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Frisco, TX | Re: Good for those who got the 3GS in 2009 I'm liking the sound of that, especially since I might be moving to an area where AT&T coverage is abysmal but Verizon's is excellent...
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Suffern, NY | Re: Good for those who got the 3GS in 2009 said by en102:Straight to T-Mobile Only if the new iPhone has a hardware update so it supports the T-Mobile 3G Frequency (which current iPhones do not). If you jailbreak any current iPhone so it can be used with a T-Mobile SIM (ie: On the T-Mobile Network), all you can currently do is use it as a Phone and do data via the slower (than 3G) EDGE network. While it supports EDGE (since the EDGE Frequency is the same on T-Mobile and AT&T), it does not support the T-Mobile 3G Network due to that network using a frequency different from that used by AT&T. | |
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Decatur, GA | Speculation Well, it makes sense that we won't see a VZW iPhone until next year when their LTE network is up and running. Why would Apple create another production line of CDMA/EVDO iPhones just for VZW? Doesn't make sense.. especially when they could wait until next year and create LTE phones that work across all carriers that are moving that direction.
My point? I don't think AT&T had to make some background deal to keep the iPhone, this late in the game, it just makes sense. As for the iPad, like AT&T or not, its a pretty good deal considering there is no contract and Apple would've probably been hard pressed to convince another carrier to pony up something similar. For AT&T, it makes sense, its keeping the "hot" product associated with them.
In general (and I've always thought this), I think that VZW made a high level strategic move years ago in not taking on the iPhone that has come back to bite them, their recent earnings woes highlight this.
Like AT&T or not, their choice to get the iPhone (at whatever additional $$) has worked out well for them in the long run, so I imagine giving Apple a deal that may not be the greatest, was an easy choice. Just my humble opinion. | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Speculation Part of the problem is that Voice is not on the EvDo portion of any cdma carrier, it's 1xRTT, then you require 2 radios to support the cdma side, and 4 radios to handle GSM, technically 5 because of AT&T being out of sync with the rest of the GSM users in the world.
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kudos:1 | Re: Speculation I disagree. Protocol wise EVDO has nothing to do with 1X, but both are still CDMA modulation, same exact electronics, different bitstream. So for a chip to do 1X or EVDO is just firmware code being run (unless its hardcoded).
HSDPA/WCDMA requires different electronics because its CDMA modulation is different from 1X/EVDOs (5 mhz vs 1.5 mhz, channel widths are electronics, not firmware).
GSM family you have TDMA and WCDMA modulatiom, frequencies support is a couple extra tiny parts hanging off the radio chip. So GSM is actually worse than CDMA family when it comes to chip complexity. | |
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San Jose, CA | Why would Apple create another production line? There will be a day when the AT&T iphone market is saturated. It's not a matter of why, but it's a matter of when. When that happens, it's too late to start another production line. | |
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kudos:1 | said by warriors:Why would Apple create another production line? There will be a day when the AT&T iphone market is saturated. It's not a matter of why, but it's a matter of when. When that happens, it's too late to start another production line. Discontinue software support and remote terminate old iphones once they become unsupported for "security reasons". | |
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And it makes sense as there is no way Verizon could have a stable voice network at the same level of service as CDMA for at least another 5 years. | |
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Valencia, CA | I tend to agree.
Until there's an LTE/WiMAX, or complete overhaul of the iPhone 'hardware', with radios, there's no sense in assembling a CDMA only device for VZW.
CDMA 1x/EVDO globally: 522,155,000 (source cdg.org)
GSM/UMTS: 4,351,833,712 (source gsmworld.com)
GSM/UMTS growth: 466,000,000 /year (souce: 3gamericas.org)
Which would you put your money behind ?
