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America Meets Comcast
Communities react to cable giant
(old news - 03:03PM Tuesday Mar 11 2003)
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The "new and improved" Comcast is busy learning how to get along with communities nationwide, a variety of billing and business changes related to the company's AT&T Broadband acquisition causing mixed reactions the country over. With an advertising campaign championed by four time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong, Comcast has set its sights on being liked by America. As the ads state: "You can't just tell people you're committed. You can't simply talk about strength. You have to prove it."

Naturally the process hasn't been entirely smooth. The acquisition and integration of AT&T Broadband's massive and outdated infrastructure, combined with winning the hearts and minds of new customers is a massive undertaking, and one that many analysts predicted would be met with plenty of obstacles.

You also can't help but make an occasional competitor angry. In Boston, Comcast incorrectly informed thousands of RCN customers that Comcast was their new provider even though they weren't; a move that naturally didn't sit well with RCN. 18 different RCN communities received letters stating that they now fell under the Comcast umbrella, also offering them special pricing plans for television and broadband services.

In response to the letters, RCN spent between $30,000 and $50,000 to contact the 85,000 RCN customers via postcard, e-mail and phone to tell them that "recently, you may have received a communication from Comcast... This is simply not true." RCN filed a complaint with the state Department of Telecommunications and Energy, and may be considering future legal action. Whoops.

Mistakes aside, some customers aren't thrilled by the company's push to force users to upgrade to digital technology to view programming that has long been part of their standard cable package. In Pittsburgh, many are complaining that they're being forced to pay as much as $25 more for the same content. Others are still waiting for upgrades to the old AT&T network, with at least half of Pittsburgh still unable to get digital TV and broadband services.

In Massachusetts, residents are irritated by Comcast's recent decision to eliminate a long running "home brewed" local news channel. Community leaders are particularly angry that Comcast has raised rates, yet is offering less to residents. The low budget newscast, a "Cape Cod alternative" was not a large scale operation, nor was it a contractual obligation, but keeping it intact would have gone a long way toward Comcast's self-proclaimed mission statement of proving their dedication to the customer.

Billing related complaints are in style in the San Francisco area, where many customers are busy complaining about a recent pitch to consolidate their broadband and cable bills. Apparently customers do have a choice if they want to keep their bills isolated, but the language of a recent letter makes that less than clear. "Great news that will simplify your life!" suggests the letters, failing to mention that users have a choice in bill consolidation until the very end of the second page.

And of course there is the rate hikes, an endless stream of communities wondering why cable rates are rising at close to six times the rate of inflation, all while they see little to no improvement in their service. Critics charge Comcast raised rates while hiding behind the AT&T brand, blaming the "old regime" for the hikes, only changing the name officially once the dirty deed was done. While Comcast informs customers the cost of programming is primarily responsible, reports (.pdf file) from groups like the Consumer's Union blame merger mania, aided by monopoly market control as the primary culprits for higher rates.

Naturally not all of the change is being received badly, many areas not requiring much if any effort to provide better service than AT&T Broadband. Upgrades are moving forward, and in some areas Comcast is taking an active role in improving the community. In Modesto, California residents applaud paying Comcast a quarter more a month to fund an ambitious project that would link the city's government and school systems with fiber optics.

If Comcast wishes to stand behind its new Lance Armstrong mantra of "proving commitment", then taking its early post acquisition experiences as a guide, the company needs to make a concerted effort to reduce mistakes, communicate more clearly with customers, support the communities it serves, and ensure that customers feel they're getting something in exchange for the endless rate hikes that many are quickly growing tired of.

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rugby
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Blowing smoke

They're just another big company that doesn't give two poops about the consumer. My rates went up $20/month over the last couple of months. If Comcast wants me to not hate them, they could lower rates and actually IMPROVE SERVICE. I now pay this monopoly $110/month for cable and internet. Sure I could ditch digital cable for satellite, but then my Internet fees jump $20/month.

This is a scam, they should all die for being greedy bastards.

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Re: Blowing smoke

said by rugby See Profile:


This is a scam, they should all die for being greedy bastards.
Jeeze man, most people are greedy - Thats alot of dead people.

