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AT&T's Stankey: U-verse Build Virtually Over
Company Comments Suggest Build Ends at 55-60% of Homes

AT&T is scheduled to reach 30 million U-verse homes passed by the end of the year with their U-Verse service, or roughly 55-60% of their homes. They will virtually stop there according to President John Stankey speaking at Citibank, who announced 55-60% as their ultimate goal. He suggested that 25-30% of AT&T homes will only be offered ADSL. 20% are "not a heavy emphasis for investment," i.e. 5-10 million of AT&T's 50 million homes are screwed unless they have a decent cable alternative. (Yes, rounding means not necessarily equal to 100 %.)

U-Verse is holding and winning customers much better than I and others expected. People like the Microsoft IPTV interface, with reporters in the Houston Chronicle preferring U-Verse over cable. The result is nearly a million U-Verse new customers a year, while AT&T is bleeding customers where they don’t have U-Verse. They are going from 1-3 meg DSL to 10 meg cable, but the 50 and 100 megabit cable isn’t selling because of the $100 typical price. If cable reduced the 50 meg price to the French or British $30-45, that would change. For now, however, U-Verse is doing well.

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CFO Ritcher told investors "Consumer wireline is growing again, thanks to our U-verse product. We're really just seeing the benefits of scaling the service and it gives us great momentum. U-verse is transforming our consumer results. Where we offer U-verse, our ARPUs are higher, our churn is lower, our customer satisfaction is better across all of our products."

I didn't expect so severe a cutback, and wouldn't be surprised if they reversed it eventually. I checked with AT&T whether Stankey mis-spoke, but not so according to his pr people. Virtually stopping means that in many cities U-Verse will look like Swiss cheese, with 10-50% of homes in holes that can't be served.

I'm guessing that what's going on is that AT&T decided they had no choice but to raise capex on wireless, accelerating the LTE build to prevent falling too far behind Verizon. Expanding U-verse to 75-85% is almost surely profitable after cost of capital, which to a purely theoretical economist would suggest they would just borrow modestly and do both.

Wall Street perceptions make that virtually impossible, however. It's irrational to underlying value, but stocks get clobbered for raising capex if that has a good underlying return. Remember the madness of Wall Street crowds. Even if it's good business to invest, the current mood on the street penalizes you. One day that may turn around, and the street will re-embrace Graham and Dodd and look at the underlying value of the stock. For the last few years, they've emphasized short term cash flow instead, leading to irrationally low investment in networks.

For example, Jason Armstrong of Goldman Sachs wrote "The Bear Case from 4Q10 Results." He feared the stock price would go down with "higher capital spend impacting carrier FCF. Several companies highlighted plans to increase capital spending in pursuit of wireless data growth, fiber-to-the-tower, or higher customer acquisition costs. Notably, companies with active capital allocation policies are among this group, including AT&T, the RLECs, and DTV."

Armstrong believes increased capital spending brings down the stock price even if earnings may go up. I defer to Jason on analyzing stock prices, especially because his peers like John Hodulik see similar. You make money in the market by guessing what investors will actually do, not telling them a theoretical economist would disagree with them. Market distortions like this one have a dire effect on the real world, reducing investment the country needs. They are as irrational as the over-exuberance of tech in 1999, which led to investments that were unsustainable.

Any competent CFO today would tell his boss "Don't raise capex if you can help it."
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Anon

Oh but the reps say...

Oh but the reps constantly swear that everyone will have UVerse.... what a joke. I know they are out to make money but don't lie, be honest the first time around and be done with it.
towermonkey
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Re: Oh but the reps say...

said by See :

Oh but the reps constantly swear that everyone will have UVerse.... what a joke. I know they are out to make money but don't lie, be honest the first time around and be done with it.

It's always possible that the reps are repeating what they're told by the suits, too. When I worked for Big Red, I know they told us a lot of stuff that never came true...

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Anon

Re: Oh but the reps say...

Yeah, I know this was fed from the top. I talked to the executive office multiple times. My business wanted to help fund a UVerse deployment, but they said "That's not possible".

Chrisg100
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Of course they are it is a business not a public service. If it was your money they were investing wouldn't you want your money to be invested where it would make the most return. If you don't then money you invest is called "charity". Charity and investments are two distinct things with different aims.

YeahRead
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Re: Oh but the reps say...

Here is the good part... you ready for it? They have taken grants from the government to wire up towns and only wire up the heart of town or just a part they want.... Peachy still?

