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American Airlines Installs Broadband On First Plane
15 Boeing 767-200 aircraft to be outfitted this year...
by Karl Bode 07:01PM Tuesday Jan 22 2008
American Airlines says they've completed the first installation of Aircell in-flight wireless broadband gear in one of the airline's Boeing 767-200 aircraft. That aircraft will now undergo in-flight testing as the company awaits final approval from the FAA before offering commercial service. The company says they'll be installing the technology throughout the year on all 15 of their Boeing 767-200 aircraft, which primarily fly domestic transcontinental routes.

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Aircell's air-to-ground inflight Internet system for commercial aircraft uses three lightweight antennae installed on the outside of the aircraft. One antenna, the PCS/GPS antenna, is mounted on the top of the aircraft, and the other two antennae are mounted to the bottom of the aircraft. Customers access the broadband signal using their own Wi-Fi enabled devices, which communicate directly with wireless access points that are distributed evenly throughout the aircraft cabin ceiling. The signal will be transmitted through the 3mhz signal from air to ground using 92 cellular towers throughout the continental United States.
"There's a tremendous amount of intrigue and appeal for travelers to be able to utilize the Internet when traveling 30,000 feet above the United States at 500 miles per hour," says a marketing rep for American. Once commercially launched, Wi-Fi will cost $12.95 for flights longer than three hours, and $10 for shorter flights.

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LaZ3R
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Eh..

I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad .

I'd like to know what the speeds are however...
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Re: Eh..

Speeds should be in the megabit range. Their earlier technology is merely a cellular repeater which runs at 9.6 kilobits (the old cellular data spec).

Something about the story is not right though. I can't see them using "3 MHz" for this...especially since it uses CDMA EVDO for the air-to-ground link.
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Re: Eh..

said by RadioDoc:

Speeds should be in the megabit range. Their earlier technology is merely a cellular repeater which runs at 9.6 kilobits (the old cellular data spec).

Something about the story is not right though. I can't see them using "3 MHz" for this...especially since it uses CDMA EVDO for the air-to-ground link.
Maybe 3Mbps and the original author (or his source) was confused?

LaZ3R
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The 3Mhz caught me off guard as well... is that right?? :|

funkyfelty
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the article is correct, it does only use 3MHz

RadioDoc
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Re: Eh..

3 MHz of what, exactly? 3 MHz of spectrum bandwidth or 3 MHz as the radio frequency? The latter doesn't make any sense.
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funkyfelty
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Re: Eh..

894 - 895.5MHz
Here is the info on the Auction.

»wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/defaul···ry&id=65
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RadioDoc
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Re: Eh..

Thanks.
whocares0
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said by RadioDoc:

Speeds should be in the megabit range.
nope speed is measured in mach

heels_fan
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Re: Eh..

said by whocares0:

said by RadioDoc:

Speeds should be in the megabit range.
nope speed is measured in mach
Jazzy they are talking about bandwidth speed, not the speed of the plane
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said by LaZ3R:

I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad .

I'd like to know what the speeds are however...
your speeds varing by a # of things, altitude,wind conditions , the airline, normally your cruising between 460 knots to maz of 490 knots.
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said by LaZ3R:

I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad .

I'd like to know what the speeds are however...
oh screw that if i see someone that pays for internet on a flight and i'm on there, they will be putting ADHOC on for me
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Re: Eh..

said by competence:

said by LaZ3R:

I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad .

I'd like to know what the speeds are however...
oh screw that if i see someone that pays for internet on a flight and i'm on there, they will be putting ADHOC on for me
or you explain to the person using the internet VERY POLITELY,but you would probably get a reply like, you want me to put that connection where

It's like when the airline came out with the AIR Phone,
(something to try to stay ahead of the competition) how many actually used the air phone,befor cell phone, NOT MANY because of the cost.
and this will be the same way,
most-private person on pleasure travel) will not pay $10.00-$15.00 just to send a text message, "WISH you were here or
hello I'am flying 91,021 feet at Mach 9 while typing this and by the time you get this i will be there,

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said by LaZ3R:

I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad .

I'd like to know what the speeds are however...
OK, so a silly question, everyone, it seems, gets all upset about internet access pricing. The airlines are willing to provide 1 day at most of service for the cost of a month?

KaChing...thank god for business travelers with expense accounts.

Does this mean we can finally use our cell phones, or do we need to get IP telephony providers to make conducting business on the plane a reality?

Either way, good riddance to the VZ-airline tethered cell phones!!!

A few more trips with my cell phone on might finally convince me that the cell phone restriction for security is a farce. We'll see.
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Re: Eh..

xsiddalx
A few more trips with my cell phone on might finally convince me that the cell phone restriction for security is a farce. We'll see.
or maybe I hope never happens to you, you could dial 911 and let someone know whats going on as your heading down.
wstcstdrmr

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speed?

said in article the speeds are similar to the speeds on the phone if your using the internet.

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Wireless security?

