Airspace For Cell Signals Is A Natural Resource Manitoba tribe seeking revenue for its use Tipped by 72276539 
The Manitoba First Nations tribe up in Canada could be setting precedent with a proposal requesting that they receive compensation for all cell phone signals that pass through their land. Citing airspace to be a resource similar to land or water, the Assembly of Manitoba chiefs is determined to negotiate revenue representing their fair share of the use of the air where transmissions take place.
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  atuarreHere come the drumsPremium
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College Station, TX | I call bullshit This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. | |
|  | | | Re: I call bullshit Well you have to consider this. The FCC "sold" the rights to those frequencies to the cell companies. Where did they get the right to sell the airspace over your house and mine? Because they are the government.
Now you or I trying to collect $$ from a cell company for our air space, sure, that won't fly. But it's because we don't own the airspace, the US Government does.
But an Indian Reservation IS a separate country under the law, so I could see SOME merit in this. It's no different than France selling spectrum, and then England wanting a cut for the signals traveling over England.
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kudos:3 | Re: I call bullshit The injins may be sovereign nations but they are a small "incident" from loosing their nations.
Treatys? In today's era, they're simple pieces of paper which can be run through a shredder.
IN MY OPINION, the indian sovereign nation is just a symbolic thing any more. I KNOW they are sovereign nations but like I said.. symbolic at best.
In the U.S., for example, that could be changed pretty quick.
- Cut them off from the U.S. They don't want the signals? cut them off! Place embargos on them, etc etc. Let them feast from the land.
- They can be starved off in many ways such as they were doing here in MN when the indians tried to flex their muscles.
Largely, we still, as the daddy nations, tell them what they can and can't do anyway. If they were truly sovereign, then why do WE regulate their gambling activity?
Last time I checked, the Indians didn't really have an army.. hell, in SD until recently, it was legal to shoot or kill Indians in groups of 5 or more as it was an old law having to do with a hostile attack.
This whole story is funny.
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit why don't you just say what you're thinking: kill the indians. they interfere with making money. there. is it that difficult to voice what you believe? rather than dancing around it with subtle and not so subtle threats. | |
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit Wow! While you were busy shoving words in my mouth that I didn't mean, it seems that what's on your mind is killing the Indians.
I didn't think that at all.. what I did say, and said it pretty clearly was that their alleged country is symbolic. Like anything else, things can change. The U.S. could at any time take the land from them..
Very simple.. land is fought for, won, and taken all the time. The world's landscape has change much over time. Israel, the continent of Africa, the U.S., etc. etc. Borders change, people loose land.. it's the history of the world. Mexicans are still claiming that the South West U.S. belongs to them, that the U.S. took it unfairly. So?? Too bad. We battled, they lost.. it's ours.
It's life, and it's how things work like it or not. I know there are plenty of bleeding hearts that think we are bullies and need give back what we took.. those same people hate this country, and like Israel, probably shouldn't exist in the way we do today. (Those types can first give up their land and then get lost)
The only way to set things straight is to bring the world back to day one and reset the land to what the cooks of the world think it was.
My post was about the land, not the people.
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| Re: I call bullshit said by fiberguy:Wow! While you were busy shoving words in my mouth that I didn't mean, it seems that what's on your mind is killing the Indians. I didn't think that at all.. what I did say, and said it pretty clearly was that their alleged country is symbolic. Like anything else, things can change. The U.S. could at any time take the land from them.. Very simple.. land is fought for, won, and taken all the time. The world's landscape has change much over time. Israel, the continent of Africa, the U.S., etc. etc. Borders change, people loose land.. it's the history of the world. Mexicans are still claiming that the South West U.S. belongs to them, that the U.S. took it unfairly. So?? Too bad. We battled, they lost.. it's ours. It's life, and it's how things work like it or not. I know there are plenty of bleeding hearts that think we are bullies and need give back what we took.. those same people hate this country, and like Israel, probably shouldn't exist in the way we do today. (Those types can first give up their land and then get lost) The only way to set things straight is to bring the world back to day one and reset the land to what the cooks of the world think it was. My post was about the land, not the people. The Indians messed up , they let the white men come ashore on their land. Every square in of the us belongs to the Indians. They should have killed every one of them when they came off the ship.   | |
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kudos:3 | Re: I call bullshit So with your thinking, maybe the muslims should kill all the Jews in Israel? The Mexicans should kill all the "white men" in the south west U.S.? With your thinking, maybe the whole world should kill each other.