I guess you totally missed what I was saying anyways... Don't say "We are going to put UVerse on 100% of our customers" when they knew they wouldn't. I knew they wouldn't but they continued time and time again to give that speech to everyone
openbox9
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Re: Oh but the reps say...

AT&T stated it was going to deploy Uverse to 100% of its customer base?
Bob61571
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Re: Oh but the reps say...

Questions for Dave Burstein:

When were these comments made by these AT&T execs(Stankey/Ritcher)? Today/yesterday/last week/last month?

Where may I read/view/listen to these comments? Do you have links to these sources? If so, please list them.

I don't doubt them, but I would like to see them in other media sources for verification. I have googled for them, but have only found your story(and copies of it).

If correct, those of us in the NON-UVerse areas would like to be able to cite this information for decision makers so that we can lobby for better broadband development in the non-favored 45% of the USA.

Thank you, Dave.
hottboiinnc4
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Re: Oh but the reps say...

Sources would be a good start but what is lobbying going to get you? The Gov't can't impose any builds really- they can attach it to money but that will never happen. As far as the FCC doing anything; that will never happen and can't - as of now and it won't change anytime in the near future.

But if you want sources- you'll have to google them. Sources are never provided.
Bob61571
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Re: Oh but the reps say...

Why would you think that I am lobbying govt? I have some private businesses in mind.

With AT&T U-Verse out of the way, that's one less potential competitor in this metro area. Area Telco's are fractured between AT&T, CenturyLink, Frontier, and little guys. Comcast and Mediacom are local cablecos.

Always believed that AT&T hasn't installed U-Verse here because it doesn't control entire Peoria metro/suburbs territory. Plus, other large local metro(in the Peoria TV market) is Bloomington-Normal. B-N is now Frontier territory.

NormanS
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said by YeahRead :

Here is the good part... you ready for it? They have taken grants from the government to wire up towns and only wire up the heart of town or just a part they want.... Peachy still?

Show me the grants. Please.

siouxmoux2
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I would choose 10/1 Uncapped Cable Net Access over ATT old fashion 3/.5 150 data cap DSL service any day.
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I was told by three AT&T U-verse reps over a period of like years, how wonderful it is; and, it was just about completed on our street...three times I signed to have it installed...three years... I do like the optical TV signals, much clearer and more reliable than their competition, but their Internet speeds never have lived up to their promises. I'm supposed to have a 12Mb downlink and I DO get spurts of 30-50mbs, but when multiple tests are averaged across each of a large number of test servers across the country, my average is ~6-8Mbps.

This is what we get when Republican politicians remove all of the safeguards that kept us from becoming a "Political, Corporate, Military Complex," as Eisenhower forewarned the nation before leaving office.

Anti-trust laws were a large part of our Republic that worked well, as evidenced by the fairly swift break-up of AT&T in the sixties. But, thanks to Republican politicians, "WELCOME BACK AT&T - YOU'RE BIGGER & WORSE THAN EVER!" and the financial market is on the brink of sending us into a depression of such proportions that are unfathomable in comparison to the 20's. "Too Big To Fail" was an excellent reenactment of what put us into our current financial state...and how the mentality remains that will eventually send us over the edge. Big business will now be deciding, for the most part, how future elections will turn out, since the Republican political agenda has made funding of campaigns a limitless and unregulated boon for them all. The Pee Party and extreme right-wing fundamentalists haven't been able to do as much damage as they had hoped, but... Global warming is here to stay and gets worse with each month passing, but there isn't enough brain matter nor concern being evidenced by humans' to make a difference; lack of jumping off the oil nipple and buying all electric, or hydrogen, or any of the few other cleaner alternative fuel powered vehicles. We've seen time and again just how safe nuclear energy really is and how quickly it can escape the confines that we are told will keep us "safe", no matter how well contained and maintained.

The Separation of Church and State should always be clung to; it's there because of religious persecution...but if not kept separate, persecution BY the religious right fundamentalists upon the majority of us is an unthinkable scenario no sane person would ever want to experience.

Oh, well. Live long and prosper, if at all possible! Good luck! Be Happy!!

trparky
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Obviously they haven't seen good HD

Obviously these people haven't seen good HD picture quality. Because UVerse HD picture quality is simply horrible.

I used to have UVerse but when they implemented the Internet usage caps, I quit and went to TWC and haven't looked back. TWC HD blows UVerse HD out of the water!

