable income, many of them may just pair the iPad with the increasing number of mobile phones (well, except the iPhone) that allow for either free tethering, or tethering that's cheaper than the price of iPad data.

Meanwhile, as we noted earlier this week, Apple and AT&T have been working more closely to ensure that devices make more efficient use of tower bandwidth. Combine these improvements with the myriad of other lessons learned from AT&T's iPhone experiences, and it would seem Moffett's being a little melodramatic. After all, despite this week's media bombardment and an ocean of gushing bloggers, the iPad is not the revolutionary iPhone -- it's just a computer. A nicely designed computer to be sure, but Apple didn't cure cancer -- and demand for said computer isn't going to rattle AT&T's foundation.

And while this is AT&T we're talking about, it's highly unlikely that the company wants to relive the kind of alleyway brass knuckle media beating they received in 2009 for HSDPA-network congestion.
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Heh

Yah, I'll believe that when I see it... I don't see the Ipad as being a huge seller so maybe they're right.

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Yah, I'll believe that when I see it... I don't see the Ipad as being a huge seller so maybe they're right.
I think it will sell plenty; maybe not like the iPhone however. And all the #'s you will hear starting tomorrow are for the WiFi-only iPads. The 3G versions won't be out for a few weeks yet. In fact, I suspect they will sell a ton of WiFi-only iPads and that AT&T won't be burdened with a lot of 3G models slowing down their network.

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Won't everyone using their iPad be not using their iPhone? so, six of one, half-dozen of the other...
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I think that's a very difficult conclusion to draw. What happens if I have an iPhone, purchase an iPad, and go to work with my iPhone but leave my iPad at home for my wife and kid to use?
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But if you are leaving it at home, won't it connect through wifi?
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What if my wife takes it with her when she goes to the park with my son? What if my son takes it with him to read stories or watch videos when he and my wife go to the store?
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Wow, that's a nice response. FYI, I have a playground in my subdivision that is 50 yards from my house. It's not inconceivable at all that I or my wife sit on a bench reading a book while our son is playing. Perhaps you'd like to try a more adult type of response.
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Remember, some people will have this as a primary computer, iPhone or not.

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Too crippled to replace a laptop...

This is like a big phone without voice and too crippled to replace a laptop. I seriously have no idea who would buy something like this (let alone pay $30/month for data).
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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

said by Acuity:

This is like a big phone without voice and too crippled to replace a laptop. I seriously have no idea who would buy something like this (let alone pay $30/month for data).
Really????

This is apple's version of the netbook - what don't you guys understand.. so I find it really hard to sit here and read posts about people saying "it will never sell" or "it will be too crippled to replace a laptop"...

This thing most certainly will sell.. and sell a lot. I'm no apple fan either, but it's really foolish to say that it won't sell, or to compare it to a phone..

Those who will buy it are apple folk who want a "netbook" or who do enjoy apple computers and are accustomed to them already... that's who.

One thing I CAN take from your post is that you won't be one buying the item.. right?

Oh - and the thing is.. the data.. why bother? Take the wifi version.. until they come out with a family data plan where you can add, I mean, REGISTER, multiple deviced to your account, its a waste.. get a MiFi card, the wifi version, and you're all set.. it's that simple.. the thing is, however, many people are WAY too, um, stupid, to figure that one out. If I'm going to walk around with a few devices that need internet access, I'll simply connect them to my Sprint MiFi card and pay the one time monthly of $49 and share that connection and not worry about the device using 3G data of it's own.

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said by fiberguy2:

said by Acuity:

This is like a big phone without voice and too crippled to replace a laptop. I seriously have no idea who would buy something like this (let alone pay $30/month for data).
Really????

This is apple's version of the netbook
Its actually just another iTV. Lots of hype, expensive and utterly useless.
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I don't understand how people continue to underestimate Apple's marketing capacity and how it continues to grow market share in most of their businesses. Comparing the iPad to the aTV is like saying black and white are the same. Full disclosure, I have no intention of buying an iPad, but I do own AAPL for its growth capability and continued ability to interest large numbers of consumers with its products, and then fold those consumers into the Apple ecosystem to sell even more products.
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I don't understand how people continue to underestimate Apple's marketing capacity and how it continues to grow market share in most of their businesses. Comparing the iPad to the aTV is like saying black and white are the same. Full disclosure, I have no intention of buying an iPad, but I do own AAPL for its growth capability and continued ability to interest large numbers of consumers with its products, and then fold those consumers into the Apple ecosystem to sell even more products.
You do realize that one of the few reasons why Apple is doing so well is because they are lying to their customer base by saying they don't get viruses, crash, ect. The average populous eats that up. I mean, who wants a computer thats slow, has viruses, and crashes? I don't, but Mac isn't immune.
But, at the end of the day, what do many people install on a Mac anyways: Windows. My university decided to buy iMacs to replace Dell's because people complained that they didn't have a choice. Needless to say the Mac's are ALWAYS booted into Windows (in fact I have seen people reboot the computer just to get into Windows OR EVEN WALK AWAY). Oh and I suggested they install Linux (Ubuntu) also, they just laughed at me.
The only thing I hear from the Apple side "blah blah blah we are better than a PC blah blah blah" but you know what, Mac's contain PC parts so explain how it is any better.