Death, No.
Bankrupcy, Yes.

murdok610
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Re: Blowing smoke

Bankruptcy means nothing to them. The corporate parachute they each have is enormous. Even if Comcast went TU tomorrow the corporate execs would STILL make millions even though the hard working techs and other people would get squat.

Death to corporate america

its_just_me

@progress.com

Re: Blowing smoke

"Death to corporate america"

Right. I guess corporate america doesn't supply your internet connection, your car, your food, your clothes, your computer, the games you play etc...

Grow up, or would you prefer that the government supply all of those things mentioned above? Ever had government supplied welfare cheese?

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Re: Blowing smoke

Ooooh, I lub gu'ment cheese......
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Does growing up mean I can adopt the "I'll bend over for corporate America" attitude?
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said by rugby See Profile:
Bankruptcy means nothing to them. The corporate parachute they each have is enormous. Even if Comcast went TU tomorrow the corporate execs would STILL make millions even though the hard working techs and other people would get squat.

Death to corporate america
The corporation itself isn't evil. They are needed for what they can do. What is evil are the people that run them. If the SEC got off its collective as$ and actually prosecuted corrupt CEO's and financial analysts, then we wouldn't be having this problem.

There is a huge problem with management getting million dollar parachutes on their way out, while the company goes to the crapper. If the government went to get ALL of them, rather than just making an example out of just ONE, then we'd all be in a better place. By their own example, I should be able to defraud everyone in site, after all Ken Lay got away with it.

hmmmmmph

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Re: Blowing smoke

Most CEO's and CFO's ARE held accountable for financial misgivings. When a company files a 10-Q, or quarterly earnings ststement to the SEC they both sign it with the understanding that if there are errors within that they are 110% held accountable.

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Re: Blowing smoke

Really?
Then why isn't Ken Lay going to jail?
Really, corporate accountability has seen a lot of press in the last year, and it is common knowledge that CEOs have ripped folks off and gotten away with it on a grand scale.
Obviously, you haven't watched much news in the past year.
Whether they followed the law or not isn't the issue-the laws on the books are only as good as the diligence of their enforcement.
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With an advertising campaign championed by four time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong, Comcast has set its sights on being liked by America. As the ads state: "You can't just tell people you're committed. You can't simply talk about strength. You have to prove it."

Exactly right. The RBOCs should heed this advice. Oklahoma is their chance.
Anyway, cable will remain a viable alternative to all other services provided that it is the easiest to get.
Soon, DirectTv will be owned by SBC, and I for one, will probably ditch it when that happens, because I don't want SBC getting a red cent from me.
If it comes down to Comcast or SBC, I will choose Comcast. At least they seem to be trying to appeal to consumers, which is more than I can say about the RBOCs.
SBC's current campaign with Tommy Lee Jones goes something like this:
"Our lines, our network. SBC."
Arrogance or customer appeal? You decide.
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2farfromCO7

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Re: Blowing smoke

quote:

SBC's current campaign with Tommy Lee Jones goes something like this:
"Our lines, our network. SBC."
Arrogance or customer appeal? You decide.

I take it as a threat, personally.

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Does he say it in a black suit and shades and touting a large, threatening, MIB issue weapon?
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Re: Blowing smoke

I don't know. All you hear is his voice.
I just saw another SBC spot tonight on TV.
The gist of it was (with Tommy Lee Jones again), that if current regulatory reforms "go through" that SBC would be relieved of maintaining all the networks which they currently maintain.
It showed guys in suits (supposedly CLEC salespeople) looking down ito a cable vault under the street saying "Oooooh, I'm not going in there...ugh!" and more suits trying to scale a utility pole without harnesses, and Tommy Lee Jones closes by saying, "if competitors have their way, this is how things will end up".
Has anyone else seen this?
How much more deceptive could that advertising be?
Talk about trying to brainwash people.