Oh, and the Internet usage caps? I won't stand for them! TWC, 50 Mbps downstream and 5 Mbps upstream which again, blows UVerse out of the water. And no caps!

MrMaster
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Re: Obviously they haven't seen good HD

I think TWC has very few markets with DOCSIS 3.0. You should be so lucky to be one of their first markets.

Doesn't really matter to me cause I am in Comcast/FIOS area now.

trparky
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Re: Obviously they haven't seen good HD

I know, TWC have been dumping a ton of money into upgrades in my area. DOCSIS 3.0 has been just one of the major improvements in my area.

anthg
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I definitely consider myself lucky. Got so tired of waiting for Uverse in Charlotte and then found out TWC had done all their upgrades to 3.0.

I moved off ATTs 6/ 768k DSL to TWC 30mb/ 5mb faster than you could say UVerse quickly ten times. To the victor goes the spoils...
Joe12345678
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Des Plaines, IL

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comcast cable has 100 Mbps with a 250G cap.

trparky
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trparky

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Re: Obviously they haven't seen good HD

TWC has no caps in place and I love it!

Not that I abuse the connection or anything, because I don't. I just don't like the idea of usage caps in principle. If I pay my monthly fee I should be able to use my Internet connection as I see fit.

If people are found abusing their connection (ie. torrenting all damn day) they should be cut off, plain and simple.

Those users who are using their connection and a lot of bandwidth for legitimate and legal reasons should be able to use their connection as much as they want.
hottboiinnc4
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Re: Obviously they haven't seen good HD

you have a soft cap that they reserve to enforce on the RR and or TWC side of the company. Read your contract that's posted on the NEO/WPA website.
MyDogHsFleas
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I had U-verse TV for 3 weeks on a money-back trial offer, and dumped it and kept my Time Warner Cable TV. My issue was exactly HD picture quality.

I would not go as far as you. U-verse HD is not "simply horrible". For most people it's quite watchable, and is quite adequate for casual movie/show viewing. Also the SD TV is outstanding, much better than cable -- crisp pictures, better STB technology.

But if you are discerning, and really like good quality HD for fast-moving sports, or for aesthetic reasons, it's easy to see that cable/satellite has better HD PQ.

I have lots of friends who have U-verse HD and they're fine with it. It's really us picky AV nerds who see it differently.

hahyeayea
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yeah until TWC implements theyre caps. Get over it, all ISP's will be using CAPS. Running to the next is only putting off the inevitable. Your one person boycott is a waste of time.

LightS
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Re: Obviously they haven't seen good HD

And that mindset is what's allowing this to continue happening.

heat84
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Re: Obviously they haven't seen good HD

+10 And not just in this case. In all situations where people complain about the powers that be but don't do anything about it. I'm still waiting for the hillbilly militias to overthrow the government. I guess they were all talk.

TMMerlin
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said by trparky:

Obviously these people haven't seen good HD picture quality. Because UVerse HD picture quality is simply horrible.

UVerse HD picture quality is far superior to Sat and typical cable.
It was the first thing I noticed when I droped Dish !

trparky
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Re: Obviously they haven't seen good HD

said by TMMerlin:

said by trparky:

Obviously these people haven't seen good HD picture quality. Because UVerse HD picture quality is simply horrible.

UVerse HD picture quality is far superior to Sat and typical cable.
It was the first thing I noticed when I droped Dish !

I suggest you get new glasses, because you need them!

DishNetwork and DirecTV HD PQ is miles ahead against uVerse.

saladbar15
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Fiber?

Maybe if AT&T decided to actually run fiber and make the fiber service worth it (copper service is actually better than fiber for some people) they would see even better results. Plus, if they ran fiber, the consumer would have a much better product.

HaloFans
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Re: Fiber?

Isn't Uverse Fiber to the curb and then VDSL to your residence?

Uncle Paul
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Re: Fiber?

I believe fiber to the VRAD (central box for many customers) then existing copper to the home.

ptrowski
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Re: Fiber?

Oh Uncle Paul...
Some very select locations where there were new builds had some FTTH.

trparky
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Re: Fiber?

FTTH wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that it's just as bad as their FTTN cousins, if not worse, since they (FTTH) have a slightly lower profile and they are just as limited in the amount of HD streams they get.

Now if their FTTH customers were given better service such as higher speed Internet tiers, unlimited HD streams at higher quality/bitrates than those users on FTTN it would make it better to be a uVerse FTTH customer but they don't. FTTN and FTTH customers are treated equally as bad.

