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Jason Levine
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit It wasn't exactly a pirate outfit. They were operating completely within the Russian laws. The only problem became when Americans bought songs from them. Then you got into legal gray areas. (Which is why I never bought anything from them even though I liked their service in theory.) | |
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit Exactly my take, if they were to have limited themselves to Russian comsumers they likely wouldnt have been able to make as much profit, but laws are laws.
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1 edit | said by Jason Levine  :It wasn't exactly a pirate outfit. They were operating completely within the Russian laws. My take on the issue as well. If there was something shady, I would say that it was more within ROMS and how ROMS was supposed to be repaying the royalties allOfMP3.com was sending ROMS than in allOfMP3.com itself.
I also don't see why allOfMP3.com wouldn't be allowed to operate within Russia, since the price they charge for an album is the price you pay for a CD in a music store in Russia (from what I read)
They can always implement IP filtering and block customers from countries where justice departments are considering the service illegal (like the US and the Netherlands)
EDIT: no taylor troll post yet??? I'm surprised...
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit said by LilYoda :I also don't see why allOfMP3.com wouldn't be allowed to operate within Russia, since the price they charge for an album is the price you pay for a CD in a music store in Russia (from what I read) With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess.
And yet, China seems to get away with quite a lot. Hmmm.
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Houston, TX | Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit lol yea china the land of the VCD's | |
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LilYoda
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| said by tapeloop :With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess. Internationally yes. But locally?
I mean for exemple, the sale of Marijuana is illegal in the US, and legal in the netherlands. That doesn't prevent the Netherlands to be in the WTO.
Unless the RIAA, or a new version of the RIAA in Russia is mandated by the Russian government as the official copyright holder *in Russia*, then as far as I would understand it, ROMS would still bt the legal entity to collect copyright payment in Russia, for Russian customers.
So what Russia could do is force ROMS to pay back some of what it collects to the original copyright holder (which is where I believe that Russian law has to be modified), which would in turn increase ROMS fees, and allOfMP3.com's price
But shutting down allOfMP3, for Russian customers seems a bit surreal to me. If Russian people can still go to the store, buy a CD for $3, where the fee is payed to ROMS, and ROMS still doesn't pay a dime to the original artist or copyright holder, then what's next? The US will ask that Music stores in Moscow's streets be illegal?
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tapeloop
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit said by LilYoda :said by tapeloop :With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess. Internationally yes. But locally? I mean for exemple, the sale of Marijuana is illegal in the US, and legal in the netherlands. That doesn't prevent the Netherlands to be in the WTO. I see your logic, but at the same time marijuana is not traded internationally between the US and the Netherlands. (At least not in the open market...  )
Unless the RIAA, or a new version of the RIAA in Russia is mandated by the Russian government as the official copyright holder *in Russia*, then as far as I would understand it, ROMS would still bt the legal entity to collect copyright payment in Russia, for Russian customers.
So what Russia could do is force ROMS to pay back some of what it collects to the original copyright holder (which is where I believe that Russian law has to be modified), which would in turn increase ROMS fees, and allOfMP3.com's price
But shutting down allOfMP3, for Russian customers seems a bit surreal to me. If Russian people can still go to the store, buy a CD for $3, where the fee is payed to ROMS, and ROMS still doesn't pay a dime to the original artist or copyright holder, then what's next? The US will ask that Music stores in Moscow's streets be illegal?
My theory is that that US, leveraged by the entertainment industry, in turn used its leverage to get Russia to shut down completely allofmp3.com rather than to leave it open and potentially available to US consumers.
I doubt that Russia would put the same pressure on the brick and mortar stores in its borders, but I think the US would.
I didn't say it makes sense. 
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| Marijuana is not officially legal in the Netherlands. It is tolerated, and not prosecuted. Coffee shops are technically illegal, since they carry more then a civil penalty quantity of marijuana. This allows the control enforcement of the shops. Officially the Dutch model as it is know is illegal in the Netherlands. Thus allowing for WTO membership, however many countries have expressed criticism, because like these MP3s the lack of borders and customs allow for easy distribution throughout the EU, it is of growing concern and have prompted such reaction as drug sniffing dogs on German-Dutch trains as well as automobile check points, as well as the opposite with so much marijuana coming out of Holland, Belgium, Denmark, and England are trying experimental trials with the Dutch model.
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scrummie02
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| they'll hardly do that. The US and UK are the biggest consumers. They will either relocate or find another loophole.
On another note I think their idea is good. No DRM. That's what I like. No vendor lock in and Linux was supported.
I'd pay 99 cents a track if I could have DRM-free tracks that will play on my FreeBSD box ripped at 320kps.