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cableblows3

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Re: Blowing smoke

said by BrianDamage See Profile:
I don't know. All you hear is his voice.
I just saw another SBC spot tonight on TV.
The gist of it was (with Tommy Lee Jones again), that if current regulatory reforms "go through" that SBC would be relieved of maintaining all the networks which they currently maintain.
It showed guys in suits (supposedly CLEC salespeople) looking down ito a cable vault under the street saying "Oooooh, I'm not going in there...ugh!" and more suits trying to scale a utility pole without harnesses, and Tommy Lee Jones closes by saying, "if competitors have their way, this is how things will end up".
Has anyone else seen this?
How much more deceptive could that advertising be?
Talk about trying to brainwash people.

yeah, same thing here, and well gosh dog it, i like tommy,
he should think on who he sells his voice to!

loincloth

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said by BrianDamage See Profile:
I just saw another SBC spot tonight on TV...
It showed guys in suits (supposedly CLEC salespeople) looking down ito a cable vault under the street saying "Oooooh, I'm not going in there...ugh!" and more suits trying to scale a utility pole without harnesses, and Tommy Lee Jones closes by saying, "if competitors have their way, this is how things will end up".


I was intrigued when I first saw this commercial. It *is* a top-notch ad in terms of the quality of production: the stunning display of stark visuals; the ominous voice-over.

In terms of its' message... I detest their use of thinly veiled threats and scare tactics. Their use of the word "competitor" as if it were something contemptuous reminds me of how conservatives have managed to make the term "liberal" into a derogatory label, a political kiss of death. The ad portrays the after-math of unabated competition and line-sharing as if it were akin to a post-war or terrorist attack infrastructure (opportunistically preying on the avg Americans post 9/11 fears). Another analogy: the homogenous suburban homeowners who warn that ethnic integration and equal housing opportunities for minorities is a slippery slope to neighborhood and property value deterioration.

I'm waiting for a commercial that evokes fear by comparing the results of line-sharing to the disastrous short-term outcome of the deregulation of energy distibution in California. Of course, it will come with the requisite portrayal of some *other* phantom corporation lurking with evil intent in the shadows, a la Enron, just waiting for the opportunity to pounce on the unsuspecting consumer.

This type of corporate behavior embodies the old adage that "Money is the root of all evil."

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Re: Blowing smoke

In terms of its' message... I detest their use of thinly veiled threats and scare tactics. Their use of the word "competitor" as if it were something contemptuous reminds me of how conservatives have managed to make the term "liberal" into a derogatory label, a political kiss of death. The ad portrays the after-math of unabated competition and line-sharing as if it were akin to a post-war or terrorist attack infrastructure (opportunistically preying on the avg Americans post 9/11 fears). Another analogy: the homogenous suburban homeowners who warn that ethnic integration and equal housing opportunities for minorities is a slippery slope to neighborhood and property value deterioration.
Well put.
That commercial was just plain deceiving.
Yeah, I noticed the overtones that they put to it, and that's what I was pointing out.
Pure brainwashing, intent on scaring consumers into submission.
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fdc639

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I live in the Lindenhurst Illinois area and we are switching over to Comcast. I emailed them regarding Fox News and cable internet (which we don't have here yet). Comcast replied the next day with a tentative May schedule for upgrades. Just this reply is much more than we ever got from ATT or Jones cable.

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Re: Blowing smoke

said by fdc639 See Profile:
I live in the Lindenhurst Illinois area and we are switching over to Comcast. I emailed them regarding Fox News and cable internet (which we don't have here yet). Comcast replied the next day with a tentative May schedule for upgrades. Just this reply is much more than we ever got from ATT or Jones cable.
well i live in fox lake and when we got cable from comcast
i asked about net services and they told me xmas 2k3 or
1Q 2k4 so...

CzechMate73

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Paying 110$ a month?! Just a suggestion, but if you cancel your cable, it still comes through the rj6 cable to your cable modem. At that point all you need to do is pop in a 2-way splitter, and voila! You have cable once more without the extra cost that Comcast charges thus saving the cost they charge for the cable. I know, I work for Comcast!
jrysprngrx

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Re: Blowing smoke

not really buddy its called a video trap no tv signal gets buy

estranged



This did work for some time..However...recently basic cable has been filtered from the Broadband feed. I can no longer tune via my splitter setup. Not a real issue...because I only used it for local programming...which I now get from my Satellite provider...so no biggie

estranged



I know what you mean regarding service rate. Comcast has recently raised my Broadband service from 39.95 to 49.95 plus fees and taxes. All said and done I pay 55.00. At that same time they raised my standard cable TV viewing package rates as well. Raised 10.00 more and took some channels away. At that point I ditched land based cable TV and went with DirecTV satellite service. After all said and done with them...Satellite setup in two rooms for free after promo rebates etc. I pay $55.00 a month for my Satellite service. Much better picture and sound quality. Overall a little less and much better. Last time I checked though...woman at Comcast Customer Service...said I'd save 10.00 a month off my Broadband if I went with Cable TV too. But why..give up better picture and sound ...plus more channels etc. Something you may want to really look into and see if you could benefit
Kip patterson
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Where did they get the names?

