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I got a bridge for sale cheap

I believe it was predicted in the Adelphia forum way back in March that the company was going to crumble and the stock would be worthless, to which we heard replies such as "Adelphia is no Enron"...I won't quote anyone because we all make mistakes in judgment.

It was quite clear that there were major issues with the company to anyone who has had to deal with their famous Ft Worth / Atlanta routing. We were told that Sprint was the cause of all our woes about 8 months ago. Then Adelphia "dumped" Sprint (although I understand they really didn't) and moved us to their own backbone, nothing like getting worse speeds and worse latency for the same $...what a bargain. It now appears that the move from Sprint(or more presicely, moving from a Sprint provided end to end link to simply leasing a piece of Fiber from Sprint) was for cost cutting reasons. Same Fiber, worse problems.

The dozen or so "Yeah, we know Ft Worth / Atlanta sucks" network status updates (along with all of the trouble tickets opened and then closed without actually fixing anything) show that they were fully aware that a problem existed at those points as far back as May of 2001 (that's as far back as I have concrete evidence, but google shows it goes back much further).

I knew there was more going on than meets the eye, but I never thought it was blatently criminal.

If I have learned anything from this fiasco, it is to not get too comfortable in your Job, and keep your resume updated. Good luck to those who depend on Adelphia for their source of income, if you haven't polished up yours, now is the time.
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

I for one, predicted their demise long ago. Anybody that has had occasion to deal with them could see serious issues with the way this company was operated. I'm sure some of you remember me saying long ago that character is a trait, not an isolated incident. In simply judging their "character", based on dealings with many of their departments, it's really no shock that they are in this boat. It's certainly not hard to "observe" liars, frauds, cheats, criminals, and those without any moral fiber in their bodies. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

I think you all will remember my arguments about accountability too

If you don't make yourself accountable, the SEC will...LMAO

My only regret is the innocent employees that will be affected by their lack of morals. They probably used the pension monies to buy the company jet
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Hicker told us

"In simply judging their "character", based on dealings with many of their departments, it's really no shock that they are in this boat. It's certainly not hard to "observe" liars, frauds, cheats, criminals, and those without any moral fiber in their bodies. They have nobody to blame but themselves."

As you have stated on many occasions you called the TAC more than 100 times are you saying that the Adelphia TAC in both Coudersport and Buffalo is populated by liars, cheats, frauds and criminals?

It sounds awfully like that to me.

Perhaps you would like to clarify your comments for the many tech support employees that read this board.

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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

said by hobgoblin:
Perhaps you would like to clarify your comments for the many tech support employees that read this board.


Are the techs at Buffalo and Coudersport going to be made accountable by the SEC?
said by hobgoblin:
As you have stated on many occasions you called the TAC more than 100 times are you saying that the Adelphia TAC in both Coudersport and Buffalo is populated by liars, cheats, frauds and criminals?
And basically 100 times "the powers that be" completely quashed the techs' abilities to do anything to help.

You know damn well I wasn't referring to the techs. Your snide little sarcastic attempts at starting a flame war really aren't appreciated on this board. I think I can say too, that they aren't appreciated by your fellow workers at TAC.
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Hickerx 2 told us

"You know damn well I wasn't referring to the techs. Your snide little sarcastic attempts at starting a flame war really aren't appreciated on this board. I think I can say too, that they aren't appreciated by your fellow workers at TAC."

I am sorry you feel like that. My question to you was not sarcastic or intended to start anything. In fact it was submitted to the moderators before it even reached this thread. You clearly stated that you formed the impression that the company was in the hands of criminals by your dealings with many of their departments. As the Tac was the department you dealt with mostly I was simply asking you to clarify that.
I don't imagine that any of the Rigas family ever closed or saw anyone of your tickets so where does this lying, cheating and criminal behavior that you noticed start and stop.
Are you referring to the local office in your area? The Noc?
The field techs who replace your cable lines and modems?
Maybe those inside people who you claim to know inside the company?
Or was your original post simply rhetoric.

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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

said by hobgoblin:
I don't imagine that any of the Rigas family ever closed or saw anyone of your tickets so where does this lying, cheating and criminal behavior that you noticed start and stop.
Are you referring to the local office in your area? The Noc?
The field techs who replace your cable lines and modems?
Maybe those inside people who you claim to know inside the company?

