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1 edit | pretty soon pretty soon the internet will be connected to every waking part of our lives in ways we can never imagine: Television, Microwaves, EVERYTHING will be connected to the internet. Think about this: in a couple years, when people are talking about building a house, they'll be running power and fiber optic cabling throughout the entire house to connect everything imaginable! Its not too far away guys 
Oh, and to get to the 30% that have no use for the internet: Technology is the future, plain and simple. If you don't catch the wave, you'll miss it :P | |
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join:2003-04-02
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| Re: pretty soon said by Jerkface  :pretty soon the internet will be connected to every waking part of our lives in ways we can never imagine: Television, Microwaves, EVERYTHING will be connected to the internet. Think about this: in a couple years, when people are talking about building a house, they'll be running power and fiber optic cabling throughout the entire house to connect everything imaginable! Its not too far away guys Oh, and to get to the 30% that have no use for the internet: Technology is the future, plain and simple. If you don't catch the wave, you'll miss it :P You are far from reality, not pretty "soon", more like 22-50 years from now. You think every home is just going to up and get connected soon? dream on :P
Fiber in the home is not near ready for the average home, heck you don't even see it in majority of multimillion dollar homes now. Granted prices are going down, but you need it to equal the cost or wiring today a typical house to see it start to become popular. Once you see it hitting the $100k price range houses is when to get excited.
But onto the same point, no applications exist today that would even use that bandwidth that a normal cat5 wire can't handle so far.
I don't find it hard to believe %30 don't have internet, lots of people don't NEED it. | |
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Corehhi
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| Re: pretty soon I don't own a cellphone and have never used one. I have no reason to be that in touch with anyone, if they want me , they have to find me.
BTW When I was single cellphone weighed 4 lbs. LOL. If I was dating I would have a cell phone.
Many people have no use for the internet. 10% of the people in the US are probably retarded anyways. | |
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My views are my own.
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| "Fiber in the home is not near ready for the average home, heck you don't even see it in majority of multimillion dollar homes now."
Yea yea.. bla bla.. the same thing was said about broadband in general. in 1998 when DSL really started to become popular at $89.99 a month for 256 maxing out at 1.5, no one thought that it was be up to 6mb in a short time either. No one thought cable would be pushing 16 meg / 2meg... BB has only been around for about 8 years in reality and look at where we are.. so please, tell me.. how can you be so sure that it will be 50 years..?
..and no one really "needs" the internet. If they did, it would be classified as a utility.
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Washington, NJ | Re: pretty soon you took the words out of my mouth, fiberguy. If i had the time to type more today, thats what i would have written | |
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| It is possible to live without the internet.
Myself I pay bills on-line and buy lots of things that I used to go to the store for.
But I could still mail checks just fine to pay the bills. And going out shopping without really needing anything isn't quite the same.
Maybe the people without the internet are the smart ones.
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New York, NY | Re: pretty soon "Maybe the people without the internet are the smart ones."
All I have to say to that is that that is the stupidest statement I've heard in the past few days. | |
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Some of us can’t go more than a few hours without access to the Internet before we feel like we’ve become completely out-of-touch with our worlds.
'got that right. And I'm a middle-aged ol' fart. The younger you are, the more you feel that way.
That 30% will go down as it dies off; I'm sure the vast majority are elderly. I still remember the time we had to buy an airline ticket for my mother-in-law and subsquently take her to the airport. It was impossible to explain the concept of "electronic ticket" to her, and we had to get a paper one: no online check-in, no using the express check-in machines in the terminal; it took forever. | |
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Greeneville, TN
| Re: pretty soon I live in a relatively small town and took some friends to the movie theater last year, I'm 38 and they are new to the net when we got there they started to pull out money and stand in line, I walked upto the quick ticket machine swiped my cc and out popped 3 tickets of which I had already paid for online, bypassed the line and went straight on in after I gave them thiers should've seen the looks on thier faces it was a kodak momment, needless to say they now order the tickets online after a quick how-to.
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| Re: pretty soon That'd be part of my point if I felt like making one.
While I would need to make an educated guess about other people's habits, I am aware that I'm capable of spending a great deal of time doing all kinds of stuff on the internet. And I would have to say that there are times that there doesn't seem to be much more that I need either. (Cause I like doing what I do with the internet in my spare time.)
So what can be missing is the question? Oh the internet is a remarkable communications tool, but it doesn't replace people. (Or at least it shouldn't.)
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Bluffton, SC | If your poor that stuff doesn't apply. There are a lot of people who don't have checking accounts. Think about it. | |
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join:2002-11-17
Richmond, VA
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| Ahhhh... a day without the Internet is like a day at the beach: far from the madding crowd.