I'm intrigued by the mailing to RCN customers - where do you suppose they got the mailing list?

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Blah blah blah

Nothing but more rhetoric about "how good we are for you and the country" and that's why it'll cost ya more.
Total BS.
More cities need to follow Tacoma's CLICK! service and develop their own networks.To hell with these greedy corporate monopolies and their BS rhetoric.It's jsut the same old song and dance my friend.
Tacoma's CLICK! service goes for $29/mo and is FASTER than Comcrap by roughly 500 kb/s on average.
Don't believe it? Look it up on the speed tests.
Tacoma has proven that it can be done.Better speeds at 50% the rate.
Screw Comcrap.
I hope CLICK! hurries up and develops my area of town soon so I can give ATTBI/Comcrap a swift kick in the a$$ forever.
There are several communities developing their own networks and some already in use with much lower rates.
Comcrap will have no choice,but to attempt to be competitive by lowering rates and matching speeds or else they lose the market in those communities.
And I highly doubt that they'll be able to lower rates by 50% AND up speeds to match.
I can only feel sorry for those folks that are still dependant on them for broadband,because I know how they feel or will feel when local communities start producing their own networks offering cable services for far less than Comcrap.Much like I feel right now living merely blocks away from CLICK! network users.
Really sucks that I pay twice as much for lower speeds on top of it.
And the worst thing is that you can't even complain to anyone about their shoddy service because they're not regulated!
Their customer service sucks the big one most definately.
This competition is way overdue and I can hardly wait.
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Re: Blah blah blah

Yo..um, i'm a click-network subscriber, and i'd like to mention that they just cut both upload and download in half. It was 2.5Mbit down/ 256Kbps up and now its 1Mbit down/ 128Kbps up. Thats if you want to keep paying the same price (30 a month). If you want the old speeds, you now have to pay 50 a month. Their service was already getting worse and worse, but this just pushes it too far. I'm planning to change to comcast as soon as I can.
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it's a monopoly

Comcast is a monopoly - they will do what they damn well please until effective competition becomes a reality, which is highly unlikely in the near future.

Get out your KY jelly, boys and girls, it's time to bend over and take it from comcast

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Re: it's a monopoly

said by nasadude See Profile:
Comcast is a monopoly
I still will never understand why anyone still believes this. Most people who are unhappy with their cable service can switch to a satellite provider. And don't tell me that satellite doesn't compete with cable. Anyone who switches from cable to satellite is taking dollars from the cable company and giving it to the satellite company. In this case, the cable company has to convince the customer that its in their best interest that those dollars go to the cable company instead of the satellite company. That's the very essence of competition. Monopolies can only exist if there is no competition, but since there is, then by definition Comcast is not a monopoly.

If you want more proof, look at the kinds of offers Comcast is making to satellite customers to switch to Comcast (in my area, they were offering $400, spread in $25 monthly increments, off the price of digital cable to satellite customers to switch).

The same is true with residential telephone service. If you're unhappy with the rates charged by a landline phone company, get a wireless phone. Most parts of the country have at least one provider that does a good job at that.

Now I'll concede that in matters of high speed internet access, the lack of a reasonable alternative does indeed make the cable company a monopoly in areas in which there is no DSL or anything like that, but as more places roll their own broadband and as more WISPs take off, this too will change.
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Re: it's a monopoly

Okay, who else can I get broadband from in my area? Nobody. That makes them a monopoly.

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Re: it's a monopoly

said by rugby See Profile:
Okay, who else can I get broadband from in my area? Nobody. That makes them a monopoly.
so it's Comcasts fault that nobody else wanted to spend the money to bring broadband service to your community?

