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| Ummmmm "Special Assistance from HomeLand Security"?
"Wiretaps"?
I think the Government needs to concentrate on more important things....such as...illegal immigration, Drugs flowing into this country,terrorism.
But I guess some kid in Cedar Rapids poses more of a threat with those evil mp3's of Fall Out Boy.
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| Re: Ummmmm said by stevennb  :"Special Assistance from HomeLand Security"? "Wiretaps"? I think the Government needs to concentrate on more important things....such as...illegal immigration, Drugs flowing into this country,terrorism. Those are hard things to solve. Politicians and bureaucrats like to deal with easier things and take credit. | |
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| Re: Ummmmm I think its been proven that trying to catch, slow down or stop pirates is no easier than stopping terrorism. Both are extremely strong in their mission, any attempt to curb them is met with a dynamic resistance and no matter what you do, they keep coming.
Hacking DVD CSS is the new terrorist attack, cracking HDDVD keys and releasing them are the new IEDs, and posting torrents for millions to download are the new suicide bombers. | |
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| Re: Ummmmm said by snipper_cr :I think its been proven that trying to catch, slow down or stop pirates is no easier than stopping terrorism. Both are extremely strong in their mission, any attempt to curb them is met with a dynamic resistance and no matter what you do, they keep coming. Hacking DVD CSS is the new terrorist attack, cracking HDDVD keys and releasing them are the new IEDs, and posting torrents for millions to download are the new suicide bombers. Who said they should be effective in stopping. The illusion of doing something on a low risk issue and keeping industry happy and getting donations is the aim and they are doing it well. | |
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| said by snipper_cr :Hacking DVD CSS is the new terrorist attack, cracking HDDVD keys and releasing them are the new IEDs, and posting torrents for millions to download are the new suicide bombers. I remember when that really was the law. Back then, any encryption software was considered munitions. If you wanted to have 128-bit SSL on your web browser, you had to order a special diskette. To get the diskette, you had to provide all of your personal information, swear an oath of allegiance, cross your eyes and hope to die, etc. etc. | |
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1 edit | 1. Pirate Music
2. ????
3. Terrorists Win
If you pirate music, the terrorists win. It's as simple as that. Why am I the only one not having trouble seeing this? I provided a visual aide to assist the others here.  | |
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Homeland Security's help? wow | |
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| said by stevennb :... I think the Government needs to concentrate on more important things....such as...illegal immigration, Drugs flowing into this country,terrorism. ... the constituencies for those things don't put enough money into lobbying. | |
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| Re: Ummmmm said by nasadude :said by stevennb :... I think the Government needs to concentrate on more important things....such as...illegal immigration, Drugs flowing into this country,terrorism. ... the constituencies for those things don't put enough money into lobbying. Well the Halliburtons and Blackwaters of the world need to step up! We have to fight the war on terror before we start fighting ourselves.
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| said by stevennb :"Special Assistance from HomeLand Security"? "Wiretaps"? I think the Government needs to concentrate on more important things....such as...illegal immigration.... This is a dodge so that they don't have to concentrate on those things!
Where is the 'comprehensive amnesty plan' for American file sharers????
The Jorge Bush admin will deport file sharers before they can rouse themselves to start deporting illegal aliens 
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| No more new laws just enforce the laws we have .
Under Gonzales's leadership the Justice Department and the FBI have been accused of improperly, and, perhaps illegally, using the USA PATRIOT Act to uncover personal information about U.S. citizens.[2] His role in the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys has led several members of Congress to call for his resignation.
like wiretapping law and the Data Protection Act 1998 and Personal Privacy Protection Law.
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Pssst.
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| Re: Ummmmm psst yeah all prez's do that at the start of their terms .. none dismiss just a select few with good performance ratings for not burying repub voter fraud investigations .. get a clue ...
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| MIxed bag Some of the changes makes sense, but parts of it looks like nothing more than an attempt to pay off those who want to control when, how, and what you listen to (and a few other items).
I think they are lumping those who copy music for personal use or trade into the same boat as those who counterfeit money and shoot people who look like they may be trying to cut into the action.
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1 edit | Re: Pandoras Box? said by expert007 :I'm just waiting for the first reply that says "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." Taylor Troll is kinda slow today...
Also, doesn't Alberto have other more important things to worry about, like protecting his a** from getting fired over the scandal with these prosecutors?
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| Re: Pandoras Box? said by Pirate515 :said by expert007 :I'm just waiting for the first reply that says "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." Taylor Troll is kinda slow today... Also, doesn't Alberto have other more important things to worry about, like protecting his a** from getting fired over the scandal with these prosecutors? Maybe, if he lobs enough crazy grenades over the wall, people will be too busy screaming "what the f*ck are you thinking" to remember, "shouldn't your a$$ have been fired over the politics-based firings of AG staff?"
