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| Re: Eh.. Speeds should be in the megabit range. Their earlier technology is merely a cellular repeater which runs at 9.6 kilobits (the old cellular data spec).
Something about the story is not right though. I can't see them using "3 MHz" for this...especially since it uses CDMA EVDO for the air-to-ground link. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: Eh.. said by RadioDoc :Speeds should be in the megabit range. Their earlier technology is merely a cellular repeater which runs at 9.6 kilobits (the old cellular data spec). Something about the story is not right though. I can't see them using "3 MHz" for this...especially since it uses CDMA EVDO for the air-to-ground link. Maybe 3Mbps and the original author (or his source) was confused? | |
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| said by RadioDoc :Speeds should be in the megabit range. nope speed is measured in mach | |
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| Re: Eh.. said by whocares :said by RadioDoc :Speeds should be in the megabit range. nope speed is measured in mach Jazzy they are talking about bandwidth speed, not the speed of the plane | |
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| said by LaZ3R :I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad  . I'd like to know what the speeds are however... your speeds varing by a # of things, altitude,wind conditions , the airline, normally your cruising between 460 knots to maz of 490 knots. -- FRIEND with Many, leery of a few, & Will ALWAYS be the enemy to SOME, regardless of what WE do.
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| said by LaZ3R :I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad  . I'd like to know what the speeds are however... oh screw that if i see someone that pays for internet on a flight and i'm on there, they will be putting ADHOC on for me  | |
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| Re: Eh.. said by competence :said by LaZ3R :I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad  . I'd like to know what the speeds are however... oh screw that if i see someone that pays for internet on a flight and i'm on there, they will be putting ADHOC on for me or you explain to the person using the internet VERY POLITELY,but you would probably get a reply like, you want me to put that connection where
It's like when the airline came out with the AIR Phone, (something to try to stay ahead of the competition) how many actually used the air phone,befor cell phone, NOT MANY because of the cost. and this will be the same way, most-private person on pleasure travel) will not pay $10.00-$15.00 just to send a text message, "WISH you were here or hello I'am flying 91,021 feet at Mach 9 while typing this and by the time you get this i will be there,
-- FRIEND with Many, leery of a few, & Will ALWAYS be the enemy to SOME, regardless of what WE do.
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| said by LaZ3R :I guess if you can't get distracted by the movies they off, the cool view outside the plane, or the food they offer... $10-13 for an internet service on a plane isn't too bad  . I'd like to know what the speeds are however... OK, so a silly question, everyone, it seems, gets all upset about internet access pricing. The airlines are willing to provide 1 day at most of service for the cost of a month?
KaChing...thank god for business travelers with expense accounts.
Does this mean we can finally use our cell phones, or do we need to get IP telephony providers to make conducting business on the plane a reality?
Either way, good riddance to the VZ-airline tethered cell phones!!!
A few more trips with my cell phone on might finally convince me that the cell phone restriction for security is a farce. We'll see. | |
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| Re: Eh.. xsiddalx A few more trips with my cell phone on might finally convince me that the cell phone restriction for security is a farce. We'll see. or maybe I hope never happens to you, you could dial 911 and let someone know whats going on as your heading down. | |
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2 edits | said by kyler13 :How secure will this be for the average business user who could give a hacker on board about 3-5 hours to do whatever he/she pleases? I'd rather have an ethernet port on the armrest of my seat. You would be on the same side of the router/switch/nat (if there is one) as everyone else on the plane, wired wouldn't matter. In public you could get hacked by wired, wi-fi, IR, Bluetooth, etc without the proper security practices. Use a good firewall and turn off non-essential access, the newer versions of these protocols have higher security options. -- Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts, Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit, With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish. Solon | |
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| Cisco and other vender's have a function...something like "isolate wireless clients".
I'm not even going to pretend to understand how it works, but a high level description is that X and Y both connect to "Linksys". They are both on 10.10.10.0/24. X, at .1 cannot talk to Y at .2. X and Y, though can both connect to anything on the wired side of the AP.
Firewall/Filtered bridge - isolation to the rest of the network.