Well, the Regis family sure as hell made the policies that dictate the responses from the NOC, TAC, local office, etc.

Is it your position that the Regas family is/was totally isolated from the daily operations of Adelphia???

The NOC, TAC, local office, etc. were completely separate entities??

Is it the NOC, TAC, local office, etc. that has let the FW issue go on for years while aggressively adding new traffic there daily???

Maybe you could be the star witness for the defense when the trials start??

Your ignorance is really beyond the point of comical.

Is it your contention that the TAC, NOC, etc. claimed total ignorance about FW for years because they really didn't know of any problems there??

Who is it that tells NOC to close tickets and completely ignore the issue??

Must be that lone terrorist network engineer working completely independently from the Regas family huh??

Or maybe you could tell us why the "we care" department tells me to cancel my service if I expect what I was sold??

Is that the work of this terrorist group that has infiltrated John Regas' office as well??????

You should just give it up. Your mentors have committed crimes and stolen from you just as they have from the rest of us. The game is over, face it. It doesn't say alot about your character when you continue to defend the actions of the Regas'.
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hicker refused once again to answer my question when he produced a long questioning post wich included the following

"Your ignorance is really beyond the point of comical"

Of Course Hick. I have no idea. You from your home in Franklinville know everything from your 100 or so calls to the TAC and reading this forum. Maybe you could be the chief prosecuting witness.

"You should just give it up. Your mentors have committed crimes and stolen from you just as they have from the rest of us. The game is over, face it. It doesn't say alot about your character when you continue to defend the actions of the Regas'"

I am not defending anyone. I am asking you a question based on this statement

"In simply judging their "character", based on dealings with many of their departments, it's really no shock that they are in this boat. It's certainly not hard to "observe" liars, frauds, cheats, criminals, and those without any moral fiber in their bodies."

Which of the departments that you dealt with did you observe liars frauds cheats and criminals?

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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

I have answered your question numerous times. I answered it in the PM from you that I replied to and I answered it in my previous post. I never said that I observed any of the above with regard to the techs. You know it and everyone who reads this thread knows what I meant.

In 100 phone calls, about 75 of which were what I consider serious issues, I got 75 unresolved issues. It is blatantly clear to anyone that has ever dealt with Adelphia regarding "serious" issues, that there are some profoundly shady things going on there.

Now, if you are going to tell me and everyone else that has had the same long-standing problems that our situations were handled in a manner different from Adelphia company policy, and that all of the techs we have talked to were acting completely on their own in doing all of this, ie; closing unresolved tickets, denying documented issues, canceling credits, no show trouble calls, etc, etc, etc, then you might be able to continue this flame attempt. Otherwise grow up and find something more positive to do like sending out resumes.

Now that's 3x that I've answered your question. Each time clearer than the prior. I know from conversations with you and info gathered from others that know you, that Adelphia is your world. I'm sorry for their troubles and your depression but blame them for their low-rent behavior, not the customers.
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It still does not answer my question but I can see its impossible to get any sort of straight answer from you without a whole bunch of rhetoric and personal insults.

I can say that in the time I have worked at Adelphia I have never seen any Adelphia Company policy that tells the TAC to deny credits, set up fake trouble calls and deny issues.
I presume that is what you are insinuating.

I am flattered that you have taken time out of your busy schedule to analyse my posts and Instant messages and even spent time gathering information from I guess people that work in my area. Unfortunately to get a better picture of me you would of course have to interogate people I socalise with. Good luck with finding them as none of them work at the Big A.

In the time that I have spent at Adelphia I have worked hard in a stressful enviroment. I hope that my record speaks for itself. I spend a while in here to educate myself on current issues, help sometimes and amuse myself.
If this makes "Adelphia my world" then so be it.

This quote interested me.

"I'm sorry for their troubles and your depression but blame them for their low-rent behavior, not the customers."

Where did I ever blame the customers?
More rhetoric eh?

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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

said by hobgoblin:
Where did I ever blame the customers?


