Adelphia shareholders ask judge to block new Execs The five largest shareholders of bankrupt Adelphia Communications Corp. (Other OTC:ADELQ.PK - News) and founder John Rigas have asked a judge to reject plans by the cable operator to hire two executives and pay them up to $41 million in salary and bonuses over three years.
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Under the terms of the package, the executives will be paid up to $41 million in combined salaries, stock options and bonuses. As part of the package, Schleyer will receive a signing bonus of $1.7 million and an annual salary of $1.275 million, while Cooper will get $1.13 million starting fee and $850,000 in salary.
"These front-loaded incentives will not encourage the executives to maximize the value of Adelphia, but, rather, appear to benefit only the company's creditors," the Rigases said in a filing where they also objected to the proposal to move Adelphia's management to Denver, Colorado, from its current home in Coudersport, Pennsylvania.
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In a separate filing, attorneys for the Committee of Adelphia's Equity Security Holders -- which represents five of the largest non-Rigas family shareholders -- also highlighted a penalty fee of $7.65 million which could go to Schleyer if Adelphia chooses not to make him chairman.
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In general, the salary and compensation proposed was "grossly excessive," Kinel told Reuters, adding the total combined packaged worked out to about $6,570 per hour per executive.
"That's way above the going market rates and not comparable to executives at similar companies," he said.
He also noted that both executives were being offered contracts that did not require them to devote their full time to Adelphia, enabling them to take board memberships with other companies and/or participate in the running of other organizations.See the link for the entire article:» biz.yahoo.com/rc/030218/telecoms···_1.html
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kudos:1 | Way to go! Right on, anything to help stop corporate greed I'll go along with. "In general, the salary and compensation proposed was "grossly excessive," Kinel told Reuters, adding the total combined packaged worked out to about $6,570 per hour per executive." That's the understatement of the year, people shouldn't be allowed to make that much, it's no wonder half the world is starving and without basic necessities, a select few are hoarding the goods. Whether the shareholders win this or not, the greedy will have their day of reckoning.
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Way to go! If the salary is judged grossly excessive by the bankruptcy court it will be modified, as it should be. That's the way the system works.
"That's the understatement of the year, people shouldn't be allowed to make that much, it's no wonder half the world is starving and without basic necessities, a select few are hoarding the goods. Whether the shareholders win this or not, the greedy will have their day of reckoning."
If find your socialist point of view without logic or merit and frankly un-American. America was founded on personal freedom and economic opportunity, not socialism or communism. Personal wealth is not a zero sum game. People don't go hungry because others make money. Earnings produced from providing a valuable service or product does not represent greed. The American way is for market forces to dictate value and compensation based on supply and demand. If you disagree, there are lots of other places in the world to live that support your views. Though I think you'll find that the same system you would appreciate that regulates how much money can be made will also regulate your freedom of speech.
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| Re: Way to go! I was wondering how long it'd be before insulted me. You seem only to post when there is money involved, and you always seem to defend those who need no defending. You rarely if ever post anything of help to anybody in the Adelphia forum, sometimes, I think you must be an insecure person, sad or both. Instead of just stating your views, you feel the need to rip into me. I am not mad at you, I feel sorry for you more than anything.
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Way to go! I didn't insult you. I simply stated my view of your opinions. You seem to think that anyone that that expresses an opinion different from yours is insulting you. I am a business executive and a health care provider. These are topics I understand well based on training, education and experience. I post on issues I know something about. One of the problems I have with this format is that too many people post that don't have a clue about what they're talking about. I'm not qualified to post on technical issues related to broadband technology, so I don't.
"I think you must be an insecure person, sad or both. Instead of just stating your views, you feel the need to rip into me. I am not mad at you, I feel sorry for you more than anything."
I have found that people who toss those kind of judgments around are projecting their feelings about themselves onto others. Don't feel sorry for me. You should be so fortunate to live the life I lead. My life is and has been truly blessed.
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| | | "That's the understatement of the year, people shouldn't be allowed to make that much"
Some jobs are thankless in their economic offerings. Others are more stingent. For the record, I don't feel these 2 are worth the cash.. But I have to tolerate whatever shit they throw down the companies throat.