It's survival of the fittest in this world.
And, you may want to do your fact finding, ... Indians were not the first people to settle on what is now called the United States.
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CWCville USA | Re: I call bullshit Oh yeah, who was it then? The Norse/Vikings? I dare you to say that it was them, seriously. Say it was them so everyone can see how intelligent you are. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: I call bullshit I hear a lot of blabbing but nothing worth responding two.
Wow! Twice in the same thread has someone tried to put words in my mouth!
I didn't know I was on Comedy Central's website!
Grow up, little boy.
said by james:Say it was them so everyone can see how intelligent you are. I don't know about that, but I think you just did a great job showing your own lack of intelligence...
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kudos:1 | said by morbo:why don't you just say what you're thinking: kill the indians. they interfere with making money. there. is it that difficult to voice what you believe? rather than dancing around it with subtle and not so subtle threats. sounds good
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| | | | | said by fiberguy:The injins may be sovereign nations but they are a small "incident" from loosing their nations. That is pretty racist!
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| | | | | | said by fiberguy:The injins may be sovereign nations but they are a small "incident" from loosing their nations. Wow, you're RIGHT!
Just imagine if the redskin savage heathens loosed their nation. Why, there would be whiskey bottles and teepees all over the place. No white womens would be safe from the ravaging hordes of loose "injins" full of fire-water!
Oh, wait a second, you meant "losing". See, they aren't the same word, you know. They mean very different things.
Now your comment makes more sense.
It's still a bigoted rant from an ignorant racist, but at least it makes sense.
I think this "air-wave money grab" idea is the second stupidest thing I've heard all week.
Fiberguy's prejudiced Klan-rant is obviously in first place.
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Alexandria, VA | said by Camelot One:It's no different than France selling spectrum, and then England wanting a cut for the signals traveling over England. Given that radio frequencies are generally "line of site" and England is pretty much over the horizon from France, this isn't a terribly valid comparison.
At any rate...
If the Indians want a cut, do it by hosting repeaters. Or, if they want to force the issue, set up interference generators on their territories and turn their lands into cell black holes. If it's important enough, the carriers will try to cut a deal.
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Valencia, CA | said by Camelot One:But an Indian Reservation IS a separate country under the law, so I could see SOME merit in this. It's no different than France selling spectrum, and then England wanting a cut for the signals traveling over England. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
If they want to collect off of wireless / cellular spectrum, tune, and block off that area. Require them have their own country code, border patrol, currency, etc. | |
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Bullshit my ass that's a great idea. So in the same vein I'm suing you for breathing my air!
Hee. | |
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College Station, TX | Re: I call bullshit You don't own air. Did you make the air? The same goes for this. These indians are just riddled with greed. Cell phone signals are not a natural resource. Cell phone signals do not come from the Earth. They come from cell towers.
Again, this is complete and utter greedy bullshit. | |
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: I call bullshit Well that don't matter when your dealing with absurdities. | |
| | | | | | said by atuarre:You don't own air. Did you make the air? The same goes for this. These indians are just riddled with greed. Cell phone signals are not a natural resource. Cell phone signals do not come from the Earth. They come from cell towers. Again, this is complete and utter greedy bullshit. And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because?
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: I call bullshit they won't answer that...but the posters WILL continue fanning their own flames...
im with u cam, how does one party "sell" the spectrum, but another party can't recoup from it being sold? | |
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1 edit | said by Camelot One:And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because? The FCC doesn't "sell spectrum". Under U.S. Law, the electromagnetic spectrum (the portion considered radio, anyway) is owned by the American people, period. The FCC, as first authorized by the Communications Act of 1934, grants licenses to portions of that spectrum under various terms and conditions, sometimes for a fee, and also permits certain unlicensed operation.