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Re: it's a monopoly

Actually, it IS. Traditionally cable companies, including comcast, have asked for exclusive franchises when signing an agreement with a municipality in exchange for spending money to build the network. Your municipality, in return, bargained for stuff like funding for a local cable access channel, coverage of local high school football games etc.
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Re: it's a monopoly

said by kapil See Profile:
Actually, it IS. Traditionally cable companies, including comcast, have asked for exclusive franchises when signing an agreement with a municipality
oh..

I didn't know those franchises forbid the telco from offering DSL, or forbid a WISP from setting up shop, or forbid satellite Internet..

my bad..
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Re: it's a monopoly

In economics, a monopoly (from the Greek monos, one + polein, to sell) is defined as a market situation where there is only one provider of a product or service. A monopoly is characterized by a lack of competition, lack of viable substitutes for the traded good or service, and high barriers to market entry for potential competitors. For example, the monopolist may control a valuable input (such as unique natural resource), or may control some unique intellectual property.

The word is also often used for companies that do have competition, but which have a large market share and use their size to compete in ways which are considered unfair, such as "dumping" products below cost to harm competitors, creating "tying" arrangements between their products, and other practices regulated by Antitrust law.
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said by beerbum See Profile:
said by kapil See Profile:
Actually, it IS. Traditionally cable companies, including comcast, have asked for exclusive franchises when signing an agreement with a municipality
oh..

I didn't know those franchises forbid the telco from offering DSL, or forbid a WISP from setting up shop, or forbid satellite Internet..

my bad..
LOL HERE THAT IS SBC now you have your choice of one monopoly or the other monopoly

kapil
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My comment was in context of comcast being a monopoly. Other avenues of broadband, like DSL, Wireless etc. have their own hurdles...some regulatory some techonologial and some social. Does not change the fact that your local cable company is a monopoly.
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Re: it's a monopoly

We, fortunately, have two cable companies in Columbus. If I don't like Road Runner I can go to WOW, or for that matter, to SBC or XO or Cogent DSL . Not many locations have this advantage.
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Re: it's a monopoly - No, it isn't!

Local authorities MAY NOT enter into exclusive agreements for cable service. Exclusive agreements are prohibited by federal law. See the FCC site for details.

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Re: it's a monopoly - No, it isn't!

said by Kip patterson See Profile:
Local authorities MAY NOT enter into exclusive agreements for cable service. Exclusive agreements are prohibited by federal law. See the FCC site for details.
This is true. In my former place of residence, Ferguson Township, PA (near Penn State), there were 2 cable companies, one was AT&T and the other was some mom and pop operation, which laid its own cables. The second operation also had a franchise agreement with the township (we paid franchise fees on our cable bills we got from them).
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said by Kip patterson See Profile:
Local authorities MAY NOT enter into exclusive agreements for cable service. Exclusive agreements are prohibited by federal law. See the FCC site for details.
unnn WRONG WRONG WRONG! they did it here in indiana! they only recently have been talking about another cable company coming to town, after some 25-30 years. time warner got most of indy and comcast got the ring around the city.
THANK YOU for keeping high prices local cable board!

hmmm come to think of it, we pay a franchise fee too, i will have to check and see if that is legal
[text was edited by author 2003-03-12 04:57:14]
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Re: it's a monopoly - No, it isn't!

"Franchising authorities may charge the cable operator a fee for the right to operate a cable system in that franchise area; however, the franchise fee paid by the cable system can be no more than five percent of its annual gross revenue. A franchising authority may use the money collected from this fee for any purpose. A cable operator must list any applicable franchise fee as a separate item on the subscriber's bill."

No, it is not wrong. Communication is interstate commerce and as such is under the sole control of the federal government - see the constitution. State and local governments have only as much say over communications as the federal government allows them. The basic governing law is the Communications Act of 1934, as amended.

"The Communications Act authorizes local franchising authorities to grant one or more franchises within their jurisdiction. However, a local franchising authority may not grant an exclusive franchise, and may not unreasonably withhold its consent for new service. Included in the grant of a franchise to a cable system are rights relating to the construction of the system, including the local franchising authority's authorization to use public rights-of-way, easements, and to establish the areas to be served."