Uncle Paul
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Oh Uncle Paul...

It's a new game we play called 'Put the fiber in its Home'. I was teaching it to a boy named Erik, but he was more interested in putting french fries in their home than my fiber....

ptrowski
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Re: Fiber?

It's like your Internet needs more wheat or sumptin...
hottboiinnc4
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many old areas of Ameritech we were built with fiber. never was published on here though. One of those is in Michigan the other is in Wisconsin.

heat84
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said by ptrowski:

Oh Uncle Paul...
Some very select locations where there were new builds had some FTTH.

Yes but its only physical FTTH. Logically its FTTN. AT&T doesn't want class warfare breaking out between FTTN and FTTH users apparently.

alchav
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Oh Uncle Paul...
Some very select locations where there were new builds had some FTTH.

This was only rumors, it was never verified, I have not seen any Post from U-Verse customers that had FTTH. Only from people like Ptrowski that assumed in New Builds that AT&T would go with FTTH. I just think that all the Electronics would have to change to support FTTH. So it would not be an easy transformation.

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Re: Fiber?

Try a new thing called google, it's pretty cool.

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MyDogHsFleas
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said by alchav:

This was only rumors, it was never verified, I have not seen any Post from U-Verse customers that had FTTH. Only from people like Ptrowski that assumed in New Builds that AT&T would go with FTTH. I just think that all the Electronics would have to change to support FTTH. So it would not be an easy transformation.

No, there's plenty of people with AT&T FTTH (or FTTP as they call it -- Fiber to the Premises). Just look around, you'll find them. There's actually some in the next development over from me, that is less than 5 years old. That seems to be about the cutoff point... my development is about 9 years old and had copper laid out, not fiber.

The part that's done is laying the fiber to the neighborhood, and creating and supporting the FTTP offering with existing FTTP customers, including the optical boxes for the houses, etc, etc, etc. These are not small things. The big thing remaining to be done is to overbuild fiber in existing copper neighborhoods. That is a big expensive deal. Replacing the cards in the VRAD boxes is comparatively simple.

alchav
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said by HaloFans:

Isn't Uverse Fiber to the curb and then VDSL to your residence?

Yes, it's Fiber to the VDSL then Copper in. I think AT&T finally sees the writing on the wall. U-Verse Bandwidth is not there for future Products. Netflix is straining the Networks, and AT&T has to change it's strategy. FTTH is the only solution, and the only problem is that AT&T is a Big Ship, and it may take too long to turn things around!
WhatNow
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Re: Fiber?

Uverse comes in 3 flavors
FTTN Fiber to the Node or vrad then copper from the node to the house.

FTTC Fiber to the Curb which fiber is fiber close to the house and on a copper drop to the curb ped. They are just starting this conversion.

FTTH Fiber to the House Fiber all the way to the house.
telco tech
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Re: Fiber?

you are correct. but no matter how the service is brought to your house U-verse still only operates on a 32Meg profile. That is what limits the amount of HD streams you can have, and the download streams you can have. Each HD stream takes up about 6-7 Meg of that profile. so when you have all the streams active there is not much bandwidth left for internet usage. that is the fundamental flaw of the design of U-verse.

plus when people talk about the services HD quality. Its the same thing. the bit compression that they use to "squeeze" the video content makes it look not as good.

the worst part is that ATT made a mistake with mixing fiber to prem and fiber to the node. they should have just went "balls out" and did what Verizon did.

U-verse might be the fastest "relic" ever. which is a shame..I work with it everyday.

Ignite
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French and British Services

It should be noted that both French and British services use protocol based shaping, forbidden in the USA.

That said no reason why someone like Comcast who has a congestion control system and 250GB cap couldn't drop their price for 50Mb considerably apart from that they don't have that much of a need to.

In the UK VDSL2 at 40Mb now and 80Mb next year is being released and is costing as little as $45 for an uncapped, through protocol shaped, service.

Your regulation is some bizarre combination of interventionism and indifference that seems geared towards ensuring the worst possible outcomes.

Protocol shaping isn't some grievous crime against humanity, it is a service differentiator, service A shapes, service B doesn't so people who want unshaped service take B while those who don't care take A, it's all about choice.

