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| Re: 3 Letters If we repeal Big Media's laws, services like this can begin to thrive.
I wouldn't even give BM their bribery/lobbying dollars back.
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Bel Air, MD | OTA Only? I don't see the problem here with the OTA only networks being broadcasted. They are free for anyone anyways. As a former NJer who now lives in Maryland, I wish I could watch some NY/NJ local programming.
It's when someone tries to rebroadcast cable tv networks that things can get hostile. | |
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| | | Re: OTA Only? said by bnceo:I don't see the problem here with the OTA only networks being broadcasted. They are free for anyone anyways. As a former NJer who now lives in Maryland, I wish I could watch some NY/NJ local programming.
It's when someone tries to rebroadcast cable tv networks that things can get hostile.
If they rebroadcast broadcast content without consent that can also get them in trouble.
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As a former NJer who now lives in Maryland, I wish I could watch some NY/NJ local programming.
A friend with a slingbox is about your only hope. These public services are basically dead on arrival. | |
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| |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | Re: OTA Only? said by fifty nine:If they rebroadcast broadcast content without consent that can also get them in trouble.
This is how they THINK they can beat the law:
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Legal disputes have laid low past attempts at similar services. Ivi TV, a service almost identical to Aereo, was shut down by a federal judge in New York after content providers sued on the grounds that their services, rebroadcast online, were stolen. Aereo plans to work around this sort of entanglement through its network of tiny antennas, thousands of which are arrayed around the borough of Brooklyn. It’s a license to use those antennas, which are receiving broadcast signals, that Aereo customers are actually paying for. Still, Aereo and IAC are bracing for legal disputes.
Just like Ivi, they will lose.
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| | | | | Re: OTA Only? They are slightly different than IVI. They will not allow you to watch the programming out of market. | |
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| | | | | | Re: OTA Only? said by gworkman7:They are slightly different than IVI. They will not allow you to watch the programming out of market.
That's not different from IVI. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: OTA Only? With IVI, I could watch Chicago, NY, LA, Seattle and a couple of other markets in AZ. This company will not allow you to watch NY programming outside of the market. That is different. | |
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| Re: OTA Only? It's different, but I wouldn't expect it to successfully get around the retransmission issue. I see a lot of similarities between this type of thing and the company that was recently shut down that allowed you to "rent" a DVD player for streaming a movie. Clever way of trying to use a loophole to skirt around a limitation, but very low chances of winning any legal challenges.
Now if they got retrans consent from each of the stations, then it would be different. | |
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| said by fifty nine:said by bnceo:I don't see the problem here with the OTA only networks being broadcasted. They are free for anyone anyways. As a former NJer who now lives in Maryland, I wish I could watch some NY/NJ local programming.
It's when someone tries to rebroadcast cable tv networks that things can get hostile.
If they rebroadcast broadcast content without consent that can also get them in trouble. quote:
As a former NJer who now lives in Maryland, I wish I could watch some NY/NJ local programming.
A friend with a slingbox is about your only hope. These public services are basically dead on arrival. Feel free to watch ABC NEWS:
»abclocal.go.com/wabc/livenow?id=7241659
You'd be surprised how many broadcast-tv (OTA) affiliates already stream for free. You just have to look around.. the quality varies, so, YMMV. but compared with $$ PAYING A FEE $$,?!?!?
Insane! Next on the list.. $$ pay cable-tv $$ channels muahahahha! I know of 3 FREE cnn feeds out there already! (plus some others which are rogue streams put up by individuals with cap cards). Content knows no borders.. the internet consumer never had it so good! Just prey they don't try to jack up the price of internet on you once the tech-illiterate catch wind that they're paying $$ HUNDREDS $$ a month on what bleeds for free (legal or not) out there! | |
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As a former NJer who now lives in Maryland, I wish I could watch some NY/NJ local programming.
A friend with a slingbox is about your only hope. These public services are basically dead on arrival. If you have DirecTV and don't care about your real locals call them and "notify them that you have moved to NY/NJ and would like to receive local stations"
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| Re: OTA Only? "Moving" your directv address to NYC will only get someone from out the area the big 4 networks. Everything else is on a spot beam that probably doesn't cover someone more than 100 miles or so from the city. See an example here: »www.satstar.net/beams.html?nid=28238 | |
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14225-2105 | Every time TWC is having a dispute with some local broadcaster, there's news stories and sometimes blackouts. The last one wasn't all that long ago, and I can't remember whether it was WIVB or WUTV. I'm relatively sure it's TWC who pays LIN, Sinclair, or whomever. So, by extension, any entity which wishes carriage (of any sort) must make an agreement with the station owners. Don't forget, any locally produced content, such as WIVB's news, has copyrights, and therefore WIVB gets to decide what's done with their content (if nothing else).
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kudos:1 | I have an HD OTA antenna Which cost me like 20 bucks, and it works. Why would I pay 12 a month to stream the same channels?  | |
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| | | Re: I have an HD OTA antenna Because you can't stick an OTA antenna on a tablet or cell phone and recieve a TV signal. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: I have an HD OTA antenna said by gworkman7:Because you can't stick an OTA antenna on a tablet or cell phone and recieve a TV signal.