Oh well, I guess it's back to ripping CD's from used music stores 
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit Or taking your laptop to the public library media section and ripping all day for $0.
Careful though, if the RIAA catches on they'll shut them down too.
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BF69
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| said by Jason Levine :It wasn't exactly a pirate outfit. They were operating completely within the Russian laws. The only problem became when Americans bought songs from them. Then you got into legal gray areas. (Which is why I never bought anything from them even though I liked their service in theory.) Yes they are pirates. Did the artists get thier money? No. who cares about Russian laws. If some country says that child porn is ok does that make it ok for Americans to view it then if the website is base in that country? No of course not. Why anyone would give money and personal info to a RUSSIAN website is beyond me. .ru is synomomous with SCAMS. I have any e-mail I get that has .ru in it to automatically be discarded before it even reaches my inbox. Sometimes people are idiots. Anyone that bought from them deserves to have their bank accounts and credit cards drianed dry. | |
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scrummie02
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Yes they are pirates. Did the artists get thier money? No. who cares about Russian laws. If some country says that child porn is ok does that make it ok for Americans to view it then if the website is base in that country? No of course not. Why anyone would give money and personal info to a RUSSIAN website is beyond me. .ru is synomomous with SCAMS. I have any e-mail I get that has .ru in it to automatically be discarded before it even reaches my inbox. Sometimes people are idiots. Anyone that bought from them deserves to have their bank accounts and credit cards drianed dry.
so is .com. So should people stop doing web business altogether?
I don't care where the business is run if it's legit. Besides allofmp3.com had been operating for years before this hype. Not one complaint about anything fraudulent or that would be all over the news too, you can bet on that.
Your xenophobia is laughable........
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North Babylon, NY | Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit You really think artists get much from the so-called legitimate music stores (Rhapsody, iTunes and a slew of others)?? | |
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Yowzaaah
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| BUT, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!(then somehow throw child porn into the discussion)! What a TOOL!
"Those filthy Russian, non-American Media Consortium members, how DARE they give consumers fair value for fair pricing? You know - they're on a .ru domain like all those other child porn lovers! Why, I'll bet they must be putting backward masking of Marx and Trotsky speeches into the music our children are being duped into buying. Why else would anyone pay less than the obscene prices a good law abiding American knows Hollywood has legislated we all buy from i-Tunes? BY God we have to put an end to this to failure of everyone in the world to listen to and obey American media company lobbyists at once!"
The simple fact is Allofmp3 has/had the right to do what they do under Russian law and it PISSED the media companies off because they couldn't have absolute control of absolutely every last "legitimate" outlet for purchasing music in the entire damn world- i.e. guarantee that price fixing can continue to exploit the customer via U.S. Gov't protection of a 1920's business model by writing the whole seedy practice into being law. Then trying to make that the law all over the world.
SO THE MEDIA CONGLOMERATES THEN GOT OUR GOVERNMENT TO DEAL WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS, OVER THE WAY MP3S CAN BE SOLD ON A RUSSIAN WEBSITE --and our Gov't wagged it's happy little, donation treat loving, bitch dog tail and came to heel.
That fucking makes me ill!
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1 edit | said by BF69 :said by Jason Levine :It wasn't exactly a pirate outfit. They were operating completely within the Russian laws. The only problem became when Americans bought songs from them. Then you got into legal gray areas. (Which is why I never bought anything from them even though I liked their service in theory.) Yes they are pirates. No, they ARE NOT. If you can't grasp it, rather ask about it first.
Did the artists get thier money? No.
Yes and no. AoMP3 DID PAY the fees dictated by Russian laws.
who cares about Russian laws.
Who cares about US laws? Who cares about Tennessee laws?
I can't believe you people did buy into this RIAA-fed propaganda BS... open your eyes: it's NOT GOOD FOR YOU, not good for the US, not good for anybody, it's only serves the RIAA ilks!!!
If some country says that child porn is ok does that make it ok for Americans to view it then if the website is base in that country? No of course not.
What kind of BS is this? Childporn is NOT legal anywhere and is subjected to worldwide criminal agreements - bu8t theoretically yes, US has no business in other countries legal system - especially with our totally broken legal and legislative system, this 'best government and laaws money can buy' track record we have.
Why anyone would give money and personal info to a RUSSIAN website is beyond me.
It is just because you have a painfully narrow world of view and apparently you think your views MUST BE enforced for all of us.
Newsflash: apparently plenty of people think you are wrojng and don't want to do anything with your narrow-minded world.
Leave us alone with our choice, please. | |
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Jason Levine
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| said by BF69 :Yes they are pirates. Did the artists get thier money? No. who cares about Russian laws. Russians? Seriously, though, do you think that a site run and hosted in Russia should be bound by US laws? How about a site in the US being bound by Russian laws? Or is it ok to export US rules upon the world and not ok to have other countries' rules forced on us.
