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join:2004-12-21
Columbus, OH
| BS This site is BS.
I am at work where I have a 100Mb Fiber Internet connection and it says I don't have 7.5Mb.
I bet this is prob. made to only tell Verizon Fios Customers that they are capable of receiving the 7.5Mb downstream and this HDWeb. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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1 edit | Re: BS The real fun will start with Verizon FIOS customers try it on a high traffic day and get the same message, and start calling tech support.
EDIT -- did you know your speed test is showing your roadrunner speeds? That's nice but not 100Mbps fiber.  | |
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join:2004-08-05
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1 edit | Re: BS Road Runner Commercial certainly sells fiber connections.
I don't know if they sell 100mbit connections, but just because it says RR Commercial on his speed test doesn't exclude it being fiber.
And I believe what speed you get depends on where the Akamai servers are located that are "closest" to you routing-wise. | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
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| Re: BS said by smcallah  :And I believe what speed you get depends on where the Akamai servers are located that are "closest" to you routing-wise. That's Akamai's whole marketing pitch...I wouldn't think that'll be the problem with his speed results.
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: BS said by DaSneaky1D :That's Akamai's whole marketing pitch...I wouldn't think that'll be the problem with his speed results. Right, but not everyone is located close to Akamai servers. His speed tests were great, sure, but he wasn't speed testing to the Akamai servers. So again, speed is certainly affected by what path you take to get to Akamai's servers that are nearest to you. | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| Re: BS If you're in the US, you're close to a server.
Latency across the US (continental) is less than 100ms. That sort of latency isn't going to drop a 19mbps speedtest down to less than 7mbps.
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: BS And again, that's only true if the path you're going on to get to the Akamai servers nearest to you is a good path.
If the peering between your ISP and the ISP it has to go to with Akamai servers is running near capacity, then you could have some TCP throttling occur.
If your speed test server is not on the same exact ISP where your Akamai servers are, don't expect them to both be 19mbps, that just isn't realistic.
Not everyone has optimal placement of Akamai servers, which is pretty obvious by the split of people that don't get the message on the HD site, and the ones that do.
Earlier today, I was being directed to Akamai servers that were very far from my ISP, about 70ms away, and I was on a 100mbit lan with multiple 10GE circuits outbound to the Internet, and I only got the 7.5mbit message
But now, the Akamai servers that I am directed to for www.thehdweb.com are extremely close, only 10ms away.
So not everyone is always optimal. Don't consider your personal experiences to be everyone's experience. Especially when there are people saying otherwise. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·ViaTalk
| Re: BS said by smcallah :Earlier today, I was being directed to Akamai servers that were very far from my ISP, about 70ms away ....... But now, the Akamai servers that I am directed to for www.thehdweb.com are extremely close, only 10ms away. hehe... how far is a ms?  | |
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: BS said by jester121 :hehe... how far is a ms? That would of course have to be figured from the speed of light through the media that your signal is going through, as well as the speed at which the routers and switches in between route and switch your packets for delivery. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·ViaTalk
| Re: BS said by smcallah :said by jester121 :hehe... how far is a ms? That would of course have to be figured from the speed of light through the media that your signal is going through, as well as the speed at which the routers and switches in between route and switch your packets for delivery. So probably not a great way to measure geographic distances, is my point. | |
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join:2004-08-05
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| Re: BS Who was measuring geographic distances?
I was measuring network "distance" with milliseconds. I don't generally measure in geographic distance when talking networks.
I don't care WHERE the Akamai servers are in the world, as long as they are the ones I can reach fastest.
So in those terms, the ones with the lowest latency to me could be 500 miles away, while the highest latency could be on servers that are only 200 miles away. And I'm sure hoping that I'm using the "closest" ones network-wise.
I would swear I was pretty clear about that in my first post on the issue of Akamai "distance."
Did I once mention how many miles away something might be and mention that it would affect speed? I don't think so. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by jester121 :The real fun will start with Verizon FIOS customers try it on a high traffic day and get the same message, and start calling tech support. 7.5 * 32(max per node) = 240mbps in use out of 622mbps. i doubt there'll be any problems. and thats assuming EVERYONE on a node is streaming at once!