Also, with VZW migrating to LTE (as with AT&T, T-Mobile, and most other carriers) in the long term, there's no incentive to invest in something that the carrier is planning to move away from. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by bdon78: Why would Apple create another production line of CDMA/EVDO iPhones just for VZW? Doesn't make sense.. especially when they could wait until next year and create LTE phones that work across all carriers that are moving that direction. The same reason RIM makes a phone for every carrier.. why HTC makes various phones for a variety of carriers.. and so on.. it's so they can reach a larger group of customers.
What *I* don't understand is why there is a regular thought of mind out there that would think that apple is any different with the iPhone in making a few versions of it, while other makers do it all the time.
I never seem to hear that question asked about BlackBerry, HTC, Motorola, etc... so far, Moto had the razr available for CDMA and GSM..
but anyway... no one knows what apple will ever do... until they create a media mess before a product launch that is.  | |
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| | Hard-on for Verizon iPhone An iPhone on Verizon's network would be crippled. No data/voice at the same time which many of us use all the time. Also why would they go through all the expense of a new phone for 1 carrier?
iPhone on Verizon makes no sense at this time.
Those with this hard-on for a Verizon iPhone need to get a grip. | |
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Satellite Beach, FL | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone I agree, especially with the Driod and the like.
But there is the large customer base, which include a lot of Apple fanboys,
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|  amarryatVerizon FiOS
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| said by itguy05:An iPhone on Verizon's network would be crippled. No data/voice at the same time which many of us use all the time. Also why would they go through all the expense of a new phone for 1 carrier? iPhone on Verizon makes no sense at this time. Those with this hard-on for a Verizon iPhone need to get a grip. Do you really use data and voice at the same time? Is it that important? And the only time data and voice work simultaneously on ATT is when you are in one of their 3G areas anyway. | |
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| | | | said by amarryat:said by itguy05:Those with this hard-on for a Verizon iPhone need to get a grip. Do you really use data and voice at the same time? Is it that important? And the only time data and voice work simultaneously on ATT is when you are in one of their 3G areas anyway. True. Even though CDMA will be around for a while, with Verizon LTE and Sprint WiMAX, you will be able to do voice/data at same time just as you can do WiFi today with CDMA call. LTE/WiMAX coverage may be limited for a while but so is ATTs 3G. | |
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Warner Robins, GA | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone I bet AT&T's 3G network is bigger than the Verizon LTE network for the next 2-3 years at least. New networks just don't spring up overnight and there must be a significant amount of work at each power they add LTE to right? | |
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united state | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone Correct. VZW is predicting 65% LTE coverage by 2012..its not a fast process
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| Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone said by Qumahlin:Correct. VZW is predicting 65% LTE coverage by 2012..its not a fast process If Verizon makes 65% of their 3G network into LTE by 2012, wouldn't that far exceed AT&T's 3G network?
Currently AT&T's 3G network is far smaller than 65% the area of Verizons. | |
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[/BQUOTE :Yes I do and quite frequently. It's nice to be able to look something up for someone while on a call (I do a lot of conference calls) or research something while on said conference call. And I'm very rarely out of an AT&T 3G area contrary to Verizon's brainwashing. | |
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| said by amarryat:said by itguy05:An iPhone on Verizon's network would be crippled. No data/voice at the same time which many of us use all the time. Also why would they go through all the expense of a new phone for 1 carrier? iPhone on Verizon makes no sense at this time. Those with this hard-on for a Verizon iPhone need to get a grip. Do you really use data and voice at the same time? Is it that important? And the only time data and voice work simultaneously on ATT is when you are in one of their 3G areas anyway. Actually I do, and it is great especially when on Bluetooth through the car.
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| said by amarryat:said by itguy05:An iPhone on Verizon's network would be crippled. No data/voice at the same time which many of us use all the time. Also why would they go through all the expense of a new phone for 1 carrier? iPhone on Verizon makes no sense at this time. Those with this hard-on for a Verizon iPhone need to get a grip. Do you really use data and voice at the same time? Is it that important? And the only time data and voice work simultaneously on ATT is when you are in one of their 3G areas anyway. not sure where you are but the east coast seems pretty well 3g'ed up. and yes it is a nice feature to be able to talk to a friend and surf the net or get directions and talk them through.