Here's the answer: Neither should be permitted. Sites should be expected to live up to the laws in the countries where they are hosted. To expect otherwise is to open a HUGE can of worms that could shut down virtually every website. (Imagine if China could dictate what sites shouldn't be allowed to operate because their content was illegal in China.) The only wrinkle to this would be if someone lives in one country and hosts a site in another country. Then they open themselves up for prosecution in either country.
As for the particular case of AllOfMP3.com, Russian law specified a compulsory license fee that had to be paid to an organization called ROMS. This means that AllOfMP3.com didn't need contracts with each record label. They could just take the songs and sell them and pay the compulsory fee to stay legal. ROMS didn't pay that money back to the rights holders, but that wasn't AllOfMP3's issue. (Of course, this is all supposing that Russians were the ones paying for the songs. When an American bought a song, the legality got a whole lot grayer.)
said by BF69 :If some country says that child porn is ok does that make it ok for Americans to view it then if the website is base in that country? No of course not. Nice Straw Man you have there. We're not talking about Child Porn. We're talking about copyrighted music. Bringing up Child Porn is just an attempt to sway an opinion based on "child porn is bad, therefore the other guy must be wrong since this argument is associating his position with child porn."
However, to turn your question back to copyrighted music: "If some country says that it is legal to buy copyrighted music in a fashion that is illegal in the US, does that make it ok for Americans to buy that music if the website is based in that country?"
Framed like this, I would say: Maybe. It actually all depends on import/export rules. For example, let's say you were to travel to Russia and buy a CD there. Now (from what I've heard), CDs there typically cost about $3 each. But CDs here cost about $15 (or more). Would it be legal for you, on a trip to Russia, to buy that $3 CD and take it home? Or should you be forced to pay an additional $12 for it when you cross customs?
Of course, downloading an item and buying a physical copy are two different actions. Right now there are no clear rules about this. It is one huge gray area (but one that I suspect will get less gray as time goes on).
said by BF69 :Why anyone would give money and personal info to a RUSSIAN website is beyond me. .ru is synomomous with SCAMS. I have any e-mail I get that has .ru in it to automatically be discarded before it even reaches my inbox. So .ru is synonymous with scams? Luckily AllOfMP3.com was a DOT COM and not a DOT RU.
I don't judge a site solely based on where it is hosted. You could just as easily get scammed by a .com, .uk, .eu, etc site. If you are getting any unsolicited e-mail from a company, you should junk it no matter what country code is in the URL.
I might be more careful with a site hosted in Russia, Turkey, etc, but I would also rely on other users who have used the site to form an opinion of it. I haven't heard of anyone being scammed from using AllOfMP3.com. Whatever the failings it might have in regard to US copyright law, it isn't an out and out scam.
said by BF69 :Sometimes people are idiots. Anyone that bought from them deserves to have their bank accounts and credit cards drianed dry. Of course, you could use a one-time use number with them and they wouldn't be able to drain anything dry. Customers using credit cards wouldn't be liable for any fraudulent charges over $50 (and even that amount is usually waived). Debit cards should never be used for online purchases even if the site is trustworthy. (After all, you never know when it will be hacked and have a spending spree put on the card.)
I just went to their registration page and it looks like they ask for a name (first and last), e-mail address, country, and language. I'm guessing that later on you would need to enter some credit card details (possibly including home address) to use your credit card on the site. However, I don't see anything severe that would invite identity theft. I don't see any requests for SSN, DOB, or Mother's maiden name, for example. | |
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Grand Ledge, MI | Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit Nice that you use an article that is very biased twords judeo-christian beliefs. I love the anti-abortion and anti-choice bit at the end of it. Try and use unbiased news articles and not psuedo-news with opinions interjected. | |
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit said by BPLSUCKS :Nice that you use an article that is very biased twords judeo-christian beliefs. Thank you
I would not use biased opinions, passed off as "news" that rejects Christian beliefs or promotes immoral decadent lifestyle, which opposes Christianity.
I understand, your hurt feelings when a " obviously biased" messenger like that, delivers the news of truth.
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| said by guitarzan :All the pirate site has to do, is hand over the names and CC#'s, IP addresses of people who made on line purchases to avoid costly lawsuits or prosecution. Guess, we'll see how much honor there is among thiefs. Hate to burst your bubble, but the Russkys don't have any credit card numbers. Their credit card payments were processed through a respectable company in the Netherlands, IIRC, and they won't be handing over any CC numbers lest they betray the trust of their users.