"t's no wonder half the world is starving and without basic necessities, a select few are hoarding the goods. "
I could care less about half the world. We're looking to disarm a nation lead by an individual that has used chemical weapons on its OWN citizens and has invaded its neighbors! Look at the worlds responce! France and Germany who still owe us a great deal of gratitude from the Hitler reign dare spat in our faces!
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| Re: You guys are funny Nice group, I've now been called "stupid" and a "socialist", well, they say the internet can be a treacherous place, this proves it. I think next time, I will "not cast my pearls before..." well, you know the rest 
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Franklinville, NY | Re: You guys are funny said by RR Conductor:
Nice group, I've now been called "stupid" and a "socialist"
Well, we live in a socialist country.....don't be insulted by that.
As far as "stupid"....I think everybody can pick out the stupid one in this conversation.
While I may not agree with everything cpr2k says, he says it with intelligence and obvious experience. That other guy just talks like he belongs in Iraq running the Business Ministry for Saddam Hussein!
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kudos:4 | ILOVELA2 as usual took offence saying
"Nice group, I've now been called "stupid" and a "socialist", well, they say the internet can be a treacherous place, this proves it."
The internet is only a treacherous place if you take offence at well written posts that disagree with you.
People select careers for different reasons, some for their own satisfaction, others to make money. In your first post you stated "people shouldn't be allowed to make that much"
I ask you ...how much should they be allowed to make and what would you do to enforce this.
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San Marcos, CA | "I think you must be an insecure person, sad or both."
"I feel sorry for you more than anything."
"not cast my pearls before..."
You complain about personal insults yet you are the one throwing around personal insults, as usual. You do this when you can't debate an issue or support your opinions with facts or on the merits.
Oh, and just for your personal education, those who believe that the amount of money people make should be regulated and that "the workers" should be running businesses are supporting a cornerstone tenant of the Socialist Party. If you read through the information found in the following link carefully, I believe you'll find that many of the views you have shared in this forum related to business and "the workers" are expressed quite clearly. Also, there's membership information.
Socialist Labor Party of America
»www.slp.org/What_Is.htm
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Franklinville, NY | said by kironyou:
Everything is relative and the work you do ain't sh**. The work the CEOs do is valuable and the work you do isn't. They are like a Ferrari and you're like a Hyundai.
That is the most anti-american, greedy, simpleton, POS I've ever read!
You tell the farmers, policemen, firemen, and soldiers, that "The work you do ain't sh**"! First of all, it shows your complete lack of character and intelligence, secondly, it would probably get you a broken jaw.
You then use a lying, cheating extortionist like Bill Gates as an example of a model executive....that says enough about you right there!
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Everything is relative and the work you do ain't sh**. The work the CEOs do is valuable and the work you do isn't. They are like a Ferrari and you're like a Hyundai.
That is the most anti-american, greedy, simpleton, POS I've ever read!
You tell the farmers, policemen, firemen, and soldiers, that "The work you do ain't sh**"! First of all, it shows your complete lack of character and intelligence, secondly, it would probably get you a broken jaw.
You then use a lying, cheating extortionist like Bill Gates as an example of a model executive....that says enough about you right there!
I was only looking at the economic standpoint of the discussion. Of course there have to be policemen and firemen, but the reason they don't get paid a million dollars is that there are a huge number of people who can do their jobs. Firemen get paid pretty well for what they do because of their labor union and an ever decreasing number of people who want to do the job. If you have the qualifications to be the CEO of Adelphia go right ahead. You seem to be amazed by the amount of money they make. If you worked for Adelphia and your job security was on the line you'd want the best person qualified for the job. If you are a shareholder of Adelphia then you want the best person qualified for the job. Are you willing to pay millions of dollars for a top quality exec or will you go for a guy off the street. If you had any interest in this company you won't go for the latter. | |
| | | | | | Re: You guys are funny I normally don't speak in terms of what I have done or know of but.. I'll let a bit of info hang out why some things 'Just are'. This is *MY* opinion and no comments will be responded to.
"of course there have to be policemen and firemen, but the reason they don't get paid a million dollars is that there are a huge number of people who can do their jobs."