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said by quatrix :Yeah, calling the guy a "troll" makes it okay for you to do whatever you want. Good one. To clear things up, I wasn't calling Gonzales a troll.
The Taylor Troll thing was addressed to those who read these forums frequently; they know exactly who I am referring to.
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| said by expert007 I'm just waiting for the first reply that says "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about".[/BQUOTE :How about "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have a lot to worry about." The government is going to far in helping private businesses and criminalizing everything. It would not be a far stretch for the government to be able lock up anyone because some obscure law was violated. Homeland security should not be involved in such issues as DMCA and music downloads. None of these are threat to any security involving the homeland. Spread the homeland security resources too thin and you really weaken the defenses against very real and significant threats. It would appear to me that Gonzales has just benefited from a donation by the RIAA and MPAA. He has been purchased. | |
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| Thanks for the help said by snipper_cr :It makes perfect sense, pirates are a complete threat to the homeland and as US citizens, they should be considered top terrorists. Silly me! I guess I failed to fully grasp the significance that little Johnny next door is a threat to my very existance because of his downloading.
Thanks for enlightening me.
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| said by dispatcher21 :If your not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. But seriously, I dont get the Homeland Security tie in, that just makes no sense. Maybe the thinking is, piracy threatens businesses' profitability. Businesses' profitability keeps the economy strong and, by extension, the nation strong. Undermining businesses undermines the economy, which, in turn, undermines the nation. Therefore, pirates are subverting national strength and therefore security and are a threat best dealt with by DHS.
Just a guess.
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| Re: Pandoras Box? said by batterup :said by expert007 :I'm just waiting for the first reply that says "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about". Won't somebody please think of the children? ...and for once, we agree.
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| said by expert007 :I'm just waiting for the first reply that says "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about". Well, that's almost true, except that now they've added "INTENT" to the equation, and under the PATRIOT (and as a retired member of the US Military, I really resent the use of that word as the title of such an unconstitutional knee-jerk reaction pack of 'laws') Act, you're in deep doo-doo these days if someone so much as drops a hint to the 'right' authorities that they think you're acting in a strange, possibly terrorist planning way (whatever the hell that is? taking flying lessons maybe?)
As someone else said earlier: quit making new laws you can't enforce anyhow, that cost zillions to even attempt to enforce, that really don't target the source of the problem anyhow, and that you already have laws on the books to deal with: enforce those a little more vigorously! | |
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| Re: Pandoras Box? said by 2kmaro :As someone else said earlier: quit making new laws you can't enforce anyhow, that cost zillions to even attempt to enforce, that really don't target the source of the problem anyhow, and that you already have laws on the books to deal with: enforce those a little more vigorously! The clowns that were going to attack Fort Dix were caught because of a clerk at Best Buy. The ass hats in the DOJ did nothing to break the case. The DOJ did what they usually do. They have one finger in their ass and one in their mouth and they switch every minute. | |
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| Waste of resources. This country so needs a revolution. All that matters in this nation is the corporation and how it can become more profitable. People mean nothing, unless rich or connected. There are many more far important issues this government should be concerned/worried about than this crap.
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| Re: Waste of resources. said by GOLFnSUN :said by GilbertMark :People mean nothing, unless rich or connected. That has been the same all over the world from the beginning of organized governments and probably even before that. Right up until the rich guy has his head on the chopping block, neck in a noose or back up against a wall...
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| said by GilbertMark :This country so needs a revolution. All that matters in this nation is the corporation and how it can become more profitable. People mean nothing, unless rich or connected. There are many more far important issues this government should be concerned/worried about than this crap. Repeal the 13th amendment of the constitution. Then we can bring back slavery. That is what you want is it. You force others to provide you what you want free. I do not care about you because you will not make the effort to provide for yourself. | |
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1. In the past most copyright issues have been handled via civil punishment and not criminal punishment. This makes downloading that new Gwen Stefani song a felony.
2. This law targets P2P and usenet search engines. It's now illegal to "aid and abet" copyright infringement or commit conspiracy to infringe on copyright. Hell, with as vague as the law is written, it could make usenet illegal.
3. This law makes it legal for federal law enforcement officers to obtain a "wiretap" for suspected copyright infringement.
Goodbye usenet and P2P search engines based in America if this passes.
It's almost weekly something happens that makes me want to disown this country and move away. I agree with protecting copyright, but treating everyone like a felon is not what this country is about. | |
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| Alberto Gonzales... You are the most disgusting excuse of a human being I have ever seen. Please resign now; you have no business trying to propose laws when your credibility is next to nothing, and when the only person that supports you is your long time friend Bush, perhaps your only one at this time.