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit said by pb5k :Hate to burst your bubble, but the Russkys don't have any credit card numbers. Their credit card payments were processed through a respectable company in the Netherlands, IIRC, and they won't be handing over any CC numbers lest they betray the trust of their users. The Russians may not have credit card numbers.?
Can you rule out, with certainty, there are no Russians or Russian mafia, handling credit card accounts in that respectable company in the Netherlands.?
I guess, we'll have to wait and see the results, when that rickety house of cards topple.
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| Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit said by guitarzan :The Russians may not have credit card numbers.? Can you rule out, with certainty, there are no Russians or Russian mafia, handling credit card accounts in that respectable company in the Netherlands.? I guess, we'll have to wait and see the results, when that rickety house of cards topple. That's purely conjecture. I don't know why so many people assume the Russian mafia is involved whenever a business starts up there, it seems like a knee jerk reaction. I haven't found any evidence that the Russian mob is behind allofmp3 at all.
Anyway, prior to Visa and Mastercard's ban, the Dutch company that processed allofmp3's payments was Chronopay; you can judge their validity for yourself - Visa and Mastercard seem to respect them. But it seems like a lot of trouble for Russians to incorporate a company in the Netherlands just to process their own payments.
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| so the only legitimate businesses are ones based in the US?
By the same token, whose to say there isn't any Sicilian mafia handling CC numbers of on-line businesses based in the US? Can you say that there isn't with all certainty?
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1 edit | Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit said by scrummie02 :so the only legitimate businesses are ones based in the US? You're trying to imply something I have not said. If allofmp3 is really legit, Russia should defend a business contributing to its economy. Yet we see a post like this which suggests otherwise.
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said by kamm:when something is making so much money - it's #2 or #3 shop in the Western World - it takes only few months to set it up in some other form, somewhere else.
Why would a legit business, need to set up shop, by moving to a different country?
said by scrummie02 :By the same token, whose to say there isn't any Sicilian mafia handling CC numbers of on-line businesses based in the US? Can you say that there isn't with all certainty? The Sicilian mafia , or La Cosa Nostra has a vast enterprise, that is far reaching. All I can say with certainty, is no one knows, and those who do, are not talking.
Perhaps the RIAA, knows with certainty, whether or not any Sicilians, who have a vow of omertà, have a allofmp3 type web site in Italy selling mp3's.
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tc1uscg
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| So what if they handed over CC info/Address, etc..? Maybe you should do a little looking into import laws.. You may find that buying from importers is a pretty benign process. But then again, reading your post brings this little saying to mind. "Sometimes it's best to sit there and look like a fool then open your mouth and prove you are one". Please post your bases/links to back up that downloaders were breaking ANY law.
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| That's why ANYONE who does ANY purchases online, you have a "special" credit card for that purpose with a "limited" amount so it doesn't get out of hand... No other personal info goes to them. Now, if you start getting mail spam in Russian.. then your in trouble..
As far as being legal or not, maybe some of you keyboard lawyers need to look into the rules covering electronic imports. Anyone who bought or is buying music from them are not doing anything illegal. Till they join the WTO, buy away.. »www.informationweek.com/news/sho···96600636 | |
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1 edit | Classic ignorant, RIAA-fed mindstate - did you ever have their software installed on your machine?
Did you see the plethora of formats they are offering, all without DRM-infections, including CD-quality lossless FLAC and MonkeyAudio?
Do you actually know anything about it or you're just doing lipservice for the RIAA?
The government will be expected to begin complying by June 1, 2007. So allofmp3 has a limited lifespan - about 6 months. | |
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| Isn't It Amazing Well, if AllofMP3 proved one thing, it is that music downloads could be done for pennies. So selling them DRM free for $0.39 each would still be a 200% margin (even after giving the artist $0.05 per download). An album for $2.49 would be a great deal and I would pay to download a lot.
For now I would use a service that ships CDs for $5.99 and rip them myself for my own personal use.
As a side note, doesn't anyone remember going to Kmart and reaching through the hole in the clear glass case of 45s (single record for the young people) and having to get a clerk to open and grab the 45 you wanted? I remember paying $0.99 per 45. I guess $0.99 per download is a discount. (Sarcasm) | |
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| Re: Isn't It Amazing said by bigjimc :For now I would use a service that ships CDs for $5.99 and rip them myself for my own personal use. Kind of like my preference. I do buy the occasional new CD, but most times I buy used CDs. They are just as good as the originals and cost much less. One that I am looking at on eBay now (a Wiggles CD for my son) will likely cost me about $5 including shipping. That's for 18 tracks of music (and 10 Introduction tracks), so the cost per song is 28 cents. Not too shabby. Especially since I will be getting the music in the format that I want, at the bit rate that I want, with no DRM, and with a CD of the full-quality music to use as a backup. | |
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| said by bigjimc :Well, if AllofMP3 proved one thing, it is that music downloads could be done for pennies.