Me i haven't had any major problems with my IPhone yet on ATT, maybe I'm lucky or just live in an unsaturated area. Was with Cingular back in the day before ATT bought them out and have always been satisfied. won't switch. If Verizion does pull off an exclusive contract just wait it will be the same in the major cities. | |
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kudos:1 | Being able to expire where the hell I'm going with Google maps without interruption because someone called me.
Digging up information from an email that is not presently on the phone for someone whose called me.
The most important, taking a booking call and checking an online calendar to make sure the room they need is available at the time they need it without having to hang up on them.
This argument is archaic . We went through this ten years ago. Do you really need Dsl instead of dialup? Why do you need the phone and the internet at the same time?
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| Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone said by thender:Being able to expire where the hell I'm going with Google maps without interruption because someone called me. Digging up information from an email that is not presently on the phone for someone whose called me. The most important, taking a booking call and checking an online calendar to make sure the room they need is available at the time they need it without having to hang up on them. This argument is archaic . We went through this ten years ago. Do you really need Dsl instead of dialup? Why do you need the phone and the internet at the same time? I have never thought to myself that it would be very convenient to be able to use my cell phone for voice and data at the same time. Now that I have an Android phone with wifi, I can, and I still don't. I usually like to pay attention to the person I am talking with. | |
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2 edits | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone Yet another lame & snarky argument for curtailing new technology!
One example from the other day. I'm on a call with someone who wants to book studio time.
One must walk up from the street back to the studio to check the computer's google calendar to see if the time is available and enter it. Calls get forwarded to one's cellphone when people leave or take breaks.
With data and phone at the same time, you are able to pay MORE attention to the person calling. You can instantly see if you can accommodate him with a much shorter hold time since the info is available right on your device.
There will only be more examples as people figure out new ways to utilize simultaneous data/voice.
Or I'm on the phone with someone who is lost. I can ask them if they see an address, then enter it into google maps, ask where they're going, and get them directions instead of calling them back later.
What the technophobes and trolls who stick their nose up as they go "I actually PAY ATTENTION to who _I_ talk to" fail to realize is that simultaneous data & voice is for more than reading blogs and browsing facebook while on the phone with someone.
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone If you'd like, I can create an online site that allows your customers to be able to book studio time over the Internet with a computer or smartphone. We could even sync an automated scheduling agent to your phone system so that there wouldn't be a need to keep a staff of employees that seem to take a lot of breaks while wasting time and resources that could be used elsewhere. Unless the company is run by technophobes. People have to call in and speak to a person just to schedule some studio time? How 1990's. | |
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4 edits | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone someone who has clearly has never worked at a recording or broadcast facility in their lifetime. Customers should not be able to book themselves without talking to someone competent to assess their needs & ask questions so there's a proper setup when they get there. The troll & wiseass value of this statement outweighed by the laughable ignorance of the suggestion. Please don't talk about what you have no clue on.
This is becoming a far cry from the original point: there are many uses for data and phone other than reading blogs and news while speaking to someone. Many, many, many uses. It is ridiculous to throw it all under the rug for the sake of trolling.
It's like people who said "why browse the internet while on the phone, how about pay attention to who you're speaking to" fifteen years ago when DSL became affordable with more widespread availability. Those statements are so ridiculous now.
Advancements in technology will occur whether or not shortsighted people can't see their usefulness.
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone Clearly there are many alternative methods available that makes this unnecessary for many, many cell phone users, otherwise we would all have AT&T or T-Mobile. It's simply not as critical a need as you make it out to be. It's your solution. You find it to be indispensable. Great. A lot of people never give it a thought.
You are in a fairly unique situation and many of us simply cannot relate to it. It's just not very common to have to use voice and data at the same time for a lot of people, even for those that can do it.