While I was on active duty , I was with SRIG at Camp Lejeune North Carolina. As a Staff NCO with Jump Pay, I pulled in a Whopping 1700$/month. Take that amount minus the 2 bullets I brought home with me, what value would Bill Gates, those 2 CEO's, The Gardner, Myself, You or anyone else reading these messages have ?
It currently costs me 17cents to load a 168grain Sierra Match-King BTHP round. Its good to 1100 certified match yards.
Its not just anyone who can get behind a trigger and plink a pop can at 300yards. Make it a 1 gallon milk jug at 500 yards.. easy right? For some of our services best.. it sure is. For Bill Gates and 99.99% of the rest of this nations populace... its an impossible task. Is our 'Nation of laws' worth 1700$ a month? 2000$ a month? Is there any true pricetag besides 'blood shed by veterans' that could buy the freedoms so these companies could toss big figure amounts to these 'CEO' types?
Factually speaking, and doing the math... I don't think ANYONE is worth more then a Quarter in that respect.
What WILL make someone worth more is how much they bust their arse and show leadership.. something a pricetag cannot be cast upon. When an individual can 'reach down and grab hold' of their intestinal fortitude and push forward when times are hard or against them, only then will you know what they are really worth.
Theres no pricetag that can be put on those individuals.
The presentation of Bill Gates 8hrs -vs- the Gardners is flawed. Its not the amount of work they do, it the amount of work they do that enables OTHERS to profit/exceed/survive along with them because of their efforts.
Gates brought other investors into the mix and cut them a slice of the pie. He networked himself which made others needing his services. When someone needs your services, Your price tag goes up.
Individuals aren't worth but 17cents. Their services, leadership and efforts are the driving costs.
I stand with Hicker on the issue of the Armed Forces, Civilian Authorities, Fire Service and Farmers being the least compensated for what they do for society as a whole.
As one who leased land to a farmer and watched him work that land for 12-14hrs a day, 9 months a year, 7 days a week... to have little to no compensation nor respect given to them.. It disgusts me.
The 'New-2' have done nothing to prove their true worth. They have done nothing to prove they aren't worth whats been offered as well.
For a company thats bankrupt, they are sporting a mighty big pair of stones to be making the offers they are.
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| "I stand with Hicker on the issue of the Armed Forces, Civilian Authorities, Fire Service and Farmers being the least compensated for what they do for society as a whole.
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Then are you willing to give more of your paycheck to these people? Maybe you should stop complaining about how much government workers make when most are complaining about how much they're being taxed. | |
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Franklinville, NY | Re: You guys are funny said by kironyou:
Then are you willing to give more of your paycheck to these people? Maybe you should stop complaining about how much government workers make when most are complaining about how much they're being taxed.
If I had any choice in the matter, you can bet I'd see the people who deserve it, get the big money.
The only problem I have with what government employees make, is what they do to earn it. I'd much rather pay a 30% income tax to fund law enforcement, than to pay some woman to sit in the welfare office handing out checks to those who think they're "entitled"!
I wonder if the welfare department will pay my $800 gas bill this month?
That's where the taxes go, in case you were wondering.
Oh, I almost forgot about the government buy-out of Bethlehem Steel retirees' pensions! We know that those people are more important than anybody else in the country who's lost benefits.
I mostly agree with your views, but when you start belittling the work that the farmers do so you can stay alive, you lose me.
I don't really think you know what work is. If you thing it's having a good business sense, while sitting in your office, earning $7500/day for managing golf dates, you're sadly mistaken.
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| | | | | You hit the nail on teh head bro :
"Then are you willing to give more of your paycheck to these people?"
No.
" Maybe you should stop complaining about how much government workers make when most are complaining about how much they're being taxed. "
Outside of lawmakers/elected officials, Law Enforcement/Firemarshals , The Disabled and the Armed Forces, there should be no 'Government Workers'.
The funding is there to truly compensate those that EARN a living and protect our belovid society.
Grants for the 'Arts' and all the other ploys of 'Redistribution of wealth' really need to be ended. Its legalised class-warfare and unjust to all. Its a dividing spike in our communities.