In every post you've ever made. Adelphia does no wrong in your eyes. You are still trying to save the sinking ship....LMAO

In every post, you make some excuse why Adelphia hasn't done what they should or why the customers are unreasonable for expecting them to do it.

This thread is a waste of time, just as trying to make a point to you...lmao

I think we should take a poll!

How many people reading this thread, understand what I meant by my original post?

How many people think I meant that all the techs were criminals, cheats, liars, etc??

I'll wager you that everybody but you knows what I meant and understands my explaination. Of course you do too but that's not in keeping with your pathetic attempts at sarcasm and flaming.

You're getting funnier by the day Hob. Maybe you should switch careers just to keep you in touch with the rest of society??

Have a nice day:)

You're a funny guy!
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Hicker again blustered trying to save face and said

"How many people reading this thread, understand what I meant by my original post?"

Oh I understood exactly what you meant. You were taking your normal pot shots at Adelphia and not thinking what you were writing, and I called you on it.

"It's certainly not hard to "observe" liars, frauds, cheats, criminals, and those without any moral fiber in their bodies."

"In every post you've ever made. Adelphia does no wrong in your eyes."

and in every post you have ever made Adelphia is the devil itself. You jump into every and any available thread pontificating, even asking those who have good things to say or who have decent speeds to cease posting them. Of course its ok for you to do the complete opposite to me.

"Of course you do too but that's not in keeping with your pathetic attempts at sarcasm and flaming."

Yeah.....some quotes from you in this thread

"Your ignorance is really beyond the point of comical"
"They probably used the pension monies to buy the company jet"
"Otherwise grow up and find something more positive to do like sending out resumes."

I presume all of these are useful and helpful tips you were offering me.

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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

said by hobgoblin:
and in every post you have ever made Adelphia is the devil itself.
And why don't you relate for us what is known about Adelphia at this point?

They have stolen from their customers, shareholders, and employees.

They lied to every entity that they could find to lie to.

They have operated their business without a shred of dignity, morals, class, or accountability.

They have committed criminal acts without regard to their customers or employees.

Pretty close to the devil itself huh?
My long-standing opinion of them has been authenticated. You however, still insist that they got "framed"....you're a funny guy.

said by hobgoblin:
even asking those who have good things to say or who have decent speeds to cease posting them.
How far exactly will you reach?? LMAO
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Hicker again let his fingers run away with him when he typed

"They have stolen from their customers, shareholders, and employees"

Stolen? Where did you read this? I have not seen any reports mentioning that they stole anything. If you think Adelphia has been stealing things from customers and Employees I would suggest you either inform the authorities or maybe contact one of the big daily papers.

"They lied to every entity that they could find to lie to."

Too general a comment and probably libelous. But thats never stopped you before.

"They have operated their business without a shred of dignity, morals, class, or accountability"

Now this is complete BS. I suspect this is your opinion and as such should carry that as a proviso.

"They have committed criminal acts without regard to their customers or employees."

They have? And I presume they have been investigated and put on trial for these alleged criminal activities. Until they do I once again suggest that you restrain your comments in a public Forum.

"My long-standing opinion of them has been authenticated"

Ah ha...your opinion finally. And where can I read this authentication. Are there some trial reports out there for perusal? Have the SEC completed their investigations?
I will continue to believe that a man is presumed innocent until found guilty in accordance with the laws of the land.

"How far exactly will you reach?? "

I have no idea what this comment means maybe you could clarify it. On second thoughts don't bother I am still waiting for the clarification that started this debate.

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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Pathetic!

Have a nice day

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Cant deal with facts eh?

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said by hobgoblin:
Cant deal with facts eh?


Like I said, you get funnier by the day.

I should be asking you that question. Your good judgement(if you have any) is being clouded by something.

Maybe you should drink a few less Miller Lights??...LMAO
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I'll take that as a yes then.

It is clear that you are totally unable to carry on any form of discussion without resorting to insults and personal slurs against me or anyone one else who disagrees with you. This has been apparent throughout the whole time I have been posting in this group. When your pontificating and rhetoric does not stand up to cross examination you fall back on the insult routine whilst complaining bitterly to the world that the other person involved is trying to be sarcastic and flame you.
In every post in this thread you have squirmed about avoiding direct questions and aimed a direct insult at me. I have little doubt you will attempt to do the same to this post.

