Alternate ISP's Over Verizon's Fiber? - DSLExtreme says it's in the works

Alternate ISP's Over Verizon's Fiber?
DSLExtreme says it's in the works
(old news - 01:31PM Wednesday Mar 09 2005)
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Will you have a choice of ISP's running over Verizon Fios? SBC's next generation DSL services? Yes, says a DSLExtreme rep in our DSLExtreme forum, who lets loose that the company is exploring next-gen sharing possibilities with both Verizon and SBC. "I have the FIOS contract from Verizon sitting on my desk," he notes, also adding that "we also fully expect to have DSL2 from SBC to be available when it is rolled out."

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dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA	Blah Blah Blah Whomever needs to get on the ball and start laying this fiber to more than a few select areas. SBC is doing nothing here, Verizon? Right! Not holding my breath.
	permalink · 2005-03-09 13:24:52 ·

zoom314 Superman Premium join:2001-04-30 Yermo, CA 1 edit	Re: Blah Blah Blah Verizon share Its fiber? I don't think so, If They had to Cable would have to share theirs too.
	permalink · 2005-03-09 14:11:26 ·

JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs:	Re: Blah Blah Blah Maybe Verizon will share their fiber because it's economically feasible, rather than because it's legislated? The current legislation is pretty clear: they don't have to share. But I don't think it prevents them from sharing.
	permalink · 2005-03-09 14:28:02 ·

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Maybe Verizon will share their fiber because it's economically feasible, rather than because it's legislated?

The current legislation is pretty clear: they don't have to share. But I don't think it prevents them from sharing.

I agree, But profit is what They[Verizon] are after, So DSLExtreme would have to be more expensive to be viable over Fios I'd think.
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: ·LINGO ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·surpasshosting ·Verizon FIOS	Re: Blah Blah Blah Same goes for DSL, no? Maybe DSLExtreme will be able to offer me something Verizon doesn't. So I could choose: • Verizon, providing maximum Verizon profit, or • Someone Verizon doesn't lease to, providing zero Verizon profit, or • Someone Verizon leases to, providing some Verizon profit. Maybe it could work? For sure, it's interesting to think about.
	permalink · 2005-03-09 14:40:55 ·

zoom314 Superman Premium join:2001-04-30 Yermo, CA	Re: Blah Blah Blah And be only $30 or so dollars per month? That's what I pay with Verizon for 1.5M/384k DSL service right now. -- Firefox forever!»mysite.verizon.net/zoom314/
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I don't know what DSLExtreme's pricing is, or what their fiber price would be. But certainly they already have DSL customers, despite their ILEC's offering, no?

Right now Verizon offers me zip (except for a copper voice line). So if FiOS ever becomes available, it'll be a good thing. It'll be a fabulous thing if I can pick the vendor though. I've heard pretty horrible things about VZs support (though my experience hooking up my brother's DSL was smooth). Still, I'd be willing to pay a premium to another provider if they offer good support.

If other players jump into the ring, there might be folks who pick someone like Speakeasy because of their sharing policy.

I can think of tons of reasons someone might want an alternate provider, and be willing to pay more for the service.

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I don't know what DSLExtreme's pricing is, or what their fiber price would be. But certainly they already have DSL customers, despite their ILEC's offering, no?

Right now Verizon offers me zip (except for a copper voice line). So if FiOS ever becomes available, it'll be a good thing. It'll be a fabulous thing if I can pick the vendor though. I've heard pretty horrible things about VZs support (though my experience hooking up my brother's DSL was smooth). Still, I'd be willing to pay a premium to another provider if they offer good support.

If other players jump into the ring, there might be folks who pick Speakeasy because of their sharing policy.

I can think of tons of reasons someone might want an alternate provider, and be willing to pay more for the service.