Well, Napster (the original) and every P2P network that has come along since proved that music downloads could be done for free......and the artists saw just as much return on those free downloads as they did on the AllOfMP3 purchases.
I like the idea AllOfMP3 had, as far as the consumer goes. DRM free, reasonable pricing, etc.
But when you break it right down, they were turning a 100% profit off the same pirated works you could download for free.
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| Re: Isn't It Amazing It can't be free.
Someone has to set up and maintain the website/servers. That costs money.
Someone has to rip the music and make sure it is the song and not cut off or not bass boosted or all the other issues of P2P. All that does cost money.
What about setting up a call center outside the US to answer all the irate phone calls. That costs money.
And then the companies deserve to make money. After all it is a business. The 1000% margin is a bit much (call it jealousy) though.
As far as the same pirated works that you could download for free. No. It is the same pirated works you could steal for free.
If the record companies would lower their pricing and remove the DRM. I would stop buying CDs.
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The young people won't get it, unless their parents are old enough to have one laying around | |
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| I wish we could just buy the songs we want, in the format we want, from the artists directly for like $1 a pop. Go to "bandname".com, look through the library and find what you want. Pay your dollar a song and download the version you want, knowing the artist is getting the money. Really, it's not such a hard concept to figure out, yet no one's done it.
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Not that any of us have any, of course.
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| said by RandomSCGVBV :Everyone use up your remaining balances. Not that any of us have any, of course. I certainly don't. I have, close to $100.:) And now excuse me but I have to buy another 2-3 $50-worth PIN codes in a certain Russian music shop... | |
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rob_in_chatt
Premium
join:2004-09-17
Chattanooga, TN | artists they make more than enough money on tours and selling merchandise. why they sit and scream lost revenue is just beyond me.
if you or anyone else cant take 10 million dollars and make it last a lifetime, then you are a f@%$#^ng moron. | |
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| Re: artists Don't blame the artists. Most times they aren't the ones screaming about lost revenue when it comes to CD sales or online sales. With some notable exceptions (e.g. Metallica until recently), most artists seem to be ambivalent about online trading of their songs. They oppose it in theory, but they also don't vocally support the RIAA suing fans. A few artists even encourage trading to spread the word.
The ones who are really crying foul are the recording executives. This is because CD sales really give pennies on the dollar to the artists. Most of the money goes to the record label. It's even worse with iTunes sales. (Weird Al has come out asking people to buy the CD over buying the songs on iTunes.) So the labels are the ones who are really losing a revenue source when someone downloads a song instead of buying the CD. (Leaving arguments about downloads not equaling "lost sales" aside for the moment.)
Honestly, the artists are caught in a difficult place. Most don't want to support wholesale copying of their songs on P2P groups. Yet, they also don't think suing fans into oblivion is wise. However, not many are willing to speak up against the record companies because the record companies determine their professional life and death. (Sure, they could break off and go independent, but they would lose the rights to play any of their older songs.) | |
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pb5k
more cowbell
Premium
join:2005-11-16
Glendale, AZ
·Cox HSI
| Re: artists Truer words were never spoken. Courtney Love's article on Salon does a great job explaining who the real pirates are. The RIAA labels use accounting practices that would make Enron proud.
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| c4junk
Premium
join:2004-05-08 | Other side of story? I wonder how many of our tax dollars are going under the table to Russia along with this deal to make RIAA happy? | |
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ftballstar76
join:2003-06-04
Hartland, WI | Re: Other side of story? If they shut down this site, I will NEVER buy another CD or album EVER. Enough said. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Re: Other side of story? said by ftballstar76 :If they shut down this site, I will NEVER buy another CD or album EVER. Enough said. I second that with the exception of some rare used ones - those don't generate a single fuckin' cent for RIAA anyway, remember... | |
| markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| Not a big deal..tons of other sites just like it. Besides private torrent sites continue to be the best way to get music.
Besides shutting down allofmp3.com is just going to be a stab in the back for RIAA considering over %70 of users in Europe downloaded from it (I think it was %70, can't remember off top of head). It will just lead to MORE pirating of music, this has been proven time and time again.