Sorry I forgot, that assumes that there is a service B and that there is a choice

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Problem - execs are rewarded for stock price; not earnings

The big problem here is that corporate executives are rewarded by their boards of directors based on the stock price and very little else. When they should be rewarded based on the NPV of future earnings. Execs actions are based on what gives them bonuses. As long as the boards reward stock price and nothing else, how a company is run will be based on the distorted value system.

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Duramax08
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AT&T's Stankey U-verse Build Virtually Over

I lol'd once again.

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Why not us?

There is an at&t Uverse VRAD sitting on the corner of the back entrance of our subdivision. This VRAD services everyone in the area but our subdivision.
Our subdivision was built with fiber to the curb (disc*s pedestals) by BellSouth. Now that at&t has taken over BellSouth, we're stranded with speeds of 6.0/512 now with caps.
We were initially told that Uverse would work on the disc*s pedestals but now we are told no-go and there are no future plans to provide service.
It's not like we live in a bad area of town with low income family homes. Our subdivision is middle class to upper middle class to the "rich" with very nice homes. There are NFL and NBA players living in our subdivision and one of the NBA players actually has a radio spot advertising Uverse, but he can't get Uverse in his home.

Comcast service our area but (IMO) they're hubs are over utilized. Speed tests are no where near advertised.

SMH!!

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kd6cae
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Is ADSL really worth keeping around?

I'm amazed AT&T would purposely want to halt there U-verse deployment and not try to increase it when cable would then get the business and not AT&T. I'll give a perfect example. For a short time I lived in an area served by U-verse, and had the top tier 24/3 package for internet and all the TV channels. Cable's top speed at the time was 20/2, so U-verse was the winner if speed was what you wanted, as I did especially for upload.
Now however, I live just outside a U-verse coverage area, so my options are cable or regular old ADSL. And just this month cable here has upgraded to docsis 3.0, so our top residential tier is now 40/4, while the best I can get from AT&T is 6/768k! Even if I still lived in a U-verse area, as those who are just 3 blocks from me do, cable stil wins now since cable has been upgraded. AT&T could offer at least 30/5 for internet if they wanted, since the line profile is set for 32/5 on a 24/3 tier, but they insist on reserving that extra bandwidth for TV and TV only. Why not just allow everything to make use of the whole line profile? U-verse is an improvement over ADSL by a long shot, at least when it comes to internet and TV. The digital phone in this area wasn't great, but why not at least allow U-verse to be an option to everyone. I mean nowadays choosing between ADSL and cable is almost like going from dialup to broadband. Is it really worth keeping ADSL when you could give all your customers the better option?

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Zulu3
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No Surprise

Normal to do things half way.

CaptainRR
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Blue Rock, OH

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Re: No Surprise

I wouldn't say half way, probobly much less than that. There are a lot of people that have at&t stuck on dialup, like me.
nathill
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Re: No Surprise

said by CaptainRR:

I wouldn't say half way, probobly much less than that. There are a lot of people that have at&t stuck on dialup, like me.

And me. Live within the city limits of Bloomington Indiana, and AT&T offers me dial-up of 24K service. Thanks so much, AT&T.
88615298 (banned)
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West Tenness

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So 40%-45%

Are not only stuck with a max 6 Mbps DSL they are stuck with 150 GB monthly caps. So if at&t refuses to build out u-verse in my area they should expect to lose business to Charter as things like Netflix become more popular.
stridr69
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San Luis Obispo, CA

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Re: So 40%-45%

What sucks BF69 it seems you live in a town similar to mine: either ATT or Charter for HSI. And we have NO u-verse here at all. Nice going, ATT. Glad I left you. You DID have a customer which paid you $140 per month for various services. Not anymore. ATT free since 03/2011.

MagMan
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Westlake, OH

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You missed a street

Funny how this u-verse shit is all around our street, but we can't get it. Thanks AT@T. And I've been a good customer for at least 8yrs.
elmo7
join:2009-12-20
York, SC

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Re: You missed a street

Same here. We don't even have cable as an option. Just ATT. I feel so lucky, esp since that UVerse is on it's way any time now. I mean, they just dug up half the neighborhood some 2 yrs ago now. It would be an easy sell I'd think. They only have to compete against antenna's and dishes, but what do I know.

runzero
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DC

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You don't want it, trust me, especially since they've added caps. If anything, you'd want to look for FiOS, but that's not available in 99% of AT&T controlled areas.

quetwo
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East Lansing, MI

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AT&T's Buildout

Our community's build-out looks like Swiss cheese. Our neighborhood wasn't chosen to get the U-Verse upgrade, and our DSL service can pull in about 1/512 max. Old cables, fairly far from the CO, and nobody seems to care.