The spectrum is a commonly-owned resource, i.e., an owner of real property in the U.S. does not have any ownership of the electromagnetic spectrum in the volume of space above his property.
Of course this is the case for the United States. The story is about a Canadian Tribe, so the FCC and U.S. law is irrelevant. Whether they have a case under Canadian law, I have no idea.
BTW, the comment as to "England controlling signals from France", the coordination of spectrum use between nations is governed by multinational treaty; namely, the Convention and the Constitution of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). For example, the FCC follows slightly different rules in allocating TV and radio station licenses in areas close to the Canadian and Mexican borders, in order to coordinate with those governments. Although as far as the ITU is concerned, this would be an internal Canadian matter. | |
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| said by atuarre:These indians are just riddled with greed. Yeah, the fucking nerve of those Injuns! | |
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CWCville USA | Re: I call bullshit These natives should be entitled to the resources their ancestors had, as per their agreement with the government. I say we give them their cut of the proceeds of the radio wave spectrum, just like their ancestors had. I mean they're just as entitled to that as they are to being allowed to run a real vegas style casino... like their ancestors had of course. Their ancestors didnt settle for none of those video poker machines! so why should they? Also, better be careful, they might urinate on our ancestors with a mighty stream of urine. Also, Hesh wants married sex. | |
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2 edits | Lets have one more civil war. Blue vs. Red states I should get royalties for all the GAS I pass every day. That stuff is hard to produce you know!
FYI the India people do not belive in ownership of nature, the lands they hunt on. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | you cant control where a radio signal goes from an omnidirectional antenna array, so this is a money grab that is all.
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Valencia, CA | Re: I call bullshit Why would anybody be still using omnidirectional antennas for cell service these days. | |
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hiatus | said by atuarre:This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. No, because you have no claim to the airspace above your home or land.
However, indigenous tribes on reservations do because they are considered sovereign nations.
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Stepford, CA | Re: I call bullshit said by bmn:[...]you have no claim to the airspace above your home or land. I don't know how it works in any other State, but actually, in California, yes you do in fact have claim to air rights and ground, as well. Rights to the use of the open space or vertical plane above a property, for e.g.
Ownership of land includes the right to all air above the property. Until the airplane, this right was unlimited, but now the courts permit reasonable interference with one's air rights, such as is necessary for aircraft, so long as the owner's right to use and occupy the land is not lessened. Thus, low-flying aircraft might be unreasonably trespassing, and their owners would be liable for any damages. Governments and airport authorities often purchase air rights adjacent to an airport, called an avigation easement, to provide glide patterns for air traffic.
The air itself is not real property; however, air space is real property when described in three dimensions with reference to a specific parcel of land, as in a condominium unit.
Air rights may also be transferred by way of easements, such as those used in constructing elevated highways or in acquiring scenic easements or easements of light and air. It sounds to me like the Canuck Indians are looking to sell an easement.
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| | | | | | Re: I call bullshit Those air rights are generally for physical occupation by buildings, etc. Those air rights do not include wireless spectrum, which is owned by the people and licensed by the government (in the US anyway).
So no, you're wrong. | |
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit said by soccerguy:Those air rights are generally for physical occupation by buildings, etc. Those air rights do not include wireless spectrum, which is owned by the people and licensed by the government (in the US anyway). So no, you're wrong. I base my above-referenced statements on current California State Law. What's your source?
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit The fact that federal law trumps California state law on this issue. And federal law says the people through the federal government own the spectrum in the air above your property. You do not.
Air rights laws generally refer to development rights, which means physical building and construction, not the ownership of transmission of radio, television, cellular or other type of non-physical media that may pass through or above the property you own.