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Alberto Gonzales... Hehe.. Some people really don't like it when people mess with their copyright infringement... Might be time to get outside more... 
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| Re: Alberto Gonzales... lol that HOTlanta weather has got me 
na it's not even that, to think that he'd have the nerve to even propose a law when he has absolutely no credibility with congress befuddles me. How does he plan on passing his proposed measures? Maybe he's planning for his aides to take the fall for him again...sleazy bastard. | |
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|  Re: Police state on the way
said by rid0617 :If this keeps up the homeland security will be the new SS What do you mean "will be"? | |
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richardpor
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| Much Ado About Nothing Perhaps DSL Report should read the press release and the proposed law. This is very sloppy journalism to rely of bias and sloppy second had information. All the law will do is harmonizing music fraud and counterfeiting, AKA piracy of songs, to existing counterfeiting and copyright laws. Frankly, the person running a server serving thousands of pirate copies of songs should not be treated or prosecuted any differently than the smuggler moving and other form of counterfeit goods.
As for the mentioned Department of Homeland Security, there only one mention in the entire act to quote:
"(4) Notification of importation.- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall issue
regulations by which any performer may, upon payment of a specified fee, be
entitled to notification by United States Customs and Border Protection of the
importation of copies or phonorecords that appear to consist of unauthorized
fixations of the sounds or sounds and images of a live musical performance.”
All it has to do is about is the discovery of importation and notification concerning counterfeit copies by the Customs department. | |
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| Re: Much Ado About Nothing There's a reason we have Civil and Criminal courts. Nothing to do with copyright infringement should EVER be in the criminal courts. Frankly anything that doesn't involve some sort of violence towards another shouldn't be in the criminal court.
You should not go to jail for taking a picture of someone else's picture, or playing a song out loud in a public forum. That's just ridiculous. But of course, once we're all classified as felons, only the pols will be able to vote, and we'll no rights anyway.. ridiculous. | |
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1 edit | Going after fake drugs also Even though focus by Karl is on internet aspect , the law is written to go after much more than just media content.
"Strengthening Penalties for Counterfeiting Offenses that Threaten Public Health and Safety
Some counterfeit goods create serious risks to public health and safety. For example, a
counterfeit pharmaceutical may be ineffective or harmful, or a substandard electrical cord bearing
a counterfeit UL certification mark may pose a fire hazard. Such threats to health and safety are
among the principal factors considered in deciding whether to prosecute intellectual property
cases criminally, and the Department's Task Force on Intellectual Property has identified these
types of cases as being a prosecution priority. To better reflect the seriousness of IP offenses that
pose health and safety dangers and to provide greater deterrence against such crimes, it is
appropriate to provide increased penalties for counterfeiters who deal in dangerous products.
Accordingly, section 12(a)(l)-(2) provides enhanced maximum statutory penalties for
counterfeiting offenses that endanger public health and safety.
The proposal increases the
maximum penalties for offenses from 10 to 20 years imprisonment where the defendant
knowingly or recklessly causes or attempts to cause serious bodily injury, and increases the
maximum penalty to life imprisonment where the defendant knowingly or recklessly causes or
attempts to cause death. Both the mens rea standard ("knowingly" or "recklessly") and the level
of enhanced penalties are consistent with other existing federal criminal statutes that provide
enhanced penalties for offenses resulting in serious injury or death."
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| And the downspiral tightens.... "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
-- Lord Acton
Isn't it "fun" watching how the Pandora's Box of "The War on Terror" spins further and further away from the target and locks onto Americans....
"Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence."
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"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."
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Start replacing the words above with words like "Terrorists" and "Copyright Infringers" and "Political Activists" etc and you'll arrive at the same end result....
Gonzales should already have been fired. Another azzhat.
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1 edit | Rehash of last year's bill by the same name - it's doomed I predict that like last year's bill with the same name,
it will end up in the Congressional dustbin. The chances
of this getting onto the floor of the House/Senate are
very slim.
First of all, there are more important matters for the
do little Congress to consider - a copyright infringement
bill is going to be very low on the totem pole.
Second, given Gonzales recent troubles with his
testimony over the fired US Attorneys, both houses
aren't going to be favorable toward him right now.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Rehash of last year's bill by the same name - it's doomed Whether or not this gets taken up by congress depends entirely on if the MAFIAA can make enough campaign contributions to make it worth congress's time to look into it. Its legislative merit has little to do with it. | |
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Seattle, WA | Pot, kettle, color So Alberto is pushing for a law to toughen up the penalties for these ethical crimes?
How ironic. | |
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