From:

»www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/csgen.html
jrysprngrx

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you can always get satelite internet

kapil
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I disagree with you. Your suggestion that the abundance of wireless providers, in effect, means that the ILECs are not monopolies is simply lame. You could extrapolate that to mean that if there is not a viable wireless carrier in your locality, and you hate your ILEC, like we all do, you can string two cans together and call it competition. An example of fair competition and competitive behavior is the wireless industry....you don't like verizon...go to cingular....cingular piss you off?, go to Tmobile. In Chicago, where I live, I have 8 different wireless carriers begging for my business. NOW THAT'S COMPETITION. If I need a land line....I can go to SBC....or one of the handful of other CLECs that resell SBC. Now, if I HATE SBC, I can go with one of the resellers...and I have...but that is not competition. Try getting Covad "line-shared" DSL on your AT&T Local line. YOU CAN'T! ...even though AT&T local resells SBC in Illinois....you have to be a SBC voice customer to be able to get line sharing on your line. If that isn't monopolistic, what is? I don't wish to get into an argument about the legality of all this....every big company has enough lawyers who get paid to make sure the company does business legally. But that does not stop the company from violating the spirit in which the law was written. The cable-satellite thing is more of a grey area. Yes, if I hate comcast, I can get directv....and again, I have. BUT that does not mean that comcast is not a monopoly. NO OTHER COMPANY owns cable lines where I live and comcast doesn't let another company broadcast over its lines. Again, if that isn's a monopoly, what is?
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rody_40

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Re: it's a monopoly

any other cable company can come and put there lines in tho. if you pay to put a pool in does that mean anyone should be able to use it.

kapil
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Re: it's a monopoly

No...if I pay to install a pool on my personal property then no one else should have the right to enjoy it without my consent. However, if a builder was building a new subdivision...and I go talk to him and offer to put a community pool in and maintain it for a low low fee on behalf of the homeowners association, I can not later claim that the pool is for my own enjoyment only.
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Pingfast

join:2003-03-28
Asbury Park, NJ

Do your homework! Telecommunications Act of 1996 allows your municipality, meaning the people that YOU vote into office, to allow another cable provider to come into your municipality, or even to build their own, if they feel underserved by their cable co. Also your local government decides on renewal of the franchise every few years get to know town officials. As long as there are other options out there, cable has no monopoly.

tsu9

join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL

I never did understand...

They keep raising rates due to channels upping their share (like ESPN/etc). Why don't they develop something where people can.. choose (? whoa!) what channels they want? I sure as hell don't want to pay an additional 10$ per month because a horde of sports channels I don't watch ever want more cash.

Its wasteful from the get-go.

It'll be digital when I can alter my subscription settings to edit out channels I do not wish to receive, much less pay for. Until then, analog it is.

bah.

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PloKoon
Bumper Sticker Doctrine

join:2002-01-06
Cherry Hill, NJ

Proof

"You can't just tell people you're committed. You can't simply talk about strength. You have to prove it."

They've proven over the past few months that I can hardly afford to have cable in my home any longer.
Tommer

join:2002-01-18
Santa Clara, CA

.

I asked them if they would lower my rates, provide better picture quality (their "digital" is not really digital), and also provide more channel offerings.. they said no, and I said I can get all that with satellite, so I did.... and you should too

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nil
Java Geek
join:2000-11-27

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Customer Service?

From my very recent and still ongoing customer service experience with AT&T "soon to be Comcast" I'd say they have no customer service department to speak of..
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djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA

Stop blowing smoke up my ***

And give my my HDTV locals with integrated PVR already!

:(:D:(

-- Rob
ATTGUY2

join:2002-06-02
Fremont, CA

Big Bad Beast

The bible talks about the "beast" in the east rising from sea. Well it's here.
cbrain

join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD

Baseball, apple pie, Comcast and USA!

I feel good all over.

Keep the ads coming and don't fix anything.

encinomanbrewery

@attbi.com

Same unreliable ATT Broadband, but more expensive

I dumped ATT Digital Cable TV service for Direct TV recently after they raised up my rates and all of the non-digital programs. Not only that but they were actually more expensive.