This is a well-settled area of the law. Perhaps you are misreading the purpose of the California law. | |
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kudos:3 | said by atuarre:This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. Look at it this way. If these Native American tribes wanted to erect their own wireless infrastructure on their sovereign land utilizing those signals, they couldn't because our signals are already in place and interfering with anything they might build.
The more I think about it, the more I think this is based on solid logic.
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| | | | | Re: I call bullshit In a way, it could be argued that the country gave their portion of spectrum away without any compensation. When taken to the extreme though, what happens to satellite transmissions? Would the U.S. have to compensate every country on the planet because of GPS transmissions?
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said by atuarre:This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. Perhaps because your not a Sovereign Indian Nation ? | |
| | | LOL Me thinks they to much "airspace" between the ears. | |
| | | Wha...? This sounds eerily familiar to California trying to get a piece of Directv because of the airspace to beam signals... | |
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kudos:7 | Whatta bunch of crap how is greed a compensatable item? NO ONE owns the earth, just because they are indians and have lived ON the land for 100's or 1000's of years, does not mean that they (or anyone) has a valid legal claim TO it's usage rights. | |
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USA | And if they don't get paid? How will they stop the signals from passing over their land if they don't get a penny? And what of those on the land that rely on their cellphones? Who do they pay? MOney out of one pocket into the other? Sorry Chief Sitting Bull, this is a non-starter.
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00000 | Re: And if they don't get paid? said by bigunk:How will they stop the signals from passing over their land if they don't get a penny? cell phone jammers. buy the big version and let it bleed into non-indian territory. especially near interstate highways, etc. then watch the cell phone companies scream! | |
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Ottawa, IL | Casino Maybe they should stick to casinos, every body loves the casinos.  | |
| | | How completely stupid It's good to know that Canada has as big of a problem with crap litigation and needs tort reform as bad as we do in the USA. | |
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Tulsa, OK | in future news, Manitoba becomes cellular black hole they will sing a different tune when the Canadian government and cell companies give them a collective middle finger and simply don't provide service there. | |
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Midland, ON | Re: in future news, Manitoba becomes cellular black hole You don't live in Canada then. The government won't do a thing to the Indians.
Exp they tend to take over a area and hold it hostage to they get whatever they want. In one area they've taken over a area and it has cost the government something like 180 million cause they have to have cops there at all times. This has been going on a year in the area. The government is just to sissy to do anything about it.
The Canadian government is some of the biggest sissy's you ever want to see. Allot of the land claims are BS cause they have proof the Indians turned them over. However they yell but that was not a fair price. I say to bad it was a fair price then you can't turn around and say that just cause it's worth more now.
Here the Indians were given land free housing and wal-fare.
I call BS there people were the ones who sold it or signed it over. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: in future news, Manitoba becomes cellular black hole we have a similiar problem here...its is just our government has some balls and doesnt let them get away with just anything. | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: in future news, Manitoba becomes cellular black hole And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because?
lol...come on yall, answer!
Stop the Tribal bashing, their different then us so they've GOTTA be stupid, or like FiberGuy said "injins", etc, etc...then begin to think this through.
These "injins" are following the leader! The FCC did it, the injins are a soveirgn state, so they'll do it too! But put a up a fee on the signals they may or may not use to be paid by the providers...Seems like the U.S. did the same shit! | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: in future news, Manitoba becomes cellular black hole Why don't you think anyone answered this?
The FCC has nothing to do with this case since it's in Canada.
However, if this was a U.S. issue, another post already explained that the electromagnetic spectrum is owned by the people. The government is of the people and the FCC is of the government. What's the problem? | |
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1 edit | OK in a update on the radio on my way to pick up wife heard the government is now giving this group 125 million dollars and the group said it's not enough but a start.
God Canada makes me sick sometimes. | |
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1 edit | What about aircraft??? If you extend the premise that they should be able to charge for invisible, "etherborne wavicles" traveling above their land, how about charging a toll for every aircraft that overflies same! At least, with a very powerful telescope, they could get the tail number and substantiate that something did, indeed cross their property.
