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kudos:1 | Noise Levels That is a nifty feature -- I wonder if we'll start seeing modems that can run other loop diagnostics.
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| price wise Yes they replaced the 4100b's and are at the same price they were. Which I think is $49.95+ tax(state)+ s&h (flat:$12.95 typically). It makes it about the same price at your door shipped as opposed to a best buy run. I think at most it's either $1 more or less than a best buy run. I know it's not much greater than that. As far as availability, I would wait about a week or two before ordering so the 4100b stockpiles can be depleted.
Dennis  has one and so far is quite impressed. It don't have a power button but then again, the power cord is not that far away from where the power button was.
Another interesting feature that was pointed out is they are defaulted to "connect on demand" as opposed to "smart keep alive" People with routers may have to go in and adjust this, but it's not that difficult to do and no more complex than the 4100b was.
I am pushing another good idea for just the basic modem is to put a dial-up counter part in it so if you lose sync you can report it and still have dial up capabilities, even though you don't have a dial up modem in your computer. Which some new computers now a days are not coming with dial up modems in them. I am hoping in the near future at&t will consider it. Even if it was just $5-10 more at most, most people would probably consider it because USB dial up modems are around that price and they don't have to add more equipment to the computer or have the computer in the shop to have a dial up modem installed.
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kudos:4 | Looks nice! I do like the look of it. I wonder though if there wouldbe any performance enhancements or just strictly upgrades to the diagnostics. | |
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00000 | how about lower power consumption?
i think lower power consumption would be nice, considering skyrocketing energy costs. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: how about lower power consumption? While it's always nice to save power, I hardly think these devices pull enough to matter. | |
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00000 | Re: how about lower power consumption? sounds a lot like the "my one vote doesn't count" b.s.
it does matter. | |
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1 edit | Re: how about lower power consumption? ..does it?
How much is that router/modem costing per month? and how much do you think you can save?
sounds more like "I want 'my vote' to count no matter what it is" b.s. to me.
It really doesn't matter. The amount of energy they use is pennies. Let's talk light bulbs, televisions, the fridge, water heater and other devices first.. I'll gladly flip to twenty five cents to power a modem.
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00000 | Re: how about lower power consumption? it does. the idea that one device (or vote) makes such a small difference that is not worth considering or changing is defeatism.
the point isn't that there are other devices that use more energy than a modem. of course there are. you successfully managed to list two of the top 3 hungry devices in a typical home.
the point is that even something as small and simple as a dsl modem (usually left on 24/7) consumes power, and reducing the amount of power it consumes has many benefits including saving consumers money over the product life cycle. | |
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It's on the back of the modem, labeled "On-Off". | |
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kudos:3 | "defeatism" ? What kind of a war are you fighting?  I'd first have to be at war with someone or something to be "defeated"... I simply DON'T CARE! It hardly uses any electricity..
When a device, such as this, uses so little energy, it's not worth, IN MY OPINION, worrying about it. I could go off on this topic but it would only anger the moderator gods..
WI Fire said it best.. want it to use less power? turn it off. To do otherwise is "lazy-ism"..
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San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: how about lower power consumption? OK. It would be nice. There was so much talk about replacing modems in these threads, that I was only thinking about replacing modems.
I don't believe it will ever really make sence to replace an existing working current generation dsl modem with a lower power consumption version. This is based on the already very low power consumption of the modem.
Giving a lower power version to new customers to start with does make some sence if the initial price is similar.
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Richardson, TX | Don't know about these new modems, but... the good folks at AT&T told me that the modem that they sent to me when I signed up at my current residence three years ago would cost me $1,500 to replace - and it's a big, ugly, blue-green brick of a thing, manufactured in 1999, that I keep well-hidden from view. Not to say it doesn't do its job or is unreliable - haven't had a single issue with it.
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kudos:70 | Re: Don't know about these new modems, but... Lemme guess you are on Fiber to the curb? is it an old netflex modem? | |
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Richardson, TX | Re: Don't know about these new modems, but... said by David:Lemme guess you are on Fiber to the curb? is it an old netflex modem? Yes... and yes. I hope I never have to make any changes, though - it was enough of an experience the first time around to get it all working properly.
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Dallas, TX | Re: Don't know about these new modems, but... I would have to find and open the box on the 5360. I'll look tonight. That 4060 isn't a USB, its a normal ethernet modem.
Thanks for the heads up. | |
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Dallas, TX | Re: Don't know about these new modems, but... You guys are correct. What I have is a 5260 but in my closet is a 4060 box that's empty. I don't think I've ever had a USB modem.
Maybe with old Winfire.
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Santa Clara, CA | said by bogey780:These look almost exactly like the Netopia 2241 that AT&T SE customers have been getting for almost 2 years now. It is exactly the same case.