Today is Shutdown Day (which, clearly, I haven't, but I just got FiOS... so screw that!).
It'll be a long, long time before Cat6 isn't good enough for internal cabling (and who will ever need more than 640K of memory in their 'personal computer'?).
I can wait for the future... like I have a choice? | |
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| said by Jerkface :pretty soon the internet will be connected to every waking part of our lives in ways we can never imagine: Television, Microwaves, EVERYTHING will be connected to the internet. Think about this: in a couple years, when people are talking about building a house, they'll be running power and fiber optic cabling throughout the entire house to connect everything imaginable! Its not too far away guys Oh, and to get to the 30% that have no use for the internet: Technology is the future, plain and simple. If you don't catch the wave, you'll miss it :P Why not Ethernet? Think about it. Why does your microwave need fiber? Ethernet IMO is the next universal bus. Sort of how like CANbus is a slow bus, why not replace that with off the shelf Ethernet??
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join:2002-07-14
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| Re: pretty soon I think that's the wrong approach. The only thing that really makes sense is to go wireless. Now today it would be very hard to make it work, but I wouldn't be surprised in 15-20 years if the various home appliance companies had gotten together and come up with a common approach to netowrking their systems together so that you put one device in your home to actually be wired (probably a combination NAT/router) that communicates with your various appliances. After all I'm not sure why you need to deliver the ultra high speeds that fiber could deliver to your refridgerator. | |
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join:2004-09-08
Elk River, MN
| Re: pretty soon the problem with this is wireless is open and can be cracked (sniffed). no offense but i dont want some idiot to turn my internet stove on when im not home :P. Me personally would want internal wiring. Also i would want fiber for the lowest latency posible. if you are going to wire your house for broadband why not spend the extra money for fiber. (your house cost over 100 k already) | |
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join:2004-02-13
Chicago, IL | I see you share the same far-fetched and unreal vision that Bill Gates seem to have with the "Digital Home" or whatever he calls it. | |
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4 edits | Re: pretty soon I'm pretty sure that same thing was said about various networking technologies like coax networking vs cat5, etc less than 20 years ago... Some people just think of the immediate future, and not what might be down the road just a little further...
If your statement were true, sufficient access would still be a 9600 baud modem. This comment is not meant to be a dig, just something to think about.. | |
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join:2005-09-28
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| Re: pretty soon You will see fiber to the desk long before you see fiber though out the home. The company I work for does a lot of wiring for very large company that is very tech driven but not in the tech industry. The ONLY thing they use fiber for is to interconnect switches through out their campus and data center.
Most of the places that I see fiber to the desktop are in warehouses and places like Lowes and Home Depot where you have PCs that are too far for ethernet.
If anything you will see wide spread use of Cat6 before you have fiber through out the home. Compared to copper fiber is expensive and terminating fiber is even more expensive. | |
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| Hmm Good for them. They are probably more productive than we are and breathe fresh air much more often, exercise more, and socialize more than the internet junkies do. Now if we could figure out how to become a much less pop culture driven society I would really be impressed.
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A. There poor
B. They don't have a computer
C. There in jail
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clubs:  | Re: Hmm Not always... I know a guy who just goes into Adobe to print out his pickup sheets and thats about it.. He is not into the internet all that much however I showed him how to check his email and so on. | |
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join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs: | Re: Hmm I could agree with that, one of my neighbors don't have it. He's a hot rod type of guy though. He fired up that dodge charger he was working on for a while today. That thing shook my house when he fired it up.
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| To put it in another context: Those thirty percent are the ones out getting laid and the seventy percent are online talking about getting laid.
Some things never change.
I revel in those times when I am unreachable by computer, phone or even mail. The day at the beach comment above is spot-on.
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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| said by GilbertMark :Good for them. They are probably more productive than we are and breathe fresh air much more often, exercise more, and socialize more than the internet junkies do. Maybe some of them, but by no means all of them -- my parents, who are offline themselves but rely on me to do some things online for them, certainly aren't exercise fanatics and don't have active social lives. (They spend most of their free time in front of the TV.)
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join:2003-06-29
Plano, TX | Internet I moved to a small town with my parents and didn't have internet for about 5 months. Really didn't matter to me. | |
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ironweasel
Weezy
join:2000-09-13
Belen, NM | What about old folks? Now what are the chances that the majority of that 30% are elderly?