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| said by kshymkiw :This site is BS. I am at work where I have a 100Mb Fiber Internet connection and it says I don't have 7.5Mb. I bet this is prob. made to only tell Verizon Fios Customers that they are capable of receiving the 7.5Mb downstream and this HDWeb. Either way, you certainly have more than enough download for this application.
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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4 edits | said by kshymkiw :This site is BS. I am at work where I have a 100Mb Fiber Internet connection and it says I don't have 7.5Mb. I bet this is prob. made to only tell Verizon Fios Customers that they are capable of receiving the 7.5Mb downstream and this HDWeb. I have a Comcast 6600/384 connection and I connected and played HD content without any warnings at all. Way to go powerboost. BTW, the actual bandwidth used during download was about 5500 kbps and that was allowing buffering ahead for the streaming.
720P version
1080 version
My system and connection doesn't meet the posted minimum requirements, yet I had no problem with either 720 or 1080 streaming.
P.S.> that Nelly Furtado is one smokin' hot singer.
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JoeyDee
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join:2004-07-23
Las Vegas, NV | Re: BS Yeah, HTC. Comcast HSI (8Mbps) and it works super....
Now everything else is going to look dumb. Neli Furtado *is* hot.
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join:2002-07-15
New York, NY | Seems like my video card cannot handle 720 much less 1080. What's a good fast AGP video card that could handle this type of videos? Anyone? | |
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RR user
@rr.com
| I have loaded up that site a few dozen times now and have never got that message... and I'm on a 5Mb RR connection.
I never have any issues downloading stuff off Akamai's servers though, they always seem to support the full capacity of my connection.
The 720P video's stream perfectly. My computer doesn't quite make the 3Ghz requirement for 1080p though. 
I've seen better (cleaner/sharper) 720P video quality though on other sites like Divx. | |
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Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
1 edit | Well.. I have FiOS 5/2 and I do not get a warning at all. Go figure.
Update: Well, it's random. Sometimes I get the warning, sometimes I do not. I successfully streamed in to Windows Media Player a couple of videos. | |
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Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
clubs: | Very Good Just tried it here and it all seemed to work fine - was throwing the data down at me at 12 - 15Mbit/s. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
4 edits | Does ok... Works with my Comcast service... 1080p all the way!
Click for full size.
THIS is the kind of videos I have wanted all along.
Screw that pixelated, playing card sized, Flash POS Youtube! 
BTW, Cuban is a fool! Rich, but that doesn't mean smart! | |
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join:2001-11-28
Tarpon Springs, FL | Re: Does ok... Works perfect here too at 1080
Planet earth looks great. | |
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jazzy_
join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC | Yep 1080p over Comcast looked great on my monitor 1920x1200 native resolution. | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
upstate NJ
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| said by dadkins :Works with my Comcast service... 1080p all the way! Click for full size. THIS is the kind of videos I have wanted all along. Screw that pixelated, playing card sized, Flash POS Youtube! BTW, Cuban is a fool! Rich, but that doesn't mean smart! YouTube is user generated content. Good Luck finding a place where millions of users can freely upload their own video files, and have it all in stunning HD.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: Does ok... said by Tzale :YouTube is user generated content. Good Luck finding a place where millions of users can freely upload their own video files, and have it all in stunning HD. -Tzale VUZE
»www.vuze.com/app
»www.vuze.com/Publish.html;jsessi···1D.web05
Who is doing videos above SD anyways.
Plus, YT resizes whatever you upload *AND* converts it to Flash so we here we are.
Some accept YT as being ok.
I do not!
YMMV
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
upstate NJ
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Does ok... said by dadkins :said by Tzale :YouTube is user generated content. Good Luck finding a place where millions of users can freely upload their own video files, and have it all in stunning HD. -Tzale VUZE » www.vuze.com/app» www.vuze.com/Publish.html;jsessi···1D.web05Who is doing videos above SD anyways. Plus, YT resizes whatever you upload *AND* converts it to Flash so we here we are. Some accept YT as being ok. I do not! YMMV Yeah, but don't you need an HD camera? It makes it quite useless since the majority of YT type videos are user generated with cheap consumer grade digital cameras.
Also, isn't Vuze a download via Bittorent, then view the video type of system? I think loading up a website, typing in your search terms and clicking a video is a helluva lot easier. Sometimes we're not looking for quality, but ease of use and entertainment.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Does ok... HD camera, yeah - for HD content.