Lucky for us allofmp3.com prob already sold its technology and songs it has to another company that will do the same business model or close in another country that does not bow to political pressure. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Not a big deal..tons of other sites just like it. said by markopoleo :Besides private torrent sites continue to be the best way to get music. Besides shutting down allofmp3.com is just going to be a stab in the back for RIAA considering over %70 of users in Europe downloaded from it (I think it was %70, can't remember off top of head). It will just lead to MORE pirating of music, this has been proven time and time again. Lucky for us allofmp3.com prob already sold its technology and songs it has to another company that will do the same business model or close in another country that does not bow to political pressure. You are an idiot and a thief. Ok so let's make bank robbing legal because you are just going to encourage more bank robbing by making it illegal and stopping it. Um...ok. Same thing with murder, rape etc.... I mean if rape is illegal then only rapists can rape and that's just so unfair. | |
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scrummie02
Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
1 edit | Re: Not a big deal..tons of other sites just like it. Okay Captain Hyperbole...
Buying some songs from a Russian website that is cheaper than overpriced American crap is equated to robbing banks and murder how?
Face it you're grabbing for straws....
Most people that are going to steal music aren't going to purchase it anyway, regardless of whether it's 99 cents or 2 cents a track. So most people buying from this site are thinking it's legal, at least that's what I gather from folks that have used it.
For the most part this is a case of supply and demand economics and price wars. A foreigner is offering a cheaper price for a better product (much like the Japanese cars/electronics of decades past), so naturally people flock to it. To say people that use the site are all of dubious character invalidates any statements you have against this business model. Besides, if you need to compete you need to come up with a competitive business model, not try to shut down the competition through government regulation, in my opinion at least.
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join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| said by BF69 :said by markopoleo :Besides private torrent sites continue to be the best way to get music. Besides shutting down allofmp3.com is just going to be a stab in the back for RIAA considering over %70 of users in Europe downloaded from it (I think it was %70, can't remember off top of head). It will just lead to MORE pirating of music, this has been proven time and time again. Lucky for us allofmp3.com prob already sold its technology and songs it has to another company that will do the same business model or close in another country that does not bow to political pressure. You are an idiot and a thief. Ok so let's make bank robbing legal because you are just going to encourage more bank robbing by making it illegal and stopping it. Um...ok. Same thing with murder, rape etc.... I mean if rape is illegal then only rapists can rape and that's just so unfair. That is the most idiotic thing ever posted in a reply. Not only did you not provide a valid comment, you single handedly cut yourself down in the process. Please, for the sake of the internet call the ISP you use and cancel. | |
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P Ness
You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
Premium
join:2001-08-29
Mineola, NY
clubs: | THIS is Russia's biggest problem...... LOL. WOW amazing what money can do for you that this would effect them. | |
| | st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | Re: THIS is Russia's biggest problem...... there's always www.thepiratebay.org to use anyway, which is FREE. | |
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djdanska
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Glen Ellyn, IL
clubs: | for now.. It might be shut down in russia, but give it time. Before long , we will have www.allofmp3.al or something.
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Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
|  Re: for now..
said by djdanska :It might be shut down in Russia, but give it time. Before long, we will have www.allofmp3.al or something. Actually, I already found 2 more Russian sites of the same nature:
»www.mp3search.ru
»www.3mp3.ru
They never became as hot as »www.allofmp3.com because they don't have bitrate selection and are not as neatly organized, but if allofMP3 indeed goes down, one of these just might take its place. I hope that RIAA/MPAA is prepared to chase them all just like they do with file sharing services, because these sites will be like cockroaches: kill one, and five more will pop up.
Or like you said, they could just move their operation somewhere. Look what happened to programs like CloneCD, CloneDVD and AnyDVD. The company that developed them was first based out of Germany, then out of Switzerland, and for the past 3 years has been peacefully selling their products out of Antigua. And you gotta love AnyDVD, every time a new "copy protection" comes out, they have an updated version that deals with it within hours. Not to mention the good old Pirate Bay.
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | One Small Step... One Small Step for Man Kind, One Giant Leap for the RIAA | |
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Jehu
Premium
join:2002-09-13
MA | Good Riddence...  | |
| kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| sad that allofmp3 will be gone This is very disturbing. It seems the RIAA and only the RIAA wins, and the consumer doesn't get any say in these matters! What will it take for the industry to for once do what the consumers want done, that is, allow us to purchase content be it audio/video even at current prices, but without the DRM crap? I want to play any content I've purchased on any damn device I choose, be that a computer running windows, linux, or an Ipod or Iriver mp3 player. I also want to put the same content I purchased to a CD or DVD for use in applicable players and to back up the content. Is that so much to ask of the industry? Allow me to purchase digital content in a format I can use whenever and wherever I damn well please? Oh yes and allow me to download said content at fast speeds too. Do this simple task, and I'd subscribe to such a service in two seconds, and not even think twice about it!