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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

said by hobgoblin:


It is clear that you are totally unable to carry on any form of discussion without resorting to insults and personal slurs against me or anyone one else who disagrees with you.
How far should I carry on a conversation with a brick wall??

I don't see anybody of reasonable intelligence anywhere denying that Adelphia has done anything wrong..but you.

I love a good debate/argument. Unfortunately, I've never seen you provide one.

Now for the fourth time, I'll answer your questions. I'll try to be abundantly clear, as this seems necessary for you to grasp.

1. If you don't think Adelphia has stolen from their customers, shareholders, and employees, you live in the twilight zone. Why don't you explain how a golf course, furniture store, or piece of timber, etc, etc, purchased with Adelphia funds and deeded to the Regis family is not theft? I'm sure we'd all like to know what twisted logic you'll use to validate that.

2. They haven't lied to everybody??
Why don't you tell that to the NASDAQ, shareholders, SEC, the local franchises that are suing them, their customers, etc, etc. Like I said, the twilight zone again!

3. As I've stated numerous times in past threads, Adelphia maintains no accountability for their business practices. In my case alone, and my vast experiences with closed tickets, TC no-shows, rudeness at Regis' office, promised credits never received, endless billing mistakes, uncooperative local office, misleading advertisement, the FW issue that was completely denied for a year at least, Adelphia's campaign to add as many customers to an already over-burdened network as possible, spending Adelphia funds on Regis' assets. Funds that should have been spent upgrading the network to relieve the problems in FW alone! I can go on for a long time with this point but I think I've made it clear enough(maybe not for you). I see the same experiences posted in this forum from other customers, so that rules out an isolated incident, huh? So where is the accountability, morals, class, or dignity in doing all of these things to their customers??
Explain to us all why you consider this BS??

4. In case you are unaware, falsifying SEC filings and inflating customer numbers in a publicly traded company in order to bolster market valuation is criminal. You can choose to go down with the ship if you want but don't waste everybody else's time doing it!

I have seen almost nothing from you in this forum but sarcasm...ever! Sarcastic remarks toward Adelphia customers trying to make the world think Adelphia is the almighty power and the customer should bow to them for just existing in their community.

The difference between you and I, is that I will freely admit that I have a profound distaste for Adelphia as a company. No doubt, this comes from experience. Most of which are similar to the majority of customers in this forum. I complain about them and I try to let people know what to expect. I may be the loudest, but I'm surely in the majority in this forum. You may call this useless but I think I'm preparing them for their trip to Adelphia land. You on the other hand, always deny that you are defending them with the pretense that you "just asked a simple question". You defend them no matter what they have done, even to this day. Every non-flattering account of Adelphia is met with sarcasm, rudeness, insults, and your accounts of "never getting a call about poor service, only email and client issues", which we all know is a blatant lie.

I have answered your questions for the fourth time now and frankly, don't wish to waste any more time debating intelligent issues with a statue!

I would like to ask that this thread be locked as it's really worthless at this point.

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Thank you for making yourself clear. Let me do the same.

Everything you have posted is either based on uncomfirmed newspaper reports or is your opinion. There are no criminal charges against anyone nor will there be until the investigations by the SEC and other authorities are complete. When they are I will be delighted to discuss them with you until then I suggest you stick to facts or point out that they are just your opinions.

The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution says, "No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law ..." What this ultimately means is that, if charged with a crime, we are considered innocent until proven guilty by the prosecution, beyond all reasonable doubt. It's the cornerstone of the legal system.

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said by hobgoblin:
Everything you have posted is either based on uncomfirmed newspaper reports or is your opinion.
Ummmmm, wrong again. The only part of my post that could be considered conjecture is the reference to criminal activity. That I will give you if you want to stand on technicality. I'll wait until they get convicted before I call them criminals. I will stand on my common sense and not believe that every single thing the media reports about Adelphia is fabricated. If you want to hang on to the last thread of hope against any better judgment, feel free. The other points in my post are absolutely facts that I, and others here have proof of.

As for the fifth amendment, I guess the Regis family is already deprived of life, liberty, and property so it's really a moot point, isn't it?

