Amsterdam Tests Residential 1Gbps Fiber

Where's ours?????????????????????????

Santa Clara, CA.
Google Paxio for information.

Sounds good[if you happen to live in the tiny pocket they serve]

I figure in 10 or 15 years we MIGHT have these kinds of speeds, if we're lucky.

that would be awesome, though - we could hit our comcast cap in about 5 minutes!

It will be several years at a minimum before you would NEED anything close to 1Gbps. This would be as useful as having a 108Mbps wireless router connected to a 6Mb DSL circuit.

It would be nice to be able to download an entire HD movie in under a minute.

1 Gbps is unreal. With those speeds you could hit Comcast's 250 GB cap in a approximately 33 minutes.

No, you would not hit that cap in 33 minutes. The far end isn't going to feed you that HD movie at 1Gbps. Even on our internal network it still takes a few minutes to push 10Gb files from one machine to the other.

Thats not a true statement. Just because you have a GigE connection doesnt mean anything when it comes to using the internet. Content on the 'net is two way, meaning that your computer sends out a request and then the remote server sends it to you. Unless the site you are connecting to also has a GigE upload, you arent going to get your content any faster. For instance, most websites are served via T1's. This means you will not be able to download content from them any faster than 1.54Mbps, regardless of if you have a 2Mbps connection or a 10Gbps uber pipe.

True you aren't likely to get 1 Gbps from a single source, but from multiple sources (example: BitTorrent) it's possible.

Correct, bit torrent and the like are the exception. Even then I think you would have a problem funneling 1 gig per second to a single destination (ie. your computer), however I dont know if anyone has tried!

Yes you're right. With BT or a download accelerator you could get the full 1Gb/s.

My brother has a 100Mb/s connection in his apartment, and he gets ridiculously high off other peers and many file hosting servers all the time.

I think his record was something like 10,000kB/s or 10MB/s or 80Mb/s. If he had 1Gbit/s I'm sure he would get the same.

I think he had two other jpn seeds, and he got almost 2.2MB/s off one guy.

That may have been true five or ten years ago, but that is no longer the case. Most are now connected at speeds of 10Mbps or higher.

You Sir are dead wrong. Or better yet I have a 14.4 modem for you enjoy.

We're lucky enough here to have real competition, so our internet connections are far superior to this so-called "fiber." Here in the US we have REAL fiber. The type that ends far before your front door to provide the best possible service to you and your family!

Edit: Also note that your US internet connection is capable of sending 500,000 emails PER MONTH!!!!!! I know that's a little overwhelming. Take a minute to absorb it.

"Real" competition? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're living in a fantasyland if you believe that "competition" consists of exactly 1 DSL and exactly 1 cable co. provider for BB service in any given market. And that's only IF you reside in a metro area. BB in rural areas of the country is by & large non-existent.

I think he was being sarcastic

I am originally from the Netherlands, now living in California. The Dutch telecom operators have - in the past, not anymore - gotten big government subsidies to implement data networks and cable TV.

The Netherlands is roughly half the size of Maine, or twice the size of New Hampshire, to give you an idea of size, and currently 98% of the country can get DSL and CableTV, and as much as 5% can get municipal fiber or commercial fiber.

It is a dense market, as there are 16 million people living there, and connectivity between cities is a lot easier to manage. For instance, the Dutch railway system connects pretty much every city that has more then 50.000 people, and many cities smaller then that, and telecom companies are allowed to use the state-owned rail property to connect cities to fiber networks. Along the railways, you will often find a concrete "canal" (compare it sorta to square sewerpipes that are a foot in diameter) with concrete covers every few kilometers or so which makes it very easy to add fiber lines between cities.

Many major telecom companies have datacenters not far from a railway line to tap into the big fiber rings going through the "randstad" area in western Holland.

Basically, due to existing infrastructure such as railways, government subsidies in the past, government allowing telcos to use the railway data-canals to cheaply add huge amounts of bandwidth to innner-city and inter-city networks, has made it a lot more affordable to connect big fat pipes to the common man.

The AMS-IX (Amsterdam Internet Exchange) is the largest internet hub of the world:

From wikipedia:
"As of September 11, 2008 AMS-IX connected 301 members on 562 ports[5] and the all time peak of incoming traffic was 444.725 Gbit/s and of outgoing traffic 442.073 Gbit/s.[6] This makes the Amsterdam Internet Exchange the largest internet exchange in the world, when measured by number of connected members and by internet traffic, before the Deutscher Commercial Internet Exchange[7] and the London Internet Exchange.[8]"

Here in the United States, telco companies have to pay for everything. They don't get government subsidies, they don't get to use the countries Amtrak infrastructure to deploy city-to-city fiber, and another big issue is the distance between cities here in the US. It is significantly more expensive to bring a big fat pipe to a city, and thus more expensive to bring it to homes.