If there is another vendor and You want to go with them then do so, Me when Fios comes here to Yermo or to Hesperia I'll stick with good ole Verizon. As to Verizons tech support, Some are not so good, some are good and some are real good and caring, It's just pot luck when one calls. So I'll stay with Verizon as I'm not well off quite yet, Although I will be soon enough and I won't have to do a thing to get that way(Whether I Like It or not, It will happen).
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That's what's great about choices. My brother's use is very lite, and not very critical, so Verizon's $30 1.5/~somethingorother is perfect for him. I doubt he'd be interested in FiOS even if it were deployed to him because of the price (lowest offering is $40).

For me, it's all about reliability. As a full-time telecommuter, I don't suffer outages well. Spending time trying to convince tier1 that there is an outage is time I'd rather spend working.

My personal experience with Verizon has been good, so if I ever get FiOS, even if I have a choice, I'd probably go with Verizon initially. But what I really need is HO service (home office) - and I'll pay extra to avoid the initial dance with tier1 support.

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zoom314 Superman Premium join:2001-04-30 Yermo, CA	Re: Blah Blah Blah As to reliability, Verizon has been good to Me, I have more problems with SCE during a thunderstorm than I do with Verizon and SCE is back on within a minute or two out here. -- Firefox forever!»mysite.verizon.net/zoom314/
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs:	Re: Blah Blah Blah That's good to hear. Frankly, I'm hoping that whenever Verizon decides to bestow FiOS on me, I'll be able to sign up, install will go fairly smooth, and I'll never have to call support. It sure would be nice to have service for $40.
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zoom314 Superman Premium join:2001-04-30 Yermo, CA	Re: Blah Blah Blah Same here, Except I think I'll be going for the max speed rate available as It won't cost Me that much then. -- Firefox forever!»mysite.verizon.net/zoom314/
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: 1 edit	Re: Blah Blah Blah The max speed for Verizon FiOS is 30/5 for $200.
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zoom314 Superman Premium join:2001-04-30 Yermo, CA	Re: Blah Blah Blah said by JTRockville : The max speed for Verizon FiOS is 30/5 for $200. And Your point on this is? -- Firefox forever!»mysite.verizon.net/zoom314/
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SRFireside join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX	Re: Blah Blah Blah said by zoom314 : And Your point on this is? Verizon max speed will be 30/5 for $200. Why you no listen?!
	permalink · 2005-03-09 15:56:56 ·

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said by zoom314

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And Your point on this is?

Verizon max speed will be 30/5 for $200. Why you no listen?!

I guess I'll just have to spell It out slightly, In the next few Years a $200 bill from Verizon will not be a real problem for Me, Not with an income in the $5k to $10k range. It will be pocket change practically.
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gondola_fry join:2004-06-29 Portland, ME	Re: Blah Blah Blah Let's look at this from another perspective... Verizon being forced to share their fiber network. Think of how this would affect the television industry. 30/5 is more than enough to provide Video. With everyone able to provide a "Triple Play", I would imagine huge rate war. Thoughts? Ideas?
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said by zoom314

said by JTRockville

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The max speed for Verizon FiOS is 30/5 for $200.

And Your point on this is?

You said "I'm not well off quite yet, Although I will be soon enough....". No matter how well off one becomes, isn't it foolish to spend money unwisely?

I didn't really have a point, other than to be sure you were aware of how expensive FiOS can be. Good for you if you will be able to afford it!

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said by JTRockville

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The max speed for Verizon FiOS is 30/5 for $200.

And Your point on this is?

Yeah, It's not like I want to be well off financially really(Not yet at least), But being in a will and being the only living blood relative to My aunt soon, That is life as I'd rather she sticks around for a while longer, My brother is in Her will too, But being He's dying I seriously doubt He will get anything, Unless She goes before He does, She has a pacemaker, Is 88 and can't walk or stand, My brother has Emphysema, Lung Cancer and can't walk or stand either and is living in a hospital bed in His ex-wifes front room and He's 61 now, No one thinks He'll see 62 though. So I'm running out of relatives and Yeah I don't like It.