How secure will this be for the average business user who could give a hacker on board about 3-5 hours to do whatever he/she pleases? I'd rather have an ethernet port on the armrest of my seat.

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Re: Wireless security?

How would that be any different? A connection is a connection.
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said by kyler13:

How secure will this be for the average business user who could give a hacker on board about 3-5 hours to do whatever he/she pleases? I'd rather have an ethernet port on the armrest of my seat.
You would be on the same side of the router/switch/nat (if there is one) as everyone else on the plane, wired wouldn't matter.
In public you could get hacked by wired, wi-fi, IR, Bluetooth, etc without the proper security practices.
Use a good firewall and turn off non-essential access, the newer versions of these protocols have higher security options.
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Cisco and other vender's have a function...something like "isolate wireless clients".

I'm not even going to pretend to understand how it works, but a high level description is that X and Y both connect to "Linksys". They are both on 10.10.10.0/24. X, at .1 cannot talk to Y at .2. X and Y, though can both connect to anything on the wired side of the AP.

Firewall/Filtered bridge - isolation to the rest of the network.

X connecting to Y has, I believe in a MS patch (for XP/Vista) that does warn of a Peer-to-Peer connection.

ninjatutle
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How about some electrical outlets too

So much bandwidth, so little power.

L337
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Re: How about some electrical outlets too

They will need to upgrade their power supply unit too =D
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Re: How about some electrical outlets too

said by L337:

They will need to upgrade their power supply unit too =D
[b]why not{/b] just forget that idea of internet on a flight?,
just "something else we need to take care of, & you can bet your high flying azxzxzx there is going to be some FOOL on board that is going to try to see if they can hack the "birds" on board "brain".

MysticGogeta
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Could be a power issue think about 100+ running laptops.

LaZ3R
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Re: How about some electrical outlets too

Ok, there most definitely will not be more than 100 people with laptops on the same flight lol, I've never seen that before on a commercial jet airliner...
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said by ninjatutle:

So much bandwidth, so little power.
doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes.

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Re: How about some electrical outlets too

said by wstcstdrmr:

said by ninjatutle:

So much bandwidth, so little power.
doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes.
You mean ONLY First class.

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Re: How about some electrical outlets too

There are power ports in the "premium" section of coach on many United planes. American is probably the same. Can't remember for sure since I rarely fly on AA.
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Re: How about some electrical outlets too

I was actually on an AA flight this past Sunday, and each row (throughout the plane) had 3 cigarette lighter style plugs, one on one side of the aisle and 2 on the other. They were under the seat. I don't normally fly American, so I'm not sure if that is common, or unique to that plane.

so one side of the aisle had one plug for 2 seats, and the other side had 2 plugs for 3 seats.
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Re: How about some electrical outlets too

That would be on the MD-80s, the bulk of American's domestic fleet.
wstcstdrmr

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»www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?p=/···abin.jsp

read the powerport section. not all seats in coach do but some. you can also check the configuration. to see the where the ports are.

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said by Siko:

said by wstcstdrmr:

said by ninjatutle:

So much bandwidth, so little power.
doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes.
You mean ONLY First class.
Not true. Every seat in First class has powerports, but there are rows in coach that have powerports as well.
cgigate

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said by wstcstdrmr:

said by ninjatutle:

So much bandwidth, so little power.
doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes.
No! you have use your battery!
slomike2

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You can look this (powerport availability) up on seatguru.com.

Here is the info on the 767-200s

»www.seatguru.com/airlines/Americ···-200.php

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CCNnorthcali

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Great if you fly JFK-LAX/SFO

The 767-200s almost only fly transcontinental flights between New York's JFK to LA or San Fransisco. There is a major focus on premium service on these routes for frequent fliers, so it makes sense they would test the service there first. I'll be interested to see how well it works.

Edit- I guess I skimmed the article the first time I read it, they do mention they fly mostly transcons.

Dogfather
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I usually fly United

But would consider flying AA depending on availability and price. It would be nice to get an extra 8 hours of work done on a round trip flight from LAX to JFK. Perfect excuse to drip a few dimes on a MBA.
J0k3r

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Pretty cool.... I think?

Too bad most of my business trips are on 1:30hr or less flights.Even still, if they offered it for my short flights, I'd more than likely use it.

To all worried about AC plugs, stop buying the 22" wide screen, water cooled laptops with 1w wireless cards, lighted keyboards, 60 million different types of ports, integrated webcams, 1000GBs of RAM, and 50,000Ghz CPUs, that you just use for email and word processing... Or at least when you bought the monster laptop you shouldn't have "cheaped" it on the battery

(The numbers were obviously exaggerated for humor)

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of times I said to myself I wish an AC port, but if you plan ahead it shouldn't be a major issue on flights 5hrs IMO.

My IBM T60 is hooked up with a nice extended battery and I tweak it for battery saving settings it will last about 7hrs. The best part is, I always have an extra charged extended battery ready to roll. If both of them die during a flight for some reason, I normally keep my PSP charged so that's like another 5hrs of enjoyment :P