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| Hicker, what you say is great on paper. But in the real world there is greed. Without greed we would be dead. Without greed America would be nothing. Maybe in your perfect world farmers would live in mansions, but it just doesn't work like that. Adam Smith once said there is an invisible hand in the marketplace. This "invisible hand" determines prices(including labor prices). I am fundamentally against any type of transfer payments(social security, welfare, etc...), but in the real world we need transfer payments to avoid homelessness and crime. But in the end I'm willing to pay the lowest amount possible to government employees because that's what their worth. If you're a government employee and think you deserve more then complain to your union for a better contract, protest, or get another job. There are no handouts in a capitalist society. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: You guys are funny "Without greed we would be dead. Without greed America would be nothing."
That's pretty convoluted logic there, no offense.
"But in the end I'm willing to pay the lowest amount possible to government employees because that's what their worth"
Who are you to decide that?? My dad has worked for the government since 1952, first in the Air Force, then in the Postal Service and now the FBI. You know what, I bet he's done more and worked harder than you ever have. Perhaps you need a cut in pay, you obviously aren't doing a good job if you have time to post in here :P
"I am fundamentally against any type of transfer payments(social security, welfare, etc...)", "Without greed we would be dead. Without greed America would be nothing."
From those statements, I take it you have had no religious upbringing or have abandoned it altogether. This is the quote from my memembers page, and I live by it "And if ye judge the man who putteth up his petition to you for your substance that he perish not, and condemn him, how much more just will be your condemnation for witholding your substance, which doth not belong to you but to God; to whom also your life belongeth; and yet ye put up no petition, nor repent of the thing which thou hast done?", in other words, God doesn't like selfishness.
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San Marcos, CA | Re: You guys are funny "But in the end I'm willing to pay the lowest amount possible to government employees because that's what their worth"
"Who are you to decide that??"
"Perhaps you need a cut in pay, you obviously aren't doing a good job if you have time to post in here :P"
Wait a minute. You don't want someone else to decide what government workers make, but you want to decide what business people or other people make? I'm not debating the pay of government workers, I'm just trying to understand your logic or the absence thereof.
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Franklinville, NY | said by kironyou:
Maybe in your perfect world farmers would live in mansions, but it just doesn't work like that.
I know it doesn't work like that, but it should. IMO, the "lowly" farmer is the most deserving "laborer" in the whole economy.
The reason farmers live like paupers is the government has to give entitlements to corporations like Adelphia, so they can pay execs $7500/day to play golf. Without corporate welfare, more taxpayer resources could be used to fund agricultural programs, which have all but vanished in the last 25 yrs.
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| | | | | " Maybe in your perfect world farmers would live in mansions, but it just doesn't work like that. "
Honestly.. They would rather some good weather or a new tractor. Maybe a better push in the agricultural technology area to make a 14hr day a 13hr one.
If farmers were in to farming for money, they would all sell out and move to a different sector of life.
Most of the farmers *I* know have a high-school education from a back woods/small town school. The hardest math they need to do is book-keeping. They don't read novels or 'higher education' material ( some cant ). They grow up in the middle of no-where on a hunk of land their great grandpa/grandma handed down to the generations and thats all they have.
Its their choice and they have to live with it. Nobody is forcing them to stay out on that farm. Thats the simple truth.
As more and more of these people decide to sell out and move to the 'city' area and get better educations, the cost of food rises due to a lesser supply. Simple marketing.
You dont need broadband like you need a burger to survive. What happens when a pound of beef hits 30$? What about a 5lb bag of potatoes for 50$? Whats gonna happen on those crop rotation years when certain goods just cant be grown?
" but in the real world we need transfer payments to avoid homelessness and crime. "
Total Bunk. In the real world with a true 'free market', the only homeless would be those that didn't have the desire to work. Criminals will always be present, thus the need for Law Enforcement Officials.
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Franklinville, NY | Re: You guys are funny said by kironyou:
This is a fact. Farmers and fisherman are more heavily subsidized than any other industry in the nation.
You'd better look again. Farmers used to be heavily subsidized. Back in the golden days of farming, with government price controls on milk and food crops, farmers made a decent living....those days are gone.
There are only about 10% of the farms now, that there were 50 yrs ago, and virtually every mom & pop farm is gone now.