After all, the technicalities of the constitution haven't helped them keep their happiness or property so far has it??

I'll stand with the masses on this one!
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You think O.J. didn't do it too....right?

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Somebody from rr.com wrote

"You think O.J. didn't do it too....right"

I have always been a great supporter of OJ Mcduffie. I was sad when the toe problem caused him to retire...Yes.

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WEll, while you 2 bicker it out, adelphia is taking a flying leap off the deep end and fast! You 2 seem more concerned about who and how this happened... have you thought about those poor people that have adelphia as their only option... like me? I was stuck to dial up and finally adelphia came thru here like a storm. They were a god sent! I finally had 3 mgs down and 100ish up. Thank the gods and 1 month later they are up on the chopping block! God i really hope they survive, but i really doubt it! Just thought i would throw in my 2 cents while you guys bickered!
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

said by Bane:
have you thought about those poor people that have adelphia as their only option... like me?
Yeah, how about myself!

I wouldn't be too concerned since you live in NY. I predict that Adelphia will retain their systems in NY. I'm actually excited about Adelphia's current situation. I certainly feel for the innocent employees but I think the shrinkage of Adelphia will benefit those who stay with the company.

Even if Adelphia goes totally under(which I doubt), another provider will surely pick us up as all of the infrastructure is already in place. As an on-line sub, you are pretty valuable to another provider.

This "bickering" as you put it, has been going on for a long time between me and hob. Since you've probably not been using this forum for long, you wouldn't know that
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Yeah around here unless you live right in the middle of the town Adelphia is the only choice. Wow that almost made me sick to have to say that. I really hope that a decent company just buys them up so we can have half ass decent service I don't ask to ping everywhere in the 30's but I do expect decent numbers like half the people I know who have cable. Grrr talking about you guys pisses me off!!
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Yeah lastest news is this the whole new england area are getting pings over 400 to 900 in the afternoons, I called them and they said they dont see the problem so just ignore it! I got a question how can i ignore a 900 ping god that is triple what i got on dial up! I am starting to hope they go for the big dive now to , even if it puts me back up on dial up till some one buys them up!

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hate to poke my nose into your little argument.

But to call the allegations of wrongdoings "unconfirmed newspaper repors" is a bit off really.

when the recently elected board members Tow and Schneider just resigned the position they were supposed to help clean up thing from they filed their reasons for doing so with the SEC.

As Scott Schneider and I indicated when we joined Adelphia's board on May 24,
2002, our goal was to do everything in our power to help restore the company's
credibility and stabilize it financially. However, subsequent revelations of the
unreliability of corporate data, as well as the ongoing serial disclosures of
wrongdoing, have made it impossible to contribute meaningfully to the process.


thats definitely not a "uncofirmed newspaper report", its in a legal SEC document, and took em a grand total of 2 weeks on the Board before they realized they couldn't handle all these problems.

i do feel sorry for all the good lower level people who will be hurt from all of this mess, but it is becoming pretty clear that something fishy was happening at the highest level

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Martissimo pointed out

"thats definitely not a "uncofirmed newspaper report", its in a legal SEC document, and took em a grand total of 2 weeks on the Board before they realized they couldn't handle all these problems."

Very good spot. I think Mr Tow has another agenda and that is his reason for resigning. I guess time will tell.

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said by hobgoblin:


"They have committed criminal acts without regard to their customers or employees."

They have? And I presume they have been investigated and put on trial for these alleged criminal activities. Until they do I once again suggest that you restrain your comments in a public Forum.
Hob I know you are trying to be loyal to a company that may have treated you fairly throughout your career.
As a fellow Pennsylvanian, all you have to do is a search of public court documents in the SE PA Counties that Adelphia once served to find support of just such acts. I will let the public record speak for itself.
I can tell you people literally kissed the ground when Comcast took over operations in Radnor, PA. Again, please check the public records.
I personally suffered through years of shoddy CATV and pathetic Adelphia PowerLink service.
Again, it was an unwillingness by Adelphia to put any investment what-so-ever into a very densely populated, extremely wealthy subscriber area.
This is Adelphia's legacy to SE Pennsylvania.
I would like to add, that I can never recall dealing with a CSR at any level who was doing anything less than a professional job.
I do recall the techs trying to lighten me up and they did their best to make the situation as good as it could possibly be. That's all they could do, as most gave it their all. It's unfair to comment that they might be able to "fix" a situation that required substantial investment at a board level.