Now I get in the notice that ATT sold the cable service to Comcast and they want to raise up my rates another 11 dollars a month since I don't have Comcast Cable TV anymore they want to charge me an extra $14 per month. F'them, I will switch it to DSL or Satellite too!!!

Dominik

@attbi.com

Ok here

It's all good over here. I get speeds typically 1600-1800 down and 150-200 up. my ping is pretty good. I live in chicago area. Oh yeah, my cost is still $45 mo w/ modem rental - this is after the comcast merger. And I DO NOT have cable television at all...
bschott

join:2002-04-16
Royersford, PA

My 2 Cents worth

I applaud Comcast! I've recently begun to use a Comcast cable modem here at home and I'm completely happy. About 2 years ago, Comcast bought out our local cable company -- Suburban Cable. This company was terrible. When we moved into our townhouse, I naturally had to choose Suburban as our cable vendor, however within a few months I was the first on in our development with a DirecTV dish up fighting the homeowners association with the newly released 1996 Telecommunications Act.

Before we lived in our current residence, we had and used Comcast cable for many years at previous residences. Yes the price was slowly rising but I was happy with the service. However now that I have my satellite, I'll NEVER go back to cable. I currently drop about 90.00 bucks a month on my Satellite reception and couple that with my DirecTivo and I'm in heaven.

Until recently, I was using ISDN through Verizon since 1995 at approximately 150-170 per month. Yes this is ridiculous, but I could not go back to a analog modem.
When Direcway announced 2-way Internet, I ditched that ISDN faster than you can say it and installed the Direcway 2-way Satellite system. Aside from the great download speeds, its uplink speed was equivalent to a 9600 baud modem in my opinion. Back in the days when I bought a Northgate 386/20, with a mono video card and 1 Meg of ram on the motherboard.

I suffered with the Satellite Internet connection for about a year. During that year, Comcast was running new fiber down the streets and head ends in our development. The straw finally broke the camels back about a month ago with the lame Satellite setup and I decided to invest in a Linksys Cable Modem and Router and get Comcast to drop a cable line into our house for their Cable Modem service. My speed averages about 1300/250 so you can see that I'm completely happy with this service. So I'm paying 57.95 for the Comcast service and I'm also still paying 59.99 for the Direcway feed (even though the modem turned off and uninstalled - Got a month to go or early termination fee is 400.00).

This is not to say that I don’t think Comcast has issues. Yes their 1st level tech support is lame and really doesn’t listen, but I'm willing to deal with that. And in the end if you make enough stink, the do seem to care. And they also seem to make attempts to provide what the customer wants. Suburban was promising cable modems for over 6 years, but two years after Comcast took control, I'm now sitting pretty with a more than acceptable internet feed.

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast

Re: My 2 Cents worth

said by bschott See Profile:
About 2 years ago, Comcast bought out our local cable company -- Suburban Cable. This company was terrible.
Ugh... Suburban Cable... I remember that nightmare... they originally told us that they wouldn't bring broadband to our area till 2006-2008.
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furlonium
Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?

join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA

Re: My 2 Cents worth

said by pnh102 See Profile:
Ugh... Suburban Cable... I remember that nightmare... they originally told us that they wouldn't bring broadband to our area till 2006-2008.

At least it's better than the DSL providers or Cable providers lying to you about an est. availability time, like they've all done to me. "We should have it laid out in 3-6 months" 6 months later "6 more months" 1 year later "we don't service that area" hah!

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast

Re: My 2 Cents worth

said by furlonium See Profile:
At least it's better than the DSL providers or Cable providers lying to you about an est. availability time, like they've all done to me. "We should have it laid out in 3-6 months" 6 months later "6 more months" 1 year later "we don't service that area" hah!
Yea, I gave up on DSL back in 2000 when I wrote a letter to Verizon Online asking them why I couldn't get DSL here... to their credit they called back and explained the situation and told me most likely DSL will never be available here.
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Cheddarhead
Ain't Nuthin But A Thang

join:2002-02-19
Hudson, WI
·Comcast

Comcast nicey nice

I like comcast. They are my friend. In my area, we just had the name change from attbi to comcast, but not email addy yet? Commicast are very nice folks, who only care about their customers. I know, because they are my friends. We go out and play sometimes, cuz they like me for who I am, a customer with rights, first, and a endless pit of green, second. I like corporations too. Cuz they are so ethical and know what is best for me, and my money.
So all you meany weany people quit talking badly about my friends at comcast.