Ever hear of NAFTA?
That was the dagger in the heart of the american farming industry.
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| | | | | Re:Another Fact Take a look at your statistics and see how much of the whole planets food is produced in the U.S. . Its QUITE a barganing chip our political system can and has used in the past. | |
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| | | The United States can't compete with the rest of the world when it comes to food anymore. It's pretty sad actually because the US used to be the main producer of food in the world. Now I think we have a shortage. | |
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| With a true free market society you wouldn't have anything. Capitalism has shown that it doesn't work without government support. Go research Keynes. He's the most famous economist for the 20th century. He created aggregate demand and aggregate supply. He was around during the depression and said without government control the free market is not the best option. Does the free market care about safety or the enviroment? Does the free market care about competition? What you said Jacks is another fantasy statement.
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| Re: Your honor, I'm just a simple cave man... Well GOD, I don't even know where to start with the comments of ILOVELA2. You said " anything to help stop corporate greed I'll go along with." OK what does that statement have to do with Adelphia trying to hire the best people for the position. I agree the board is offering them to much money but to say "people shouldn't be allowed to make that much" (that's a socialist comment) and then try to make it sound like if Adelphia doesn't pay them all that money, that maybe Adelphia will help the starving population of the world is just asinine. Another nice quote "whether the shareholders win this or not, the greedy will have their day of reckoning" Do you understand that the Rigas' are still the biggest shareholders in Adelphia and the greedy ones(that you are referring to) are the banks that loaned bankrupt Adelphia the money to allow you to post your sub 60ms pings that you are so proud to show off to people and say "this is what you can expect" without adding anything meaningful to the thread.
Quote " you rarely if ever post anything of help to anybody in the Adelphia forum" well looking over your post I see nothing of value AT ALL, a couple of trace routes telling people what to expect and a bunch of trolls.
The next time you cast your pearls maybe you should read your own post and ask yourself what the hell it contributes to the conversation.
Another nice quote " You obviously aren't doing a good job if you have time to post in here". That's real bright and educational are you saying that you don't do a good job(oh I forgot your a professional student) because you post here. You want to blast someone else who has an opinion about what someone should make but when it involves your daddy they are dead wrong, but your original post was about how much someone should make, do you see why you are by yourself on all these debates.
And once again you feel the need to bring religion into the debate when you are out of options, you are so quick to say what should be posted and what should not be posted but when you are challenged to a debate you run and hide and say your higher power prevents you from such. PLEASE go back and look at your post you are a troll.
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Champaign, IL | catchy title here bleh focus on the article.
a company with a record of poor service to it's customers who files cptr 11, and even before cptr 11 used financial excuses as a reason not to upgrade it's infrastructure has no business paying that sum of money for 2 people. It's incorrigible.
yes - I think most of the problems and woes of Adelphia come from mis-management. But if hiring overpriced, part-time chairs isn't mis management of funds, I don't know what is. Their paying them short-term money in hopes of long term success. There's no incentive for them for the long-term, man there's no incentive for them to even be working full-time there. Look at the article. That's quite sad.
that being said any normal company not operating under chapter 11 or with a long list of complaints and poor service it would be a different scenario imho for hiring those two. However given Adelphia's current status and list of troubles I think this is a big waste of resources. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: catchy title here Meeble continued the debate stating
"a company with a record of poor service to it's customers who files cptr 11, and even before cptr 11 used financial excuses as a reason not to upgrade it's infrastructure has no business paying that sum of money for 2 people. It's incorrigible"
Can you produce some hard evidence to back these two statements up please? Or are they simply YOUR views.
Thank You
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kudos:2 | Re: catchy title here Once you become rich, you will always be rich. Getting to the CEO position is the hard part, staying there is easy.
I have no comment on the amount of money those individuals will be making.
But I will say that if Adelphia is willin to spend that amount of money in a given year for them, than better be making a net amount of 3 times that to be able to continue to suceed.
But anyhow.. THIS MESSAGE GOES TO ANY HIGH RANKING ADELPHIA EMPLOYEE, I WILL BE CEO OF ADELPHIA FOR 400,000 A YEAR. KEEP ME IN MIND! | |
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