What happens to SD video when you upload it to YT?
It gets halved and then converted to Flash.
So, even generoid SDTV clips get hosed thanks to YT.
Some videos at VUZE *DO* start playing after a short download - it does have an embeded player... in the software.
The issue is, if people accept YT quality as OK, no one will ever step up and provide better.
480x360(+/-10) is pathetically low res
TV is 640x480, right? Nearly anything these days is 640x480 or larger!
We won't go into widescreen letterbox vids on YT.
A pack of cigarettes/deck of cards is larger than the POS YT player on my screen! 
Putfile at least has a slightly larger screen - 630x430(+/-10)
»media.putfile.com/Upper-Falls-Pr···-morning
Not HD, but WAY better than YT!
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Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
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join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ
| Re: Cool! I have 20/5 Fios and when I use WiFi I get the equivalent of a wired 10/5 connection. (Weird that only the DL drops hunh) When viewing 1080 there were a couple of skips and buffering moments, not a dealbreaker by far.
When viewing 720 over WiFi it works just fine. If I had a pre-n router attached to the Actiontec and a Pre-n card, those problems would be eliminated as its the wireless defintely causing the buffering issue. | |
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epearce
join:2001-01-24
Temecula, CA
clubs: | Problem with site reporting 7.5??
I have FIOS 15/2 service and got the message that I don't have the required 7.5!! I did a speedtest and I am getting 14.1/1.8!!
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | Re: Problem with site reporting 7.5?? your speed to them will totally depend on the number of hops latency between them and you.
You can have gigabit connectivity but if the number of hops and latency is too high you could only see 3-4mbps from their site. | |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
clubs: | I've got Comcast and failed the 'bandwidth test'...... But it's my locations fault (no DSL & near saturation rates for Comcasts HSI- therefore limited powerboost). It looked very good on my 23" widescreen monitor even though the buffer couldn't keep up with the 1080 videos, the 720p vids were better. | |
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Bagnon
Snoogans
join:2000-11-19
St Catharines, ON | Nice. Worked great for me. I'm using 8mbps cable from Rogers.
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join:2007-07-18
San Luis Obispo, CA | No warning on at&t 6.0MB DSL, Yes warning on at&t 1.5MB DSL I didn't get the warning message on my home DSL 6.0.
I did get the warning when I loaded the site at work (DSL 1.5)
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join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
1 edit | Re: No warning on at&t 6.0MB DSL, Yes warning on at&t 1.5MB DSL anyone getting it to work with firefox....or is it just me...ok i got it to work you need to install the latest version of flash....9.0.47. | |
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join:2004-12-20
00000 | Re: No warning on at&t 6.0MB DSL, Yes warning on at&t 1.5MB DSL worked here
OOL 15/2 line firefox for life 
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Premium,MVM
join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
clubs: | It didn't give me a warning on my U-verse 6/1 connection either. I am also using FF, but it didn't warn me in IE either... | |
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Premium
join:2003-08-18
San Francisco, CA
clubs: | Vs Hm... Billionaire business man vs a blog poster... hm... | |
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join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| Re: Vs Keep in mind that he scored his billions during the dot com craze. He could have had a business selling e-dogpoo and someone would have paid a lot of money for it given good enough salesmanship.
The proof is what has become of "broadcast.com"? Anything there today? Nope. Cuban's claim to fame is that he sold Yahoo an empty bag. | |
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join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | mark who? Mr irrelevant 2007? | |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| Joost-like? No. Bah..i thought this site was going to be something like Joost where you get to watch channels..Kinda pointless to go back to it after the 1st visit.
I have Comcast 6/384 with powerboost and i didn't pass the test (probably could if i tried again)
Used NetMeter while watching and the speed jumped from 300-to my limit of my 6000 download connection.
Surprised i couldn't even watch the 720 version..even after full buffer sound quality was jumpy and a bit jumpy for image on my 1.9ghz 1gig computer with plenty of HD space.
Never had any trouble like that with the Apple movie trailers though..
Who host the site? Verizon or Akamai? Also does anybody know where the site is located?
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MalibuMaxx
join:2007-02-06
Chesterton, IN
·Comcast
| Re: Joost-like? No. I had no problems lol i live right next to practically...