Disclaimer: The preceding statement is purely bullshit. The author makes no claim that commicast is his friend in real life, as he knows corporate america sucks the big circle steak. So there

WTheF

@wmis.net

WTF

I want to know this, if they want America to like them, why are they using a French man to tout its ad?!?

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast

Re: WTF

said by WTheF:
why are they using a French man to tout its ad?!?
I hope you were not intentionally insulting Lance Armstrong by suggesting he is a wimpy frenchie. He isn't!
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Timmn

join:2000-04-23
Tinley Park, IL
·AT&T Yahoo

I have to start printing money!

Just got the latest cable bill from AT&T, my "expanded basic" is now $48.73/Mo. It's getting to the point where I will no longer be able to afford it, and I have been told that another increase is on the way. It's time to put the antenna back on the roof.

The question I have for the cable company is where do they expect me to get all this money from? My pockets are not deep.

rcdiver
Premium
join:2000-12-13
Monessen, PA
clubs:

Quit watching TV!

     The only way to make them feel anything is to cancel your cable!
     I know this is highly likely in this couch-potato age we live in but if enough people just said "ENOUGH ALREADY" maybe they would do something. The thing about that is Comcast knows that people will not give up their remote controls and bowls of popcorn so they will continue to gouge them.
     So keep paying their outrageous prices for shoddy service or do something real about it.
     For the record, I haven't had cable in over 1.5 yrs and I don't miss it.
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macmouse
Premium
join:2002-05-30
Saratoga, CA

Re: Quit watching TV!

>I know this is highly likely in this couch-potato age we live >in but if enough people just said "ENOUGH ALREADY" maybe they >would do something.

So true. Actually, a large amount of people had left attbi. I believe it was around 100,000 people. They were seriously worried about this and created their new advertising campain with low intro rates. Although in the end, thats only a temporary solution.So it *is* working! We just need to keep going.

rcdiver
Premium
join:2000-12-13
Monessen, PA
clubs:

Re: Quit watching TV!

said by macmouse See Profile:
They were seriously worried about this and created their new advertising campaign with low intro rates. Although in the end, thats only a temporary solution. So it *is* working! We just need to keep going.
I still get the "Please come back" letters in the mail and they go down every month. The first one was for "1 free month" of basic cable. The latest one offered basic digital cable and internet access for $39.90 a month for one year, for both.
So how can they justify these rate increases and yet offer me each service for $19.95 a month? They're gouging the longterm users who they know won't give up their cable.

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Hayward
K A R - 1 2 0 C
Premium
join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL


Comcast's brilliant PR move in Key West

First thing they did was a system audit and disconnected anyone they even THOUGHT had an illegal hook-up.

Well I know several people who had perfectly legal connections that were disconnected, and it took days to get reconnected, usually with calls to Corp HQ.

Way to impress a community already totally ticked off at ATT Barfband.

And they like ATT will still be scratching their heads over why Satellite dishes keep popping up like mushrooms.
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jrysprngrx

join:2003-02-16
Chester, VA

WHINING AND MOANING(IDiotsw

Analog channels come through one per frequency however there are on average 4 digital channels per frequency the compact them into a quam and the digital box separates them all the channels your cable company offers could be digital however they would need permission from those channels to alter there signal since they have copyrights and patents on their signal cable companies could be sued for converting a channel without an agreement. i have no issues with my cable company at all and to hear all the whining and moaning irritates me. If you don't like it get rid off it . CABLE IS NOT A NECESSITY . cable companies are also not a utility where as phone and power are guaranteed a profit through your tax dollars cable companies are not. what they make is what they make.And as long as people are willing to pay for it then it will remain as it is. If you don't like the service and think you pay to much for channels you don't watch and unstable slow internet service then get rid off it. or maybe you should call the local branch and speak to the general manager and ask him to resolve the issues you have.SO GET OVER IT AND STOP WHINING!!!
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