Note: That's $5k to $10k per month or so, But this is a guess as I don't know the real details, Just that I'll be Well off for life, I think It may be setup as a Trust.
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Pathfinder Dazed Confused Premium join:2000-03-26 Mount Vernon, NY	Verizon FIOS support is totally separate from their DSL support. -- support the Hunley
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs:	Re: Blah Blah Blah Separate but equal? I guess the question is moot for me anyway - I'll never be able to compare VOL support to FiOS support, since it's highly unlikely Verizon will ever deploy DSL to my home.
	permalink · 2005-03-10 09:04:03 ·

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said by dadkins

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Whomever needs to get on the ball and start laying this fiber to more than a few select areas. SBC is doing nothing here, Verizon? Right! Not holding my breath.

Amen! Talk is about as worthless as the bum that's out on the street.
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said by dadkins

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Whomever needs to get on the ball and start laying this fiber to more than a few select areas. SBC is doing nothing here, Verizon? Right! Not holding my breath.

You obviosly are clueless to the fact that Verizon is rapidly rolling out FTTP across the country. It's not easy rolling out fiber to EACH home Verizon services across an ENTIRE continent. It wasn't easy 100 years ago, it's not going to be easy today. It takes time, lots of time. However they are RAPDILY putting entire communities on fiber each day, it just takes time and a lot of money.
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eowen Premium join:2004-05-12 Temecula, CA	hmm if you ask me, id say thats good news to DSLEx.
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Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02	Re: hmm Well it's at least some indication that the next-gen broadband battles won't be pure duopoly....close, but not quite.....
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Re: hmm

Karl Bode

, I'm surprised! A duopoly is the American Way! Next you'll be telling us FOX-News isn't fair and balanced! *

This is good news but falls a little short on any firm commitment... Furthermore ILECs can buy more politicrats than the little guys, like DSL-Ex.

Close but no cigar (yet.)

IMHO It's a little early in the roll-out to make firm commitments as the equipment VZ is installing isn't a 30 dollar modem.

It'll be a while before I see any of it in a Brooklyn MDU, especially with the cherry-picking of roll-out areas.

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We have been

working with DSLExtreme on the site here for a while now, so this is not a suprising development. They have contacted me on a couple of occasions, and Matthew

on a few different occasions as well.

George and his team are cool to work with.. Kudos to george and the team. Hope to see you soon on the ADSL2 or lightspeed front..
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Buying time?

well, i now local telcos and DSL providers have to share their lines with other DSL ISP's (IndiaLink come to mind)
and if memory serves, it is an FCC rule somewhere that states a provider who installs "x" lines has sole use of those lines for "x" period of time, then they must open them up to other providers. which makes sense from a competition point of view, and certainly those providers will get a piece of the customers fee anyhow,...

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Frank is chilling Premium join:2000-11-03 somewhere	How is this even remotely possible? Honestly, I dont really see many isps being able to sell service over verizon fios. How many isps in this country even have the necessary bandwidth to support 1000 customers @ 15mbps/2mbps @ $45 and make a profit???
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It's not a matter of pricing it like you postulate so much as it is providing services that VZ don't want to offer themselves. That's why there are several providers renting the use of VZ DSLAMs. Each has VZ do the hard(er) part of setting up DSLAMs, cross connects, etc., but these alternate ISPs provide the ATM to Internet link, plus all the adjunct services of email, UseNet, etc. There's not a single one of these alternate ISPs that I'm aware of that can compete on price. They're all being undercut by VZ. My only conclusion is the services they provide are worth the extra dollars paid.
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jazzy112 join:2003-12-05 Fargo, ND	why would you want a wannabe provider, when the real deal is already cheaper and will stay that way
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The Way Out join:2003-01-20	Re: why Because DSLExtreme has a BBR Gold award while Verizon does not.
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Because DSLExtreme has a BBR Gold award while Verizon does not.

You can't compare Verizons COPPER DSL to FIBER!

Fiber has no distance limitations, no signal limitations and has MASSIVE amounts of bandwidth compared to copper. Also Verizon serves many more people than DSLEtreme! People who have DSLExtreme RESEARCHED the ISP before. With Verizon you have your average Joe using them for broadband. Your Average Joe doesn't know he can have 3rd party broadband over copper.