Well, that's true. lol | |
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| | | | said by gworkman7:Because you can't stick an OTA antenna on a tablet or cell phone and recieve a TV signal.
Oh yes you can.
You have a few options. I use a slingbox at home. I think there was also a tuner dongle which attached to iPhone and iPad via the dock port. | |
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| | | | | Re: I have an HD OTA antenna Really? This is simple to prove. Show me a link for any device I can plug into my iPhone or Android phone that will allow me to recieve OTA programming with an antenna. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I have an HD OTA antenna Are we really pretending we dont know what a Slingbox is? | |
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: I have an HD OTA antenna said by FLATLINE:Are we really pretending we dont know what a Slingbox is?
The problem is you have to have a slingbox located where the programing you want to watch is.
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| | | | | | said by gworkman7:Really? This is simple to prove. Show me a link for any device I can plug into my iPhone or Android phone that will allow me to recieve OTA programming with an antenna.
»www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/tivi···t-works/
I'm hoping it will be released soon.
However, it seems to be iOS only. Sorry fandroids. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: I have an HD OTA antenna TIVIT looks like a cool toy. Looks like it was at CES 2 years ago and never really saw the light of day. | |
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| said by gworkman7:Because you can't stick an OTA antenna on a tablet or cell phone and recieve a TV signal.
I take it you haven't seen many knock-off iPhones?
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kudos:1 | Re: I have an HD OTA antenna said by joako:said by gworkman7:Because you can't stick an OTA antenna on a tablet or cell phone and recieve a TV signal.
I take it you haven't seen many knock-off iPhones? Ah, the good ol iFake...lol | |
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Valley Stream, NY | I played with it My friend works there so he showed me the early beta.
The difference between this and other "re-broadcasters" that in reality you get your own personal antenna with subscription. Then the signal is processed and delivered to you. They actually have huge array of micro-antennas. Combined with TV-guide like interface and DVR functionality, it works rather well.
It is accessible by HTML5 website, so no need for apps.
It is aimed at people who want to watch OTA programming on the go or people who cannot get decent reception. I think it is pretty cool.
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| | | Re: I played with it said by Tomek:They actually have huge array of micro-antennas. Combined with TV-guide like interface and DVR functionality, it works rather well.
Yeah, sure. An "array of micro antennas" at an "undisclosed location."
*wink wink* *nudge nudge*
They won't fool very many for very long. Certainly that can't fool anyone who understands the laws of physics. | |
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Valley Stream, NY | said by fifty nine:said by Tomek:They actually have huge array of micro-antennas. Combined with TV-guide like interface and DVR functionality, it works rather well.
Yeah, sure. An "array of micro antennas" at an "undisclosed location." *wink wink* *nudge nudge* They won't fool very many for very long. Certainly that can't fool anyone who understands the laws of physics. You don't have to believe me, I saw it. The location is actually in brooklyn.
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| | Nope $12/month vs getting your own antenna and getting the channels for free. They even have recorders for OTA TV so you can DVR your local show. I just don't see this catching on. | |
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| | | Re: Nope They are first launching in NYC. I'm betting a lot of apartment dwellers have difficulty receiving OTA broadcasts. | |
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| Re: Nope said by biochemistry:They are first launching in NYC. I'm betting a lot of apartment dwellers have difficulty receiving OTA broadcasts.
said by biochemistry:They are first launching in NYC. I'm betting a lot of apartment dwellers have difficulty receiving OTA broadcasts.
Major consumer electronic showrooms in LA demonstrate the *inability* to receive all OTA channels, despite having 80' roofs with the best antenna arrays possible.
The average apartment dweller is lucky to get one or two channels, unless they have a rooftop antenna, in which case they can get half. And only the most stalwart cheapskates are going to go through the effort necessary to do any better.
We spent the better part of $600 to make OTA DTV work well (Winegard antenna, rotor, discrete outboard HDTV tuner). in NYC, it would have cost a lot more, with no DIY options.
Given the circumstances, $12/month doesn't seem so unreasonable. | |
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| | | | | Re: Nope $600, I bet that discrete HDTV tuner, that most TV's have HD tuners to begin with nowadays, cost most of that $600 to begin with. 
The average apartment dweller probably isn't going to go the OTA path anyway. If anything they probably have Basic Cable or more. And why would a consumer electronics store be concerned with OTA reception to begin with? As long as they get a few they probably don't care. They are in the business of selling TV's not in it of "Look at how many channels we can pick up". Most around my area, Charlotte NC, have cable to begin with in their show rooms.
OTA isn't cut and dry. You have to do a little research to get the most out of your area. | |
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| Re: Nope said by sandman_1:$600, I bet that discrete HDTV tuner, that most TV's have HD tuners to begin with nowadays, cost most of that $600 to begin with.
OTA isn't cut and dry. You have to do a little research to get the most out of your area.
Plenty of research went into the project, including waiting for the local and not-quite-local stations to settle in on their frequency moves.