How the heck would they even know what cell phone signals were crossing above them - wait, unless they had records of signals communicating with towers, on their land, for which they are probably getting thousands of dollars, per month, per tower, in land rental fees!
For Pete's sake! I think someone in that tribe was doing a little too much peyote (importing it from SW USA - is that drugs across international borders - maybe the US and Canadian DEAs -or whatever the Canucks, no offense intended by that name, call it- should look into that?).
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: What about aircraft??? And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because?
sorry, but noone hasyet too nswer that!
Think its safe to bring out the:
GOTCHa!!!!!
wagon...
see, the US Governement and FCC makes monies by selling various spectrums to private companies to try to establish "competition" which ALWAYS means one or two companies...fun huh?
This native american tribe's been around longer then us, so they've got to be given respect for lasting this long. Hence why I side with them in saying:
"And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because?"
I also agree, but up a few cell phone blocking mechanisms, and watch the providers come a running with a "solution". | |
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Havertown, PA | Re: What about aircraft??? said by FiL:And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because? sorry, but noone hasyet too nswer that! Think its safe to bring out the: GOTCHa!!!!! What the heck does the FCC have to do with this??? It's a Canadian thing! That's not to say that an American Indian tribe may not get the same idea.
Secondly, the FCC doesn't "sell" spectrum, it "licenses" it for a fee. For some uses, the fee is $0, for others, it's hefty - depends on the application and total bandwidth consumed. If there weren't some control exercised over frequency usage, the airwaves would be chaos, as some bands already are.
Again, I ask: How can the Indians PROVE that any given cell phone signal actually passed over their lands?
If they put up jamming equipment, the cell phone companies wouldn't need to do anything. That stuff would be shut down pretty quickly by the gov't.
Secondly: If there are cell towers on their lands, you can bet your last nickel that they are already being compensated, and very well, for the use of that ground and they told the cell provider where it was allowed to be erected.
If you want to see how much say Native Americans have over the use of their land, take a trip up to Kitt Peak Observatory in AZ and stay on the mountain after 4 PM, even accidentally. You'll find out just how much control they have over the contents of your wallet.
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: What's that in snow lol...but man, you do edit, and edit, then RE-edit the edit...
don't think your first thoughts are gonna be funny enough pal?lol...grow some balls! hehe | |
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| | actually The tribes are treated as their own nation right?
So why is it Canada can have sell its own airwave rights but an Indian Nation Can't? It makes sense actually. | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: actually looks like you get it!
But then again, KathrynV needs to PLACE LINKS IN STORIES PUT UP ON THE FRONT PAGE, otherwise its hear say...This turned out being a hot topic, put up a damn link why dont you...
Again, with the slogan:
Why can the FCC sell the spectrum, or even Canadian version of FCC sell spectrum but these natives cant do likewise? | |
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Keller, TX | Re: actually quote:
Why can the FCC sell the spectrum, or even Canadian version of FCC sell spectrum but these natives cant do likewise?
The Native Americans in question don't want to sell spectrum. They want to collect from those already using the spectrum under Canadian law. Two completely different things. If they want to sell use of the spectrum within their own "borders" then they should begin to do so immediately and let the courts sort it out. I have a feeling that's not going to happen.
... and to answer your question:
The FCC can license spectrum use because they are an agency of the government we elect to manage our collective national resources. Airspace is one of those resources. | |
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| | BS Can't we give them tinfoil hats? Or better yet, but up a big tinfoil fence around the perimiter of 'their' land. | |
| | | national debt the U.S. is owed a lot of money if this is the case. Say goodbye to national debt...lol, but this will never happen. | |
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Miami, FL | Ha *cut*
Mommy, why is the tv not working? I want to see spongebob.
Because we want to charge for air space so now the government has blocked all wireless traffic from entering this area.
Mommy what is government?
The devil my child.