Then again my specs on my computer:
- Intel Core 2 Duo 2.13 ghz
- 2048 Mb of DDR 2
- 320 GB HDD (218 GB free)
- Nvidia Geforce 8500 512 GDDR
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Havent failed the test either yet...
ran the site a few times... failed it at work though.
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| Re: Joost-like? No. 38204 boost download huh? Thats pretty damn good if i do say so myself, must be the only 1 on your node lol
Chesterton is what the size of M. City?
Best boost download i got (hooked up directly to modem) was like 22,000
But shit your test was done in fort worth tx? Do me a favor and send your comcast techs this way. I think ours are beginning to slack off..
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
1 edit | Freezes progress bar about half way and just sits there.
are they blocking non fios hosts?
i have 12mbps download.
edit: ok upgrading flash to 9 fixed that. absolutely awesome
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Synbios
join:2002-05-18
Worcester, MA | fine with 5Mbps I have 5Mbps with Charter and I think I passed the test. It said that it was checking bandwidth availability, and then just loaded a video. Never said anything about not having enough bandwidth. | |
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Helpmehere
@verizon.net
| Help me out here Latency, high traffic times of day, need for all this edge distribution mumbo jumbo.
Man, if only there were a dedicated multi-gigabyte connection between your house and some sort of serving location that could deliver this HD stuff...oh wait...that's cable/satellite/FioS video service. Cable sends 15-30 HD channels at 19.2 mbps EACH all at the same time. Dish does something less per channel but more channels (slightly worse picture). FiOS is the full bit rate but only 28 channels (for now). Regardless, any of these options KILL anything doable on the web. In fact, in two of the three cases above, the network does HD plus 300 regular channels AND carries the web.
Why use a coffee straw when you already have a fire hose? No latency or contention, no traffic issues. I just don't get it. And with caps here or on the way for up and someday maybe downstream, why burn it up?
I can see this for short format youtube stuff or basement production or even shorts from shops like atom films (remember those guys?). But for mainstream HD content, there is no way you can make economic sense out of a pay per channel or even a bundled subscription on top of the broadband fee itself when you can get HD for free or for only $10-30 more (depending on the provider) and on as big a screen as you like with zero risk of latency during peak times.
Cuban may not be 100% right, but I would never bet against a billionaire who made his money in this space...even if he can't dance!  | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
upstate NJ
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| Re: Help me out here said by Helpmehere :Latency, high traffic times of day, need for all this edge distribution mumbo jumbo. Man, if only there were a dedicated multi-gigabyte connection between your house and some sort of serving location that could deliver this HD stuff...oh wait...that's cable/satellite/FioS video service. Cable sends 15-30 HD channels at 19.2 mbps EACH all at the same time. Dish does something less per channel but more channels (slightly worse picture). FiOS is the full bit rate but only 28 channels (for now). Regardless, any of these options KILL anything doable on the web. In fact, in two of the three cases above, the network does HD plus 300 regular channels AND carries the web. Why use a coffee straw when you already have a fire hose? No latency or contention, no traffic issues. I just don't get it. And with caps here or on the way for up and someday maybe downstream, why burn it up? I can see this for short format youtube stuff or basement production or even shorts from shops like atom films (remember those guys?). But for mainstream HD content, there is no way you can make economic sense out of a pay per channel or even a bundled subscription on top of the broadband fee itself when you can get HD for free or for only $10-30 more (depending on the provider) and on as big a screen as you like with zero risk of latency during peak times. Cuban may not be 100% right, but I would never bet against a billionaire who made his money in this space...even if he can't dance! In the future, we'll have enough bandwidth so you won't experience massive latency like you do today on some ISPs.
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kshymkiw
join:2004-12-21
Columbus, OH
| interesting Interesting to see some responses.
I do in fact have a 100Mb Fiber connection from RR Business Class.
I have a 15/3 Cable Modem at home, which failed the test.
Funny thing is when I fired up my other work PC, which runs Windows, and was on a 5Mb connection it passed.
The only common thing between the 2 boxes I failed with, was they both run Linux, and not Windows.
But they do have some good content on there! | |
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join:2007-04-02
Cleveland, OH | Nothanks I will stick with my cable and TV....screw waiting for it to download on a freaking PC...thanks but no thanks..
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