The outboard tuner was necessary by the fact that the built-ins wouldn't add stations manually, insisting on scanning all at once, rendering the rotor useless. This solution is admittedly overkill for 99% of the OTA audience, but the purpose was to maintain the status quo - keeping a station that came in fine during the analog era, but faded to black after going digital. | |
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We spent the better part of $600 to make OTA DTV work well (Winegard antenna, rotor, discrete outboard HDTV tuner). in NYC, it would have cost a lot more, with no DIY options.
Really?!? Wow, I put up an HDTV antenna w/ rotator on the roof of my NYC condo for about $200. Did it myself and get around 40-50 channels with a simple ATSC capture card.
The thing that gets me is monthly charges... they add up in the end and before you know it, you are broke. If people thought about the fact that they are paying $1200-$2000/yr on cable, there would be a lot more cord cutters I assure you. So if someone were to ask me if I wanted a 1 yr subscription to Aereo for $144 OR a lifetime subscription for $200... its really a no-brainer. If that makes me a stalwart cheapskate then so-be-it 
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| Re: Nope said by CXM_Splicer: quote:
We spent the better part of $600 to make OTA DTV work well (Winegard antennas, rotor, discrete outboard HDTV tuner). in NYC, it would have cost a lot more, with no DIY options.
Really?!? Wow, I put up an HDTV antenna w/ rotator on the roof of my NYC condo for about $200. Did it myself and get around 40-50 channels with a simple ATSC capture card. The thing that gets me is monthly charges... they add up in the end and before you know it, you are broke. If people thought about the fact that they are paying $1200-$2000/yr on cable, there would be a lot more cord cutters I assure you. So if someone were to ask me if I wanted a 1 yr subscription to Aereo for $144 OR a lifetime subscription for $200... its really a no-brainer. If that makes me a stalwart cheapskate then so-be-it Agreed, monthly charges are to be avoided. But sometimes they make sense - for instance, if you tend to move often, as apartment dwellers do. Or if you don't have the luxury of DIY, or the rights to your rooftop to mount an antenna.
Yes, you can DIY with a decent HDTV antenna and rotor for about $200. In our case, we did a lot more (two antennas), and still had some labor costs.
A majority of households in America gladly pay $1200+/year for triple-play cable or other pay-tv equivalent. It pales in comparison to the $8K grocery bill and the $6K gasoline bill, having 100 useless channels helps to numb the numbness of everyday family life, and its a lot cheaper than marital counseling. | |
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Princeton Junction, NJ | Re: Nope With digital cable, there are hundreds of channels that I don't watch | |
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I work in Midtown manhattan. Even a paperclip works fine here. | |
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join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL | Call me crazy....... but could cable outfits (comcast excluded) somehow partner or give ammunition to these guys to drive a wedge between them (the cablecos) and the local rebroadcast fee increase madness, possibly slowing or stopping fallout like we've seen effecting tw & cablevision customers lately?
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Maumee, OH
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| Re: Call me crazy....... said by kaila:but could cable outfits (comcast excluded) somehow partner or give ammunition to these guys to drive a wedge between them (the cablecos) and the local rebroadcast fee increase madness, possibly slowing or stopping fallout like we've seen effecting tw & cablevision customers lately?
Or will it have the opposite effect and unify all the cable/broadcasters to finally have some ammunition to dump free ota tv. and repurpose those airwaves for other uses. | |
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| | | said by kaila:but could cable outfits (comcast excluded) somehow partner or give ammunition to these guys to drive a wedge between them (the cablecos) and the local rebroadcast fee increase madness, possibly slowing or stopping fallout like we've seen effecting tw & cablevision customers lately?
Nope. Because without the retrans disputes, the cable companies can't foist increases above and beyond their cost increases on you. | |
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join:2001-01-16
Albany, NY | TW does this already no? I hve internet only through TW and everywhere around here if you have a cable line lit for modem you can plug it into your TV and get OTA channels, no antenna. You get the SD and HD OTA transmissions. It is really not bad at all, great quality. | |
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| Won't fly. As an official, real, living, breathing cord-cutter, I can tell you this will not fly. Their price point is too high.
I've become picky about what content I'll pay for. After all, that's why I canceled cable TV. I think most cord-cutters feel the same way.
No-one will pay $12 monthly for something they can get for free with a little effort.
I'll gladly pay $8 / mo for Netflix. I'll even pay for some of the shows available on Amazon. I won't pay for Hulu Plus and their constant barrage of Ads and "web only" content.
Now, let's say Aereo comes along at $5 / month; I could see people doing that. When you are going "a la carte", you have to watch how much you are spending. If you spend too much, you could put yourself right back into the price range of cable or satellite - and probably defeat the purpose of "cord-cutting" to begin with.
For now, I'll stick with my rooftop antenna, HDHomeRun, and MythTV.
The cable and satellite providers may not be losing any sleep yet, but people are starting to wake up and come around. Unless the TV providers come up with a "real" a la carte offering, they are doomed to go the way of the POTS line (a slow but steady death).
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