The neighborhood across the street got U-Verse. Their median home value is no more than ours. Theirs was the only one within about a 1/2 mile that got it too.

We bought a house in the city so we would have access to modern services. I guess it's good that Comcast is around here so at least we have /something/. Of course, Comcast hasn't upgraded our services to anything above 12 down either....

jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA

jig

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better article writing


a better article would have described "capex" before using the term throughout... especially for a tech audience.
openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
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Re: better article writing

Along with capital allocation strategy and several other financial tools that help companies work. Technologists and business folks are often at odds because neither totally understands the other's position.

hdman
Flt Rider
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join:2003-11-25
Appleton, WI

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What a crock...

Just like DSL, they built out only so far where it made sense, then quit. They are doing the same with U-Verse, yet they take millions from States like Wisconsin for rural build out, but that just goes to built out in suburbs, not the truly rural areas. They then sign fat deals with sat providers like WildBlue so they can prove to the government that they ARE providing last mile solutions....which really aren't solutions.

AT&T, you suck....and if I had another choice for wired phone, I would move...but since you closed that loophole up here locally, I am forced to deal with the overpriced lack of services....
hottboiinnc4
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

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Re: What a crock...

Here is a nice long list of CLECs you can choose from. Closing the local option? Hardly. The only thing that was limited to the public was the option to actually choose any new ISPs to resell ATT's DSL Product. And actually ATT only took the right away to having another provider in the areas where they REBUILT their ENTIRE NETWORK 100% with FTTH. And some of Wisconsin does have those areas. They're not green. Just were chosen under Ameritech/SBC to rebuild.

AlphaOne
I see
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Project Lightspeed

So much hype with project lightspeed stickered on the pedestal in my neighbor's front yard years ago.
And up until now, Uverse is still not available for us.

My hopes were high, and now it's crushed.

Oh well.
hottboiinnc4
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

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Re: Project Lightspeed

that wouldn't be a new build to turn it on. They just have to accept orders for it. The VARD is live and working and actually is consuming power. They just have to say "we'll hook you up". And NO where did they say they weren't turning on new VARDs that were already put out. And we're still waiting on sources for this article.
capteeou
join:2003-11-03
New Orleans, LA

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Europe

Take a look at what they are doing in Europe.

»video.pbs.org/video/1923168761
Madtown
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join:2008-04-26
93637-2905

Madtown

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VRAD sitting near Cross Box

In my neighborhood there is a VRAD (No meter yet) sitting next to the cross box that serves me ADSL. I have strong hopes that they will deliever VDSL (as oppose to ADSL2+) in my neighborhood, considering Comcast Xfinity is available.
itch
join:2008-12-06
Louisville, KY

itch

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u verse build?

I live in Louisville Ky. and am still waiting for U verse in my neighborhood. Does this mean I won't get it now?

Mr Fel
INTJ - The Architect
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join:2008-03-17
Louisville, KY
Asus RT-N66

Mr Fel

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Re: u verse build?

Probably not, they had the VRAD up and running for my neighborhood before they announced the Louisville build almost two years ago now. Talked to an AT&T tech a year and a half ago that was working on it, said that the VRAD was green and ready to go, the only thing stopping Uverse service was AT&T. Fast forward to today, it's still just sitting there doing nothing, and the build is now over. No, I highly doubt it.

Stefania
Jezu Chryste, Kubi
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join:2003-03-17
Chicago, IL

Stefania to itch

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to itch
For what it's worth, I live in the original Highlands and I just got an email the day before yesterday telling me that U-verse is now available. This is after seeing a large army of AT&T trucks in the area. So, as of this very moment AT&T is still investing in the Louisville market as far as I am aware.

maartena
Elmo
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA

maartena

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So.... now that we have reached 60%....

Can AT&T now focus on upgrading that 60% to fiber, so we can actually watch more then 3 TV's and still download at full speed?

Stop milking the copper already.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
Netgear WNDR3700v2
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Want U-Verse? And Cable Internet upgrades?

Get your city to make noise about Muni-Fiber.

Suddenly upgrades will be magically back on track!

Seriously, this is just another sign of our incredibly crappy, non-competitive slave-sumer marker we live in.

We're falling behind faster and faster and paying more and more.
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