Allow me to get content in a format I can use no matter what I may wish to play the content on, and I'd stop downloading my desired content via torrents in a heartbeat. This is all it'd take for the industry to win and consumers to also be satisfied, yet the **AA's aren't even willing to try such a thing? the only way I could possibly support DRM in any way would be for renting movies for say a 3 day rental or something like that, but if you buy it outright, you should be able to play it anywhere you wish, plain and simple! Wake up you greedy industry!
Now excuse me while I go download a TV show via bit torrent. | |
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Techless
Like I care
Premium
join:2002-07-19
Hypoluxo
 ·Vonage
| Re: sad that allofmp3 will be gone It's a Shame.
allofmp3.com proves that the business model works when done properly but still the XXaas fight it.
The MPAA and RIAA are still thinking "make big bucks like DeBeers" when they should be thinking "Make mucho mega bucks like McDonalds".
They have the product, we are out here wanting to pay for it but they can't get there business model into the 21st century.
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Jehu
Premium
join:2002-09-13
MA
| said by kd6cae :What will it take for the industry to for once do what the consumers want done, that is, allow us to purchase content be it audio/video even at current prices, but without the DRM crap? I want to play any content I've purchased on any damn device I choose, be that a computer running windows, linux, or an Ipod or Iriver mp3 player. I also want to put the same content I purchased to a CD or DVD for use in applicable players and to back up the content. Is that so much to ask of the industry? Allow me to purchase digital content in a format I can use whenever and wherever I damn well please? Oh yes and allow me to download said content at fast speeds too. Do this simple task, and I'd subscribe to such a service in two seconds, and not even think twice about it! »www.emusic.com
Enjoy your subscription.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Re: sad that allofmp3 will be gone said by Jehu :said by kd6cae :What will it take for the industry to for once do what the consumers want done, that is, allow us to purchase content be it audio/video even at current prices, but without the DRM crap? I want to play any content I've purchased on any damn device I choose, be that a computer running windows, linux, or an Ipod or Iriver mp3 player. I also want to put the same content I purchased to a CD or DVD for use in applicable players and to back up the content. Is that so much to ask of the industry? Allow me to purchase digital content in a format I can use whenever and wherever I damn well please? Oh yes and allow me to download said content at fast speeds too. Do this simple task, and I'd subscribe to such a service in two seconds, and not even think twice about it! » www.emusic.comEnjoy your subscription. But that's the problem: I don't want a subscription - I want to buy SONGS, albums occasionally, when I feel I want to get something. | |
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tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
Premium
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
·Millenicom
 ·WildBlue
| Re: sad that allofmp3 will be gone said by kamm :said by Jehu :said by kd6cae :What will it take for the industry to for once do what the consumers want done, that is, allow us to purchase content be it audio/video even at current prices, but without the DRM crap? I want to play any content I've purchased on any damn device I choose, be that a computer running windows, linux, or an Ipod or Iriver mp3 player. I also want to put the same content I purchased to a CD or DVD for use in applicable players and to back up the content. Is that so much to ask of the industry? Allow me to purchase digital content in a format I can use whenever and wherever I damn well please? Oh yes and allow me to download said content at fast speeds too. Do this simple task, and I'd subscribe to such a service in two seconds, and not even think twice about it! » www.emusic.comEnjoy your subscription. But that's the problem: I don't want a subscription - I want to buy SONGS, albums occasionally, when I feel I want to get something. Exactly. This old man only buys music on occasion when I hear something on the radio that I like. I don't want a subscription. I also can't fine what bit rate they use. | |
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Morty
Premium
join:2004-09-18
| Blackmail... Where I come from this is called blackmail but then again, governments and large corporations use it all the time 
Why doesn't the US allow Russia to operate within their own laws, and just go after Americans who violate theirs, or better yet -- block it... oh... right that's because the USA is the land of the "free"... Why punish your own citizens for their crimes when you can punish a country that is already slipping back into a dictatorship. After the Soviet Union fell, life expectancy for men dropped by something like 10 years  and they dropped off the top 5 in GDP. | |
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purc2523
@nauticom.net
| Re: Blackmail... This isn't about punishing Russia. It says that if you want to join the WTO then you must play by the rules that everyone else plays by. All countries make consessions to join the WTO. This is one of those, not blackmail. You are using the same tactic as above posters when comparing things to murder and rape, by trying to connect it with blackmail. | |
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beeman65
join:2001-07-23
Mckeesport, PA
| Boo I've bought a couple gigs of music from allofmp3 and never had my money sabotaged. I'll be sad to see them go as their model is great for what they offer, the formats and bit rates, and the price. but I'm sure something else will come up.