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3 edits | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone said by jmn1207:You are in a fairly unique situation and many of us simply cannot relate to it. It's just not very common to have to use voice and data at the same time for a lot of people, even for those that can do it. I have no problem with someone saying "I do not need that at this time"
I do take issue with people saying "_I_, for one, actually PAY ATTENTION to who _I_ talk to on the phone." These people are not making a statement, they're using the advance in technology as a platform for their sanctimonious "I'm better than you" bullshit statements.
You can showcase all of the ways around requiring data/voice at the same time, but that's beside the point.
I'm not saying that simutaneous data and voice is the only way to get something done. I'm saying it's bullshit to ignore all of the potential benefits of a technology, to point out one of its most superficial uses to advance self serving egotistical malarky.
Like the people when those tom tom GPS became popular who'd go "I actually make an effort to KNOW where I'm going BEFORE I get there! Please pat me on the head for being such a thorough & responsible individual, please!!"
Please!
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Ashburn, VA | If the boss is trying to save money by hiring a minimum number of employees and keeping them on the clock when they are away at lunch, we could very easily configure an automated phone system to ask smart questions to be able to assess the customer's needs. It's being done now with very complex environments, and the last option would be to speak with a person.
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2 edits | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone said by jmn1207 the last option would be to speak with a person.
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There is not a single good recording studio I can think of in a 200 mile radius that allows one to make a first time booking, much less any booking, without speaking to someone. There are many many many times it is not practical to not have one speak to a human being while completing a transaction. A smart phone system for this is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. Many businesses do require you speak to a person.
It's not like scheduling a FIOS install.
But that's beside the point.
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1 edit | said by thender:One example from the other day. I'm on a call with someone who wants to book studio time. You can instantly see if you can accommodate him with a much shorter hold time since the info is available right on your device. How incredibly unprofessional and amateurish your customers must think you are if you say hang on while I fumble with my phone to check dates. | |
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4 edits | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone I'm not you, I wouldn't say "hang on while I fumble with my phone to check dates."
I'd say, "Sure, let me check that for you"
9 seconds later
"7 isn't available in that room with X piece there, can you do 8?"
Nice to see you're continuing your tradition of being an presumptuous douche. 
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| Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone said by thender:I'm not you, I wouldn't say "hang on while I fumble with my phone to check dates." I'd say, "Sure, let me check that for you" 9 seconds later "7 isn't available in that room with X piece there, can you do 8?" Nice to see you're continuing your tradition of being an presumptuous douche. 9 seconds later while your potential customer listens to the wind howling through the microphone. Very professional. Maybe your customers like to hear you while you are on the golf course, but I wouldn't want to be setting up something important with someone who was busy doing something else. | |
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2 edits | Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone You'd never know. You can't hear the wind in my phone, and if you're like this in real life you would not be worth the hassle for the $$.
It's useful. Why walk back to a computer to view the calendar if you can see it on the phone just as fast?
This feature does nothing but open doors and add flexibility to the ways one can do something. Why are you so against that? You are coming up with excuse after excuse bashing the ideas that come out of having mobile voice/data at the same time, while not getting that having it is better than not having it. It adds flexibility.
You're trying to come back from an ignorant implication that simultaneous voice/data is something that only has the negative application of ignoring the other person, while in reality it's something that allows one to pay more attention to and better service the person on the other end. Just give up!
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| Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone said by thender:You're trying to come back from an ignorant implication that simultaneous voice/data is something that only has the negative application of ignoring the other person, while in reality it's something that allows one to pay more attention to and better service the person on the other end. Just give up! No I'm not. I just think that AT&T's ad is playing up something that isn't very important. Like i said, I can do both now but I don't. And AT&T has 1/5 the 3G coverage of VZW (geographically), so in most areas, you can't do both either. | |
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Ashburn, VA | said by itguy05:An iPhone on Verizon's network would be crippled. No data/voice at the same time which many of us use all the time. Also why would they go through all the expense of a new phone for 1 carrier? iPhone on Verizon makes no sense at this time. Those with this hard-on for a Verizon iPhone need to get a grip. Well, if nobody at Verizon currently uses data and voice at the same time, this wouldn't change for the millions of current Verizon and Sprint users that would easily make this sacrifice to avoid dealing with AT&T. Besides, the newest Android phones coming out are capable of multitasking, and it has been reported by HTC that their phones are able to do simultaneous voice and data through a third-party VOIP solution. When using WiFi for data, you would also be able use voice simultaneously.