X connecting to Y has, I believe in a MS patch (for XP/Vista) that does warn of a Peer-to-Peer connection. | |
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| Re: How about some electrical outlets too said by L337 :They will need to upgrade their power supply unit too =D [b]why not{/b] just forget that idea of internet on a flight?, just "something else we need to take care of, & you can bet your high flying azxzxzx there is going to be some FOOL on board that is going to try to see if they can hack the "birds" on board "brain". | |
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| said by ninjatutle :So much bandwidth, so little power. doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes. | |
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| Re: How about some electrical outlets too said by wstcstdrmr :said by ninjatutle :So much bandwidth, so little power. doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes. You mean ONLY First class. | |
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1 edit | Re: How about some electrical outlets too I was actually on an AA flight this past Sunday, and each row (throughout the plane) had 3 cigarette lighter style plugs, one on one side of the aisle and 2 on the other. They were under the seat. I don't normally fly American, so I'm not sure if that is common, or unique to that plane.
so one side of the aisle had one plug for 2 seats, and the other side had 2 plugs for 3 seats. -- Lightning Bolt Technologies | |
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| Re: How about some electrical outlets too Any transcon or flight lasting more than 2.5 hours should have a port. Newer Boeing MD-8x and 767/757/747 typically will have them. Not all 737's will have them. They didn't install them until the 400 series and some older 737's are used for short hops where power ports aren't practical. Older MD-8x models acquired in the TWA merger may not have them either.
Airbus A310 won't have them but later A32x models will. I don't think AA flies the A340.
No Bombardier or Embraer CRJ/ERJ will have them. Only United and US Airways have the EMB-170/175/190 and they do have them. | |
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1 edit | Re: How about some electrical outlets too Are you talking about American? They don't fly 747s or any other model 737 than the 737-800. They don't fly any Airbus other than the A300, no A310 or A320 are in their fleet. I'm pretty sure almost all the MD-80s have the new interiors by now, including the cigarette-style power ports.
The 737s have a handful of powerports in coach, and at every seat in first. You can see here: »www.seatguru.com/airlines/Americ···-800.php
I also wanted to mention US Airways and United do not own any of the Embraer planes. Those are all owned by other airlines that contract (usually under Express or Connection). jetBlue flies EMB-190s, they were the launch customer. | |
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| Re: How about some electrical outlets too said by CCNnorthcali :Are you talking about American? I was speaking generically. I referenced the former TWA since AA bought them and they were heavy MD-8x users.
Republic/Chautauqua use the EMB's under the United Express/US Airways Express banners. "Have" is merely a semantic for "operating".
Every carrier outfits differently, it was a response based on my recent travels. | |
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| said by Siko :said by wstcstdrmr :said by ninjatutle :So much bandwidth, so little power. doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes. You mean ONLY First class. Not true. Every seat in First class has powerports, but there are rows in coach that have powerports as well. | |
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| said by wstcstdrmr :said by ninjatutle :So much bandwidth, so little power. doesnt American Airlines have powerports on some planes? not every seat but some do. first and coach classes. No! you have use your battery! | |
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1 edit | Great if you fly JFK-LAX/SFO The 767-200s almost only fly transcontinental flights between New York's JFK to LA or San Fransisco. There is a major focus on premium service on these routes for frequent fliers, so it makes sense they would test the service there first. I'll be interested to see how well it works.
Edit- I guess I skimmed the article the first time I read it, they do mention they fly mostly transcons. | |
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| Pretty cool.... I think? Too bad most of my business trips are on 1:30hr or less flights.Even still, if they offered it for my short flights, I'd more than likely use it.
To all worried about AC plugs, stop buying the 22" wide screen, water cooled laptops with 1w wireless cards, lighted keyboards, 60 million different types of ports, integrated webcams, 1000GBs of RAM, and 50,000Ghz CPUs, that you just use for email and word processing... Or at least when you bought the monster laptop you shouldn't have "cheaped" it on the battery 
(The numbers were obviously exaggerated for humor)
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of times I said to myself I wish an AC port, but if you plan ahead it shouldn't be a major issue on flights 5hrs IMO.
My IBM T60 is hooked up with a nice extended battery and I tweak it for battery saving settings it will last about 7hrs. The best part is, I always have an extra charged extended battery ready to roll. If both of them die during a flight for some reason, I normally keep my PSP charged so that's like another 5hrs of enjoyment :P | |
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