Not true Verizon ran a fiberoptic cable from texas to Baltimore,MD using the Railroads. I no because my company gutted the building where the fiber was headed.

The same people who shilled for every single failed municipal broadband program in the USA will now shill for this one.

The only difference is fiber is a much greater and the taxpayers will be left holding a much bigger bag.

I'd counter with this is proof of what can be accomplished when the Muni's are left to plan and test their network rather than fight frivolous lawsuits and smear campaigns by the local ILECs and MSOs.

accomplished in a country like Holland. Holland is a very small county comparatively speaking. It would be more accurate to compare this to broadband roll out in the state of New Hampshire or Vermont.

I could only wish that broadband was rolled out to NH

you're right on that, but my point was to look at the enthusiastic deployment of higher technologies everywhere but here in the US. Getting the telcos/cablecos to do anything to advance the broadband market is like pulling teeth!

It's good to know that at least somewhere in the world people are actually trying to push technology to its limits.

Even though we have no use for 1gbps, it would be nice to know that an infrastructure could easily be upgraded to handle it.

The day I get moved off DOCSIS 1 will be a good day.

the connector for the houseboat fiber could possibly make it easier to bring fiber to other land applications. maybe even make FTTH installs easier and more efficent here on dry land.

At the moment I have to agree that no residence needs gigabit fiber (more connectivity than my whole school has!) but 100 Mbps would be nice, or even 50 Mbps (which is well within spec for 802.11n). Instead, we in the US are left with something generally less than one percent of those speeds. Lame.

hen WAN connectivity is limited by residential-grade LAN equipment, then we have progress

Not at my house! I got 2Gig links connecting a few things here.

pictures soon.

Just curious, what does one do with so much allotted bandwidth? Are they business class links?

These are "in house" connections. Like switch to server, pc to pc. I have the capacity, just not the WAN connections to support it.

ps, everything is gigabit in my house, just a few things are connected with 2gb/s links.

ah okay. that makes much more sense

It makes you wonder how long it will be until everything is wired with light in a household. toslink anyone?

I'd love to have everything in my household be gigabit... but really have nothing pushing me to do so, computers are barely capable of putting a huge, consistent strain on 100mbps. When media devices start being wired through my network, I might consider.

"The technical results are quite satisfying"

Guy could probably spend a night with JLO and Kardashian in the sack and say it was just ok.

Problem with the translation perhaps, if his native language is not English?

We need to have more websites that allow you to use those speeds. I have opt online boost at 30/5 and very rarely do i get a website that allows me to download at anything close to that.

That is what bittorrent if for

Multiple items downloading at the same time.

Like the dude said, the problem is in the technology which people own and are then expected to place on these networks. Most average users are not going to own a computer which is even nearly capable of downloading at even half of 1gbps, let alone the full 1gbps. On top of this, good switching/routing equipment which supports a real 1gbps (Note that many residential products have 1gbps support, but are incapable of actually providing those speeds) is still incredibly expensive. All the users clamoring for this type of speed need to realize that they would never be able to use it with their average home/office technology.

Nah, we need to only upgrade densely populated areas to this sorta speed and make sure that noone outta these zones receive these sorta benefits.. I mean if you have peace and quite why should you need high speed internet?

What? Hey, this is going on as is.... As in for bumping speeds up to freaking 1gbps? NO NO NO... Get EVERYONE at least a reasonable realistic landline base HSI connection first, then move on to this... Anything else is just imo a waste and a bigger E-Penis

Why not skip installing the slower connections (to the outer areas) and just install the faster ones to start with? Why install it twice?

For those that say home equipment cannot do GigE, think again. I do 10gb (in house) transfers every day at 100MB/s(limited by drive speeds). The drives (raid0) are several years old and I am sure if I replace them with faster (100MB/sec ea) drives I could go higher. My equipment is just a standard GigE switch and cat6 cable.

Because by the time they get ready to place the faster connections to the outter areas, something even faster will be developed and this same argument will once again be brought back to life.. At this rate, theres going to be a whole lotta people stranded with two options.. Dialup, and its life span is predicted to disappear sorta like how isdn has, and the ever so unpopular satellite internet... So, lets get to it!!

another reason why Amsterdam is awesome. . .

and to think im still on this at 34$/month with a 3GB download cap and now ppl are getting GB speeds in connectivity

still this so called "256kbps" connection is better than the 999ms lag 128kbps connection my country(Lebanon) still uses because not many wanna pay 90$ installation fee for DSL

can't wait to go back to Poland with a new 35-50mbps connection, but that's not untill next summer

hopefully Super speed Fiber optics services(1GB) will reach other parts of Europe...and maybe one day for U.S