People still use voice service?
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| Re: Hard-on for Verizon iPhone said by sfbayblogger :
Many people including myself are waiting for the iphone to become available on another carrier aside from At&T. By the way, I am in the SF Bay area and coverage sucks!
My wife would get one in a second if it became available on VZW.
No way we're switching to AT&T - we know too many people with dropped calls. And talking to them is tough on the phone because the sound isn't very good. | |
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| | That sucks God, lets hope this isn't the case.
I've been so sick of AT&T since buying my iPhone. Talks of the phone still being on AT&T when my contract is up this June makes me cringe. I might have to just buy a pay-as-you-go phone somewhere until it's released on Verizon. As it stands right now, it's a really great phone but on a terrible cellular network. | |
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Decatur, GA | Re: That sucks If you love the phone but hate AT&T so much, switch to Tmobile, get it unlocked and live with using it on the EDGE speed network...you wouldn't be alone.
That or move to Atlanta, that's where I am and AT&T service here is just fine.
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kudos:1 | Re: That sucks said by bdon78:If you love the phone but hate AT&T so much, switch to Tmobile, get it unlocked and live with using it on the EDGE speed network...you wouldn't be alone. No, you are not--I and a half a million others will be there with you. I love my iPhone and T-Mobile is very reliable in Southern CA. AT&T is little better than tin cans and a string in Los Angeles. I dont experience the dropped calls and other issues that people complain about with AT&T. I see people blame the iPhone--but it is NOT the phone. If it were, I would have those issues, too. And EDGE works fine for mapquest, facebook and email. I guess video might not be that great, but that is why God invented WiFi. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Verizon Doesn't Want It If Verizon really wanted the iPhone it could make a play to Apple to get it.
I think Verizon doesn't want the extra traffic that comes from iPhone users, and similarly doesn't want all the egg in its face that AT&T has had to endure because of all the problems with the iPhone.
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Decatur, GA | So I'll agree and disagree.
I agree that Verizon would be concerned with the increased traffic on their network. Just having a bigger "map", doesn't mean having the backhaul capabilities to handle an increase of data usage by 5,000% (not a typo) that AT&T saw after the introduction of the iPhone. That being said, they have to be kicking themselves for not signing on to this deal back when it was offered to them.
As for "if they really wanted it, they could make a play for it", I actually disagree here. I think its way past that, at least for the foreseeable future. Best case scenario? (my opinion), 4Q 2011, LTE data / EVDO voice. | |
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| said by pnh102:If Verizon really wanted the iPhone it could make a play to Apple to get it. I think Verizon doesn't want the extra traffic that comes from iPhone users, and similarly doesn't want all the egg in its face that AT&T has had to endure because of all the problems with the iPhone. I too have heard that iPhone users are more data hungry than other smartphone users. But if that's true, why did both Verizon and Sprint carry more data over their networks last year than AT&T, and they did so without all the horror stories. | |
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Harvard, IL | Re: Best iPhone alternative on VZN network ? said by DixieWins:What is the best iPhone alternative from Verizon Wireless ? Want the full unlimited calling, texting, data package. Thx I personally, again, personally went for the Moto Droid. I have been using/supporting apple products since 1999. I worked for a major Apple upgrade reseller for 4 years supporting macs. Have a couple macs I use at home as well as an assortment of iPods. But no way can I allow myself to get on the AT&T network. My current company used AT&T for their cell company, I was given a windows based mobile phone when we started. Had all sorts of issues, dropped calls, slow data, and could not get coverage in the various cities I traveled to for my job. Not to mention the corporate night mare they had with billing, etc. Needless to say, we dropped them after 2 years. Some of the execs now have iPhones (status?), but the last I heard, they were looking for the range extender device for the exec offices.