My heart felt sincerely goes out to the residents in the NW corner of our state. Adelphia must have been an economic pillar of your area. The ripple effect may be catastrophic. I bear absolutely no grudge to the rank and file for Adelphia's debacle in my area. As a matter of record, the decisions made here were by the Regis family.
You really have to wonder. I don't doubt John Regis had a vision that was his labor of love for decades. Perhaps one day we will all find out what made it go so terribly wrong without speculation.

[text was edited by author 2002-06-12 18:44:38]

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"As a fellow Pennsylvanian, all you have to do is a search of public court documents in the SE PA Counties that Adelphia once served to find support of just such acts. I will let the public record speak for itself.
I can tell you people literally kissed the ground when Comcast took over operations in Radnor, PA. Again, please check the public records.
I personally suffered through years of shoddy CATV and pathetic Adelphia PowerLink service."

I remember some of this very well actually. I believe that Adelphia and Comcast manufactured a swap of systems. Radnor for another system in Martin or possibly Stuart County Florida. These sort of swaps take all sorts of time as the swap has to be approved by both of the Franchise Authorities. Whilst the swap is in limbo no upgrades of either system would be carried out. Of course the only real people to suffer are the customers. I don't however consider this to be a criminal act.

"Again, it was an unwillingness by Adelphia to put any investment what-so-ever into a very densely populated, extremely wealthy subscriber area."

Of course it would be in any companies interest to upgrade a system and maximise income from its investment, however as far back as I can remember Adelphia always were looking to get out of both the New Jersey and Philly markets and pick up systems geographically closer to others it held. I can only assume that this was the reason that your area saw little to no investment.

"I do recall the techs trying to lighten me up and they did their best to make the situation as good as it could possibly be. That's all they could do, as most gave it their all."

Were you one of the famous/infamous one way customers?

"You really have to wonder. I don't doubt John Regis had a vision that was his labor of love for decades. Perhaps one day we will all find out what made it go so terribly wrong without speculation."

I ask myself this on a daily basis. I look forward to the day when the full story can be told.

Hob
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BillRoland
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Good riddens to Adelphia. They run the cable system in western Marion County, FL (Dunnellon area), and all I can say is what a bunch of clowns. They're lucky if the cable works 3 days out of the week. The best thing that can happen to those customers would be for Cox to buy that system and upgrade it. No, upgrade implies something there that was already working in the first place, so I take that back. The best thing that could happen to them would be for Cox to tear all that Adelphia crap off the poles and rip it out of the ground and replace it with stuff that works. God knows, the service over there is already so bad, they wouldn't notice a difference while all that was happening. That's my Adelphia story...
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hobgoblin
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Mr Roland told us his Adelphia story which I will restrain myself from quoting parts of.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience Mr Roland, I am surprised you haven't popped in to the Adelphia Forum to complain before now.
Wait a minute...You are a COX customer and a frequent poster in the Cox Forum.
Ah that explains it then.

Hob
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BillRoland
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Haha, yeah, unlike you guys, my service actually works, in fact, it works 99.9% of the time. But, I have a good friend in Dunnellon who has your Adelphia cable, and 75% of the time I'm over there, its out. The techs are clueless, and the service still sucks. You can try to make fun of me all you want to, but I have a real cable company and real service as opposed to crap from Adelphia. Nothing you can say changes the fact that in a few weeks, Adelphia is history. Game over, you lose.
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hobgoblin
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Thank you once again for your interesting comments. I note that you are a Cox Flag waver and I am pleased you are happy with the service they are providing. Adelphia has many satisfied customers in Florida, I dont recall seeing many complaints from the area you mention and obviously without more information I can not comment further. I am sorry that your friend is having such a bad time.

Hob
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TheGuru

join:2002-03-22
Greeneville, TN

"I have personal issues with some of corporates policies but thats between them and Myself. I've never had a ticket refused for latencies above 150ms myself. I'm sure someone might have stated +300ms latencies were 'acceptable' but _I_ personally don't think so and wouldn't settle for anything less then letting those above me know about it."