Apple had its chance with the iPhone. It could have put all the other handsets out of business very easily by simply respecting its community of users instead of labeling them as criminals. If Apple only made their platform open like Windows Mobile was, I would estimate their profit margin would have skyrocketed. Apparently to me it seems companies are only worried about the short term profit and not long term. Without any actual proof, but from what I have been hearing the iPad is just the iPhone in a bigger fashion. I still don't understand how people can live with other people telling them how they should use their devices.
Palm kind of has the right idea, the stuff they don't like they are "hush hush" about, but they don't condone the actions of other developers. Microsoft pre Windows Mobile 7 had the perfect idea - "here are the tools you need to make software, royalty free. Do whatever you want." and with that excellent software packages and services have come out like Dashwire and WMWifiRouter. Did Microsoft say anything to the developers of WMWifiRouter? Nope. Palm whispers on the side, but doesn't try to shutdown the project. You develop a project for the iPhone that Apple doesn't like, be prepared for a war.

But what do I know, I just state it like I see it.
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wow, really? First off, I am no apple fan so let's make that perfectly clear.

Apple is doing so well because they lie to their customers huh? Um.. Macs CAN get viruses.. they just don't get hit - there is antivirus for macs. And, the year that I've had one with out any AV I've gotten none. We've been over this a thousand millions times.. who is going to make a virus for a small percentage of computers anyway? There ARE viruses out there - just not many.

You say at the end of the day "many people" install windows on a mac... what is "many"...? People don't buy a mac in order to simply put windows on it.. they put windows on it because they have to run some windows applications still. You make it sound like these people are buying macs to run Windows and they're not. Believe it or not, some people like the mac over PC but for certain reasons they still have to access windows programs. I have about 12 windows computers in my house and one macbook... big deal.

What's wrong with a university adding macs to the line up of computers at your university? ..is it a competition or something? There IS more than one computing platform of computers out there - so why limit it to just Windows? I would think that your university is right-on for adding some macs to the mix. I think it's only right that a university offer the array of computers available out there to their students.. in fact, there. In fact, they should be adding some lunix based computers if they don't already. Maybe those people booting into windows on the macs should go find a PC... I don't think there is anything wrong with having the macs available - just sound like your university, while doing something right, didn't implement it correctly. They need to have them available, but not force them on people.. but, really, before I go on here, you didn't really say much about WHERE and WHY they did this either.. was this for staff? or for students? If for students, I don't think they should be providing computers in the first place. If its for staff, then they should be letting the computer fit the job, and put people in those positions that fit the platform they require. As for the university "laughing at you"... I can just picture it now.. the entire university staff ganged up and laughed at you - do you mean the PERSON you mentioned it to allegedly laughed at you? .. or did they just not either accept your request/suggestion on the spot as you expected they would or just didn't commit to you.. either way, the way you say it just sounds reallllly wrong.

"The only thing I hear from apple side "bla bla bla we are better than a PC bla bla bla"... First off, Mac doesn't "contain PC parts".. they contain Intel parts and other manufacture parts that the so-called PC uses... so? What's wrong with that? You don't think that it's uncommon in business these days for a ford or a dodge to use the same parts? Their radio/sound systems, for example, ford used Delphi and Dodged used Mopar.. now they use Infity the same in many cases - should they be uncomparable now? should they not try to continue to distinguish themselves as different still?? .. I mean, in your terms it could be said that dodge is using Ford parts anyway so explain how dodge is any better.

You are right that apple had its chance with the iPhone - and they did very well with it. Besides the fact they went with one single carrier to power the phone in the U.S. which many people didn't like, millions of people went to the iPhone - the iPhone didn't fail by any means. If you look at the people that use the iPhone, the personal end users, it's still a better selling phone than the black berry which owes most of it's sales to the business world anyway. But, who's to ever say that the iPhone was to put all phones out of business? That's just freakin' ridiculous to say in the first place. The iPhone is a very good phone - it's just not for everyone. NO ONE, including the oppositions new pet savior adroid based phones, is ever going to put all other handsets out of business. Personally, as you don't like the iPhone, I find the adroid based phones to be pure crap and poorly designed. See? it's choice and preference. But, I could care less WHO dominates the other - WHO puts who out of business.. that's fanboy crap through and through. *I* as a consumer am happy there is a phone that works for me.. what apple or motorola or RIM, et all do in business doesn't concern me one bit. I don't sit on the sidelines hoping one company will dominate others - AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE here especially when the majority of the people here cry foul at the lack of competition. WHY do the people who want competition always call for the death of one of the competitors? Do you people not realize that even the crappiest of providers, makers, companies are part of the driving force of what makes the so-called "good guys" stay on top of the game? Just like FiOS that everyone THINKS is the par for the entire game of broadband.. they're not.. they're just another horrible company that was slapped back with others making advances and were FORCED to make a move, and they did. Think about that one.

WHY would you even want apple to make their platform like windows mobile? If they did, I'd never buy it. I don't like WinMo, so WHY in the world would I want to buy apple who wanted to be like WinMo? Again, think about it! They chose not to make it open like WinMo.. they wanted their stuff to actually work - and everytime I start up my iPhone, it works! I went through three WinMo phones and they were all crap! Who knows, maybe the fact that WM has so many cooks in the kitchen, maybe that's why it wasn't a great experience for me.. maybe it's why I went through a Moto Phone, Samsung, and HTC phone before I got fed up with the garbage that they were selling. THREE versions of WM and none of them worked - in fact, it was CLEARLY my fault, as I was always told, when it didn't work - even with a software refresh to factory.. um.. yea..