Anyway, I used my ipod touch for over a year, to somewhat have that iphone experience. After much research, I upgraded to a moto droid. I have had no issues duplicating the major programs I used, free GPS, very cool apps, use GPS, listen to MP3's and check mail at the same time. Kinda nice. Yea, so I cant surf porn and make a 900 call at the same time. I got over it quick. A month into it, no regrets at all. I did it as a band aid until the iPhone, now honestly, I dont know if I will actually switch unless the deal was a very good deal!. Again, my personal opinion. | |
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|  AlcoholPremium
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Climax, MI
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| said by DixieWins:What is the best iPhone alternative from Verizon Wireless ? Want the full unlimited calling, texting, data package. Thx HTC incredible. Not an alternative but a superior phone.
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join:2004-08-02
Fort Washington, MD
1 edit | No Iphone for Verizon ever Verizon is only interested if they get the lions share of revenue out of the deal.
Thats why Verizon turned down the iphone when they got the offer to support it prior to ATT.
Verizon was never really in the game, Apple only spoke to Verizon and made it public as leverage in ATT deal renewal / extension.
There will be another ATT contract extension in 6 months. ATT is doing what they should, Verizon is playing the usual bellhead role and is missing opportunity again. | |
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|  aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
1 edit | Re: No iPhone for Verizon ever And as long as the iPhone stays exclusive to ATT, I will never consider getting one. If/when it comes to Verizon, only then will I consider buying one. | |
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|  atuarreHere come the drumsPremium
join:2004-02-14
College Station, TX | Re: No Iphone for Verizon ever said by kmb40:Verizon is only interested if they get the lions share of revenue out of the deal. Thats why Verizon turned down the iphone when they got the offer to support it prior to ATT. Verizon was never really in the game, Apple only spoke to Verizon and made it public as leverage in ATT deal renewal / extension. There will be another ATT contract extension in 6 months. ATT is doing what they should, Verizon is playing the usual bellhead role and is missing opportunity again. No. Verizon did not want to be screwed like AT&T is being screwed. AT&T is paying for the handsets and is giving Apple a chunk of their wireless revenue which is ridiculous.
Verizon did not want to share their wireless revenue and that is probably the reason why they opted not to agree to the Apple deal, plus Apple would have still had to design an entirely different version of the phone for GSM carriers in Europe and parts of Asia (although there are CDMA carriers in other parts of Asia).
I would not really be surprised if Apple shopped all the wireless carriers, and AT&T was the only one to really agree to the whole revenue sharing scheme. You weren't in the room when deals were being negotiated so you really do not know what was going on because Apple is so damned secretive. | |
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join:2004-08-02
Fort Washington, MD | Re: No Iphone for Verizon ever ATT is screwed because they have added millions of subscribers to their cellular network because of this 1 device? Dont think so. You have it backwards. Apple should get what they can out of the deal.
They produced the device. If telco's could think beyond the network and innovate, Apples iphone would mean nothing but they cant and so they use the deep pockets to purchase business. Classic telco model.
How do you know whether I was in the room or not? This is the internets, you never know. | |
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| | | atuarreHere come the drumsPremium
join:2004-02-14
College Station, TX | Re: No Iphone for Verizon ever said by kmb40:ATT is screwed because they have added millions of subscribers to their cellular network because of this 1 device? Dont think so. You have it backwards. Apple should get what they can out of the deal. They produced the device. If telco's could think beyond the network and innovate, Apples iphone would mean nothing but they cant and so they use the deep pockets to purchase business. Classic telco model. How do you know whether I was in the room or not? This is the internets, you never know. Yeah, okay. If there was any negotiation of giving percentages of revenue to Apple, you know senior members of ATTs executive management team were involved in those meetings and I doubt very seriously that anything was leaked from said meetings. | |
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| | DROID is KING I prefer the HTC Droid over the Iphone anyday. I myself have a HTC Incredible and my wife has the Eris. It's MUCH better and faster than the Iphone | |
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| | | Re: DROID is KING said by ForgetIphone :
I prefer the HTC Droid over the Iphone anyday. I myself have a HTC Incredible and my wife has the Eris. It's MUCH better and faster than the Iphone
You are such a Fandroid
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|  koolman2Premium
join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK | HTC Droid? lol | |
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| | iPhone is king Yeah, yeah, so the new droid is a little faster and larger screen hmm... hmm... yawn. Wait till the next Iphone. Droid phones will be yesterday... Again. | |
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| | IPHONE for life Jailbrake Iphone blows droid out of the water. Iphones software updates and big hardware changes coming (4g) it will be around for quite awhile. I don't see it getting saturated..... and how can you compare it to the razor? the razor had like one update and it was the camera and it took video. after 3 years the razor was still being produced without any changes.where the orignal iphone is still a very good and relevant phone. | |
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| | | Re: IPHONE for life said by joey biglots :
Jailbrake Iphone blows droid out of the water. Iphones software updates and big hardware changes coming (4g) it will be around for quite awhile. I don't see it getting saturated..... and how can you compare it to the razor? the razor had like one update and it was the camera and it took video. after 3 years the razor was still being produced without any changes.where the orignal iphone is still a very good and relevant phone.
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Compare the specs lol, iphone has been trash for years | |
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 jnc2000Premium
join:2003-08-05
East Palestine, OH
1 edit | LTE-HRPD LTE will hand down to EVDO
»www.3gpp2.org/public_html/specs/···0122.pdf
VZW's LTE network will do DATA (through EPC core) and when out of an LTE area do a proper EVDO hand down.
Also, for the record voice is primary packet switched now anyways. Implementing voice and doing proper soft handoffs on LTE be any problem.
Acme Packet makes some great gear. Many carriers have been using them for quite some time. SIP + EPC = and you'll get the picture. | |
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Pointe-Claire, QC
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| iPhoNe gfenerated bad publicity for AT&T Lets not forget that Verizon gets to poke a lot fo fun at all of the congestion stories caused by all those iphone users on AT&T.
If Verizon gets the iphone, it stands to get the same types of problems/stories and it would represent bad publicity and end Verizon's ability to poke fun at AT&T's problems.
The problem with CDMA is that it has already lost a number of major networks who have migrated to GSM/HSPA.
It is more likely that the iphone will be on tmobile, and other gsm networks in the USA. Apple may not be interested in starying to pay huge royalties to Qualcom for the right to build CDMA phones.
Blackberries are on CDMA because at the time the blackberries came out, there were more than juust sprint and verizon CDMA networks so the initial costs to setup CDMA relationship with Qualcom are already paid.
More and more of the newer/cool phones are on GSM only.
Also, since Apple releases new iphones in june, I woudl think june 2011 would be when the LTE version with fall back to 3G GSM woudl come out.
GSM lacked integration with the old AMPS networks. Only a few phones had that capability and it was a hack. (CDMA and TDMA had been designed to interface with the older north american networks that were mostly analogue AMPS).
If LTE has fallback to GSM but not to CDMA, trhen it woudln't make much sense to build a CDMA phone. | |
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| | I hope not A friend of mine who works at verizon has 4 hour training at the end of this month and they haven't said what its over. He hopes its iphone because they know its over a product and its rare that training is over an hour for new phones.
He doesn't know anything other than he has 4 hour training and he has worked there two years and never had device training that was over an hour. | |
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| | | Re: I hope not said by corinthos:A friend of mine who works at verizon has 4 hour training at the end of this month and they haven't said what its over. He hopes its iphone because they know its over a product and its rare that training is over an hour for new phones. Probably just a class on studying maps, and LTE talking points...
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