Any chance ATT will offer ADSL2+ that the 2241 is capable of? | |
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•Can tell you if you are on interleaved or fast path
•Gives you noise margins on the up and downstream now.
OMG even the crapiest VZ modem I've used has has those stats. Good grief man.
Now AT&T can enjoy a slew of customers calling in to switch from interleaved to fast path.
If I was an AT&T customer and was on interleaved with a good margin still I'd be po'd at them cause fastpath is soo much better for latency.
Good old Westells.... | |
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| Re: VZ modems have had this for ... forever? said by omgVzShillLOLno :
Except VZ customerz have had this for a while now:
•Can tell you if you are on interleaved or fast path
•Gives you noise margins on the up and downstream now.
OMG even the crapiest VZ modem I've used has has those stats. Good grief man. The Speedstream 5100B's they were giving out a few years ago will tell you whether you're on interleaved or fastpath. Noise margins are only on the downstream though, not upstream.
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said by omgVzShillLOLno :
Now AT&T can enjoy a slew of customers calling in to switch from interleaved to fast path.
AFAIK, AT&T defaults to FastPath, unless the line conditions are bad.
I can certainly tell from my SpeedStream 4100, which is the predecessor to the SS4100B, and successor to the SS5100B; all of which offered that information. The only thing those older modems lacked was the up path statistics. See my screen shot.
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Henderson, NV | Single-user vs. Home Networking Sounds similar to a 2Wire HomePortal... | |
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Louisville, KY | Will all AT & T customers Be getting the new Motorola/Netopia 2210 modems ? I live in Ky and am wondering if I qualify for the new modem. Been a Bellsouth/AT &T customer for 4 years. | |
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San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: Will all AT & T customers Note that the original story says that these are going to new customers only unless you order and pay for a new modem.
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North Richland Hills, TX | Looks the same to me. according to the link
»att-training.net/simulator/2210s···dout.htm
It has every thing a few of the speedstream modems i have nothing new. ill have to double check just to be sure when my dsl gets back up somthing knocked it out including my phone line at one point only had .001 volt at my jack.
Can tell you if you are on interleaved or fast path
•Gives you noise margins on the up and downstream now.
•Can do a traceroute, nslookup, and ping of a destination IP or address
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Hollywood, FL | Re: Looks the same to me. My Netopia modem seems to do all those things this one can and looks quite identical. :: Shrugs :: | |
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join:2001-01-26
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1 edit | Re: Looks the same to me.My ancient ZyXEL 642R (circa 2002) can do all that.. and more. Sprint didn't even want it back. Note: It hasn't been reset for quite a while.
Copyright (c) 1994 - 2002 ZyXEL Communications Corp.
Prestige 642R Main Menu
Getting Started Advanced Management
1. General Setup 21. Filter Set Configuration
3. Ethernet Setup 22. SNMP Configuration
4. Internet Access Setup 23. System Password
24. System Maintenance
25. IP Routing Policy Setup
Advanced Applications 26. Schedule Setup
11. Remote Node Setup
12. Static Routing Setup
15. SUA Server Setup 99. Exit
Enter Menu Selection Number:
Menu 24 - System Maintenance
1. System Status
2. System Information and Console Port Speed
3. Log and Trace
4. Diagnostic
5. Backup Configuration
6. Restore Configuration
7. Upload Firmware
8. Command Interpreter Mode
10. Time and Date Setting
Enter Menu Selection Number:
Home> wan adsl
bert chandata close coding
ctrleint defbitmap dyinggasp linedata
open opencmd opmode perfdata
rdata selftest status version
vendorid utopia display rateadap
dumpcondition sampletime noisegt noisemargin
persisttime timeinterval defectcheck txgain
targetnoise maxtonelimit rxgain txoutputpwr
rxoutputpwr maxoutputpwr
Home> wan adsl chan data
near-end interleaved channel bit rate: 0 kbps
near-end fast channel bit rate: 1984 kbps
far-end interleaved channel bit rate: 0 kbps
far-end fast channel bit rate: 512 kbps
Home> wan adsl perfdata
near-end FEC error fast: 0
near-end FEC error interleaved: 0
near-end CRC error fast: 21060
near-end CRC error interleaved: 0
near-end HEC error fast: 4498
near-end HEC error interleaved: 0
far-end FEC error fast: 1
far-end FEC error interleaved: 2
far-end CRC error fast: 9
far-end CRC error interleaved: 1
far-end HEC error fast: 4
far-end HEC error interleaved: 3
Home> wan adsl linedata near
relative capacity occupation: 53%
noise margin downstream: 12.0 db
output power upstream: 12.0 dbm
attenuation downstream: 54.0 db
Home> wan adsl linedata far
relative capacity occupation: 66%
noise margin upstream: 15.0 db
output power downstream: 19.5 dbm
attenuation upstream: 31.5 db
carrier load: number of bits per symbol(tone)
tone 0- 31: 00 00 00 04 45 66 78 87 88 78 88 77 76 76 55 00
tone 32- 63: 00 00 00 00 22 22 23 44 44 45 55 56 66 66 66 66
tone 64- 95: 76 66 62 66 66 55 55 54 44 44 44 44 43 23 23 32
tone 96-127: 20 02 33 44 44 44 45 55 55 55 55 54 55 44 44 44
tone 128-159: 44 54 34 45 54 44 43 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 24
tone 160-191: 32 22 00 22 24 32 23 33 33 22 22 22 22 22 22 22
tone 192-223: 22 22 22 22 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 224-255: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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With all the stats and information you can get from hte prestiege 600 sereies modems. ZyXel series have been the best dsl modems I have ever used. | |
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| Re: Looks the same to me. Actually that person was me and I think the statement was a little out of context for what I meant. it is (to the basic end user, and diagnostic tools wise) the best one we have. The only other one for basic service was a 2wire or netopia that gave full sync readings.