I'd say at least half of them are and that would be the reason for the "disinterest". | |
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Bronx, NY | Re: What about old folks? My 86 year old grandfather is not interested in the internet I am sure he is part of the 30% who does not have it. | |
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Atlanta, GA
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| said by ironweasel :Now what are the chances that the majority of that 30% are elderly? Very high. ~75% of the US population is 18 or over, and ~21% of the US population is 55 or over, meaning that about 28% of the total adult US population is 55 or over. Other surveys, such as some of the Pew surveys, shows that interest in and usage of the Internet drops off quite sharply somewhere around age 55 (although Internet usage among the older set is increasing.)
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| Re: What about old folks? said by roamer1 :said by ironweasel :Now what are the chances that the majority of that 30% are elderly? Very high. Other surveys, such as some of the Pew surveys, shows that interest in and usage of the Internet drops off quite sharply somewhere around age 55 (although Internet usage among the older set is increasing.) -SC the drop off doesn't occur until about age 70.
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SSidlov
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1 edit | said by ironweasel :Now what are the chances that the majority of that 30% are elderly? I'd say at least half of them are and that would be the reason for the "disinterest". First, looking at the details, of that 30%: 2% don't have access to the internet (according to them). 14% can't afford a computer, 8% can't afford the access. So a quarter of the 30% can't AFFORD IT. 14% use it at the office instead of at home. Only 44% of the 30% said they didn't have a need, and 17% said they didn't know how.
I work with a lot of 'old folks.' Those that can afford it have at least dial up. This is the way that their kids and grand-kids who don't live next door anymore, communicate. Often they use older machines that their kids (or grand-kids) grew out of. They get photos more often thanks to the internet and it helps them stay in touch. They WANT to be able to be in touch and take advantage of what they want to know/read/see.
The real problem for the elderly is the ergonomics of the computers they use. Poor eyesight, arthritic hands, the inability or lack of the ability to touch type. Embarrassment of their language skills (especially among immigrants). People with macro degeneration or cataracts have problems with anything but the largest screens, set to the lowest resolutions. There are few really good screen readers, and the zoom-in type of things make reading very very slow.
For those that get by the ergonomics, there is a lack of training/understanding in how to do the things that 'we' the supposed younger generation does. Finding a blog or forum that has topics that THEY are interested in. Fear of being cheated and the lack of understanding of basic security and how that is accomplished inhibit their usage.
I also know a lot of middle aged people, who don't have internet access because they think that $120-600 year for access is a waste of money. They don't think that it has anything for them or they had a bad experience that soured them on the whole thing. Even people who are technically knowledgeable have issues with Windows or low powered machines or compromised machines that make the use of the internet problematic. The most common fix for correcting this is naturally getting a better computer thanks to the bloat that is Windows and updated windows software, but again, I know a few people who simply don't think that they should. (They may have paid thousands for that computer back in the late 90's. They don't realize that they could buy a better, faster one for a few hundred today -that's not cutting edge- but would do everything that they need to do.) All they want is the computer to work again they way they remember it working before. While MS has discontinued the support of the pre Win2000 OSes, there are a lot of people who still want to use 98, 98Se and ME. All they want to do is email and web browsing, and they can't get support or the training to move to Linux which might be able to run on the older hardware. The elderly are not as tied to MS word docs as are the younger/middle aged are with their office work and could move to OpenOffice and other non-MS applications.
BTW: I'm going to 55 this year and I've been using computers since I was in HS. And my mother is going to 80, and she uses a computer, lightly, but uses one. And I know a lot of people OLDER than me, who also use computers as much as anyone of the so-called Y generation.
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| This is how you explain the republican vote Everyone knows, the internet is the tool of satan, or at least the republicans and their corporate cronies know. That's why the internet should be BANNED. But the problem is, that only 30% of the people realize this. The rest have fallen sway under the twin evils of 'progress' and 'human rights'. Those sinners won't be taken to heaven when god calls all the true believers back with the rapture. (well, the rest of us will breath a sigh of relief if that day FINALLY does ever come, which it won't, because there is no god). In any case. Internet = Evil. Evil = Democrat. Democrat = 70% of the population now.
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Rensselaer, IN | Re: This is how you explain the republican vote How much of that 30% are people that can't even afford a computer, much less internet? | |
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SSidlov
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| Re: This is how you explain the republican vote Thanks for posting the graphic, copyrights not withstanding.
The important thing here is that of the 30% that they make issue, it's really only 14% who are not interested.
If the 17% of the 30% were trained in how to use the Internet they might give it a try. The ones that use it at work but not at home, 14% of 30%, are doing what a lot of people did back in the late 90's....I'm surprised that it's not more.
Since we don't have the actual questions asked, I wonder if there were a lot of people who use it at cafe/hotspots/libraries or even at home who misinterpreted the question and said that they did use it. And if there was any accounting for those who might be using their cell phone . As silly as that sounds, I can't live without Google Local on my cell, it answers so many questions for me all the time.