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Bill Light Up The Halo Premium,VIP join:2001-12-09 clubs:	"wannabe", lol. It's called customer service. That's the big big difference between DSLX and SBC/Verizon. They haven't released the prices for their FIOS plans yet, so it may be a bit to early to say they are much more expensive. -- The new Secure-Wifi.net is open!
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA	said by jazzy112 : would you want a wannabe provider, when the real deal is already cheaper and will stay that way Because DSLExtreme's rates are a buttload cheaper than SBCs? I'm getting a static 3K/500 DSL line for $43 a month, whereas SBC would want $100+ a month for their static package. Gee, thanks, but no thanks.
	permalink · 2005-03-09 18:54:00 ·

CapnKrunch @dsl.net	Need fiber in my internet diet!!! Any Verizon reps out there? If you install fiber in my neighborhood, I'll be your bestest friend! plz plz purdy plz??? I live in princeton jct gimme a call, I'll have coffee n donuts ready for yer installer crew
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StreetSpirit Premium join:2002-08-13 Roslyn, NY	Re: Need fiber in my internet diet!!! Heck, I'd buy coffee and donuts for a year for the entire crew and bottles of Donny P for their liquor cabinets
	permalink · 2005-03-09 17:09:04 ·

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I hope.....

I hope Verizon won't be FORCED to share their fiber. I like the current prices and the available bandwidth. I don't want them to be forced to share the service right away during deployment because if they are forced to share it they will slow down deployment! Verizon is footing the entire bill ($1500-3000/home) to install FTTP, the 3rd party ISP's are NOT. This is why they shouldn't be forced to share YET. I think in 5 years or so is when we should be looking into that. Sure, I welcome competition but I'd much rather have fiber SOONER then later than worry about competition. I think $44.95/month for 15/2 is a very good price.
I wouldn't mind a 3rd party ISP though, I just don't think it is fair to Verizon at this point.

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StreetSpirit Premium join:2002-08-13 Roslyn, NY	Re: I hope..... Agreed.
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: ·LINGO ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·surpasshosting ·Verizon FIOS	As far as I can tell, Verizon wouldn't have laid fiber if they were going to be forced to share it. I can't imagine they'll be forced to share it any time soon (if ever). But that being said... The sooner Verizon sees ROI, the quicker they will deploy. If sharing makes business sense to Verizon, then I hope they go for it with gusto, and I hope it's wildly successful.
	permalink · 2005-03-09 18:05:49 ·

v-user	I have verizon FIOS I have 15 down 2 up $39.95 a month. I love it nuff said
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ColdFiltered join:2005-01-25 Atlanta, GA	I thought SBC fought NOT to have to do this? Didn't SBC go to the FCC and blackmail them to not have to share their forthcoming fiber networks? I say its pretty much the general attitudes of any network owner to not want to share the networks. in fact, the noly ones wanting network-share are the ones not willing to deploy their own networks.
	permalink · 2005-03-09 23:15:57 ·

prawna7 join:2004-02-12 Los Angeles, CA	Roll out DSL2 ...and when is SBC rolling out DSL2? Some parts of the world already have 100mbit/s and at relatively low pricing.
	permalink · 2005-03-10 00:28:04 ·

ColdFiltered join:2005-01-25 Atlanta, GA	Re: Roll out DSL2 And those parts of the world need it to steal. Of course, I am not saying that this is what all of them do, but what need is their for a residential 100 Mbps service? And you could get this now if you are willing to pay for it.
	permalink · 2005-03-10 10:08:22 ·

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Actually, My company rapid systems www.rapidsys.com is about to start offering services on Verizon fiber in the Tampa Bay market place. The first test installations went in last week and the engineers are testing the service and tweaking the process.

There are technical differences on how each company delivers the service, how it interfaces and how it is aggregated at the ISP end and of course encapsulation. RBE, IRB, PPPOE and PPPOA.

So to the guy that thinks that the phone company should not have to share the last mile with ISP's for your connection to the internet you should educate yourself on whole Carter Phone incident.

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