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| Okman
join:2001-10-01
92714 | Russia WINS!!! Vladamir Putin likes this shutdownMP3-for-WTOentry trade-off. It's actually a cheap price to pay for Russia. Good for them. | |
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CigaR
Premium
join:2004-08-24
1 edit | Re: Russia WINS!!! deleted. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| Only real answer The only real answer to all this is don't buy RIAA music and let the RIAA drown in there own stupidity. Let them shoot themselves in there own foot.
Funny how the U.S. can make Russia bring down allofmp3 but the U.S. can't apply the same pressure to other countries to stop spam. The U.S. can't even do it in our own country. | |
| | ZippyDSM
join:2005-02-13
Chattanooga, TN
| yes and no... Coprerations are getting more and more out of hand ,This is why governments of the world should step in and impose a 1% tax on digital devices/new computers and the internet and then make all downloading and shearing of programs/vids/music/books leagle this way the consumers are protected and the corperations get a small amount from the goverment as well as can sue people that sell copies but the rest of the people they cant touch....
Letting corperations roam about unchecked is never a good thing....
with that sad Allof was leagle in Russia the media mafia was niffed they were not getting their full cut and closed them down....this is why governments should step in and put corperations in their place before the corperations fully undermine governments everywhere.... | |
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iEvolution
join:2006-06-24
Ogden, UT
| Re: yes and no... said by ZippyDSM :Coprerations are getting more and more out of hand ,This is why governments of the world should step in and impose a 1% tax on digital devices/new computers and the internet and then make all downloading and shearing of programs/vids/music/books leagle this way the consumers are protected and the corperations get a small amount from the goverment as well as can sue people that sell copies but the rest of the people they cant touch.... Letting corperations roam about unchecked is never a good thing.... with that sad Allof was leagle in Russia the media mafia was niffed they were not getting their full cut and closed them down....this is why governments should step in and put corperations in their place before the corperations fully undermine governments everywhere.... Yeah just what we want, more taxes. | |
| | | ZippyDSM
join:2005-02-13
Chattanooga, TN
| Re: yes and no... *rolls eyes*
I'll take strict goverment regulation to "govern" the corperations thank you....
the reason for the tax is 3 fold
1.to pay for itself
2.to keep a close eye on the media mafia
3.to give a pittance to the media mafia
and with that the trade off is all vid/music/programs/media will be free to trade and share on the net,selling copies are still a no no but it could make copying rentals leagle as well.
even a more realistic version non online distro of more than 5 copies/selling of copies,copying of rentals prohibited, just to make online vid/music shareable and make any program(app,game,rom,ect,ect) more than 3 years old shareable it still wont happen the corperations pretty much rule all now adays....
the media "industry" is getting ahead of themselfs and becoming a legit mafia and thus I ignore everything they have to say. | |
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join:2005-09-27
Royal Oak, MI
1 edit | Re: Classic example for RIAA's, studios' bald face lies Deleted.... | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| "AllofMP3 in the Clear, For Now" - halleluja! :) »www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5157
AllofMP3 in the Clear, For Now
AllofMP3 will stay in operation and stay legal says litigation counsel
The Bilateral Negotiations on Russia's Accession to the World Trade Organization outlines that pirate music websites within Russia will be taken down by June 2007. The agreement specifically outlined AllofMP3 as an example of a pirate site. Earlier today, AllofMP3 legal counsel held a panel discussion to talk about some of the allegations made about AllofMP3 during the last few days.
John Kheit, an intellectual property attorney hired on behalf of Chadbourne & Park to represent AllofMP3, immediately started the conference by claiming AllofMP3 has not broken any laws. He went on to say that AllofMP3 has not been contacted by Russian or U.S. authorities since the Bilateral Negotiations on Russia's Accession to the World Trade Organization. AllofMP3 is not shutting down.
Kheit then emphasized that AllofMP3 operates legally in Russia. 15% of all profit on music sales at AllofMP3 is paid to Russian Organization for Multimedia and Digital Systems (ROMS), the Russian equivalent of the RIAA. For Russian or foreign copyright holders to collect on the profits collected at AllofMP3, the holder must contact ROMS to petition for payment. Since ROMS is non-for-profit, funds may even be retroactively requested since any contributions to the organization should still be maintained.
However, many record labels in the US have specifically not requested royalties from ROMS out of fear that collecting would effectively justify AllofMP3's existence. Kheit countered this point by claiming that copyright holders merely need to show proof of copyright ownership to AllofMP3, and said works would be removed from the site. To date, no entity has opted out of AllofMP3.
No one representing AllofMP3 could give an accurate count on the size of the service, though the site has widely been accepted as the number two online music provider behind iTunes. Even though AllofMP3 recently lost its Visa and MasterCard portal, the company relies on a credit proxy called Xrost, which can be paid via Visa or MasterCard. | |
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AllofMP3.com to Be Shut Down
Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit