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| said by karlmarx :Democrat = 70% of the population now. You got statistics to back that up somewhere or is that one of the 95%, err, 85%, err, 90%, yeah, 90% of statistics that are made up on the spot on BBR ?
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Portland, OR | How Ironic 30% chose not to have internet but internet activist will be dam sure they will pay their "fair share" for tax payer funded muni broadband. | |
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Elkins Park, PA | elderly population Someone want to post a statistic on what percentage of the US is considered elderly. Any bets that a large chunk of the 30% is in there?
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2 edits | Re: elderly population said by Middieman :Someone want to post a statistic on what percentage of the US is considered elderly. Any bets that a large chunk of the 30% is in there? 15-28%, depending on exactly what age you consider "elderly" and whether you consider only adults or everyone...
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| How many of that %30 What I would be more interested in knowing, would be how many people in that %30 without internet access, have tried it, and given it a fair run, and then said, no I don't need this.
We all know how it took TV awhile to come along too, and there was very little technical know-how needed to go out and buy a TV.
Do we need TV? I doubt it. Do we need the internet? Again, I doubt it. Do we want TV? Most would answer yes. Do we want the internet? Again, most people would say yes.
Frankly, if we could win over that other %30, maybe we could get some decent speeds out here.
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Tzale
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| Re: How many of that %30 said by gatorkram :What I would be more interested in knowing, would be how many people in that %30 without internet access, have tried it, and given it a fair run, and then said, no I don't need this. We all know how it took TV awhile to come along too, and there was very little technical know-how needed to go out and buy a TV. Do we need TV? I doubt it. Do we need the internet? Again, I doubt it. Do we want TV? Most would answer yes. Do we want the internet? Again, most people would say yes. Frankly, if we could win over that other %30, maybe we could get some decent speeds out here. Actually, I think when TV's first came out they were quite technical to deal with. They broke a lot also... So I'm sure the 70+ year olds (or maybe 40-50+ year olds at the time!) didn't accept the idea.
Technology comes in generations.... It rarely transverses across generations, but once those generations die off, it is common across all generations... Radio, TV, etc..
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Queens, NY | What good is it? This 30% feels that Jerry Springer and Rosie Odonnell are better watched on television. | |
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Tzale
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Sweden | Old People Besides the people who can't afford it, it's the people who are old (70+).. Of course there are exceptions, but I'd say 90% of people I know 70+ don't own a computer, and I live in urban NJ....
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Camden, TN
| Many reasons A) many people can't afford a computer or don't see a need n one so no internet.
B) Eliminate people over 60 in the poll and you'll see that % drop. If you were to tell me that only 10% of couples over 65 have internet access I'd be shocked that the # is that high. As the old die off the % of household with internet will go up.
C) In many areas only dial-up is available. And to be honest many people find it just isn't worth it nowadays to have dial-up.I have a friedn that moved into anew house and dial-up is the only option. he had it for about 2 months before getting rid of it. This isn't isn't 1997 or even 2002 when most pages were mostly text or were minimal on graphics.
For example the Spiderman 3 website has for some reason two landing pages in Flash that each take me about 6 seconds to load. I'm on 10 Mbps cable. Do the math it would take 18 minutes for each pages to load on my friend computer with his dial-up. Who wants to deal with that? Trying to watch ANY video not only mean waiting, but also means low quality.
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join:2006-12-07
Clintwood, VA
| I'm happy with what I've got I am lucky to get what I have living in such a rural area...and I love it. I seriously don't think I could go one day without getting online. I use it for everything...email, news, weather, games, shopping, bill paying, banking, and many other applications. The internet is a big part of my families lives. But I guess if I had to live without it, I would just have to deal with it. | |
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join:2002-12-03
Rusk, TX
| Internet and the over 60 Guys, I am one of the old people,will be 71 this year. Or maybe this is one of my senior moments. Anyway I have been interested in the computer and using it for the last 20 years.
The INTERNET I love it. People in my age group ask whats so good about the INTERNET. My reply The INTERNET is my window to the world. I explain it this way. The INTERNET is like having the largest library in the world in your living room. TexasBill | |
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| Re: Internet and the over 60 said by TexasBill :Guys, I am one of the old people,will be 71 this year. Or maybe this is one of my senior moments. Anyway I have been interested in the computer and using it for the last 20 years. The INTERNET I love it. People in my age group ask whats so good about the INTERNET. My reply The INTERNET is my window to the world. I explain it this way. The INTERNET is like having the largest library in the world in your living room. TexasBill Porn, the internet is for porn. | |
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