So you think the iPad may be just the iPhone in a bigger fashion.. maybe some people should stop talking about things unless and until they really know. From what I've seen, it's their version of a netbook. They've NEVER try to compare it to their phone.. to an ipod, or to their computers.. its their OPERATING system and user experience that is just on a different piece of hardware. SO WHAT if it's just a complete touch screen like the iPhone and iTouch.. get it? they like touch screen - which just happens to be the direction everything is going - and you know why? Screen based electronics can be modified and upgraded with software where as a piece of fixed hardware has to be replaced if they want to improve the user input and other fixed parts of the machine.. maybe apple is on to something. Also, remember the tablet PC? The iPad is more so just like that, but with out a keyboard, mixed in with a mac OS based for that platform.. so sue them!

Some people are okay with the way apple runs their software and keeping it pretty well locked down becuase for those that chose to use it, it works for them.. and with as many crashes and blue screens and other crap that windows users experience, when all they want to do is type a letter, surf the web, send email, chat, and do other small tasks, the apple gives them what they want. NOT EVERYONE needs the flexibility of a PC.. There is nothing wrong with a PC/Mac world.. there are different needs for different people and with the fact that no two people are the same, would YOU really want everyone forced into a PC? I prefer the PC over mac anyday, however, there are things that the mac does for me that just works better than the PC. Macs crash, they can get viruses, they're nothing really different in that aspect, but it's the USER'S choice as to what they want - yet you sit here in your post ranting about how you just don't "get it".. the simple answer is that its just not yours to get in the first place.

As for Palm, you may be right about that, to a degree - but Palm, too, is also dangerously treading water right now to stay alive.. maybe they don't want to get beaten down by those that DID get it right and ARE making money. And besides, of course they didn't go off on things they don't condone - that's why you use iTunes to manage your music on the Pre and Pixi.. hrmmmm.

You see things CLEARLY only the way YOU want to see them, and while they may make sense to you, it doesn't mean it's right. Apple chose to keep their platform closed and that business model works for them. While I don't always agree with their decision on what they allow and don't allow on their devices in the app store, I at least understand WHY they make the decisions they do on many of the apps they may not want.. apple wants to make sure that the user experience works.. unlike MS who doesn't care. If you look at the surveys and studies done, apple customers are FAR more happy and satisfied with apple FAR more than any Windows user is. Ever stop to think why? Its becuase apple users get the experience that is sold to them. There is no secret that the mac based environment is mostly closed - so why would I get angry when I buy it knowing that, but WANTING it to be more open? What YOU are trying to do is FORCE YOUR wants and wishes on a company, that quite honestly, you don't care for in the first place. You are one of those soldiers that is trying to force a change on apple.. you CLEARLY like their hardware and things about them, but some of their policies you don't like.. for that, you dont' have to buy them. But you come off like many with this attitude that they not only SHOULD do it more like Windows, but they have to.. in order to be viable. Let me help ya with that.. they are viable as a muther and making good money at it.. they found their customers and they make great money from them.. so why would you want apple to be like Microsoft, a company that has so many angry, pissed off customers that come home at the end of the day wishing they could throw their computers out the window? .. something you rarely hear from a mac user.

You are right, sorry to say, on your last time.. "what DO you know".... and you do only see as you WANT To see it, which is your way is the right way..

Seriously.. I could care less if Mac is closed up tighter than Fort Knox.. I could care less that PC is wide open like our national security and our borders.. in the end, there are two distinct choices for me and everyone else and I get to make that choice knowing well in advance what those options are and what all comes with them.. THAT is all that matters.. *I* am not out to try to make PC more like mac, or mac more like PC. Ever notice that it's always the PC user that's bashing mac and thinks, i mean wants, mac to change? WHY? Why do they need to be more like PC? Ever notice you never hear a mac user crying that PC should be more like mac? .. no.. that's becuase mac people found something that works for them, and they moved on and don't look back and they don't sit there like the walking wounded pissed off and PC for what it is, or how much trouble it was 'for them'... so why are you trying to worry about what apple does, when it's clearly not something for you?
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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

You do realize that one of the few reasons why Apple is doing so well is because they are lying to their customer base by saying they don't get viruses, crash, ect.
What's the lie? Have there been any remote exploits in OS X that don't involve the users inputting their root passwords? Does a virus exist for OS X? As for crashes, in the six years that I've owned my PowerBook, I remember one time that it dumped and I needed to do a hard reboot.
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

But, at the end of the day, what do many people install on a Mac anyways: Windows.
I doubt that very much. Various stats continue to show the increasing number of OS X installs that visit websites. Macs continue to sell like hot cakes. I don't know of anyone that has installed Windows on a Mac outside of a virtual environment. I actually have Windows 7 in VirtualBox on one of my Macs. I only use it for Quicken.
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

Mac's contain PC parts so explain how it is any better.
I agree. The whole Mac versus PC nomenclature is purely marketing. Personal computers and personal computers regardless of the OS that they run.
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

Apple had its chance with the iPhone. It could have put all the other handsets out of business very easily by simply respecting its community of users instead of labeling them as criminals.
Huh? Apple has no need or desire to put the other handsets manufacturers out of business. That's bad for business. Criminals? Are you discussing the DMCA claims about jail breaking? What happened with some of the jail broken phones?
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

If Apple only made their platform open like Windows Mobile was, I would estimate their profit margin would have skyrocketed.
You may estimate, but I know what Apple's profits have done with the iPhone. Throw in the blossoming iTunes ecosystem and you have a recipe for profitable success.
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

what I have been hearing the iPad is just the iPhone in a bigger fashion.
I believe that's a fair assessment. After all, it does run the iPhone OS.