I think some people just realize that the network problems at adelphia just aren't going to get solved. I mean the big reason the network is in this shape, is because its used more or less to bottle neck the 3mb down offerings from adelphia.

"How can one with a family see weather or not to jump ship or hang tight? It's worse then the most irate individual handing out a verbal flogging."

Since the board of directors quit because there was so much miss-information in the company, I think I would find somewhere else to go. Thats a sign the company is beyond repair.

"Good riddens to Adelphia. They run the cable system in western Marion County, FL (Dunnellon area), and all I can say is what a bunch of clowns. They're lucky if the cable works 3 days out of the week. The best thing that can happen to those customers would be for Cox to buy that system and upgrade it. No, upgrade implies something there that was already working in the first place, so I take that back. The best thing that could happen to them would be for Cox to tear all that Adelphia crap off the poles and rip it out of the ground and replace it with stuff that works. God knows, the service over there is already so bad, they wouldn't notice a difference while all that was happening. That's my Adelphia story..."

My friend we are at the very very bottom. It doesn't really matter who takes us over, there is just no way to loose! =)
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hobgoblin
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

Guru told us amongst other things....

"Since the board of directors quit because there was so much miss-information in the company, I think I would find somewhere else to go. Thats a sign the company is beyond repair"

Two members of the board quit this week. Mr Tow and Mr Schneider. The reasons they gave are public and in an SEC Filing. These two gentlemen were only on the board because as a large shareholder and holding some rights from his sale of Century Cable Mr Tow asked for 3 seats. He was given 2 a couple of weeks ago. As I have said before I think Mr Tow has another agenda that he could not carry out as a director. I post this in case anyone thought the board of directors had quit.

Hob
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TheGuru

join:2002-03-22
Greeneville, TN

"In simply judging their "character", based on dealings with many of their departments, it's really no shock that they are in this boat. It's certainly not hard to "observe" liars, frauds, cheats, criminals, and those without any moral fiber in their bodies."

When you speak to a tech and he tells you that 3000 pings are ok, then my firend you might as well face it that your dealing with a half ass company that is going to do nothing but rape you.

There is also a few techs on this board who would be more then willing to lie for the company. Anyone who trys to make like the problem in FW is on another router is a good example expecially when you see the problem clearly in the traceroute.

"They have? And I presume they have been investigated and put on trial for these alleged criminal activities. Until they do I once again suggest that you restrain your comments in a public Forum."

LMFAO - man your just like mystery... when I want a break from the real... I'll come visit you.

I mean goodness sakes man!
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antiserious
The Future ain't what it used to be
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Scranton, PA

... my 2 cents ...

... since the techs are the ones who have the most frequent customer contact, they feel the brunt of the customer assault ... as people, they may be fine, moral, honest, caring - and I think that's shown by their attempts to help in this forum ... ar representatives of Adelphia, they have to carry out corporate policy ... if CORP says anything above 80 kps is okay, they have to run with that - whether they believe it or not ... if CORP says 300ms pingtime is acceptable, what can they do about it ...

... it's admirable to defend your employer, to a point, but I believe it's becoming clear from a number of legitimate sources that Adelphia does not deserve such support ... they have put so many people in such an untenable position that it's almost criminal ... I feel sorry for everyone caught in the middle of this little soap opera/trainwreck ...

... but let's be fair ... if someone slaps you, do you blame the hand that hit you or the brain guiding it ... I think when most people rail at Adelphia, they mean the decision-makers, not the footsoldiers ... at least, I hope so ...

... okay, I'm done - back to the duel ... ...

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Daishi7
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Re: I got a bridge for sale cheap

I think this thread needs locked...

Kid Bluez
Strumming Da Bluez

join:2001-02-10
fah

Hob, U R still at it I see......this is why staying away and then coming back here, after a long time, is like deja vu. Same old same old remarks which are just slightly on the rude side. Remember, customers are going to be out money too, and will not be refunded, if Adelphia is shut down (it's not like cable is cheap or something). We pay in advance! People are gonna be a bit uptight, and I would think you would have sympathy for that fact.

ps I am sorry that your job is going down. I don't wish you ill.
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