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1 edit | Re: BS If the tribes managed to enforce this and they wanted a ton of money, cell companies would surround their territory with strategically placed cell towers that ensured signals did not pass through their territory. Sure it would be expensive for them to erect the towers but they'll do whatever costs less. | |
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| *sigh* Indians, in Quebec for example, are drunks who see no need to get a job (except selling cigarettes) who pay no taxes and receive millions in compensation, while wasting our tax dollars. They break Ski-Doo ? No problem. Instead of repairing it, they buy a new one. They however are never satisfied, and will block bridges and what else to pressure the government for more money. The main argument for their ongoing claims is that they were here first (read: Jacques Cartier in 1534.)
I think Canada has made enough sacrifices to compensate them and respect history. This is pushing it over the edge. A lot.
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| | | | Re: *sigh* Oh yes..
I sooo agree with ya..
I don't owe these people anything.. (that includes money for airwaves.. time to lay off the peace pipe!) | |
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 RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | Airspace is a Public Resource I seem to remember something to the effect that the airspace above land is not owned by the owner of the land but is a public resource and transit through the airspace above the land is not subject to trespass or other restrictions. Thus a plane flying over a "dry" state (but neither flying from or to that state) can serve liquor while in transit though that state's airspace. The same rules apply to radio transmissions such as cell phone signals. OTOH, building cell towers on the Indian Lands (or running Phone Cables or Fiber through them) is a different issue since that is disturbing (or confiscating for a "right of way" via eminent domain) the physical land itself and must be paid for. | |
| | | | Re: Airspace is a Public Resource But if the indians wanted to be mean they can still built towers to block those signals right? just like a country can stop a plane from flying through its airspace? | |
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1 edit |  And why doesn't this surprise me.....
Second, If they want kick-backs from the cell phone companies, etc. they should be required to rent the land for the cell phone companies to put up towers, as there is no way that they can charge anything for radio signals "bleeding" onto their land.
Third, if they win this case, it would just be precedent for the Canadian Government and the US Government to go after each other if they so desired, or any other government for that matter, as I know right around Niagra Falls you can send and recieve phone calls from across the borders, which coincedently, that carrier, whether it be a US/Canadian company, does not own the licenses for those frequencies across the border. My point is, the proposal makes absolutely no sense and should be thrown out if it ever makes it into the inside of a courtroom. | |
| | | | Re: And why doesn't this surprise me..... said by whiteyonenh:...the nature of radio signals is such that they are a very high-pitch sound that noone on this earth can hear, and as such, is very hard to control and/or detect without the proper equipment. No, they are electromagnetic waves so they need no medium to pass through like sound waves do. If that were the case we would not be able to get light from the sun and we would not be here right now. If they wanted to block the signal they would have to construct a huge Faraday cage around their property, which is not very feasible. | |
| | | | | Re: And why doesn't this surprise me..... It doesn't really matter anyways, as I don't believe that they have a reason to complain unless of course they were going to roll out their own services on those frequencies, they should be glad that they have cellular and other services in the first place, not to mention that outside companies would probably end up having to foot the bill.
How hard would it be for the government to just split up this "fee" between the natives that subscribe to the service?
Another option is that the companies that are serving them should just pull out rather than screwing around with the bogus fees, let them provide their own services if they want, as they wouldn't have the services if we were not over here in the first place. | |
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| | Their rate will go up in their air space LOL, The cell companys will just say ok, But, now anyone (meaning you, your people) in your air space will have a higher price for service to off set the fees.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it. | |
| | rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: Their rate will go up in their air space Yeah -- I was kind of thinking this could backfire and lead to higher cell prices around their lands. | |
| |  plkLil' Duffer Burger BarnPremium
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Ogden, IA | I agree...just jack up the prices and a recovery fee from calls coming from res lands. Use the recovery fees to offset travelers passing through the land.
Plenty of Natives have cell phones. They will scream out and this issue will die. Especially true when Directtv says...oh your on a res...that will cost double.
The natives need these services as much as anyone else. They have a rich and noble history but not a one wants to really go back to that life for life.
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