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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

said by openbox9:
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

But, at the end of the day, what do many people install on a Mac anyways: Windows.
I doubt that very much. Various stats continue to show the increasing number of OS X installs that visit websites. Macs continue to sell like hot cakes. I don't know of anyone that has installed Windows on a Mac outside of a virtual environment. I actually have Windows 7 in VirtualBox on one of my Macs. I only use it for Quicken.
What a waste.. Just throw on Windows 98 (or XP) and you're set.

I use Windows 7 here and so far it is the BEST one they've put out. The nightmare that was Vista is finally over.. THANK GOD..

Windows XP is still good, too.. Have a couple systems running it here, mostly the low memory systems.
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What a waste.. Just throw on Windows 98 (or XP) and you're set.
Agreed, but I had a license for Windows 7 and not Windows XP. I would've preferred utilizing Wine and saving a few GB of space, but it doesn't seem to work with Quicken 2010 Besides, I thought I would at least take a look at the new OS before my works forces it upon me.

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Ubuntu/Linux is where its at!! Right on!!!

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This thing is nothing but a crippled eReader with apps that can be done on any netbook or laptop.

I do think you're right, only Apple fans and those of the "I have to have the newest thing and I have money to blow" will buy it.

Will it be a big seller? Maybe, but I don't think so. There's nothing this thing offers me that I can't already do with my Android phone, my iTouch, and my Win7 Dell laptop, all of which go with me everywhere.

And to boot, you have to PAY for an app to even use documents on it, and it can't do more than one thing at once (ie multitask).

Yea, this thing is a winner!
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said by Ericthorn:

This thing is nothing but a crippled eReader with apps that can be done on any netbook or laptop.
Yea.. an eReader.. that and about 10,000 other things, right?

There is a web browser in it, is there not? So you can surf the web can't you?

There is an email reader is there not? So you can get your email can't you?

There is a music player in it, is there not? So you can use it to listen to music as well can't you?

There is a word processor app isn't there? So you can type letters can't you?

There is a spread sheet app isn't there? So you can work on spread sheets can't you?

Hrmmm... sounds like it's more of a netbook than a phone. And the same can be said about netbooks.. they're just over sized chat machines to talk to people on the go, surf the web, or use it as an "eRader" ALL which can be done on our phones.. but who cares about the phone.. why would I want to sit there on the go with a small tiny screen of a phone trying to do this stuff.. maybe I don't want to carry a 17" laptop everywhere I go either. I rode a motorcycle a lot.. maybe I like to have a little more than a phone and little less than the full laptop - that's EXACTLY why I got a netbook.. and for the record, a netbook.. that's windows based. So you come off that apple shouldn't have their competing product? really....
I do think you're right, only Apple fans and those of the "I have to have the newest thing and I have money to blow" will buy it.
You're want to talk about "fans"... do you realize your one-side argument simply makes you nothing more than a fan only its just for your own team.. and why would you care about what others do..? are you just bucking for that one world society where we all have to walk in lock-step? Why do you have to bash a group of people for what they chose to do.. it's their life, not yours - so get over it. And you're absolutely right (not) that it's all about the group of "I have to have the newest thing and I have money to blow".. ummm.. you just described just about MOST consumers.. ANYONE that buys something "new" that comes out.. think about that..! The fact you're pinning this on apple is just bunk!

Look at the android! That came out, it's making a great impact on consumers - but wait.. wouldn't that make those people the "I have to have the newest thing and I have the money to blow" crowd you just slammed? Last I checked, that wasn't an apple product. Please.. spare me and everyone else. Again, I'm no apple fan, I'm just someone that fan see more than one side, and quite honestly don't care what others do, want, or have, so long as THEIR choices don't personally affect MY life and how I choose to live it.
Will it be a big seller? Maybe, but I don't think so. There's nothing this thing offers me that I can't already do with my Android phone, my iTouch, and my Win7 Dell laptop, all of which go with me everywhere.
Again, another example of how you're trying to place what works FOR YOU on to everyone else. Oh, wait.. you have that android phone.. that was one of those things that people bought becuase they had to have the newest thing" isn't it? It's great that having your phone, iTouch and laptop on you at all times works for YOU.. maybe it doesn't for others.. ANYONE with a cell phone is going to carry it.. after that, it's all choice.. maybe some people don't want to lug a laptop around which is why the netbook became somewhat a popular thing.. the iPad is their version of that.. get over it.
And to boot, you have to PAY for an app to even use documents on it, and it can't do more than one thing at once (ie multitask).
SO? You have to pay for it.. big deal! Did you make a stink when every time you have to buy an application for your windows based computer? And, the jury is out on what is being called a "document" as even the iPhone/iTouch have free apps for you to read/write documents on it.. need some pointed out to you? I'm surprised you even go there with that. The "competition" (we're referring to MS) on the WM phones.. ever price their apps? Many starting at $14.99 - ring tones are for some reason more expensive than others costing upwards to $4.99 each... and that same game of solitaire you get for either free or $0.99 in the App Store costs $14.95 for windows?

Think about this one before you go slamming apple for anything...

.. just accept that its something YOU won't want.. won't work for YOU, and you won't be buying.. but WHO are YOU to sit back and judge others for what THEY want? I suppose you're a better person becuase of the choices you make and that makes others less than you?

What I don't understand most is that if this isn't something that works for you, then why is it already a deemed a failure by so many people? .. if it's not for you, move on.

My post has NOTHING to do with support of it or hate of it.. its more of the fact of what I just said in the last two paragraphs.. You're obviously upset about something... it's mostly, to me at least, coming across that since someone made something that isn't for you, then you have to bash it - as if you were wronged by a company.. or, I could read through the lines and say that you really DO like apple products but you are angry that they didn't make it for YOU and you're also jealous. That's how it comes across. Otherwise, you simply could care less and move on.

Yea, this thing is a winner!

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Ericthorn

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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

Well, allow me to retort...
said by fiberguy2:
said by Ericthorn:

This thing is nothing but a crippled eReader with apps that can be done on any netbook or laptop.
Yea.. an eReader.. that and about 10,000 other things, right?
Like you'll actually 'use' more than 10 of them
There is a web browser in it, is there not? So you can surf the web can't you?
Laptop has one, even has Safari on it
There is an email reader is there not? So you can get your email can't you?
Laptop has it
There is a music player in it, is there not? So you can use it to listen to music as well can't you?
Laptop, iTouch, and phone all have it, serioulsy
There is a word processor app isn't there? So you can type letters can't you?
Laptop and phone have it, but like I'd ever use my phone for documents
There is a spread sheet app isn't there? So you can work on spread sheets can't you?
Laptop has it
Hrmmm... sounds like it's more of a netbook than a phone. And the same can be said about netbooks.. they're just over sized chat machines to talk to people on the go, surf the web, or use it as an "eRader" ALL which can be done on our phones.. but who cares about the phone.. why would I want to sit there on the go with a small tiny screen of a phone trying to do this stuff.. maybe I don't want to carry a 17" laptop everywhere I go either. I rode a motorcycle a lot.. maybe I like to have a little more than a phone and little less than the full laptop - that's EXACTLY why I got a netbook.. and for the record, a netbook.. that's windows based. So you come off that apple shouldn't have their competing product? really....
LOL! Wait, you actually bought a netbook? This doesn't compete with a netbook by any stretch. So you have money to burn, good for you
I do think you're right, only Apple fans and those of the "I have to have the newest thing and I have money to blow" will buy it.
You're want to talk about "fans"... do you realize your one-side argument simply makes you nothing more than a fan only its just for your own team.. and why would you care about what others do..? are you just bucking for that one world society where we all have to walk in lock-step? Why do you have to bash a group of people for what they chose to do.. it's their life, not yours - so get over it. And you're absolutely right (not) that it's all about the group of "I have to have the newest thing and I have money to blow".. ummm.. you just described just about MOST consumers.. ANYONE that buys something "new" that comes out.. think about that..! The fact you're pinning this on apple is just bunk!
Learn to type, lay off the huff - I didn't 'pin' anything on Apple.
Look at the android! That came out, it's making a great impact on consumers - but wait.. wouldn't that make those people the "I have to have the newest thing and I have the money to blow" crowd you just slammed? Last I checked, that wasn't an apple product. Please.. spare me and everyone else. Again, I'm no apple fan, I'm just someone that fan see more than one side, and quite honestly don't care what others do, want, or have, so long as THEIR choices don't personally affect MY life and how I choose to live it.
I could just as easily said I have an iPhone that does what the iTampon does, just on a smaller screen
Will it be a big seller? Maybe, but I don't think so. There's nothing this thing offers me that I can't already do with my Android phone, my iTouch, and my Win7 Dell laptop, all of which go with me everywhere.
Again, another example of how you're trying to place what works FOR YOU on to everyone else. Oh, wait.. you have that android phone.. that was one of those things that people bought becuase they had to have the newest thing" isn't it? It's great that having your phone, iTouch and laptop on you at all times works for YOU.. maybe it doesn't for others.. ANYONE with a cell phone is going to carry it.. after that, it's all choice.. maybe some people don't want to lug a laptop around which is why the netbook became somewhat a popular thing.. the iPad is their version of that.. get over it.
Anyone who wants functionality carries a laptop - some of us actually have to work when we travel and nothing replaces that, whether you use Mac, PC, Linux, etc
And to boot, you have to PAY for an app to even use documents on it, and it can't do more than one thing at once (ie multitask).
SO? You have to pay for it.. big deal! Did you make a stink when every time you have to buy an application for your windows based computer? And, the jury is out on what is being called a "document" as even the iPhone/iTouch have free apps for you to read/write documents on it.. need some pointed out to you? I'm surprised you even go there with that. The "competition" (we're referring to MS) on the WM phones.. ever price their apps? Many starting at $14.99 - ring tones are for some reason more expensive than others costing upwards to $4.99 each... and that same game of solitaire you get for either free or $0.99 in the App Store costs $14.95 for windows?

Think about this one before you go slamming apple for anything...
I never slammed Apple. Just the iPad - Apple is a fairly creative company that does some things well, just not this
.. just accept that its something YOU won't want.. won't work for YOU, and you won't be buying.. but WHO are YOU to sit back and judge others for what THEY want? I suppose you're a better person becuase of the choices you make and that makes others less than you?

What I don't understand most is that if this isn't something that works for you, then why is it already a deemed a failure by so many people?
Because it's a pos
.. if it's not for you, move on.

My post has NOTHING to do with support of it or hate of it.. its more of the fact of what I just said in the last two paragraphs.. You're obviously upset about something... it's mostly, to me at least, coming across that since someone made something that isn't for you, then you have to bash it - as if you were wronged by a company.. or, I could read through the lines and say that you really DO like apple products but you are angry that they didn't make it for YOU and you're also jealous. That's how it comes across. Otherwise, you simply could care less and move on.
That really made me laugh.. no really, I mean I really LOL'd at that, in real life.
Yea, this thing is a winner!
Might be for you - my opinion is different
calibax
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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

wowie -- iTampon??

Why would you want to call it names? You sure are going to heck of a lot of trouble to denigrate the iPad - does it threaten you in some way? Do you work for a potential competitor or something?

If you don't like it, don't buy it - there's no need to attack people because they choose to spend money on a product you would not buy.

Why complain that people have money to burn because they have a different value system from yours? One man's meat is another man's poison, and all that. The fact that someone chooses to buy a product you don't like is no skin off your nose ... unless you have an agenda you aren't mentioning.

P Ness
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P Ness

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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

its a step backwards, and everyone thinks this thing is an innovative product, but its nothing more then a profit machine to sell to people whom don't need it.

i think this is why people hate it.
they wanted something really innovative like the iphone...which even that just did thing "better" not really anything innovative just pushed people to make a better product.
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I'd prolly read this mess of a post of yours but you haven't yet even mastered how to use block quoting.. If you can't post a reply here properly, then I think the iPad would be too confusing for you anyway.

What I did pick of your this post, however, was .. well, it kinda went like the Charlie Brown school teacher noise.

Ericthorn
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Ericthorn

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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

said by fiberguy2:

I'd prolly read this mess of a post of yours but you haven't yet even mastered how to use block quoting.. If you can't post a reply here properly, then I think the iPad would be too confusing for you anyway.

What I did pick of your this post, however, was .. well, it kinda went like the Charlie Brown school teacher noise.
No offense, but when you can use proper english, grammar, and spelling, then you can bitch about my lack of block quoting skills.
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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

Offense taken.. not a single spelling error in my post - even the spell checker said so.. so anyway, what ever makes you sleep better at night.

Have fun there.

Ericthorn
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Ericthorn

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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

said by fiberguy2:

Offense taken.. not a single spelling error in my post - even the spell checker said so.. so anyway, what ever makes you sleep better at night.

Have fun there.
Yes, I'm sure in your world, 'prolly' is a real word. Have fun in that universe.

Peace
fiberguy2
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fiberguy2

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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

"No offense, but when you can use proper english, grammar, and spelling, then you can bitch about my lack of block quoting skills."

Hmmmm, so, you picked out "prolly" out of all that huh? You want to know how many people mis-spell PROBABLY as PROLLY when they type fast? It's actually common. But anyway, I'll call your "prolly" and raise you not putting a cap E on "English"..

But, I can see how "prolly" was not used proper ENGLISH, GRAMMAR, and SPELLING... No one likes spelling police. Either way, the bottom line was simply put you had NO response to my post other than to pick out a typo. That's just a sign of nothing worth saying.

Enjoy!

Ericthorn
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Ericthorn

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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

I'm pretty sure your wonderful post said you had not one spelling error.. even the spell checker said so..

Yes, you did have one spelling error.. that's all I pointed out.. if you're too busy to read the responses because you 'type fast', then maybe you should pay more attention. I didn't say I was the best 'quote reply master' or 'capitalization expert'. Sorry if you couldn't read my reply because you can't make out whose quote is what. Hardly my concern that you get it..

Have a nice day!
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said by fiberguy2:

said by Acuity:

This is like a big phone without voice and too crippled to replace a laptop. I seriously have no idea who would buy something like this (let alone pay $30/month for data).
Really????

This is apple's version of the netbook - what don't you guys understand..
It's too crippled to replace a netbook right now. And sorry this Christmas you'll be able to get a netbook with the new Atom 475N CPU which is 1.83 GHz comapred to the 1.66 GHz for the new 470Ns, they will come with 2 GB of DDR3 RAM 250 GB harddrives not to mention things like USB and media crad ports and bigger screens. And also not be locked down in some proprietary system. And oh yeah, be CHEAPER than an IPad

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said by Acuity:

This is like a big phone without voice and too crippled to replace a laptop. I seriously have no idea who would buy something like this (let alone pay $30/month for data).
I know several people who pre-ordered theirs and will pick them up tomorrow. Like you; I don't get it. But sales projections for the iPad are huge:
»news.cnet.com/8301-13579 ··· -37.html
Worldwide sales of Apple's new device are expected to reach 7.1 million units this year, according to a preliminary forecast released Friday by iSuppli. Sales will double to 14.4 million units next year and triple to 20.1 million in 2012, the research firm predicts.
Like they say - a sucker born every minute and Steve Jobs is their Pied Piper.

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I agree and in this economy! Crappy product + crappy network = pure frustration!
fiberguy2
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Re: Too crippled to replace a laptop...

said by Tron4Net:

I agree and in this economy! Crappy product + crappy network = pure frustration!
You haven't even touched the product so you can't say for sure it's "crappy".. and you're not stuck to any one single network... so it's not locked in to anything.. .. not to mention, you don't have to buy one.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark.. you have never purchased an apple product, never intend on it, much less get the iPad anyway, right??? - pretty much like 90% of the rest of the people that complain..

It's funny though, I see more people leaving Windows for apple over the other way around.. I guess people find what works for them and go on living life.. at least apple owners that is.

For the record, I'm a PC, but I do have 2 apple products.

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I don't think so. Apple is not attempting to replace the Mac Book, the Mac Mini, the Mac Pro, the iPod or the iPhone. The iPad architecture is not any less proprietary than the Verizon Netbook. How many hacks are rushing to jailbreak Verizon's netbook so they can use it on Comcast? Compare this to the iPad; at least one has already been written.

In a perfect world all ISPs and wireless carriers would provide the maximum speed and reliability to all users while supporting every architecture ever built.

Realistically, you'll only find it in the movies.

Some day Apple will have the technology to record the time, date and place a jailbreak attempt on every wireless unit it produces. Hopefully by then Apple will have the ultimated nutcracker: the ability to render the device 100% useless once the jailbreak is successful.

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said by Tron4Net:

Ubuntu/Linux is where its at!! Right on!!!
Ugh.. Ya, if you're a n00b at Linux..

I prefer Gentoo myself.

David
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$499

When you can get a netbook from your local wally world for about $200 to $250 less.

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Transmaster
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It doesn't matter.

Leo LaPort at TWiT ( »twit.tv/ ) likes the WiFi model, and unlike most of the "Crab Apples" he was one of the first to actually have played with an iPad. On his latest "The Tech Guy" podcast he was talking about a device that using the iPad's, or an iPod Touch, Wifi connection could communicate through it to any 3G network. It was about a 100 dollars for this wireless interface and then whatever the 3G network you where using charged. Leo is going with the 16 gig model he seems to think that is the best one to get. I have a 16 gig Touch and I have to agree with him. I am going to get an iPad but I am not a "Oh Lord Steve Jobs hear my prayer" type so I don't feel as though I have to go to the Temple of the Apple Store to get one of these Holy's right now, I plan on waiting for about a year before I get one. I am going to stream his show tomorrow, he pre-ordered 4 iPads and he hopes the Fedex person delivers the first 2 while the show in in progress so he can open the box on the "air" and give everyone his impressions of it.
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Re: It doesn't matter.

That's it a MiFi card. Thanks Fiberguy! I had deleted the Podcast Leo LaPort mentioned it on and I couldn't remember what he called them. With one of these devices who cares about the 3G version of the iPad and AT&T.

GlobalMind
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Like all things Apple

Or anything else for that matter, there are those who will buy just because Apple makes it.

There are those who will defend it endlessly, bash those who don't like it as just not "getting it."

And then there are those who don't see it as useful for them and who won't buy it. If you have a Kindle, I rather doubt you'll ditch it for one of these unless you really think you're going to use the extra stuff it provides.

And no it isn't an "answer" to the Netbook. It isn't running apps I'd run on a netbook, because a netbook is still a "real" machine. It's a media device primarily, and that's what it'll be used for. Perhaps in some ways you'll do some docs on it, but you aren't going out and buying desktop apps to install here. Photoshop won't be on this unit.

Of course the Apple culture wants you to believe the iPhone/iPad replaces every device you own....assuming of course you do it as they say. : )

Buy one, don't buy one...who the heck cares except Apple.

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Re: Like all things Apple

said by GlobalMind:

Of course the Apple culture wants you to believe the iPhone/iPad replaces every device you own....assuming of course you do it as they say. : )
That's just it, isn't it? The Appleistas truly believed the iphone replaced nearly every device they owned. Then Steve-O shows them the ipad, waaaaiiiit, hold on a minute, correction: The ipad replaces every device i own. All is well again.

GlobalMind
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Re: Like all things Apple

said by spewak:

That's just it, isn't it? The Appleistas truly believed the iphone replaced nearly every device they owned. Then Steve-O shows them the ipad, waaaaiiiit, hold on a minute, correction: The ipad replaces every device i own. All is well again.
And...not just every device they own but every device Apple produces replaces and surpasses every device created by all other makers now and forever. Until Apple creates a new product at which point the cycle starts again.

N3OGH
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Craig Moffett

When I first saw the iPad (or as I was calling it, the iTampon), I thought it was an instant dud.

But, I think this concept has potential. Particularly in the realm of streaming video, and on board multi media.

I'm not storming out to buy one, and with money tight, I have other things to plow my hard earned cash into. Especially when work just bought me a new laptop.

But I think this device has potential, and I'll leave it at that.

Oh, and the main thrust of my post (besides iPad market penetration, and the fact that I combined thrust AND penetration in a G rated setting )?

Either way you slice it, Craig Moffett is a tool.......

koam
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Re: Craig Moffett

streaming video...as long as it's not Flash video.
decifal7
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not I

I won't be getting one.. Not enough to benefit me to warrenty hunting down wifi's or paying the 30 dollars a month for unlimited service just to have that yanked out from under me just to be billed per byte on a network based machine.. Screw the Ipad

GvilleDSL
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Potential...perhaps down the road.

This will sell regardless because Apple made it pure and simple and Apple fans will buy anything Apple related. I personally have been in the market for either a netbook or a laptop recently but i have no interest in the iPad. There is just too much missing in the current design which is holding it back for what i would use it for.

Perhaps after one or two revisions it will be useful to someone like myself. Until then ill pass.

jeffro
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No thanks.

The only reason this thing will sell is because of the logo on the back of it. Apple could sell shoes and only include one shoe in the box and people would snatch em up like crazy as long as that apple is on the box.
mrsdrgn2
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Verizon network

I can't wait till Verizon gets the iPhone. We will see then how good their network really is. I bet they will crash. All this bad talk about AT&T, but I tell you in my area AT&T is a lot faster and better than Verizon. It's easy to criticize AT&T's network. But Verizon has a lot less traffic on their network.

Karl Bode
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Re: Verizon network

Well, by the time Verizon has to handle the iPhone they'll be well-warned about capacity and given plenty of time to prepare. The comparison at this point isn't exactly scientific...

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Not for me

I was hesitant about getting a iPhone.

My win mo phone died and it would have cost me over $100 more to get the win mo phone I wanted. I got the iPhone 3gs. I'm on my 3rd. Hardware issues galore. The phone is good. I don't think it's the best thing since sliced bread, though.

Unless the ipad drops to around $200 - $300 I won't get one. It would be a novelty to me anyway.

My $225 netbook (acer aspire one, d250 10" screen) is AMAZING. I bought a 9 cell battery for around $60. Lasts 6+ hours. It's in my work vehicle all the time.

We had a server die along with a switch. USB to serial dongle and I was consoled into both. Ethernet to test the switch. I use the thing almost exclusively for work. My Dell D620 is rarely out of my house now. It's much easier to lug this small device 6' into the air to program a switch or AP then it was with the Dell. At $225 it's almost disposeable.

There's two of my primary uses for the netbook. Neither one can be satisfied with the ipad. If I could run terminal and ssh i'd fine more use then it in it's current form.

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NJBoricua75
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How the iPad could be worth it for some...

I was first in line to criticize this product when it was first announced but I actually figured out how it could be worth it. But mind you, worth it for those who currently do NOT already own an iPod Touch, iPhone and do not currently have a cell phone under contract with a carrier.

Buy an iPad 3G with AT&T's $29 unlimited plan. No contract, no credit check, no bull$hit

For phone service you can do this....

If you wanna be ultra cheap, buy the headset/mic combo from the Apple store and you can install the iCall application onto your iPad for voip service. You're limited to 3 minute phone conversations but at least they're free and it works over 3G from what I heard. I think a bluetooth headset might work too.

If you want something more stable, you have some options out there...

I would get a phone from MetroPCS and use their $40 unlimited calls and text plan. Again, no credit check, no contract, no bull$hit and it's $40 period. Taxes and fees already included

$40 + $30 = $70 monthly. I believe thats roughly about $30-40 less than people currently pay just to have an iPhone on AT&T. My friend pays over $100 monthly and he has the 450 min plan.

So I could see how this could work for someone. Maybe a college kid who wants to save a couple bucks or someone who doesn't to have to sign a contract for services.

My only gripes is that the iPad is kinda pricey. There's no Adobe Flash and I would have liked a camera for video conferencing.

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Augustus III
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why would anyone

... buy a big iphone with no memory card slots, flash, proper os, keyboard, changeable batteries, hdmi.

wow

a 200 netbook beats it on all counts.

apple fanbois would of course. hipsters defy logic

t3ln3t
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Death to Ma' Bell!

I, for one hope Apple sets an uber butt-ton of iPads, enough to bring down the precious 3G network, they've "improved".

I'd like nothing more, to see at&t and so many of the people who work there and suck arse, in an unemployment line. The good folks, will find new work easily enough, but the 40,000 worthless management (like Darth Felo and Lerch) will finally be shown how worthless they actually are.

I wouldn't buy a crapintosh, but hey... I'm hoping lots of people do, and sign up for at&t, before jumping ship to Verizon, when the CDMA iPhone/iPad hits America.

Death to Ma' Bell! Down with at&t

koam
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I don't get it.

Who would buy that piece of crap?
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Re: I don't get it.

said by koam:

Who would buy that piece of crap?
Why is it a piece of crap? This devise is aimed at the Ebook market and will sell for the same price as Amazon Kindle DX. The iPad is much more than an Ebook reader. It actually is an Ebook reader and a net book all in one. Apple is about to reinvent the Ebook market. Amazon took one look at the iPad and went out and bought a company that makes touch screens. I am a fan of Ebooks and Ebook readers and am for Apple entry. Let the price war begin.
ShellMMG
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iPad

I got a chance to play with one in the Apple store today in Ann Arbor. My daughter wanted to get her Touch checked (it's having wifi problems), so I toyed with the iPad while there.

I am VERY interested in one. Why? My eyesight is terrible. I've always been extremely nearsighted but am at the age where my optometrist is threatening me with bifocals. I usually take my glasses off for reading but they stay on for arms-length work.

The iPad's icons are naturally bigger than the Touch or iPhone. I found the screen and keyboard surprisingly responsive. The book samples were lovely to use, no lag between turning pages (like some eReaders) and getting to select between two font sizes was very nice. I'd quickly gotten frustrated with my daughter's Touch because squinting is no fun, but I fell in love with the iPad today (and I'm a PC user!).

This isn't what I'd call a computer. It's not going to replace my notebook or desktop, but as someone who does a lot of waiting (I have two teens), I can think of LOTS of times and places where it would come in handy. In the car, on a plane, working in the kitchen, etc.

I DEFINITELY want one.
stardotstar
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Well thats great!

Well thats just great for IPAD folks, while our 3 Blackberrys here in Houston Texas constantly go in and out of 3G service!

Wonder if via computers, ATT is giving priority to Iphones and IPADS!

Snssmis
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3g

Decatur Illinois does not have AT&T 3g yet but I feel they will be able to handle the data when available. Currently, I like my 2 iPads, 3 iPods, and the 10 iPhones my family uses. All devices are all disposable. Just do it responsibly. I have always had pc laptops and desktops. A few Apple 2, 3, iMacs at work and they were all phased out.
iPhone is the best phone yet out of all the treos, palm, blackberries, htc that I have owned since the bag phone days. It is smart, very smart.
AT&T will expand the networks if there are bottle necks. They have the fiber backbone and switching facilities to accomidate.

hdtvtechno22
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3G sucks now

300kbps in chicago where i live
it used to be better!
what happened?
old_wiz_60
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Anyone want to bet on that?

I'll bet that when the 3G version comes out the AT&T network will have serious problems. Thinking that very few people will use 3G is just the kind of nearsightedness that got AT&T into such problems when the iPhone first came out.
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