That's what I meant in full context. I do realize and have seen a few zyxels in operation they are sweet as well, but not something at&t offers in the line of products to say a customer with only one computer. This one for just basic customers (one computer) type of customers it's nice.
That's what I meant, there are better modems that take the readings and such, but this is the first time I have seen a normal run of the mill basic modem, include it in the beginning. None of the others we have had, really have. I think the only other basic modems that have done it were the 5260(5600-5660), westell 516, and I think the 4060 as well as the alcatel pc cards.
As far as diagnostics wise, the netopias always had it, the 2wires have always had full sync and even the 2wires showed you the bits per channel on it's diagnostics pages. Those modems/router combos have been advanced for a while. On the contrast end of that how many regular run of the mill basic customers have a netopia at home? 2wire? Sure some customers that have kids probably have them, and even some small businesses. A lot of the bigger businesses sometimes runs the netopia or their own equipment (cisco with adsl WICs)
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kudos:2 | Can business existing users get it for free? We recently got the older modem, is their a way we can get that modem swap for this? Would it make any sence? Does this modem have vpn capability?
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Mcalester, OK | Re: Can business existing users get it for free? I have been using the Netopia 3346 at 60+ branch offices. For commercial service I wouldn't use anything else. I'll be interested in looking at this new model however.
One issue with the 3346 compared to the 2-Wire and Speedstream is it doesn't handle line noise quite as well.
Its strength is the ability to use all 5 available IP's on any device I choose (Netopia calls it gateway mode). | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Can business existing users get it for free? said by bjbrock:I have been using the Netopia 3346 at 60+ branch offices. For commercial service I wouldn't use anything else. I'll be interested in looking at this new model however. One issue with the 3346 compared to the 2-Wire and Speedstream is it doesn't handle line noise quite as well. Its strength is the ability to use all 5 available IP's on any device I choose (Netopia calls it gateway mode). Yes that is what i am using now, but just wondering how the new one compares to the 3346 | |
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North Richland Hills, TX | I have a Netopia and it seems to do well with line noise but i do have the 1000Ma power supply for it. | |
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| said by 81399672:We recently got the older modem, is their a way we can get that modem swap for this? Would it make any sence? Does this modem have vpn capability? 1.) only if you pay for it
2.) Not really, it's essentially the 4100b/5100b/4100. The only differences really are cosmetic, some more internal diagnostic features and full sync readings. That's it.
3.) No it will not do VPN, the most this modem is geared for is for a home dsl with say one computer, or customers who want to use their own 3rd party/custom equipment.
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Mcalester, OK | Re: Does this modem tolerate marginal lines any better??? The Netopia 3346 is not as good as the Speedstream or 2-Wire with noisey line. I'll be anxious to see if this new model is any better. Due to config and features, the 3346 rocks for my commercial account, though. I use it exclusively with AT&T and BellSouth. No other modem allows the use of all 5 usable IP's like the 3346. I hope this new model does as well there also. | |
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David - Do you have any info. on this yet?
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kudos:18 | Re: Does this modem tolerate marginal lines any better??? The Speedstreams are *much* better on marginal lines. | |
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1 edit | Re: Does this modem tolerate marginal lines any better??? ...Has it been confirmed that the 2210's are using the same electronics as the older Netopia's? If so, it looks like I'll be continuing to look for a 4100b on eBay.
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Springfield, MO | Re: ATT SE I have found the opposite, I have had better connections with the 3346, Than any other modem I have come across.
Also Any modem will allow for the use of all 5 ip's if you know how to do it. | |
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kudos:1 | I Have An Old Speedstream 5100 Modem Would there be any advantage for me to switch to the new Motorola/Netopia 2210? My Speedstream 5100 is working fine. Would I get any faster speeds if I switch or just better diagnostics? | |
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